The title of this recording is "Skye - Q12". It is described as: Skye talks about being young and lesbian in 2012. It was recorded in Rotorua, Bay of Plenty on the 19th July 2012. The duration of the recording is 15 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Skye talks about being young and lesbian in 2012. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: This abstract summarizes a podcast recorded in Rotorua, Bay of Plenty, on July 19, 2012, featuring a discussion with a young individual named Skye who identifies as a lesbian. The conversation delves into various aspects of life as a young lesbian in New Zealand during the 2010s, as well as Skye's personal experiences and outlook. In the podcast, Skye speaks about their aspirations to move to Auckland, driven by the opportunity to join a dance group specializing in hip-hop and R and B. Despite not considering themself a proficient dancer, Skye is invited to audition for a three-month contract with the group. Skye discusses their schooling at an all-girls school and their passion for all genres of music. Social life plays an important role for Skye, with a lot of socializing taking place at their residence, which is a popular hangout spot for friends. On gender identity, Skye elaborates on feeling in between feminine and masculine expressions, an identification they term as somewhere between 'Soft Butch' and 'hard-femme'. In terms of sexuality, Skye is forthright about being a lesbian, taking pride in this aspect of their identity, and recognizes having realized this attraction around the age of 10 or 11. Concerning family dynamics, Skye has an older brother who is also gay, which made it somewhat easier for them to navigate their own sexuality. The discussion sheds light on the various reactions of family members, particularly different attitudes from the parents, with one being more accepting while the other harbors homophobic sentiments. Skye's coming out experience is touched upon, revealing that they were 'forced' to come out at the age of 13 due to a familial incident. The podcast also shows how Skye inadvertently became a confidante and support for others in the community who were struggling with their own coming out journeys. Personal relationships and the challenges faced while dating, especially when involved with someone who is not openly out, are contemplated. Skye recounts the difficulties encountered when a partner would not acknowledge their relationship publicly, which led to frustration and a feeling of secrecy that they found unacceptable. Additionally, Skye explores the concept of virginity within the LGBTQ+ community, suggesting that it can encompass different forms of intimacy and is not limited to heterosexual definitions. The conversation also covers the issue of abuse and discrimination faced because of Skye's sexual orientation. Skye speaks candidly about experiences ranging from verbal harassment to physical violence, highlighting the societal challenges endured. The dialogue gives an insight into how Skye meets other LGBTQ+ individuals, emphasizing the importance of community and shared experiences. Although Skye mentions the dissolution of a local group due to internal conflicts, they underline the interconnectedness among people within the LGBTQ+ community. The full transcription of the recording follows.  It includes timestamps every thirty seconds in the format [HH:MM:SS].  The transcription begins:  Hello. How are you today? I'm great, I guess. That's good. What's your name? Sky. Where are you from? Have you always been from Roto? I have. Yeah, I have. Yeah. So, um, are you moving somewhere else Soon. Um, I want to move to Auckland at the end of the year. We'll start next year, but I'm not sure yet. Possibilities? Yeah. Why is that? There's this, like, dance group thing up [00:00:30] there that they wanted me to join. Like my mate wanted me to join. So, you know, that's the only reason. Dance group. Oh, it's like, um, hip hop R and B group like, I can't remember what it's called. But, you know, they wanted me to join it, so it's like a three month contract. So I have to go to Auckland for that. And you're a good dancer. Not really, but they teach you, So I guess that's all good. I wonder why they want to hire you. Even though I have no idea. It was that random. They needed new [00:01:00] dances and stuff. They only had 37. They need, like, I don't know, a few 100 or something. But, you know, they kind of like, you just go in and you dance with them. And then they say, whether they want you or not, And then you get a three month contract, and if they like you after that and you stay on for another, like, three months at a time. So have you done that already? Just the dancing part auditioning. I haven't started that yet, but they want you anyway. Yeah, they do. They do, but I don't know. [00:01:30] So, um, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Um, I go to an all girl school, which sucks. And, yeah, I'm gay. I don't know. That's about it, I guess. Music. I like all music, actually. Anything like not really. I listen to, like, hip hop. Listen to metal and whatever. Really? You're not going to go screaming out? [00:02:00] Yes, I could. I remember this time where someone actually wanted to do that on an interview. I did not want that crazy. So, um, socialising you like socialise? Yeah, I do it all the time. Heaps of people come to my house and stuff. Your house is the place to be pretty much It's like the main place for my friends to shop like I don't really go to their places. Everyone shows up my mind. We have drinks and stuff. [00:02:30] So So, what's your gender identity? Gender identity? What do you mean? How do you, um What is your gender? What, like male or female? Female? Some people say their sex identity, what their sexes could be, what they physically are, and their gender identity is how they feel they are. And how do you express yourself as, [00:03:00] like, feminine or masculine? Know? I think I'd be in the middle of that like Soft Butch or hard fin. I don't know. A little bit in between a little bit. And what is your sexuality? Lesbian and proud. Very proud. Very proud of this field. So what was the, um When did you realise? Um, my my gay brother used to tease me about it when [00:03:30] I was growing up, But no II. I thought I like girls when I was, like, 10 or 11. And then? Yeah, I just knew from them Gay brother. Oh, yeah. My older brother Mark. He's 22 23 and he's gay, So Yeah, it was easier. Is there anybody else in the family. That's gas or just him that I'm aware of at the moment. But, yeah, your parents just randomly come out a bit awkward. The gene, [00:04:00] it seems like it runs in the family. Like my little sister was like, Oh, can I have a girlfriend? And I'm like, No, Hannah, you can't have a girlfriend. Just a little bit. So 10. 11 when you realise 10 or 11 when I fully realised. How about when you accepted it? I accepted it when I was about 13. Like, fully accepted [00:04:30] it. Did you ever feel that you had to keep it secret from everybody? I had to keep it a secret from my dad. I knew that. But my friends and stuff No. I told them everyone knew it before. I did. Apparently so like me. He was very obvious. And apparently I I come across as like lesbian, so I don't really need to tell people. I am. So how did you feel when you realised? Weird. Like I don't know. [00:05:00] I didn't feel normal, But my brother was gay, so that was easier. Like talk to him about it. This is new. I know. So when did you come out? Um, I came out. Oh, my God. Well, I was forced to come out when I was 13 because my dad caught me with my girlfriend, so yeah. Yeah. So he he kind of realised then my mum, she [00:05:30] said she's always known. So I don't know. It was easy with her. You know, I slightly want to imagine what the what the parents conversation would be the secret conversations that they always have when they find out. So Oh, the son is gay. The daughter is lesbian. What's next? My mom thinks it's funny because she just Oh, I don't know. My dad hates it. My dad hates gay, so I can't talk about it. Um, talk to him about being gay and stuff. [00:06:00] I mean, it's just crazy. Why do you think he hates it? Um, I don't know. He's always been homophobic. I don't know. Just doesn't think it's normal because he's like Christian and stuff. So yeah, yeah, like destiny church people. But he's not that hard core into it. He just hates gays. He wanted us to grow up and, like, have kids and stuff. And me and my brother can't well, we can, but not not in this legal society currently [00:06:30] not in the heterosexual way, but yeah. Yeah. So, um, how did you come out to everybody? Um Well, uh, I don't know. Kind of just eased into it. Told some people. Told some others And then I don't know. Everyone just knew I was gay. It was pretty easy for me. It wasn't for many other people. It wasn't easy for my brother because [00:07:00] he was the only gay one he knew. So, yeah. Was he shocked? Um, kind of a little bit, I guess. I don't know. Did he want to be like the only gay one in the family? Um, yeah, he's a bit like that. Damn. I wanted to be the special one. Yeah, he thinks he's better than one. And he's always like, Oh, I'm the prettiest one. And I'm like, Oh, God, you go, bitch. Please, Pretty much. But we get along heaps. Well, not anymore. But we used to. So how did [00:07:30] you feel about everybody's reactions at first? I didn't. I didn't like it how people would judge me about it. But now I'm just open about it. And people like throw random comments at me, and I just scream at them back, and I just don't care. Like, how does your friends react? Um, they were OK with it because I've been around a lot of like, I've got a lot of gay friends and stuff, so they didn't really It didn't bother them. They thought I was like, Oh, we always [00:08:00] knew because we are, too. Exactly. So when you came out, did you notice people start coming to you about, um oh, I'm actually kind of gay as well. I'm in the closet all the time like heaps of chicks and guys come up to me and, like, talked about it and, like, asked me how to like how they should come out and how they should tell their parents and stuff. And I don't know. I know, but, you know, it's cool. Cool. So [00:08:30] you you have a bit of a support system? I guess so. Well, I live with and Mark's a tranny, and I love Mark. You are my tranny. Mark is my trainee. He hates being called a tranny, but I call him that. So So you don't live at home anymore? No, I do but Mark just lives with us. Understandable kind of thing. Well, yeah, I love Mark. He's, like, my best friend, [00:09:00] so Ok, enough about me. Yeah, your next dollar. He says, Mark in the nervous corner. Where am I? I I've kind of lost myself. Um, So you've been in relationships before with girls with boys as well. Um, I tried that phase, and it was gross. I didn't like it at all, so yeah, [00:09:30] I, like put that thing back in your pants like it's looking at me with that one eye. Exactly. Oh, yeah. You just Yeah. Don't vomit memories. So, what were the relationships like for you? Uh, but they were all right. Some of them Aren't that be because, you know, girls with girls and stuff? Yeah, [00:10:00] It was hard, though, because people, like, don't like gays, so it kind of makes us like I don't know. Have you dated people in the closet? I have dated people in the closet, and I hate it. Like my last girlfriend I had, She was 21 and she would lie about me to everyone be like, Oh, it's just a friend, just a friend. And it just pissed me off like she's 21 and not out of the closet. So it annoyed me. So it was [00:10:30] a very awkward situation. It was I didn't know that she wasn't out like she was to some of her friends, but just not her family and stuff. So I don't know, she kept me a secret. I don't like being kept a secret like, especially if I'm out. So did you. Ever. So you never really had to, like, be yourself with each other when you were around each other. When you're around the family, we had to be real distant and stuff [00:11:00] around her friends. It was OK, but like her parents and her family and stuff had to act a little distant and be like, Oh, yeah, we're just friends. We're just holding hands because it's the fun. Thing is it's 2012. That's what we do these days. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. I don't know. It just annoyed me. So, um, what was that? [00:11:30] Jordan. Um OK, um So how do you meet other people like gays? Um, through other gay friends? I don't know. It's just like when you're gay, you know, gay people because you attract the same type of people. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Is there a group in Aunt Ro Ro now? Uh, I wouldn't say a group of gays. It was like, Oh, I don't know. Like they all scattered around the [00:12:00] place doing their own thing. Really? It was originally a group of what happened. Uh, the group, uh, the group split up because dramas and stuff, and that was a two way closet, so that didn't last that long. Didn't think it would either. Why is that? Just gay dramas, you know? So and so slept with so and so. And that's my ex girlfriend. Yeah, just stuff like that. So what is your definition of virginity? Virginity? Um, it's a hard one. [00:12:30] Virginity, like as in, like, gay virginity or stuff or for your virginity to be taken. I reckon that's when you get intimate with the other. It doesn't have to be like, if you're a girl, you get intimate with a guy or whatever. Yeah, I reckon it's just when you get like, I don't know like, if you were a girl and you were to sleep with another girl, you would have lost your like gay virginity or whatever. So I don't know there's different forms of virginity. [00:13:00] Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It confuses me a bit. People have their own definitions and stuff, so I have no idea. It's like one big maze of virginity. Yeah, it is. It is. It's crazy. It's like coming out of the course. That's a form of virginity. When you think about it, it is, Yeah, I think it's like I don't know how to explain it. It's really hard to explain. Know, kind of like going from one Dr like [00:13:30] one dramatic change to another, I guess. But like life changing, I don't know. Kind of Yeah. Have you ever experienced abuse or abusive behaviour because of your sexuality? Yep. A lot of it. A lot of physical and emotional and like screaming on the streets and stuff like that. Yeah, but that was probably the least of it all. It's been pretty bad. Like he beat me up and then beat up my girlfriend. [00:14:00] So it was like big court cases going and stuff. So that was probably the most like, the biggest thing. Yeah, very dramatic. But besides that. It's just been, like people yelling comments and, like, people at school trying to, like, push me around and stuff and, like, I don't know, stating the obvious being like, Oh, you're a lesbian And I'm like, Yeah, yeah, I am. I'm a lesbian. Get over it. Tell me something I don't know. Yeah, they they they, like, insult me as if I'm gonna, like, you know, prey on them and, like, be like, [00:14:30] Oh, you're hot. Come here. But no, no. Come here, little girl. Let me touch you. I want to do that. I have candy in my van into the dark side. Then Darth Vader, music comes was doing a little dance. The jellyfish jellyfish [00:15:00] makes you feel like your head. Is that what you do when you dance? Yeah, it is what I do Like that. Like we were trying to be a fish. We're like having a fish dance like the same. Yeah, OK, this interview is getting off topic. Um, so, uh, so, um, do you have any other comments? Um, not that I can think [00:15:30] of at the moment. No. Ok, well, thank you for the interview. Thank you for interviewing me. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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