The title of this recording is "Logan - Q12". It is described as: Logan talks about being young and gay in 2012. It was recorded in Manawatū, Manawatu, Aotearoa New Zealand on the 12th September 2012. The duration of the recording is 17 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Logan talks about being young and gay in 2012. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: In the podcast "Logan - Q12," recorded on September 12, 2012, in Manawatū, New Zealand, Logan discusses personal experiences of growing up as a gay individual in the early 2010s. The conversation covers a variety of subjects ranging from personal interests to sexuality and identity. Logan reveals working full-time, living with a close friend, and volunteering at a local gay bar. The bar is described as a secure, private space that is necessary for the safety and privacy of its patrons. It's characterized as somewhat underground despite being a two-story building, reflecting the need for a discreet haven for the LGBTQ+ community. Logan's hobbies include dancing, dressing up, and designing unique elements such as a swing in the garage for entertainment. When asked about gender and sexual identity, Logan identifies as male and gay but is open to the possibility of being bisexual for the right person. Logan's ethnicity is described as white, with cultural ties to both Australia and New Zealand. When it comes to expression, Logan adapts to the crowd, sometimes appearing camp depending on the social context. The transition to self-acceptance began around the age of 13 when Logan started to question sexuality through exposure to pornography and personal attraction. Coming out was a gradual process beginning as questioning, then identifying as bisexual at 15, and finally identifying as gay at 17. The early years included a period of denial and secrecy, which was especially challenging before widely used social media platforms like Facebook became prevalent. Logan discusses the complex journey of coming out, including being kicked out of home, which led to counseling sessions and reunification with the family. There was initial resistance and hurtful behavior from the parent, who used derogatory language but eventually came to accept Logan, even supporting their drag queen persona by proudly sharing photos with friends. The transformation from rejection to support showcases the evolution of the parent-child relationship amid changing understandings of Logan's identity. While discussing past relationships, Logan reflects on the lack of fulfillment due to not being entirely comfortable with themselves, rather than their sexual orientation. These relationships were brief, with the longest lasting about two months. Meeting people in the LGBTQ+ community happens naturally through networks and social connections. In terms of career, Logan has balanced various interests, including studying chef skills, performing arts, and working full-time. These skills allow for both personal sustenance and creative expression in various settings, including drag performances. Logan’s drag queen name stands out for its originality, avoiding the common sexual innuendos typical in the drag scene. Unfortunately, Logan shares experiences with homophobic incidents, including a recent frightening attempt by a group of individuals to break into the residence due to Logan's sexuality. The podcast sheds light on the struggle individuals may face even within their own homes simply for being who they are. The recording captures an in-depth narrative of Logan's experience and offers insight into the life and challenges faced by a young gay individual in New Zealand during the 2010s. Logan's story highlights personal growth, societal pressures, and the importance of support networks for members of the LGBTQ+ community. The full transcription of the recording follows.  It includes timestamps every thirty seconds in the format [HH:MM:SS].  The transcription begins:  Hello. How are you today? Good. That's good. What's your name? Logan. Ok, Logan, can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Um, I work full time. I'm 22 and I live with one of my best friends and a volunteer for the gay bar. Oh, you volunteer for the gay bar? Yes. Is this the bar that we're in right now? Yes. I looking at the sky bar. [00:00:30] It looks like, um, something that you would see pre-law reform. It is a bit dark and out of the way, but it kind of has to be. Yeah, it's very underground. It's above ground. It's two stories. Well, yeah, but it has to be. It needs to kind of be out of the way for it to be and remain a safe and more private place. Yeah. So, um, what [00:01:00] is your likes and hobbies? My likes and hobbies. I like to dance. I like to dress up, and currently I've set up a swing in my garage to darts around. And when I'm home alone. Yeah, a swing made out of sheets tied to a horizontal pillar. Um, you just have to start to kind of realise it, um, and just hang with their friends road trips or [00:01:30] mundane shit. Really? Yeah, sometimes, yes. So what is your original sex male? What is your gender identity? Male. What is your sexuality? Gay, but potentially bi curious for the right person? Potentially. Right. Um so did you went to the QS a last week? No, no, no, no, no. [00:02:00] Um, what is your culture? Identity? Ethnicity? White, White? Yeah. Australian and New Zealand. And, um, how do you express yourself? Masculine, feminine tomboy dyke. That's females. I twink It depends who I'm around because different people bring out different parts of me. Um, but for the majority, it's [00:02:30] quite camp. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, when did you realise that you were gay? I started questioning at about 13. That's what you mean That you had, like, the light bulb moment. And you were like, I'm attracted to that boy across the road. I'm attracted to Timmy. Now it's more from looking at porn at 13 years of age and discovering that I was looking at the men a lot [00:03:00] more than I was looking at. The women did. You went through a period where you think it was a bisexual. I went two years as what I call questioning, and I didn't tell anyone. And I came out as bisexual at 15. And then I just said I was gay at 17. Because that's more for how camp I am. It was more believable. And it was just easier, mainly. Yeah. So did you work for a denial [00:03:30] period? I think that would have been the first two years. Yeah. And then you kept a secret a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. So are you fully out? Yes. Yeah. To everybody. Yes. What was that, like coming out of the closet? Um, well, it was kind of just like I told a few people, and then from there, it kind of got passed on to more people. And then it just got to the stage where I just lost track of her new. So I just fucking [00:04:00] Yeah, I was just like, this was long before Facebook. Um, my It would have been before MySpace. I think MySpace was before, but, um, it was just kind of like a Oh, yeah. I just admit it to anyone. It's not my fault. Not my problem. Everybody is sad. Yeah, your response is not my fault. Who was the first person you told my best friend at the time? Tessa, What was [00:04:30] your reaction? I know, and that was pretty much the reaction from everyone else. How about your parent? Um, I was kicked out for a while. You were kicked out. Yeah. So I moved in with my friend for a couple of weeks, and then there were a series of meetings with me and my mom and counsellors. I ended up going back home eventually. Yeah. Yeah. So [00:05:00] was there a bit of an argument before Yes or what? Sort of things were said, Um, this was a while ago, but she just Yeah, it was just disgusting and apparently quite shocking to her. But she's she would have known for a lot longer, because ever since I was, like, seven, she would ask me and just sit down and be like, Are you gay? Because if you are, I just need to know. And I just had no idea what that meant. So I just said No [00:05:30] III. I know. Yeah. So after that, what? Um, after that, what happened? Um, so I moved out for a bit and then came back in for a bit and it was just quite on edge. Um, she had a bit of a drinking problem, so and I was quite. I was getting more and more confident in who I was and deciding [00:06:00] what I wanted and what I didn't want and try more outrageous clothing and things. And her nickname for me was transgender cunt face, which sticks with me till now. Um and now I am a drag queen and she buys me false eyelashes and happily shows my pictures to all her friends. So now it's a bit different. Now it's completely different. Um, she's [00:06:30] kind of grown out of that, and she's just kind of realised. It's like, Well, this is still my son. I love him anyway, and it's kind of like the best of both worlds having a son and a daughter as you do. So when did that moment happened? When um, she did the whole um realising that he's still my son? Um, well, I would have always She she would. She would always knew, [00:07:00] obviously, but it was just kind of hard as like how? Because you have to understand from the parents' point of view like it's quite tough for them, as it's as to almost as tough for the child who's questioning and coming out and going through all the bullying. But now the parent is gonna also suffer the bullying and also has to kind of mourn for their son. And because [00:07:30] that's not who they're gonna be, who they imagined and that they're not gonna get the grandchildren as they had planned. And it's not. It's a completely new life planned out for their son, and they have to realise one. And they kind of understand what they're gonna have to deal with as well. And it's just it wouldn't be nice for anyone, but she started to actually get, like, to be more my friend than anything else when I was [00:08:00] about, uh, 17. 18, and then it didn't actually fully work out until I was about 1920. Hm? Did you have a moment where you didn't forgive her for the things that she did? Yeah, I've had a few, but then mine and my [00:08:30] mum's life story goes way before my own sexuality story. So I there's already a lot of things on her that I can't. I can't say that you're the bad person when she's had a hard time as well. Like, it's like a two way street car. Yeah, like she may have been real rude and hurtful [00:09:00] and things and may have led me to do things that I shouldn't have. But her response is not my fault. And she's fully entitled to that. All right, so, um, you have a support system, don't you? I have a huge support system. You have your own little fan club? Practically. I know they're incredible. I love them. Um, it's like your [00:09:30] group. Yeah, I don't actually see them all that often, so I think it might be a little bit misleading because they just get really excited when they do see me. Um, I take it you talk about my babies. Everybody's your babies. No, I've I've only got four babies. Um, what was the question? Um, you have a support system? Yes. Support system. Everyone needs a support system. And it's [00:10:00] it's not really a question of trying to extent that it can. You do? You do have a Yes, I do. Yeah. So you're Dragway Blades. I like that. There's actually originality of that because most of the drag queens are quite have, like a a sexual innuendo on it. Like, kind of like she need a good one. Or Clara, will my finger do what? She's from? Christchurch [00:10:30] testicle. And every so often, you get the whole roller blades. Roller blades. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. Especially in. Yeah. Yeah. So with the divine and Ruby dick and Vera Charles? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just glam it up. Yeah. Yeah, the blades. So, have you been in relationships before? Not many. Not many. No. How many have you been in? [00:11:00] About for? Can you tell us about some? Um Well, I think the way to sum up all of them is that I was never really happy with any of them because I was never fully happy with myself because nothing to do with sexuality. It's just that I'm still young, and I still have [00:11:30] to figure out what I want for me to find what I wanted. You were ready for it. Yeah. So I Yeah, single happy. When was the last relationship? When? Yeah. Oh, it's like, fully fledged one. I have no idea. I don't really care. How long did the relationships last? Not very long. My longest was like two months. And it was just kind of like, I [00:12:00] just your breath clean cash. Um, it's just not really something that's ever kind of fallen into my lap. And I've never really beat myself up about it. It's whatever. What's the best you're gonna find in Palmers North anyway? I've already got myself. I can't. Anything from there is a grade, So I kidding. Um, [00:12:30] how do you meet people in the community? Um, you just you just find people. You just know people who know people and meet other people such as me knowing Daniel in the closet space operations that I would come across you and same thing, I go to another friend's house and they're like, Oh, this is my gay friend. Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, girl story. [00:13:00] Um, you just they're easy to spot Generally, Um, they just yeah, just they just turn up, turn up. So you don't really look for them, don't you? You don't really look for other people that has come to you? No, like, it's just like I've got plenty of good people around me. as it is. And I don't really need to actively hunt for more when [00:13:30] it's kind of hard enough to spend my time with the people that I've already got. So I don't really care if I do find people that I meet and I've got great first impressions. Um, then chances are I'll probably find another way to catch up with them. Yeah, you're a busy boy then. Yeah. Yeah. So do you do anything else apart from being volunteering at the bar or drag queen? Um, well, yeah, Like working [00:14:00] full time. I've finished studying, um, that I've studied chef performing arts in hospital. Um, that's a That's a good mix. Performing arts. Yeah, Well, I I did performing arts first, and then I had to do because every actor makes Latos. And then it was just kind of like I got to do the chef and course just so I can feed myself. It's like I can perform, but you need to eat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:14:30] I. I meant to learn how to eat. Um well, I knew how to eat. I need to know how to cook. Um, and then other things. Like I'll do what I call straight shows. I'll do the like musicals at the Abbey and things, um, taking up ballet because I've got some friends that do that. So it's another way to socialise and have a good stretch and shit. My ankles are tough. Um hm. [00:15:00] I can't think. Yeah, just things turn up. You do them. What is your definition of virginity? Your own opinion. Hm. Like it's your personal opinion. I don't think I have an opinion. In a way, it's no, like no right or wrong answer. It's what you think of it. Well, our [00:15:30] A while ago, I used to have this, like, huge idea of virginity. And it's like, Well, you've got your boy virginity and you've got your girl virginity. Um, and then with boy virginity, you got two. Because you can have 62 ways. Um, so I can either be them or it could just I've never considered like, oral sex or mutual masturbation. Anything to lose a virginity. And it would have to be full of vaginal or anal intercourse [00:16:00] to take your V blades. Have you ever received any abuse or abusive behaviour because of your sexuality or gender identity learning like, Yes. You can write a book on it. I could. Good name an example. Um OK, I'll take you a couple of weeks back. I was at home, Um, [00:16:30] I was in my garage just listening to music and reading a book on my laptop, and some people came outside the garage and tried getting in, and I remained real quiet. They left and they came back with more and banging on the sides. And they knew that two gay people lived in the house, but they didn't know who we were. They just knew what we were. And they thought it was disgusting. And they wanted in while I was in there. So that was my latest one. That was It's just [00:17:00] stupid people that that's really Yeah, it was. Yeah. Well, thank you for the interview. Thank you. That's great. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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