The title of this recording is "Josh - Q12". It is described as: Josh talks about being young and gay in 2012. It was recorded in Auckland, Aotearoa New Zealand on the 2nd July 2012. The duration of the recording is 15 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Josh talks about being young and gay in 2012. Josh talked to Ben during the Hui Putahi, held at Tapu te Ranga Marae in Wellington, 7-10 July. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: In the podcast "Josh - Q12", recorded in Auckland, New Zealand in 2012, Josh delves into the experience of being a young individual who identifies as gay during the decade of the 2010s. Originally from South Africa and residing in New Zealand for four years, Josh is engaged in event management and wedding planning while studying architecture. They express a mixed heritage which includes Irish ancestry and discuss various aspects of personal identity, including gender, sexuality, and cultural identity, the latter being characterized as spiritual rather than religious. Throughout the conversation, Josh recounts the early realization of their sexuality at the age of nine after an exploratory experience involving imitation of content found in a heterosexual adult film. This led to a brief period of identifying as bisexual before accepting a gay identity. Josh reflects on this time as one of confusion and internal conflict, highlighting the challenges of self-discovery in their formative years. The transition from South Africa to New Zealand was pivotal for Josh. In New Zealand, there is a noted contrast in the level of openness about sexuality and the presence of gay movements and prides, which vary greatly depending on location. Josh's personal coming-out process began with family at the age of 13 and gradually extended to friends over the years. They found it easier to be open about their identity in the university environment, which was more accepting compared to their school experiences. During the candid discussion, Josh shares insights into their social life and supports system, acknowledging the welcoming and secure atmosphere of the Family Bar in Auckland, where they're a regular and well-known figure. While acknowledging rumors of the venue's unsafety and the presence of underage individuals, Josh insists on its inclusivity and the establishment's active monitoring of potential risks. Friendships and relationships are pivotal themes within the conversation, with Josh's personal narrative disclosing experiences with both online and local relationships, some developing into meaningful connections while others remain casual. Having had several relationships of varying durations and intensity, they have a clear sense of what they desire in a partner. Josh also delves into views on virginity and meeting potential partners, contrasting an early loss of virginity with the view that it should be a special experience shared with someone special. They also discuss using dating platforms, such as Grindr and Just Guys, to connect with others, both locally and internationally. The podcast also touches on more somber topics such as abuse, both in a past relationship and as a reaction to their sexuality and strong sense of self. Josh openly shares experiences of confrontations and the importance of standing up against intolerance. The full transcription of the recording follows.  It includes timestamps every thirty seconds in the format [HH:MM:SS].  The transcription begins:  Hello. How are you today? I'm great. Now you're sick. Yeah. Yeah, he got a bit of a cold stuff. He knows it's OK. I'm feeling the same way. So can you tell us a little bit about yourself? Well, from South Africa originally I've lived in New Zealand for four years. Um, I do events management and wedding planning as my job. And I'm studying architecture. You look a bit irish. Uh, yeah. I do have Irish blood from my grand [00:00:30] my grandpa's side. So Dad's side? Yeah, you're short and you're a bit of a knob. And also you've got green glitter for you. Um leprechaun? Yeah. Leprechaun. Yeah, it's my pot of gold. It's your pot of gold. You jump up and, like, click your heels together. Oh, yeah, Totally. Seriously. I said no. I was waiting for that. We could do like a video or do a video [00:01:00] and put it on the website. Sorry to disappoint. Damn. Um OK. So how old are you? I am 20 years old. 20 years old? Yeah, 20 years old, 20 years old? Yes. What is your sex? My sex are male. What is your gender identity? My gender identity is male. Male? What is your sexuality? Gay. What is your cultural identity? [00:01:30] No, no, no. What culture do you Oh, culture? I don't really have one. I'm kind of like spiritual. Yeah. Not religious. Not religious at all. God, far from it. No pun intended. Um um what is How do you express yourself? Um, Max? Um no, kind of. I don't know. Am I straight acted? [00:02:00] No, no, I'm not, So yeah, I. I don't know. I'm kind of a good mix. Feminine, masculine in between. In between. Yeah, Yeah. Kind of like me anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So when did you realise that you're fabulously gay? Um, when I was nine, Actually, that's a good start. Yeah. What happened? Uh, young age experience. [00:02:30] Um Oh, yeah. Would you like to, um, elaborate? Not really. Unless you'd like to. Yes, please. Ok, found a porno and copied. Except I was with a guy. That's why did you find a gay porno or found a straight porno? And you experimented on whatever we could. [00:03:00] I'm guessing you experience it on, like, your friends or something like that. Yeah, Exactly. That's the things that people actually do these days. Um anyway, Um, how did you feel when you realise, Bit confused. I had a stage where I was by, um and then very, very quickly Stepped out of it, Kind of slapped myself and said, Ok, well, I'm gay and I'm here. So you went through a denial? Yeah, pretty much. How [00:03:30] long was that sage? Uh, probably about a year. Yeah. So I knew I was. I was definitely gay by Ted 11, but I was the Yeah, it was a bit of an internal conflict. Did you understand all that when you were at that age? Um, not really. Although I didn't know what I wanted. So you did what you, ma for my age of marriage. So when [00:04:00] were you living in South Africa? At the time, or Yeah, I was. Yeah. So it was more of a play date. That kind of went to a little adult. They open about sexuality in South Africa. Um, it depends where you are. Yeah, there is a huge, huge gay movement in South Africa where they do gay pride and huge masquerades, street runs and things like that. But then there are other places where it's shown upon and I'm sure you've heard of, [00:04:30] like, the Uganda kind of stuff and yeah. So, yeah, it's it's hard to say. When have you? When did you move to New Zealand? I? I moved to New Zealand. And four years ago. Uh, 2008, 2000, 9. 2000. 9. 2009. There we go. Four years ago. 2008. That's five years is a bit off. Yeah. Do they teach that in? [00:05:00] I'm kidding. I did much better at maths. Yeah, I think that's because our our students are quite stupid. Um, So when did you come out? When did I come out? Well, yes, I am out. I came out to my family when I was 13, and I came out to my friends actually, three years ago, or I've actually slowly been telling people [00:05:30] as I go along. Yeah, as of two years. No. Three years ago, I kind of just come out. Yeah. Would you like to loud, loud and proud. Would you like to expand on that? What actually happened? How did you tell them? Um, I I kind of told, uh Well, when I got here, I had finished school I'd already matriculated, so it was a little easier because I didn't have to go through the school thing. Uh, and that's a bit of a click. So yeah, [00:06:00] much harder. But once I had moved into the UD stage, it was much easier to tell people, because obviously there's a whole lot. There's there's a whole lot of people like me at uni, so it's not as everyone's fabulous, everybody's fabulous and everybody's got their own identity. Yeah, so yeah, so that's kind of how it happened. So it was just a lot easier at that stage. Or at that later stage, what was the main reactions? Did you get about, um, being [00:06:30] openly gay, a lot of my girlfriends? Because I didn't really have a lot of guy friends. To be honest, the only real guy friends that I had was because I did. I did Jeb a lot. Yeah, I love I love a gay boy doing gym. I love weights. I'm a weight trader. Ah, those types of gay boy. There's either the awkward gay boy or the muscular gay boy that checks out other [00:07:00] guys. Exactly. Which one were you? I'm not 100% sure I don't want to say anything. That would sound bad. I think it's more the muscular gay boy checking out other flat it. So, Yeah, I'm really into that. So, um yeah, so that I, I still kind of keep it a bit promiscuous and a bit and a bit to the side. I don't openly run it and say, Hey, I'm gay kind of thing. But skipping your step? Yeah, or skipper [00:07:30] by step kind of thing. I just keep a PC if someone asks me. Yeah, I'm gay. So, you know, like, have a tattoo across it. Yeah, exactly. It was a rainbow flag. I mean, I want to walk into gym with full makeup on. Oh, that's actually quite interesting. So, like to self do that later. So yeah, that's that's really how how I've adjusted to the community and yeah, it's been much easier [00:08:00] since I moved to New Zealand. Yeah. What's, um, family, like for you or K Road? I should say, um, family bar. It's my home. Everybody knows me. I'm a huge regular. Ah, I know all the all the cross dresses and all the trad, all the drag queens, all the exactly. Yeah, and they all know me by first name, so yeah, I'm out and proud when I'm there. [00:08:30] There, I wear a site. So, um, there's been a lot of rumours saying that K Road or, um, family bar is actually quite dangerous. Um, I wouldn't say that I would. I wouldn't say that at all. I love family. I feel 100% secure there. Um, it's where I can be exactly who I want to be. I don't have to worry about any repercussions. And everybody accepts everybody. [00:09:00] Yeah, it's just a great environment. I love it. And another thing is that family bar attracts a lot of underage people as well. It does, Um, but I think that that's monitored and considered. So I think. And I don't think that there's well to my experience. I don't think that there's anybody that's out to find underage people, um, and put them in a dangerous situation. So, yeah, I think it's a pretty safe environment, even with those risks. [00:09:30] Yeah. So do you have a lot of support? Do I have a lot of support? Yes, I do. Is a huge fan of mine. She like your little fag hag. Oh, yeah, Totally. Is she the same height as you, or Yes, she is. So I literally little fag. Exactly a little fag hag. Um, yeah, but she's kind of like rock. I could go and tell her anything. You should get her to join P flag. I should. And she would happily join. Yeah, So, alongside [00:10:00] my mother, I was like, Oh, after this, I'll have to grab something. Yes. So, um, where was I? So you've been in relationships before? Yes. I've been in four relationships before. Uh, well, long term relationships. Uh, two of them were online. Um, and I kind of flew back and forth, didn't work out. Don't think I'd ever do a long distance relationship again. Uh, yeah. Just too depressing. Um, and yeah, I've [00:10:30] had two other relationships, just not the right people, but we've stayed friends. How long did they all lasted? Um, the two. Well, the first online relationship was my longest relationship, which is a year and a half. Um, but that was long distance to Miami. So very long distance. Um, yeah. Use a pot of gold. Yeah, exactly. The rainbow over to my throw. My pot of gold at Air New Zealand fly over. Um, [00:11:00] so, yeah, that's pretty much how my bank ended up, but, um, yeah, after that, I had another one for six months. Um, just didn't turn out. Um, wasn't the person I wanted to be with. Um and then I've had two others, which had just been more casual, more open. Yeah. Um, I just Yeah, we've just decided it's just we'd rather be friends. Were they, like, a couple of months or a couple of weeks kind of thing? Uh, yeah, the [00:11:30] last two. The last one was three months and actually from a person that I met at Family Bar. Um, and the previous one was a seven month relationship. So Yeah. So a bit of time? Yeah. I wouldn't say that I'm a person practically married. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I do have experience in relationships, and I know exactly what I want. So until I find it, they'll just be [00:12:00] long periods of time. Yeah, People are looking for your pot of gold. Exactly. Um, so what is your definition of virginity? My definition of virginity O. Well, I lost one at nine. So So, um How would you? Yeah. So, uh, virginity, uh, it's it's a special thing. I kind of regret that I lost mine at, uh I would have rather done it with [00:12:30] someone a lot more special. Someone that I knew a whole lot more. Not that a first grade kind of friend wasn't someone that I knew for a very long time, but we had play dates for years, but still, it just wasn't the same kind of connection. So, yeah, virginity is just a special thing, and people should hold on to it. So how do you meet other people? How do I meet other people? I dance. So you just go of [00:13:00] of of of Oh, hello towards me? Yeah. It's like, Hello. How's it going? Yes. Yes, you go. No, I don't find you attractive. Go away. Born this way. It's kind of a combination. It's dancing. And then there was smoking in my rest Break between dancers and yeah, stop smoking for three weeks. Yeah. So yeah, it's still going, So yeah, the [00:13:30] only smoking you get is the smoke that's in the family bar. Yeah. Yeah, I do get asphyxiated every now and then, but not about the smoke raids. I hate that thing. Sorry. So, um, you also make people a grinder? I do. I do. I love to see what's out there. Who's out there? I've mainly made a lot more friends on grinder than I have. Um, found anybody? Uh, [00:14:00] yeah, I've not one before. One night stands. I don't think. Do you use other sites? Do I use other sites? I have been on other sites I've been on. OK, Cupid. I've been on just guys. I'm still a frequent visitor on just guys, but that's mainly because I have lots of friends overseas. So, you know, I've never heard of those two websites before. Just guys dot Net. It's the greatest website for overseas relationships, Not NZD or bed. Really easy to use. Um, [00:14:30] no, because it's more of a Facebook kind of thing. So you've got a full on profile, You don't have just a single page kind of thing, and you can add it and update it. Yeah, it's kind of like a yeah, a dating site with the model of Facebook kind of thing, so yeah, OK, keep it. Not so much. Not too much of a fan but I don't want to bash it. So So, um, have you experienced city abuse? Uh, yes. In my first relationship. Uh, more mental [00:15:00] abuse and Yeah, Cheating. Yeah. So, about anything else because of your sexuality, uh, I have I have experienced a lot of Well, I'm very, uh, people stealing your pot of gold. I'm very loud, and I'm very bolshy. And if someone says something that offends me, I'll tell them that it offends me. So I generally initiate something that turns into something bigger. [00:15:30] So there has been a lot of incidents, uh, where I have gotten into fights, I guess, with people who don't tolerate other people or they make stupid comments that they have no idea about. So my pot of gold? Yeah, exactly. Oh, thank you for that. If you no worries. Thanks. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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