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Second reading debate

Audio from parts of the debate during the second reading of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill, 23 October 1985 (part 2 of 2).

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Details

A more detailed log of this recording is available on the LAGANZ website, see pages 0219-AB and 0220-A.

  • 0:00:10- John Falloon   (Pahiatua, National Party)
  • 0:12:20 - David Butcher   (Hastings, Labour Party)
  • 0:21:20 - [recording stops abruptly]
  • 0:25:40 - [recording stops abruptly]
  • 0:27:30 - Jim Bolger   (King Country, National Party)
  • 0:41:54 - Fred Gerbic   (Onehunga, Labour Party)
  • 0:53:40 - Bill Sutton   (Hawkes Bay, Labour Party)
  • 0:55:25 - [cassette ends; recording stops abruptly]
  • 1:08:40 - Derek Angus   (Wallace, National Party)

Summary

The recording from 23 October 1985 is a documentation of the second reading debate on the Homosexual Law Reform Bill in the Parliament of New Zealand located in Wellington. The debate features prominent parliamentary figures such as Bill Sutton, David Butcher, Derek Angus, Fred Gerbic, Jim Bolger, and John Falloon. The audio captures a rigorous debate over the moral, legal, and societal implications of decriminalizing homosexual acts, particularly concerning the age of consent and the associated human rights issues.

Throughout the debate, various opinions and personal experiences are shared to support the positions of the members of Parliament. Some parliamentarians express concerns about the societal readiness to accept homosexuality as normal behavior, while others emphasize the necessity to decriminalize it to uphold human dignity and combat discrimination. The discussion touches upon the repercussions of the bill on family structures, the teaching workforce, and the vulnerability of young individuals to potential indoctrination by homosexual educators.

Additionally, the debate provides diverse views regarding the extent of discrimination faced by homosexuals in sectors such as housing and employment. Some members advocate that homosexuals do not face significant discrimination to require legal protection, while others cite evidence from their personal encounters with homosexuals that highlights the injustices and challenges faced by the community.

Members advocating against the bill voice concerns that passing the legislation would break down traditional family structures and morally acceptable behavior. The debates touch upon the emergence of AIDS, with some members arguing that legalizing homosexual activities could exacerbate the health crisis, while others argue against this logic, stating the lack of evidence supporting such claims.

The backdrop of the debate is underscored by the presentation of a petition against the bill, characterized as the largest in the history of New Zealand's parliamentary system. The recording highlights the conflicting societal perspectives on homosexuality and its decriminalization, reflecting a period of intense sociopolitical introspection and division.

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Record date:23rd October 1985
Audio courtesy of:Lesbian and Gay Archives of New Zealand (LAGANZ)
Location:Parliament buildings, Wellington
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URL:https://www.pridenz.com/homosexual_law_reform_parliament_23_october_1985_part_2.html