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Second reading debate

Audio from parts of the debate during the second reading of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill, 16 October 1985 (part 1 of 2).

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A more detailed log of this recording is available on the LAGANZ website, see pages 0215-A, 0215-B, 0216-A and 0216-B.

  • 0:00:12 - Bruce Townshend   (Kaimai, National Party)
  • 0:05:55 - Trevor de Cleene   (Palmerston North, Labour Party)
  • 0:23:55 - Philip Burdon   (Fendalton, National Party)
  • 0:31:14 - Judy Keall   (Glenfield, Labour Party)
  • 0:47:52 - Phil Goff   (Roskill, Labour Party)
  • 1:03:20 - Helen Clark   (Mt Albert, Labour Party)
  • 1:21:52 - Rex Austin   (Awarua, National Party)
  • 1:37:37 - Noel Scott   (Tongariro, Labour Party)
  • 1:56:50 - [cassette ends; recording stops abruptly]
  • 1:56:52 - Noel Scott continues

Summary

This summary outlines key elements of a 1985 recording from the New Zealand Parliament buildings in Wellington. The recording captures parts of the debate over the second reading of the Homosexual Law Reform Bill on October 16, 1985. It includes contributions from various Parliament members: Bruce Townshend, Helen Clark, Judy Keall, Noel Scott, Phil Goff, Philip Burdon, Rex Austin, and Trevor de Cleene. Despite their correct spelling, some names may appear incorrectly in the document.

The bill in question sought to decriminalize homosexual acts between consenting adults and address discrimination based on sexual orientation. The debate reflects a contentious period in New Zealand's social history, with arguments considering morality, human rights, and the impact of such a law on society.

Some speakers observed the possibility of a dynamic shift in society’s attitudes towards homosexuality if the bill passed, warning against promoting lifestyles contrary to Christian values and societal norms. Concerns centered on protecting the youth and upholding what was deemed as traditional family structures, with some advocating for a higher age of consent, emphasizing the varied maturity rates between genders.

Other members, however, argued for the bill’s passage. They emphasized the human rights perspective, asserting that individuals should not be criminalized for private, consensual acts. They pointed out the inconsistency of penalizing homosexual behavior while more dangerous heterosexual misconduct goes unchecked.

An essential side of the argument highlighted the historical criminalization and persecution of homosexuals, indicating a need to reform outdated laws. The bill was perceived as an opportunity to reflect the nation’s maturity and tolerance by removing criminal sanctions against homosexuality and ensuring protection against discrimination for all citizens.

The recording paints a picture of a deeply divided Parliament and society, grappling with the moral and legal implications of homosexual acts and the recognition of equal rights. The content underlines the significance of the bill, not only in legal terms but also as a societal acknowledgement of diversity in sexual orientation.

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Record date:16th October 1985
Audio courtesy of:Lesbian and Gay Archives of New Zealand (LAGANZ)
Location:Parliament buildings, Wellington
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URL:https://www.pridenz.com/homosexual_law_reform_parliament_16_october_1985_part_1.html