The title of this recording is "Shane - Q12". It was recorded in Auckland, Aotearoa New Zealand on the 22nd March 2012. The duration of the recording is 17 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Shane talks about being young and gay in 2012. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: This summary encapsulates the experiences and reflections of Shane, who discusses their journey of self-discovery and the struggles associated with growing up gay in the early 2010s in Aotearoa New Zealand. Conversing in a podcast titled "Shane - Q12" recorded on March 22, 2012, in Auckland, Shane delves into their personal life, including their interests in hairdressing, makeup, and photography, and their love for their partner and friends. At the age of 18 and having recently completed a course in hairdressing, the individual conveys a profound interest in makeup, enjoying time spent with friends and their partner. Shane reveals a history of trying to mask their true sexual identity, initially coming out as bisexual to test the waters before fully embracing their gay identity. This confession, made at the age of 15, led to the loss of numerous friendships and significant emotional turmoil. The podcast portrays the small-town environment where Shane spent their formative years in Wellsford and the social challenges that come with living in such a close-knit community - especially for someone grappling with their sexuality. The individual also recounts dealing with a negative reaction to their coming out from their then-girlfriend, which resulted in widespread ostracization and hostility at school. Their coming out story unfolds in a series of instances where Shane first confides in a friend, who had already suspected their true identity, and later experiences a mixture of reactions from other friends. The discussion touches upon Shane's gender expression and the confusion it sometimes causes with others mistaking them for a different gender due to their fondness for makeup and a feminine look. Shane also details the complex dynamics of their family relationships, highlighting an understanding mother who had their suspicions about Shane's sexuality long before it was openly acknowledged. With their father, Shane implies that their sexual orientation and identity might be an open secret, evidenced by their confidence in wearing a full face of makeup and dressed in a gender-nonconforming way during visits. Discussing their education and career, Shane speaks positively about the inclusive environment of their academy, which welcomes students from all walks of life and sexual orientations. They touch upon finding support from friends initially, later from their mother, and ultimately becoming their own source of empowerment and confidence. The interview takes a darker turn when Shane speaks candidly about the mental and physical abuse they endured, including being raped. Despite these traumatic experiences, they exhibit resilience and a strong sense of self-worth. They discuss their present relationship, which has endured for over a year, and the supportive nature of their partner, even amid Shane's unique gender expression. Shane provides insight into the realities of 'K Road' in Auckland, acknowledging both the dangers present and its role as a central hub for the LGBTQ+ community during the night. Through these details, Shane conveys a vibrant picture of queer life and the challenges faced by gay youth in New Zealand during this time. The full transcription of the recording follows.  It includes timestamps every thirty seconds in the format [HH:MM:SS].  The transcription begins:  Hello. How are you today? Not too bad yourself. Fantastic. Um, What is your name? George. George. No, it's Shane. So, um Shane George monkey thing. Um, can you tell? So tell us about yourself. Um, I'm about 18, I think. Yeah. 18. I had to think about that. Um, I've finished hairdressing. Course. I've studied makeup artist stream, then studied photography afterwards. [00:00:30] Love my life. Love my partner. I love all my friends. Yeah, that's about it. Well, your interests makeup. Definitely. Um, hairdressing photography. As I just said before, guys hang out with my mates sleeping with my partner one of the best nights of my life. Um, but yeah, like guys and all that shit and all that jazz. OK, so you're 18 or 19. I wish I was older, but yeah, Why is that? Because I actually look older. [00:01:00] Are you looking forward to turning 19? Not really. It's kind of a boring age. Thought 20 was a boring age or 40 was a boring age. Fuck. If I was 40 I'd shit myself. Are you literally or jokingly? Jokingly. Thank you. Um, So what gender identity do you go with? What do you want me to be no black side chick. Doesn't matter anyway. Um what culture [00:01:30] White and what sexuality Gay. Ok, when did you realise? Um, I think I realised when I was about seven, but I wasn't too sure at the time, because, like back then, I wasn't really emotionally like thinking properly, so it was a bit like, hidden behind me, but I fully realised when I was about 13 and only had the guts to really come out when I was about 15. So when you realised, how did you felt? Um, I felt like I had to hide it because I lived in a small town, [00:02:00] so everybody knew everyone, and I didn't really want it getting around. So where were you originally from? Um, I was originally born in South Auckland, moved to the North Shore. Then I moved up north to Wellford and lived there for 16 years from 10 to 16. Surprisingly, you're still alive from living there. Oh, fuck. Tell me about it. That shit. Love you. Really? Well, so when you realise it was a very confusing time, [00:02:30] It was I had to deal with it, Um, because I was by trying to hide that I actually was gay. So I came out as by to see what people were like. Like how they reacted and, Well, um, everyone didn't mind until I decided I would actually come out once I actually came out. Um, I lost half my friends, um, my technical girlfriend at the time, through the biggest, and made the whole school pretty much hate me [00:03:00] apart from a few selected people. So, um, how so When you say a big Tanti Was she, like, screaming kind of jealous or some sort? She was screaming bloody blue murder because I broke up with her because I wanted to date a guy. So you felt confused when you first came out right when you first realised when I first realised Yes. Yeah. So, um, what is your coming out story? Um to what perspective? [00:03:30] To my mates or my family? Who did you come out first to, um, one of my mates. What was that like? Um, she's technically said she already knew. Which is kind of obvious if I think about it now. Well, come on. I used to play with my mother's dresses and makeup when I was seven, but now, she pretty much knew. Then I told a few of my other mates and well, a few of them were, like, iffy. And I lost all my guy mates because I thought I was going to hit on them and want to sleep with them. But not none of them were attractive. [00:04:00] That's what happens when you live in Westford. Um, no. Um, and this is why I'm not going to Northland later this year, and I don't blame you. Oh, I've got to visit Mom somehow. Um, so when you came out wait. You used to dress into's clothes when you're seven, right? Yeah. I just used to do it because, like, it was a lot of fun and, well, pretend to be [00:04:30] a beauty queen. I used to be Cinderella. No, I just did it as well. I was going to parties and stuff, and I never wanted to be the normal kid there. So you just wanted to be Cinderella at the ball? No, I just want to be centre of attention, as you do. Of course. So, um so who else did you come out to at that time? At that time? Um, I just a very select few mates, and they've supported me completely. But [00:05:00] one of them did let it, you know, went through the school and yeah, that's when I started going downhill for a bit down hall. In what way? Um, I actually became quite suicidal because I couldn't deal with it. And also later on that year, um, I was raped, so I did try to take my life, but it's all good. It's over now. I'm happy about myself now. That's good. Yeah. Um, So how did you tell your mother? Um, I actually ran away [00:05:30] from home. And then, um, when I was talking to her through MC because I didn't want to see her in person, I actually came out to her and when we were fighting, but she just replied, like, Yeah, I already knew that, Um, my dad, I technically haven't told him, but I think he knows if I rock up to his house in high heels tights, a long t-shirt, bright pink hair and full face makeup that you've done for years. Yeah, I love my makeup. And I like to look different every single day. [00:06:00] Come on. I like changing my hair. colour. What's a hairdresser for? For cutting here. Um, So what is the most extreme reaction have you gotten, um in what way? With what I look like or my sexuality. Let's start with sexuality First, um, sexuality the most I've ever gotten would be Are you discussing Fargo cock? And I'm like, OK, prove it, show it, flop it out. So they obviously don't have the bigger [00:06:30] balls. And I haven't really had any major bad experience about when For my sexuality. It's just mainly what I look like, Um, for what I look like, Um, because I love my makeup, and I love to look feminine. Um, I always get mistake for a check. And so people like talking about me, and then they go, this girl blah, blah, blah, blah. And I just like I'm a guy. And they're like, what? And I'm like, I'm a guy, and they're like, No, you're not. I was like, pull my pants. Yeah, that's how I checked. I was [00:07:00] so Yeah, because I love my makeup. I. I have to look feminine. Yeah, that's really the biggest thing I've gotten. Yeah, I remember earlier on today when we walked out of the bus station that, um that we walk past some school kids, they walk past you and that guy went I thought he will. Oh, no, that's someone else. Sorry. That was another day. Yeah, [00:07:30] Too many of those. Have you been drinking again? I've only had 12? Yeah. Yeah. Two. Because I finished a body out today, Of course. So I decided I'll have a drink. Yeah. Um, where was I? I lost myself up. Oh, yeah. Bust up, boy. Um, so you get those, um, a lot, don't you? Um, not very often, because they normally actually think I'm a chick, so normally they don't click, so no, I don't really get them. I just get a lot of stars. [00:08:00] My favourite saying is take a pack show last longer because I know you're going to Jack off on it later. They probably do. I wouldn't doubt it. So, um, what was the most amusing reactions you've gotten? Um, get a mistaken as a drag queen on a normal day on a normal day just because I used to draw my eyebrows on, But, um, no, apart from that most outrageous Mm. Nothing, [00:08:30] really. Just about people mistaking me for a check. So you go to course, right? Yes, I've studied for about this would be my third year. Now. So has your course school place thing. Um, were they good with you being out and about? Um, yeah, they're really accepting. Um, we've got a few train in at my academy. Um, we've got gay guys. We've got lesbian chicks, we've got straight guys, straight chicks. [00:09:00] So it's a big range of people, so, yeah, they're really accepting. They do try to mould you into a certain kind of person. Business wise, not sexuality and personality wise. But yeah, they've given up with me because they can see I'm my own person, and I have self confidence. So, um, so did you have any support from any organisations or your friends? Blah, blah, blah for your sexuality? Um, to start off with it was just one friend. Then [00:09:30] it became a few of my mates and then my mom once I told her and me and her stopped fighting all the time as Children do with their parents, as you would know. And so, yeah, after that, me and my mom have become, like, really close mates, and she's almost knocked someone out just because they said I'm a fucking fag. So yeah, my mom and me are quite close. Apart from that, I haven't really had any help from organisations. I've kind of brought myself up and taught myself to be proud of who I am. So how about, [00:10:00] um I went there about three times, all up? I think once I went because I was I think I was meeting up with my ex just because I hadn't seen them for a while. I thought I'd say hi. Another time was, um, they wanted to. This chick wanted to interview me for studying psychology, so I thought I'd went. Got $10 out of it, sweet ass. Um, and the other time I can't remember the other time. But I, I eat three times. Um but no, I [00:10:30] they're too childish for me. I find, um they just want to keep you together, and yeah, I can understand you want to be keep strong together and all that, but it's also you don't want to be just have that group. I find that you want to branch out a little bit, so yeah, That's what I think about that. But other than that, they're a great group. I do support them, but they're not for me. Do you feel that? Um, one of the groups are end up sleeping with each other? Um, I wouldn't really know. I didn't really go to the 18 plus [00:11:00] one, so I kind of stayed away from that personally. So you're currently in the relationship at the moment, right? Um, yes, I am for about a year and three months now. So how does that work out? I wouldn't complain. So how did you two meet? Wow. Long story is everyone asked how we meet. Then I tell them when they don't want to know. So do you really want to know? OK, well, me, him and his ex, I spoke to his ex on Bi. Well, that's ages ago. Welcome to when [00:11:30] the dinosaurs was roaming the earth pretty much. And I spoke to his ex on Bi and got his number, and so started talking to him and he invited me to go to a party with a mate and I was gonna go, but they didn't pick me up because for some reason, they got lost in town or something. And so I asked if I could stay there for a weekend once. And so me, my partner now and his ex partner, current partner at the time I stayed there and we end up having a threesome. [00:12:00] Mhm. And yeah, my partner and me kept meeting up behind his ex's bag for about a year until his ex broke up with him. And then he asked me out. So that's how me and him met. What? A, um, fascinating beginning of a relationship. Yeah. I didn't even know the deck size in the end. So, um well, all [00:12:30] your camp has that affected your relationship. Um, it has affected some relationships I've had in the past, but my current partner at the time, it hasn't affected me or him. Um, he's openly accepting. He doesn't care if I wear makeup. If I don't wear makeup. Um, two sets of eyelashes for long lips, so he doesn't care. He probably encourages it a little bit. Sometimes I'll do it on him because, well, I am studying makeup and well, he does [00:13:00] like to wear a bit of makeup every now and then, so yeah, he does encourage a little bit. So how do you meet other people? Um, I normally meet other people through mates. Um, or through my course, Um, I started going to my course as it was about two years ago, because one of my mates went there, and I got to know everyone that was already there. And so once I started, I already knew everyone, and I met a whole bunch of other people as well. And what is your definition? Virginity? Um [00:13:30] Hm. My definition. Emotionally, I guess. I don't see the difference from cock virginity, bum virginity, mouth virginity. I don't know. I just find it's emotional, um, for me personally, because I've been raped, so I don't classify that as taking my virginity. Um, I find it where when I embrace having sex with the person I love and that technically, is breaking my virginity. [00:14:00] Have you ever reclaimed your What do you mean by that saying that, um, you went you had no sex for a while and say I'm virgin again or something like that. Um, I did go and say, um, have no sex because, Well, it hurt like a lot emotionally. So I couldn't have it for a while, but I didn't say I was a virgin. OK, so you've received abuse of behaviour or abuse in [00:14:30] the past. Yes, I have. Could you specify? Um, I used to date a guy that he was a lovely guy until he started drinking. And my definition He used to leave heart shaped bruises on me where people couldn't see and I learned how to cover them up. Really well. So and I used to be able to lie for him apart from that just being raped a total of three times, to be honest. But apart from that, that's really the only physical abuse [00:15:00] I've had. How about mental? Mental? There's a shit load, whether it's who I've dated. Sometimes even some things people say in the in the street. Yeah, it hurts, but I've just learned to pick myself up and be proud of who I am. So, um, do you feel in a way that K Road is slightly dangerous? Oh, fuck, yes. That's definitely dangerous. There's no offence. I've got a few mates that do it, but there's hookers. They [00:15:30] can be a nasty piece of work. Oh, no, I've got a mate's one. But there's also, like, sometimes syringes there. There's straight guys that go past the clubs and cause shit in the gay clubs. Um, yeah, it can be quite abusive on the street, but normally if you stick with your group of mates, they normally leave you alone. So, um, since K Road is so dangerous, do you think that, um, that's where Gay Central is as well? Um, yes and no, um, during [00:16:00] the night. Yes, I will agree just on K road. Shit. Loads of gay guys go there, even lesbian chicks. Um, because I just want to congregate with each other and have a good time. But the straight people normally are against it, and they normally want to create a riot. But other than that during the day, I don't think it's just K road. It's just pretty much anywhere you go and anywhere that has a designer store, Any hairdresser. Well, any SES I should say [00:16:30] or cotton on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. OK, so thank you for the interview. Do you have any comments? Um, just to who is going to listen to this? No matter what people say or do to you just believe in yourself. And if you believe in yourself, you can go far. Thank you for the interview. All good. Thank you. George Shane. Person thing. Bye. The full transcription of the recording ends. 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