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Part 1 - Opening ceremony at Parliament - Wellington Pride Festival 2016

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Congratulate yourselves. [00:10:13] My name is Mandy lavor. And I'm incredibly honored. privileged to be here to welcome you to the 30th anniversary of the homosexual Law Reform Act. Tonight we have an amazing array of performance. And from what I can see, Spring has certainly hit the fashion industry. This is delicious. We have a collection of youth. We have drag queens, Ginger illusionists, but most importantly, we have some of the members surviving 30 years to see what they did, and how we use their money. What we've accomplished in the last 30 years, these men and women are here prison for this. Can you imagine 30 years ago, if I was to walk down the street, as dear sister Carmen, I would have been bashed Hello blade. Bleeding being the operative word. These men and women bleed on the streets of Wellington to give us the freedom. I always refer to this statement. They walked in the shadows so that I can bask in the sun. And I applaud each and every one of them. Like I said, when I say that I'm grateful, honored and humbled to be here to welcome you this evening. It's neat. So without further ado, I would like to now take this opportunity to introduce you to Elizabeth kitty, kitty. Ladies and gentlemen where she she saw me this year. [00:12:06] Thank you, [00:12:16] Danny in [00:12:19] theater, Tara Ma, Tina Rocco. [00:12:24] I thought it was later in the program. So all of the thinking of all the organizes the place in which we are will all have been done. [00:12:34] Security UO. So [00:12:41] there will be speakers tonight that will talk about law reform and talk about some of those historical things. And what I wanted to bring into the room then as around the time that the new one. And we like yeah, let's just roll with this. Okay. About the same time reform, this one action. The term paga top was being promoted within rainbow mighty networks. We use third party today is an identity that embraces all of our diverse sixes, genders and sexualities. That is how we have a centuries old traditional model to so claiming paga top we can access to that Al neo nazis comma, our language and our culture, Africa, Papa, our ancestry and our way to our spirituality and our connected our connectedness to all things in the universe. And also reminds us that paga top we have suffered a particular type of historical trauma brought to us by colonization, the gift that just keeps on giving. to fund a fund a trust was established in Wellington in 2001. To provide a safe space for Tiger top three, live our culture in a way that honors our diverse sixes, genders and sexualities. Our vision is to find a fun I carry a tyranny, a rainbow is forming and the sky is our to tell us stories, build our communities and leave a legacy. If we look to the top of far Murray health model, which was adopted by the US government decades ago, to find a foreigner envisage, or imprisoned Jesus, that even when we have a vision of a world that honors our way to our spirituality, we are six agenda and as sexuality is acknowledged, is the gift that it is from our ancestors. That is certainly not something to be trifled with, are heading out of our mind. We are homophobia by phobia and transphobia is not a constant assault on our sensibilities that limits our creativity and certainty of a future at cinema, our body, a world where our children's bodies are not subject to surgical torture to normalize them. We are young people aside from threats and violence in these schools, the communities and the places of worship, where every single one of us has access to what if a healthcare we require and that our elders may age gracefully, gracefully with the dignity they deserve. Finally, family, we envisage a world with the families we were born into. And the families we create a places of love and support, where we have healthy and happy relationships with the people we share our lives and our bodies with. And that's a revolution right PF having a healthy, happy relationship. My partner in law for 24 years next week, just say I am the second because of it. We're our communities, and particularly this to fund our fantasies a world where our communities can harness our collective wisdom and creativity to change the world around us. [00:16:21] It does not seem to me to be too much to ask. [00:16:25] So we're not around. We're not sitting around doing nothing to fund a fund and many of you will know we do this. We're not a performance group. No one pays us to come and perform. This is part of us making sure that the treaty is alive and well in our communities. That we support the organizers and provide the Tichenor to create a safe space for all of us. But also, we work with many community groups, we organizations, government agencies and universities around a range of products to advocate for target pathway within in the context of our wider rainbow communities. So we're involved in many projects addressing issues such as primary health care, mental health and suicide prevention, secondary and tertiary education programs, sexual health, sexual and intimate partner violence, housing and homelessness, sports and the arts. Throughout this week, we do research we collect data, we contribute to the production of of wisdom knowledge of course, but we also contribute to my PO Donna MRT knowledge base, we help our people remember that discrimination against us may be part of modern society, it is not part of multi culture was so much to do and so few of us to do it to find a final models relationship building and collaboration. We will put that to the test over the next two years as we develop a national rainbow strategy with the National paga top we strategy inside of that they reflect the needs and aspirations of all of our different communities will be coming to a town near you to talk to you about it. Be ready for that. So in that collaborative and fully Coco commodity and treaty based spirit to fund the funder invites all of you all of us to help create a rainbow movement that honors our ancestors respects our elders works closely with their peers and looks after our young people [00:18:29] are you with us [00:18:40] know what I cannot I cannot kill the hoo hoo my Tata capital [00:18:55] now we have members of the rainbow community the panel Terry rainbow community you'll meet them in just a few moments but let's give them a round of applause for just being here with all this callous Shall we [00:19:34] Nami no EK koto Koto and well, I'm Elizabeth it may not have been she told. I think it's wonderful to place us firmly in a treaty relationship. As parliamentarians we end the cross Percy parliamentary rainbow network, welcome you to this place, which of course is on the land of Munna, Finola, and we work and pass partnership, or aim to work in partnership with our treaty partners in this place. And I'm Jay McGee. I'm a Green Party MP and coach here along with the fabulous Lewis the wall of labor. And Paul foster bell of a national policy [00:20:19] of the cross Patty, Rainbow [00:20:21] parliament to network with these other gorgeous members who you see on the stage, including David see more of the x policy, trip and Mellard of labor, Jane, sure, the greens and your local Grant Robertson, of labor, and also matter [00:20:44] of the Mario Party, and quite a few others who are we're very, very disappointed not to be able to be here tonight. We're a new network, we're set up and it's kind of like a queer straight Alliance, happening in Parliament modeling as serves on the leaders in our schools, and to be able to progress LGBT rights in this country to be able to advocate externally and internally for better policies and legislation to ensure the human rights and the vibrancy of all of the members of our community. And as we come today, to celebrate 30 years, and an extraordinary time and amazing work that was done by community and parliamentary activists, we are inspired for that next stage of the journey [00:21:41] of those [00:21:42] whose work has not yet been done. And we are proud to stand here and welcome you to this place, your place the people's house. And it's so wonderful to see it full of our people. [00:22:13] A matriarchal society. She's a superwoman from the 1980s and it's an absolute honor to be able to introduce this woman who is one of the main reasons why we're here celebrating tonight 30 years later if I say too much more my I'm going to cry and in my false eyelashes are going to fall off so I won't, but could you please join a huge welcome for friend wild. [00:23:07] Okay. [00:23:10] It's enough guys. Don't get too carried away. To touch Oh, and greetings to all you fabulous people here tonight. 30 years I saw in the program, it was talked about the homosexual Law Reform era, which made it seem like you know, about 500 years ago, actually. But even 30 seems a long time was only 14, of course when you realize, and now I'm just about growing up. [00:23:43] So [00:23:44] I guess the question is, how did that happen? Well, it was the right time. And it was the right parliament. And I do need to say that a lot of us joined the Labour Party and the light similarly to get rid of Mel do. And then when we got to Parliament, we found there were other things to do as well. So we got him but there were other things. So when I was running and for the at one election, I was lobbied by Tom McClain and others something came with him and they said, Would us would you vote for gala form? And I being a good Wellington seek true liberal said? Of course I would. And then they said, Well, nobody else would sponsor it. Do you think you would and I young and stupid remember at the age of 14 said, Well, I suppose so. Not having any idea what that meant. And so when I got in the first practically people to see me with a guy called me and he's like, okay, Fred, guess what, that's all. So the first bill we looked at was the equality bill. It didn't see the light of day, which actually is just as well, because I said earlier, that was the right parliament. And frankly, a number of younger piece of Cameron and 81 and more and 84. And we had enough people then to make it go through. I don't sit I'm not sure we would have got something through in the 8184 parliament. So I want to just start tonight, probably use nine minutes so far my tea and by thinking, in particular, the key people that I worked with, because, you know, nobody does anything by themselves in this world. It's always a team. And this was the most phenomenal team. There were people all over New Zealand, I'm not going to actually talk about the people from outside Wellington, because actually there were too many of them. But in Wellington, they were a group that I worked with, and they came into my office of Parliament, I was the whip. And Mike Helen and I were in with the whips. And we came in late, we set up a little kind of headquarters in the office. And these people were really the critical ones. Now I'll probably miss somebody out. But I just want to just mention a few names tonight of the people that are in the audience the time and who actually went out and organized outside of Parliament. So there was Bill Logan who was [00:26:07] a really key [00:26:17] so how was [00:26:18] a strategist at an organizer, you know, know how politically is so he was very helpful. In that respect, Ellison Larry Ellison was really important. [00:26:34] And you and painter at it is you and hit night. Now your painter was really important. [00:26:41] And then there were [00:26:45] Graham Russell, who I think worked full time on this campaign. And [00:26:50] he was around a lot as well. [00:26:51] He was much younger than Joe. [00:26:54] And then we needed information and Phil Parkinson, the library and was just so impressed. And David Henley and David Ayer and recorded along the writing as well. So they were that was a really phenomenal team. It wasn't all ghastly, we had a bit of fun. And DS, who's going to talk to you later supplied a bit of fun and the opposite is the turkey. And these are mingle when he came out. So she does got something to tell you. Dessert arrived one in the summer, I think and he was wearing practically nothing. And he was a builder and he had a great body and what she constantly displayed, and and one day, I had to tell me something of how are you? Okay, I know what it is. And sure enough, he said, Well, I'm actually gay. [00:27:44] Really? [00:27:48] Anyway, do you think you do it was fabulous. And we did have a lot of fun as well as doing the hard yards. And this was a parliamentary campaign they were to keep who ran this one is Trevor Maillard, who's here tonight, you're going to hear from him later, we could not have got the spill through without trailer. He he was. [00:28:15] And the other one was Ruth Dyson. I don't think with us here tonight. [00:28:20] She [00:28:23] throws race [00:28:25] I was a [00:28:26] single mother with three kids. And it was while I was a good bit traffic for doing the bill in the middle of most of liberal electors in Wellington. And I was Ruth was staying with me, she and I shared this childcare actually. And she also worked on the campaign and she was phenomenal. So I just want to acknowledge here. And of course on the other side of the house with Catherine I Reagan. And Catherine did a great job organizing as many notes as she could. I just want to lastly acknowledge my office. The people went to my office obviously mike mike Cullen the weapon was very patient and carried a lot of my work as I speak during that period. And the office staff Marion line and my pa who was just phenomenal. And just and we had thousands of leaders. And guess what, in those days, computers were pretty new. So most of these were hand written and there was all the paperwork was much more laborious than it is now and she just managed all of that. And joy t our little officer system to hit to be taught how to detect little bombs, in case some letter C one to me. So you know what, they were great people and they worked their heart set on this campaign. They didn't have to they were doing it voluntarily. [00:29:43] So [00:29:44] not when the bill was introduced. And by the way that somebody reminded me 31 years ago next week, the Evening Post headline was gay six 816 right across the front front of the of the only person on God was having fun little paragraph, you know that. But anyway, I thought, well, that's it. And we counted at that time and there was a bit of a convention in the house, then I don't think it's there anymore. It was a gentleman's agreement that don't have gender will anymore. They don't affect the got more women, which is great, but that you would always vote for first reading for about it was let it be introduced and then it will be killed on the Select Committee. So that went to the select committee and we knew we had about 20 people that would vote for absolutely when you I can't remember the exact number. All my files were burned, by the way and that that fire in the cube unified storage unit years ago, which was a tragedy. But we knew we that the strategy was to get the electorates organized and get New Zealanders to give permission to their employees to vote for the bill. So the lobbying wasn't all in Wellington, we were very poorly organized. When we first introduced it, I have to say that we got over pretty quickly. The studies were gone through obviously, the lesbian and gay community a kind of congregate with the but the provincial areas and the smaller towns were just awful. It was a scorched earth. And we had to give them help when they needed. It wasn't just the gay community. Many liberal New Zealanders helped us they formed groups, we started an organization called heterosexuals and afraid of gays HUG. [00:31:25] And we had a badge, badge of [00:31:29] honor. And that was for them. So they they were all there. And it was great. And we The idea was to give information gave me in had been demonized as child molesters. And the whole nature versus nurture debate raged. And you know, all of this Old Testament stuff was quoted and they're all deprived monsters they're going to watch out for you know, have to watch out for your children. We had to get information out the New Zealanders had the stereotypical ideas guy mean, and they simply won't create. And so we needed to get the information out. So we use the media, we use radio, we use talkback, we had operated articles, letters to the editor, lots of lobbying of employees, we had a list of employees triple might tell you how many I, in the end who we won't name them. Or tonight, we knew the ones we had to get, we knew the ones that were kind of on the verge and we had to get them over to our side, we knew the ones we would never get. And being the parliamentary work was very helpful because they often wherever we are to get them leave the night that the bill was being debated, which is every Wednesday if you go and in fact, we got a lot of them invited to do things on fire into the country. So that couldn't get back on Wednesday night. On Wednesdays a lot of people were absent. And they always got laid when they asked for it. And basically, this was that I just traveled around the country frequently and meetings and public meetings and small meetings and radio and yada yada yada sided Trevor actually and some of the other employees. They did some great work for us. When we asked them to they were there. Look, I don't want to go on much more. But there were two things I want to say which I think helped a meeting probably look pivotal in the campaign. One was the petition. And Tribble talk a little bit about that. But when it was presented out here on the streets of Parliament, they had the member the boys and girls Brigade, I think need the fact now thank goodness, but they had them in the uniforms. They had New Zealand flags, little vote for the new one team. I'm sorry, you know, the Labour Party up but I am. I had the flag, I had the national anthem, I had homes. And and it was really scary. And they had one box for every electric What's the name of the liquid This was meant to scare the MPs. And what it did was it scared New Zealand does because that's seen this sort of thing before, either in reality or on the on the you know, old news radios that seen it and Hitler's pre war Germany. And the Nuremberg rallies, the words were [00:34:09] kept popping up all the time. [00:34:11] And people said, we don't want this in New Zealand. We don't want fundamentalist Christians, demonizing these people and blaming the for everything that's going wrong in our society, there's got to be a better way for New Zealand. And, and it was really interesting because a lot of the press gallery came into the office that day and said, Give me a hug badge and put it on and they will. Our journalists are all neutral, of course, but they were second by the side. And that was a key thing. But even bigger for me was visibility of the gay community. And I just tonight want to finish by saluting the members of the gay community who came out during that period, those men were criminals. And they have been persecuted in New Zealand for me a long, long time. And we knew that Emily's New Zealanders other New Zealanders saw that. They had game in living all around them they worked with they were they played golf with them or tennis or rugby. They had to do sons, they had brothers, and in some case husbands who are gay. And least people realize that gay men were just like all the rest of us. We come in many different sizes and shapes and inclinations, but we're all Kiwis, we would not win this. And there were some extraordinary, brave x by gay men who came out during that time. And you could see people almost kind of here the brains working amongst other New Zealanders. Our son says gay Wow, he's just like me. Absolutely. And that was really, really, really important. So I just want to acknowledge all those mean, who did that it was a really brave it because if we had actually not passed bill, they would have been in the most terrible situation, it would have been really, really bad for them. They weren't the only ones. Of course, all of us women would have had a bad pretty rough go of food and all of those other causes that we'd all a spouse wouldn't have worked. But that was really important. So for the future, look, we've had some great law enforcement stina, it's got low, so well done on the latest. We didn't get the Human Rights part of the bill through that was the insurance policy of some of the employees that voted against that they knew they had to decriminalize. And that's gone through 16. But there's still a lot of us, she's in New Zealand, and I particularly just want to say I know you are all working on it. But I think the kids, we need to look at what's happening to LGBT kids. Some schools are great, they're really safe, but others aren't. And I think that's something that the older people in the community need to focus on and make sure that those kids feel safe. And okay, and with the advent of, you know, the digital age and are just as crowded are given for having a paper not using my cell phone, but makes it much easier to bully. We all know about that. And so these kids really need some help. So just to [00:37:12] kind of wind up on that really, that there's always more work to be done. [00:37:16] So I'm to introduce the next person. Now, this person father taught a young lad called Trevor repay when he was at school. And you know who to repay was Trevor went on to be Cameron. And so we are now going to hear from Cameron's namesake who was a key plus and homosexual or for [00:37:39] driven man. [00:37:54] I'm, I'm told by my parents, I was named after an ankle and not after Cameron. But, but some of my earliest experiences with the LGBT community were with Cameron, who, having been taught by my father who went from being a teacher for a couple of years and permanently to being a ship broker and Wellington, when we walked up, well, a straight Carmen would always wave and call out and say, Hello column Haven't seen you recently. And, and for a very straight conservative, she a broker, he found that a little bit hot [00:38:36] in it, of course, with Georgina in front of me. [00:38:41] We, in my generation, there were really good night clubs in Wellington. Now the balcony was the only place that you could go to see really good bands playing in for me, I got educated the input, including bye, bye, Georgina, who was who was one of the most wonderful and beautiful dancers you have ever seen. [00:39:07] Like, [00:39:09] most straight miles, the issue for me was kind of a little bit clear in 1975, when Binion head up head of Bella was that was the first time that I can remember that the issue was the it was a bill in Parliament to decriminalize with age 20 from memory, that last pretty badly. But started people thinking from an intellectual perspective, [00:39:37] I [00:39:40] still have a friend, a good friend, who's actually sort of relatively yellow at the moment, who has never been able to tell me, I've known about of his conviction. And just that just seen that for some of the generation just before mine, it was absolutely awful. It's still not good. And it wasn't good at the time the bill was being passed. But of the people in the 1950s and 1940s. In particular, their lives must have been so shocking in in people were so privatized that they can't even tell their own friends of the convictions. And my my job was to do numbers, I did numbers and a couple of ways. I'll talk a little bit about develop self but friend referred to the petition, the petition, I think he had a face number of something like 600,000 800,000 sorry, 800,000 people on it or see, it was it was frightening. And the Nuremberg rally is an understatement for what was happening out the in the problem that we hear was many of our colleagues, the numbers were being presented to them seriously. So what you know, we did what was logical. We went to the petition, we opened up the boxes, we ran through the sheets, I think we picked out something like one and 100 we looked for we look for duplications in we look for obviously false names, and we did some electoral roll chicken in it was amazing how often Mickey Mouse inside. In town, [00:41:30] Max had some [00:41:32] somehow come back, somehow come back to life. And they will there was lots and lots of handwriting on it. There was often obviously from very little kids who would have had no idea what what they were signing. And there was a lot of repetition as well, in it, as I say, because I've had the name and the address only went back and check the electoral roll. And we knocked down about two thirds of the signatures. So what it showed was, there was just an enormous amount of bullshit. In, in in behind him. [00:42:09] I also did numbers on on the button [00:42:13] in what I did, and it was completely [00:42:14] and modern, was that I had lots of members of parliament, in three Philippines. [00:42:25] In in [00:42:28] sort of a sort of hate hate to say this green was a good color. [00:42:37] And, and blue was the color for people on the other side. And yellow was the one sitting in the middle. In in we just had sheet after sheet after sheet because it wasn't just what was going to happen right at the end, it was how we were going to get the bill through the parliament. Because there was not a majority in the past and majority preference of the people who wanted to vote for the bill to have the age of 16. We didn't have enough to get the numbers thrown in. What happened in the end was there was a joint decision from people from who were very pro and very easy both to vote for 16. And the anti student because they wanted to build a beat. And its most radical for that, because they thought the only hope day ahead of failing would be a week, finally to the Parliament at age 16. sort of seems weird now that you know we're talking about age equality. But it was a very real issue in many of the people who finally voted for the bill actually preferred the age to be at 2416. So it was my job to to count the numbers up. We expected to win by three. On the night of planet at that stage of 99. We actually won by five, Ian McClain who was a very conservative National Party member who I don't think voted for any other part of the volume of the vote at the beginning, but certainly through the boat hadn't voted for it is an understanding of my understanding, because we're always told that we were going to get one extra vice by Simon Upton. And it was almost like it was a proxy vote, Simon felt that he couldn't vote for the bill himself. But he arranged for someone else to like four in the boat, you know, the boat, the boat word there also to national party members, both of whom subsidy subsequently became nights. One of our Roman one personally from her majesty without identifying the two of them, both of whom had gay brothers. But Philip, that they didn't or couldn't, were too scared to vote for the bill, but they wouldn't have the bill fail. So what happened on the night that the bill was finally going through was those two men stood at the firing of the eyes lobby. And two, we knew that we had enough votes to pass and we could wave to them and they could go away. And like voted against now it's a sad situation to be in. But for us, it was it was sort of like a little bit of insurance that was sitting the meat that the legislation could get through. And I just I mean I we pulled in my electric wasn't popular, about two to one against in the Hamilton with the marginal electric that I was in. It was a conservative preferential Sufi. And in, in a paper went through some of some of the opposition was truly awful friends talked about what was the what I really hated, was the bastards who would ring home in sweet f my kids know, I had a daughter who at the time was four and the we got the solution. The solution was I was in when someone rain in seat what was described to her as a naughty word, she blew the whistle in the ear. And it was it was, you know, effect of who would you know, who would bring in talk to a four year old like that, that, that there are some other people with whom I disagree deeply. But I know you know, and I know that we're wrong. But I also know that they believed what believe they do. They were doing it for political for a political reason. And it was a sometimes a religious view, sometimes a personal view, it was a long way away from my views, but they will some of them were malicious. And one of those was pretty young. And part of his seed I now I now hold triple triple was like that never voted on the right side of anything constantly blue on my list every every vote he was on the wrong side of [00:47:39] but [00:47:40] what made it awful. And that family is due in lots of lots of famous because families were split on necessary [00:47:52] in a way, which was over was that his son given [00:47:58] was first throughout the campaign. He was one of the hardest workers on the pro change side. [00:48:11] And he did an enormous job and he's an ex Speaker I give you giving you [00:48:28] thanks. [00:48:33] But I'd like to talk about is it is a couple of things is is the what went before and also taking it to the to the enemy. But before we do, I just like to say thank you to trigger and to enter friend. What friend didn't meet him Is it was a big personal toll on her she got a lot of shit thrown at her from all sides. And and it was really hard for her to keep going during the campaign and I remember wimping you out here when the aunties were delivering the petition, you were really beside yourself. And it did soon against them that you know, it was really hard going and she she gave a lot personally. So we are here a huge gift thanks. [00:49:24] The homosexual or Form Builder that we got through in 1986 was a real milestone. And we've heard from from Fran and, Trevor, as to why that was, it was a milestone for a lot of individuals, his friends see it in terms of people coming out. And that is mushroom sense. But it was the culmination of a lot of stuff that went before. And I just like to, to mention a little bit of that, because I think it's quite important not forget those people whose shoulders that we stood on, and, and that was on today. So in the 1960s, when the word game still meant perky and Brighton so on, there was a group called the homosexual Law Reform society. Now they were a group of prominent individuals, a number of them and also gay men, but not necessarily really out. But they started the focus on law reform, and they wanted the Crimes Act change. And they, they were the activists of the day. And they, they they stood up and, you know, fought for what was a really unpopular cause in those days. And people like jack Goodwin, who was the secretary of the homosexual Home Society did an amazing job. He wrote so many letters he he lobbied he wrote submissions, and he spoke at a lot of events. And so he he was the activists of the day. But 1970s, you had a different group of of younger people coming through. And you had gay liberation. So you you had least been engaged beginning to come out beginning to be visible, and have a good slightly different take on things. And so the the 1970s was very much about focus on our rights, and that we wanted 16. So we had mention of being young spelt, which got introduced an age of consent of 21, the homosexual world forum society and the gay groups made submissions for 16. I think it came back at 20. But it failed to get through and a conscience vote in 1975. Now that was seen as a bit of a defeat. But for a lot of us It wasn't because we saw it as we didn't get second class citizenship. We we didn't, we didn't accept less than everybody else. And it kept the pressure on the politicians to have another go and do better. Right. So we kept pushing for 16. And in the late 70s, labor and PN form cabinet minister Warren freer, agreed to introduce a bill and he came and talked to us about it was age 1420. Now we we had a lot of meetings around the country, a lot of debate about that. Some people felt we should accept it, you know, and take what we could get. But a lot of us didn't. And so in the end, that was withdrawn. He came back the next year 1980 with age of 18. And again, we said No, thank you. So that was sort of the background that lead up to friends bill and frame. didn't argue about the age he gets he went for 16. And we all got behind that. So it was it was, you know, absolutely worth sending out what what our goals were in sticking to those over the years. [00:53:07] Just on the education and Travis just mentioned it. [00:53:11] The night before a couple of days before the final vote friend invited all the groups and people in committee, was it that there was a get it through an 18. He he had a consultation with us. So they could get it through a team. And she said, What do you want to do. And we said, we want to go for 16 there was a risk or the risk that we could lose the whole thing. But we we said stick with 16. And it worked because it forced some of those people, George gear and others who we thought might get might be able to be pushed, it forced them to go that way. And so we got grew up for it 60. Now, just moving over to the activist side of things, the the group, the main group that was doing the lobbying is France meeting with a group called the gay Task Force. Now that group was very instrumental in getting the the bill through and it was led by Bill Logan, as we've already mentioned. [00:54:29] The reason the reason I'm speaking tonight is because bill can't speak tonight, now. No. [00:54:42] So I just like to acknowledge the work that they did, which was absolutely fantastic. And very wide ranging and [00:54:57] not only supporting what Fran was doing, but doing lot of big activists stuff that we were doing as well. Now, what surprised us at the early stages of the of the campaign is that the opposition, the antithesis, we called them got themselves very well organized. And so they got that awful petition going. And the Salvation Army who we all thought when I speak with it did nice things to people, they took it upon themselves to take this awful petition around door to door to schools, to workplaces, to pubs to everywhere. And, and so there was a lot of opposition suddenly happened. They were also running rallies, quite big rallies and the town hall and other places. And so they had a momentum that we kind of didn't on the on the other side. So there's a group of us, Allison, Lori, Linda, ribbons, Tiki and stone, and the number of us got together. And we we we thought that what we needed was this was slightly different group than the task force. And we call ourselves the campaign for homosexual quality. And we were focused on doing activists stuff and basically taking it to the enemy. Was was what we were trying to do. One of the one of the early things that we did, well, actually, can I just go back on stage, what we faked was this petition and everything going around, it was really having a toll on our people. That it was emboldening people to abuse the OBD community, you know, and there were a lot of incidents, incidents in workplaces, where you know, people were getting a lot of flack from the their co workers. And so which we sort of saw, if we can get those people involved, it makes it makes everybody feel a lot better. But also we can achieve that. So we took the fight to our opponents, the first thing we did one of the early things we did with organize a march now there was a lot of risk around that because because the there was a feeling that it could have been attacked by the opponents and friend factor a couple of days before and see could be cooled off. We thought about that. And we thought we couldn't. And so we went ahead and did the match with very, very well marshaled and we had helium filled balloon. So it was a cannibal type atmosphere. And fortunately, we didn't get attacked and it was successful. And it was a turning point in the in the in the fight back campaign. It was a number of other things we did and I've been told I've got to shut up shortly. But the number of other things we did is we took it to the Salvation Army they weren't all united internally. And we picked it up the the Sunday service at the Citadel in Vivian straight My parents were horrified by the way and and we and we visited the head office in Cuba Street. And we asked for our donations back disease to st appeals when a nice crowd donations back. And and so they started to realize that actually it was going to affect them big time. Now there are a number of other things that that that we will say there but I won't won't go into those. Now. I just mentioned that there were some wasn't just the activists are a number of individual things that that friend is also mentioned that people didn't fight back. And when I heard last night when I was having some drinks with some friends, is that I have a couple of friends who are taxi drivers and one went to pick up a fear at the people's Palace Hotel, which was run by the Salvation Army in Cuba Street. And he went into the lobby to find the customer. And on the counter was the petition. Well, when he left the petition wasn't there anymore. So I don't know if he's here tonight, but good on up that was really good. So we have a lot of fun. But I think we also achieved with the task force a lot. In with Fran and her team. We all work together to make the bill of success. And got it through. Thank you very much. Era [00:59:23] clap your hands. I was [00:59:29] that I have to introduce. [00:59:32] Because what you said is [00:59:34] not factually correct. Okay, thank [00:59:46] you. I just introduce the next person who is Allison Murray. [01:00:01] Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen. [01:00:06] It is very uncomfortable for a drag [01:00:08] queen to be seen in her costume [01:00:11] before his show. [01:00:14] I come out here to remind you that this is a celebration. And we are adults. This is not a public forum for debate. Thank you so much. All right. [01:00:40] Just very quickly, an introduction of LL. Linda. [01:00:45] Allison. [01:00:48] Allison, [01:00:49] Allison, I've known for many, many years, she's an activist goes back right to the 60s, she has worked in Norway, and was involved with the movement there. She's bought now she came by and and she's she has bought a lot of that knowledge from Europe to the campaign that we ran here. And so she was an absolute [01:01:19] not only an icon, but a great source of health to us. Thank you. [01:01:41] Yeah, so I'm speaking, speaking about lesbian involvement [01:01:51] in respect to homosexual. [01:01:55] And George like to start a lot earlier, [01:02:00] back prior to packing, [01:02:06] coming to country and my money and sizzles, because I'm at the cusp of both races, as so many of us are. [01:02:17] My mother and [01:02:18] sisters, the woman [01:02:22] could live as one in Utah. [01:02:27] They were plenty of rights for women, women could own land, women could [01:02:34] do all kinds of things. When the [01:02:37] English time [01:02:40] many things changed the English in the late [01:02:46] 18th century, had passed laws that say that women were the property of men. And the woman had no identity. She was in fact the property of husband, a physical father. And then if he died, respond, brothers, so she really had no identity. So for us as women, the law has always been Paramount and very important, because it's only the law that has enabled us to achieve any kind of equality or recognition within society. So as women, we've always been very interested in the law. And in New Zealand, those body and pocket women were very active [01:03:42] in achieving the first world [01:03:46] the right to vote in 1893, we were the first in the world. But prior to that we did achieve in 1895, to married woman, married women's property equity gave us right to be an individual. And without that you couldn't fight for us if you're not this awkward revert. So as women, and Aziz means we have always been very aware that it's the law, and he was sent and the house of parliament, it's the law that gives us rights, whatever else we may think, and the final instance, it is the law, it is the parliament, it is our members of parliament, that that can achieve the kind of equality that are enabled us to live full and equal lives. [01:04:45] So [01:04:47] is we stand on the shoulders of those who went before and all mentioned some people [01:04:54] that perhaps we haven't thought about nearly China. [01:04:59] We are retired us started the business that eventually became James Smith. She was a lover of Charlotte one time. retailer Lyft. She lived here in the 19th century, she went back to London, and she wrote very important books, particularly about the first juicy of [01:05:25] the first studio moment is to earn her own living [01:05:30] to be independent of men. [01:05:34] And that's hugely important because you can have any lesbians, and this woman can be economically independent. So always signals link in together. [01:05:48] So we shouldn't forget any of that either. Those women who went before she fought hard for those legal fools to enable a shaman legal existence, [01:06:02] if we have the right to vote, later to have the right to be empowered later than the right to vote. [01:06:13] And so we don't want to move against sodomy. [01:06:18] How did that affect women? Well, because any law [01:06:25] that makes any sort of homosexuality criminal will eventually affect not only men, but women. [01:06:36] There were attempts in Britain, which we followed to make sex within women illegal. [01:06:44] And I believe the bullshit that Queen Victoria believe in as [01:06:50] she knew all about that there wasn't a problem. [01:06:57] The real attempt comes in 1920s, free [01:07:02] when they wouldn't have House of Commons passed to make six written run illegal. [01:07:07] And it was defeated in the House of Lords not because they thought there was anything wrong with that. But because as no dessert said, to make a law about it would bring it to the attention of women who had never thought about and never dreamed of it. And that would be a brave minister. [01:07:31] So in New Zealand, we took on the laws against sodomy. So [01:07:39] male, the not being gay, but the male act of sex was illegal, and could be punished for seven years. And we lost so many men to that we lost ninja Lyft and went overseas. Because I couldn't be here. So that took a brain drain. [01:08:02] And we also lost friend who went to prison, and that was terrible. [01:08:08] And so finally, through many attempts, some of us Gavin has talked about, we came to the point where we finally had a chance to change that law. And these beings were involved in that, because, for us, any kind of any kind of homosexuality, which is criminal will eventually lead to all kinds of homosexuality being criminal. So it is not in the interests of these fans to just say, Oh, well, it's it. For me. It was very important. That's why we were involved in the bill. And both parts of the bill not only in the second part of the bill, which was the Human Rights part, we were involved in really agitating and fighting for that reform. We, the first part of the bill was one, we were very lucky to lose the second part of the bill, because all the exemptions would have been it was illegal to discriminate [01:09:08] against teachers, we [01:09:10] built the military and all kinds of things. So it was best to lose that pattern that came again in 1993, and was won by care for Reagan. [01:09:20] So we have legislative success. And we will continue to do that, at my messages that is through the law, that we achieve equality. The so important to recognize that we live in a democracy. We are fortunate. We have a parliamentary system, we must use it. [01:09:45] And I will conclude by saying that we must never silence anymore. [01:09:51] We must not silence people, we must not no platform people that is anti democracy. We must live all the voices. [01:10:17] Yes. And now I want to introduce this. Oh, no, no, no, sorry. I've got it. Now. I will introduce Michelle today. And Michelle was one of the activists in homosexual reform. And she was a partner according to them. And she was a tremendously important campaigner for all our rights for many years, and who unfortunately died a couple of years ago. [01:10:53] terracotta terracotta, tena Toto, Qatar [01:10:59] field immensely proud to be here with all of you today. It's wonderful to see old friends and comments for many years ago. Like Allison also want to talk about lesbian involvement, and six more form campaign. And then the Human Rights Movement. The Times are very different affecting as many of you are older than I will remember, I was about 21 during the hundred 64 campaign. And as people have alluded to previously, it was a bit of a scary time. I remember the presentation of the petition on the states of Parliament. I remember seeing those young people in the uniforms of the sessions in the first race seeing the national anthem. [01:11:53] And it was shocking. [01:11:56] At the time of the position, the petition was being [01:12:01] at the time when the petition was being taken around with for the Housing Corporation. [01:12:07] The petitioner item were workplace and people were lined up by the supervisors and expected to sign it. A number of us refused. Not just the game in an experience, but also a lot of our straight colleagues refuse, thank goodness. [01:12:32] But these, it made our lives very, very difficult. At the time, I was censored many times for wearing trousers to work, I was told that I must make my appearance more feminine to fit and [01:12:49] that prompted me to join the union. [01:13:00] My life at that time was divided between Wellington and Christchurch. It started off down and crisis a 1985. And I joined the group supporting the home six of the reform campaign. At the time down in Christ it a lot of evangelists are being invited over from the United States, to speak in churches and community halls about the evils of homosexuality. I remember attending one of those meetings and it was quite a large police presence. We stood at the back of the whole piece of hulu's playgrounds, supporting having six law reform. And said very little, during this entire travesty. I was a friend of mine was standing next to me and got bars by an elderly men who had his elderly wife next to her. She said excuse me to try and get past them. He turned around and he punched her in the face and knocked it to the ground. And the policeman will stay there and said I saw nothing. [01:14:04] That's what it was like. [01:14:12] Remember, and crush it. So the time with the family's been socializing and pubs. Because those were the only meeting places we had, and taking beatings in the car park. [01:14:25] That was the reality for a lot of us, lesbians and gay me. [01:14:30] So we had to stand up and we had to fight for equality. And we have [01:14:43] many of us from our flats, many of us were thrown out of our homes. I was 16 years old. [01:14:53] That's not uncommon. [01:15:00] So that's why this has been so important. Let's change people's lives. I came back to Wellington just to see things are heating up with with the petition being presented at Parliament and all that kind of stuff. And that was the time that I first meet. Although I didn't connect with my life partner pulling Simmons houses for 28 years. We dance together at the celebration. But also what I want to talk about being diverse groups in our community at the time, we were also different. There was no homogenous gay and lesbian community. As such. We were We were range of diverse groups, and we all had our own opinions, our own values, we overheads, Aaron ideas, and we didn't always agree with each other. Sometimes we really disagreed with each other. And sometimes the meetings could become heated, they were always passionate. [01:16:12] They were always with the right intentions, but sometimes they were disagreements. But we work through those disagreements. We we spoke to each other about the ideas. We didn't target individuals. We treated up our opponents at times was an error and community was respect. Many of you will remember some of those debates. I remember having discussions with Ellison and pulling the Logan and Phil Parkinson. Many of us are now comrades and friends. Those don't [01:16:58] Logan and Linda [01:17:02] celebrants at my partner's funeral. That's how close we became over that time. We learned to respect each other with diabetes often different. [01:17:18] And we got together to change things. And we learn to tolerate differences. And we move forward. And with the help of many of our parliamentarians with whom we couldn't have, without whom we couldn't have achieved this. We now live in a much different world. But I do still have some concerns of the fighters and at any political one. The rights that we take for granted today can be taken away. I think we need to be realistic about that look at the American elections at the moment. There's still issues facing our community, although people may have legal protection, do we truly have equality, there still issues of poverty. And she's holding back many members of our community that we need to increase. But what I would like to see as we move forward into the future, is a continuation of those alliances, of being able to work together even though we don't agree on everything to find the common ground and not expect everybody to be the same. Because I don't think that's realistic. I think we can work with each other. And I think we can work positively and achieve great things while respecting other people's differences. Lastly, [01:18:49] I would like to acknowledge bill Logan, who hasn't been allowed to speak tonight. [01:19:00] happen. I don't think it's right. [01:19:03] I don't think that [01:19:07] people that fought as hard as bill for be no platforms tonight. So thank you. [01:19:24] I have an old news [01:19:25] sidebar [01:19:28] from [01:19:29] from 1993 when the Human Rights Amendment went through [01:19:35] this really sees a lot of what I see here tonight. So thank you all [01:19:51] and now I'm introducing dismiss and this [01:19:58] was the founder of [01:20:01] heterosexuals and afraid of gays [01:20:11] and [01:20:12] and that was really important to create an organization which allowed heterosexuals through support the bill. They were there was also a Coalition in support of the bill. But that was an organization but I must say that unchecked among us [01:20:32] these means in guys, we were inclined to call it Haeg. [01:20:37] Hi mistake, she was afraid of gays. [01:20:41] And he did come out. [01:20:48] Okay, that's enough. [01:20:52] One of the things that we did learn during that campaign, I've got many, many tales to tell. And of course, it wasn't hard work. And I do remember running around like a cat cat in and out of the office coming in here that they always security. We didn't have it then I could run up the firewalls office. I could use all the copying machines. I don't know how many papers like copied, distribute even around New Zealand. And this was all on taxpayers money. Anyway, and running around. I made Johnny cross screen there. Johnny was a wonderful, I've got a photo here. I know you can all see it. Johnny was really a neat guy died. He didn't call himself transsexual. He didn't call himself a transvestite. He just was a gay guy hopping around, and wonderful drag. I mean, he's a photo of these wonderful friends that Johnny, I said, this is all hard work, you know, putting this film guys through. He said, I'm not political. Johnny was political because right at school days parties for Johnny was Johnny. And their visibility is something we learned during homosexual or form, the importance of being visible. And this is so important. I at our age, Mark, john and my wonderful partner, john and myself. We recently have made quite a number of classic games. I like to think young people because of frame the bill. And people like Bill Logan, Allison Lori paper, Maillard, Kevin young, all these people have made it easier for younger people. And they were moments when we possible work. It was quite amusing because the infamous petition backed by the Salvation Army, they had a free post number. Great. My brother had his shop, he threw out a lot of pads, deepest sympathy, happy birthday, we wrote the free post box number on all those, post them off to them. And they said obviously they know who rack up bricks, sorry, wrapped up bricks. We push them mixed, they get a close down the preview post box number. So we did all that. And another person like to acknowledge it wasn't all hard work. Bye, guys. I was found by a 16 year old woman or young girl. Also college. That was Emily Perkins will know now as a writer, the reason she supported homosexual or form because she had parents who really thought they had gay friends and diverse not gay so but we went around and we put posters that are copied on those machines. untold all over Willington great, but then we had this fundamentalist Christian guy coming around following us with a paint scraper scraping up posters off. So we followed him. Every time he took one poster down, we put five more up, but they look away to frustrate fundamentalist Christians. I turned up one day rubber band, and we had a stick labor. So what we did was, Emily would pass out the bucket of glue. So he put up so high, and then this guy would come along as paid scraper go. [01:24:30] Oh, [01:24:32] so anyway, so those things were a little bit lighter moments, but I don't know how many times and please put one name, but I didn't get in trouble. [01:24:42] Well, I don't think I did. Probably couple of names, though. [01:24:46] So one of the other things, of course, as people will know. I did. I did start with James his lot important sermons. The gala is VM fam, which is still going. [01:25:09] So the first year we did it together after that, of course, I did on my own for nine years. But in 1987, I didn't meet a wonderful man. And everybody here probably is aware of john. And so with john over there. We had had mass close on 30 years of a wonderful time together, and many, many moments. And I do want to acknowledge also this time, Bill Logan again. Now, bill, bill, he not only was great at strategy, but he's saved people. And I was one because I didn't get a big boulder pop through my main window. I got two beers. I got stones check that out. I got we did had a stall and up a lot of hot. We got spit on by so called Christians. And we also had our store took over. Life was tough. Bill saved me. He put me on. No Fulton, good counseling. [01:26:19] And so [01:26:21] I just want you all to give a big clap for both. [01:26:33] Anyway, I think I'll wind up there. probably heard enough, but I'll tell you what, there's 100 titles, but I am doing another tour at India at 1030. [01:26:47] So those who have time Come along, no matter what the way that you'll have a good time. I've got some funny titles that will Okay, thank you.

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