Reflections on Church and State

The audio recording titled "Reflections on Church and State (Auckland) - Marriage Equality" documented a crucial discussion on marriage equality, recorded at St. Matthew-in-the-City in Auckland on November 22, 2012. The event featured key speakers, including advocacy director of the LGBT Programme under Human Rights Watch, Boris Dittrich, and Louisa Wall, an elected member of the New Zealand Parliament. The speakers explored the relationship between the church and the state and the progression towards marriage equality.

The opening speaker highlighted the church's historical support for the LGBTQ community and the belief in the separation of church and state. This support encompasses the protection of both institutions from each other's abuses and the promotion of true freedom of religion. The speaker dispelled the myth that ministers or celebrants would be forced to conduct same-sex marriages under the proposed Marriage Equality Act. The speaker also reflected on the evolution of the understanding of marriage within the Anglican tradition, evolving from a procreational focus to acknowledging loving commitment.

Boris Dittrich shared personal anecdotes linking their early life experiences to their advocacy work for marriage equality. Dittrich recounted the journey of introducing marriage equality to the Netherlands and the intense debates and emotional responses that proposal elicited from various religious communities. Despite receiving death threats and facing staunch opposition, Dittrich emphasized that no church or religious institution was forced to conduct same-sex marriages. Following the passage of the act, a societal shift occurred where initial fears and concerns dissolved, proving groundless the dire predictions of opponents.

Louisa Wall provided a New Zealand context, discussing the historical journey from the decriminalization of homosexuality to the debate around the current state of marriage and civil unions. Wall underscored the importance of recognizing non-discrimination and equality as foundational principles in the marriage equality discourse. Wall clarified that the bill seeks not to force any religious celebrant to perform a marriage against their beliefs but to eliminate discrimination in civil marriage, allowing choice for all celebrants.

The session involved a comprehensive Q&A, addressing the role of civil union celebrants, protections for religious institutions, and the international implications of marriage equality, such as laws in countries like Uganda. The myth of adverse effects on children raised in same-sex families was also debunked with evidence pointing to the importance of family functioning over family form. Wall and Dittrich's personal commitments to advancing human rights were celebrated by the audience.

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