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Audio from parts of the Committee of the Whole House during the Homosexual Law Reform Bill, 9 April 1986 (part 1 of 2). This recording contains debate on Part 2 of the Bill which provides anti-discrimination provisions.

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A more detailed log of this recording is available on the LAGANZ website, see pages 0236-A, 0237-A and 0237-B.

  • 0:00:10 - Merv Wellington   (Papakura, National Party)
  • 0:06:25 - Various points of order and debate
  • 0:24:32 - Norman Jones   (Invercargill, National Party)
  • 0:29:56 - Fran Wilde   (Wellington Central, Labour Party)
  • 0:32:40 - [recording stops abruptly]
  • 0:32:50 - Various points of order and debate on whether this is an appropriation bill (i.e. a bill granting authority to spend public money)
  • 1:31:04 - Fran Wilde continues
  • 1:35:46 - Norman Jones   (Invercargill, National Party)
  • 1:45:44 - Geoff Braybrooke   (Napier, Labour Party)
  • 1:51:05 - John Banks   (Whangarei, National Party)
  • 1:56:07 - Richard Northey   (Eden, Labour Party)
  • 2:00:47 - Whetu Tirikatene Sullivan   (Southern Maori, Labour Party)
  • 2:12:16 - Robert Muldoon   (Tamaki, National Party)
  • 2:17:20 - Bill Sutton   (Hawkes Bay, Labour Party)


The audio recording titled "Parliament: Committee of the Whole House - Homosexual Law Reform Bill (9 April 1986) - part 1" provides an extensive debate on Part 2 of the Bill which deals with anti-discrimination provisions. Members of Parliament engaged in the discussion include Bill Sutton, Fran Wilde, Geoff Braybrooke, John Banks, Merv Wellington, Norman Jones, Richard Northey, Robert Muldoon, and Whetu Tirikatene Sullivan. The debate touches on the implications of legalising homosexuality and the potential for increased burdens on taxpayers implied by the bill's passage.

The conversation revolves around whether the bill, upon becoming law, would necessitate additional public spending, thus possibly necessitating an appropriation bill. This is in reference to Speaker Statham's ruling from 1929 stating, "a private member's bill clauses of which may involve an extra charge on the people in the way of rates payable into the public account requires the recommendation of the crown and is therefore out of order."

This discussion delves further into the specifics of this bill, citing possible increases in public spending on health, specifically concerning its implications for an Anti-AIDS program. Members argue over the accuracy of Speaker's prior rulings and whether the changing context and scope of public liability resulting from this bill's passage have been accurately accounted for.

Arguments are made regarding the potential impact on organizations like schools and prisons, with some MPs expressing concerns about the bill's impact on these institutions should it pass. Moreover, some MPs argue for the right of certain institutions to discriminate against hiring individuals based on their sexual orientation to protect young boys and maintain institutional standards.

The debate also covers the expression of personal views regarding the morality of homosexuality and its legal status, where MPs argue the bill could infringe on fundamental rights to protect children and express dissenting opinions.

The discussion concludes with several MPs noting that while Part 1 of the bill addressed the legality of homosexual behavior, Part 2 involves an argument about sexual orientation discrimination, which is viewed by many as infringing on individual rights and freedom of conscience.

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Record date:9th April 1986
Audio courtesy of:Lesbian and Gay Archives of New Zealand (LAGANZ)
Location:Parliament buildings, Wellington
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