The title of this recording is "Jamie - Q12". It is described as: Jamie talks about being young and gay in 2012. It was recorded in Whanganui, Manawatū on the 16th August 2012. The duration of the recording is 14 minutes, but this may not reflect the actual length of the event. A list of correctly spelt content keywords and tags can be found at the end of this document. A brief description of the recording is: In this podcast Jamie talks about being young and gay in 2012. The content in the recording covers the 2010s decade. A brief summary of the recording is: The abstract below summarizes a podcast recording titled "Jamie - Q12," featuring a personal narrative of a young individual from Whanganui, Manawatū, discussing their experiences with their sexual identity in the social context of Aotearoa New Zealand in the 2010s. During the 14-minute recording made on August 16, 2012, the speaker, Jamie, shares reflections on being identified as gay and the journey to self-realization and acceptance. The discussion reveals that Jamie did not always recognize their sexual orientation, realizing it more fully at the age of 20, despite societal cues earlier in life suggesting a non-heteronormative identity. As a karate black belt, Jamie talks about using martial arts not only as a form of self-defense and an interest but also as a means to navigate through challenges related with gender identity, including familial resistance. Jamie expresses a flamboyantly gay identity, resisting traditional masculine or feminine labels, explaining that the realization of their sexual orientation was a personal awakening rather than a gradual process. This personal phenomenon was accompanied by a sense of mental clarity and acceptance. The podcast delves into the social dynamics encountered by Jamie, touching on themes of prejudice, acceptance, and self-expression. When discussing growing up in a culture where significant impact by social norms is highlighted, Jamie recounts facing non-supportive attitudes from a family member and broader community experiences suggestive of common cultural attitudes in New Zealand. Despite these experiences, Jamie exhibits confidence and resilience, speaking on living authentically out in both personal and professional realms. Regarding professional life, Jamie speaks candidly about the nonchalance towards others' opinions in the workplace, the impact of Jamie's presence on colleagues, and using the given platform to challenge and shift attitudes towards the LGBTQ+ community. The narrative also explores the contrast in acceptance levels between different cities within New Zealand, with Whanganui being characterized as conservative compared to other more accepting locales like Wellington and Auckland. Jamie touches on difficulties in dating and relationships within less accepting environments. Interactive moments throughout the recording underscore the light-hearted nature of the conversation, including a playful attempt at using a deeper voice and Jamie's humorous approach to confronting societal expectations. The podcast closes by addressing Jamie's plans for future relocation to a more culturally accepting area and discussion on the positive steps being taken by institutions such as having a space termed the Rainbow Room in the Parliament for LGBTQ+ individuals and allies. The full transcription of the recording follows.  It includes timestamps every thirty seconds in the format [HH:MM:SS].  The transcription begins:  Hello. How are you today? Hi. I'm good. Thank you. So you're 20. I always say that I'm 18, and I think I can get away with it. Do you get away from it? I do. I do get away with it because I don't know. It's just the way I hold myself, I guess. Do you have interest about hobbies? Um, well, I'm a black belt in karate, so I teach karate. No. Oh, well, you know, I just it's about like, I'm also defending myself, you know? [00:00:30] You're sure you can I'll probably get pissed off with a lot of people. But, you know, I don't care how angry I get and go and hit somebody, you know? I mean, like, growing up, you know? Um, no, they're very good. Oh. It's just weird. Like, um sorry. Like growing up would be like, you know, Dad wasn't so appreciative of what I who I am and, you know, like, probably like, you know, you know, and like, knock you around a bit And, you know, which is kind of, [00:01:00] you know, I think is quite common in New Zealand culture. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, What is your original sex? Male Male. And what is what is your gender identity? And what is your culture? Identity and what is And what is your sexuality? Gay. Flamboyantly gay, Flamboyantly gay. Which answers my next question. How do you express yourself? [00:01:30] What do you mean? Like, how do you, um masculine, feminine transvestite. It's just so funny Because, like, you know, I think like, I always liked boys. Like I've always, like, kind of like boys, but I like, like, kind of like girls, but not as much as girls, because you, um it wasn't until I got a little bit older that I kind of actually like, you know, it's like a mental thing, like, you wake up and you're like, Hi, I'm gay. And that's just how it [00:02:00] is, you know, And like, that's kind of what happened to me. Like it was kind of like, you just wake up and I was like, Oh, I'm gay. You know, you just kind of like sense of mental realisation that this is this is who I am, and this is what I'm going to be. So Yeah. So that was pretty cool. When did you realise I think, um, like, I'm 22 now, but I think I realised, like, when when I was, like, 20 or something. I actually [00:02:30] realised that Well, you know, like, I'm actually like gay, But I didn't really think about it when I was, like, 18 19. So, yeah, I didn't really think about it then. But, like, now that I'm more of an adult and, you know, going out to clubs and stuff and, you know, just scanning the room and what you're into. It's like like there'll be a girl and there'll be a guy. My eyes go straight to the guy, you know? So, [00:03:00] yeah. Um, So when you were in high school, you didn't think about it? No, I didn't really think about it as such. Like, I didn't even actually realise it. Then I was just Yeah, but guys and guys and girls would be like, Oh, you're gay. You're there. You're like I was like, Hm. No, I'm just flamboyant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one. I just Yeah, I'm just Yeah, as you say Metro. Totally so, Yeah, [00:03:30] until you became much older and you start having the attractions and you realise, like you just wake up? You just wake up out of bed one day, and you're like, Oh, my God, I like boys. You know, it's pretty funny. Can I just Can you try and make a deep voice? Oh, I do this one all the time. Hey, guys, what's up? My name's Jamie. Oh, my God. It's so funny. Yeah, but I think you can still pass away as a gay male from their Yeah, totally. But like, [00:04:00] it's so funny because I'll be on the phone and they be like, Who is this? Is this Jamie? And I'd be like, Look, it's me. And they were like, Oh, my God, So you know, it's pretty funny. I do that to some of the customers at work as well, and they're like, Oh, my God, who was that? You know, they're like, Who is that here? And I was like, It was me. It was just me and this voice that that's completely different. I totally right. I mean, [00:04:30] it was just like and then they were like, Oh, is that your natural voice? And I was like, No, no, no, no, no. That's like that's just my man voice that has a crack out. Everyone gets cracked up every time they hear her because they're like, Oh, well, that didn't even sound like her. I was like, Yeah, no. Right. So, um, are you out? Oh, totally out. Totally out. I also used to wear, like, a lot of makeup. I mean, I still do wear a lot of makeup, like the eyes and the mascaras [00:05:00] and all that kind of stuff. And, you know, um so, yeah, I was Yeah, I've been out for, like, a couple of years now, like, yeah, I was like and I was like, Yeah, but because I work in such a I think working in such a such a job, like I have to be equipped to deal with, you know, not just kind of those the other people, but I have to be dealing with, like, customers as well, [00:05:30] like their people. So I realise that, like, even though I'm gay, I think the job has helped me to adapt, to be, like, have a more of a tough kind of look after myself kind of type, you know? So, yeah. So, um, so how does it affect your work being openly gay. Um, I just tell it how it is. Like Like I know, just, like forgive [00:06:00] me things, so But I just don't really give a shit. I don't give a fuck what people say. Did you pause that? No. Oh, it's so funny. You're allowed to say whatever you like. Oh, I love it. Um, you know, So I just kind of like I just don't give a shit. You know, if you don't like it, then maybe you shouldn't work here. Then, you know, So I'm not going anywhere, so I think I, I think I, um like, I think I've even changed some people's perspective just [00:06:30] by working with me. Like I remember, like, a couple of years ago. And even, like still today, like, some of the workers are like, Oh, my God, He's so gay. Ra ra ra. Oh, my God. And then they'll work with me, and they'll realise that I'm not actually like a like a bad person. You know, I'm not even into you. Like how you know, don't even flatter yourself to even think that. I think that you're so hot that I'm gonna you know, go there with you. so it was pretty. [00:07:00] So the customers have Have they been all right with it? Um or do you do the tours at all? Yeah, all the time. I'm always up there and, um, yeah, they don't They don't care, because I'm gonna be so conservative like when they see me doing that kind of thing. They're like, Oh, my God, Not to him and all that kind of stuff, you know? So it's like, um yeah, because is just so conservative. A lot of people are saying that that is [00:07:30] very conservative. It is. It really is. I mean, you don't you know, just in terms of being, like, even like, being different, like people who are, like, you know, like Bogans or something, or people who have bright coloured dreadlocks or, you know, anything that's different from the normal normality of that. Um, city is just, you know, they they look at it as if it's a taboo kind of thing, you know, But like whereas in, like, [00:08:00] Wellington or Auckland or Palmerston, even it's quite acceptable to, I don't know, walk around and do that kind of thing, you know, or hold hands with a guy or a girl, you know, so yeah. Yeah. So, um, that Oh, my God, that lighting is really bad. Sorry. Yeah, like hurting your eyes all afternoon. It's I guess there must be, like, 100 watts or something of [00:08:30] that. Have you been in a relationship before? I have and like Like, it's not even long, but I mean, it's like, I don't know, 68 months. Is that your only? Yeah. But, I mean, I'm thinking that that's just because, like, I'm in and like, if I had went to Auckland or Wellington, I'd have a boy straight away or a string of boys. I think you know. So, um, that's why it's [00:09:00] been pretty hard to get, um, boyfriends in this town And also because they're like assholes in this town, and, you know, they're not very nice to look at. So, like, I want a man that's, like, really strong and tough and, you know, maybe not for you. You just what's your time? Oh, I can't say that in this interview. Really? Oh, my God. OK, um, so yeah, that's have you had with [00:09:30] your relationship? Yeah. Have you dated anyone else? Um, we've been on a date with anybody else? Uh, yeah, only one guy, though. It's pretty, it's pretty awkward because we, you know, we just don't know. Like there's a thing like even in straight relationships. I don't know what they're doing, you know, they're quite nervous. So I think it's kind of going on like a first date or a date of any kind is kind of a bit. It's universal [00:10:00] way you take it to McDonald's. He's like, we're going to McDonald's for our dad. I'm like, Fuck up. Let's go to Burger King. He's like It would be funny if I worked at McDonald's and he worked at Burger King Love at first sight like, OK, compromise. Let's go to KFC. So it was like, um, Romeo and Juliet. I'm I can be Adam and Steve. Adam. So you Arthur or Martha [00:10:30] Hello? I have, um how do you meet other people in the community? Um well, I kind of made up my mind, like like because I Because I know that it's and I'm not going to be here for, like, much longer, maybe like another. I don't know. 6 to 8 months saving up to like to get away from this. Hello. So you know, where are you going to go? Well, well, totally. [00:11:00] Politics, politics, politics. So, you know, in parliament they have a rainbow room. Was it room in that context? Well, it's a room. That is for people who are gay or not. Queer or queer, Friendly to go to and hang out. Really? Like, um, yeah, Well, generally the Rainbow Youth. Yeah. Generally it was for [00:11:30] the Rambo room is for schools, you know, for school, queer groups with the gay people where people can hang out. But they have one in the Parliament. Oh, my God. I think it's so great. I have no idea. I don't think a few months ago, so Oh, my God. I still want to go I. I think I'm going in a couple of months anyway, so Oh, my God. You have to, like, take pictures. I mean, I think it's so great. I've never heard of a [00:12:00] rainbow, let alone in a parliamentary building. Someone died. Um, what is your definition of virginity? Virginity? I don't know. Like, that's a weird one. First thing. Oh, my first. Are you asking about my first thing? No, No, No. What is your definition? So how do you define virginity? [00:12:30] Hm? Um, I don't know. Like, maybe the first time you do it with someone, I think the first time you do it with someone. And you have your virginity? Um, yeah, I think it's always you can always remember it. Do you remember? Yours can remember their first time or when they lost their virginity. So, yeah, Unless you're very drunk that night. Oh, of course. And then it doesn't count. [00:13:00] You remember? Oh, yeah. And plus, if you can't remember your first time, then are you sure it even happened? Absolutely. Of course. Of course. So have you experienced or gotten any abusive behaviour because of your sexuality? Um, sure, I have. Like, um, like, when I was like, a kid growing up, um, going to a Maori school like Maori oriented school. It was [00:13:30] like, um, you know, it wasn't pretty. It was pretty, pretty horrible there because, you know, you've got, like, all these Maori boys there, and they're like, What the fuck are you doing? And they're like, you know, you shouldn't act like that, You know, um, I think like again my job comes into play with that because I, you know, deal with people like that all day. But instead of my sexuality, it's burgers or something. And they had, like, they had a fry missing from [00:14:00] the order. And, you know, like, I think a kind of a fry. Oh, you know, like fries now, like, what you going to say? You have a bunch of fries and they had a bunch of fries, and they had one fry. Oh, da da. You, um, so, yeah, but now I just I just really don't care, because, I mean, there's this new confidence that I found now that because I'm like, I'm leaving this [00:14:30] town to go to a a better, more accepting town, you know? But at the same time, I don't want to leave. I just want to push this in their face. You know, I just wanna like here I am, be like, Yeah, And, like, shove that in their face and that just, you know, um, so, yeah, it's pretty fun. Yeah. So thank you for the interview. Oh, you're welcome. Nice to meet you. The full transcription of the recording ends. A list of keywords/tags describing the recording follow. These tags contain the correct spellings of names and places which may have been incorrectly spelt earlier in the document. 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