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Spencer(October 2013)

In this podcast Spencer talks about identifying as butch and gender queer.

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In the podcast titled "Spencer - South," recorded on October 5, 2013, in Nelson, Aotearoa New Zealand, the individual named Spencer discusses their experience with gender identity, focusing on the concepts of being butch and genderqueer. Within the roughly 29-minute audio, Spencer expounds on the sense of belonging and dissonance encountered while navigating various social environments.

Spencer emphasizes that "butch" is not merely an adjective to describe a certain type of lesbian, but an identity in its own right. This distinction is clarified by negating the notion that Spencer is a "butch lesbian,” instead asserting an independent butch identity. This clarification often needs to be addressed in dialogues outside the queer community, where Spencer notes that others may not grasp the nuances of such gender identities. Spencer shares a personal journey through reading pivotal literary works such as "Persistence: All Ways Butch and Femme" and "Butch is a Noun" by S. Bear Bergman, which played significant roles in shaping and affirming their understanding of what it means to be butch.

Addressing family reactions, Spencer relays a story about getting their mother to read influential texts about butch identity—this changed their mother's perspective on the term. Spencer also parallels the sense of relief and righteousness after self-identifying as butch to the satisfaction of quenching severe thirst, illustrating the profound personal significance of this revelation.

The narrative continues with Spencer's struggles against societal expectations, particularly during school years at an all-girls institution, where adherence to traditional femininity was enforced through dress codes and concepts of "ladylike" behavior. Spencer recalls the dissonance felt when being complimented on increased conformity to female stereotypes or dealing with romantic remarks contextualized around being male. These experiences highlight the complicated interplay between external perceptions and inner identity.

Moreover, Spencer reflects on the role of masculinity and butch identity with respect to embracing and safeguarding space for femininity, underlining the importance of not allowing assertive masculinity to undermine or demean femininity. They express concern about not wanting to overpower or overshadow feminine voices within the queer community.

Spencer further recounts finding solace and validation in queer-focused spaces like Q Youth in Nelson and discusses the stark contrast between the inclusive atmosphere of such communities and the broader societal landscape often marked by harassment and lack of understanding. Key events and groups like QSA (Queer Straight Alliance) meetings at educational institutions offered an avenue to navigate and express gender identity in a supportive environment, but also reveal Spencer’s inclination towards meaningful engagement over casual socializing.

The podcast closes with discussions on broader issues affecting the queer community in Aotearoa New Zealand, such as the need for better representation in media and education. It highlights the importance of recognizing the diversity of queer identities beyond binary categories and the necessity for broader societal awareness and support for mental health among queer youth.

The abstracted account sums up a personal narrative that delves into the complex, often challenging experiences of gender discovery and self-actualization. It stresses the need for societal attention towards inclusivity, especially in media representation and supports for the mental health of queer individuals.

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Record date:5th October 2013
Interviewer:Tabby Besley
Location:Nelson, Aotearoa New Zealand
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Archive:The master recording is archived at the Alexander Turnbull Library (OHDL-004262).
URL:https://www.pridenz.com/south_spencer.html