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Des and John - Queer History in the Making

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in [00:00:05] Alright, well, I'm john and my partner here is [00:00:09] delighted that this event is taking place. I really think it's important to New Zealand that a national institution such as the National Library, and hopefully they were very, very lucky. But, you know, the gay community and the lesbian community has worked to get this far. And the evidence is all around us. We're in a room now with lots of posters from the past magazines from the past, identifying the some of the struggles, and the history to do with HIV discrimination. [00:00:37] We've always supported visibility. And this is a good example of visibility and awareness in our community, not just for gays, lesbians, but also for the world at large. And I think with the present climate of today, we're things that are more open. But Canada, sometimes a state like that. And I think this is a great help to, I should never forget [00:01:07] friend while doing Law Reform campaign, to the to these vigilance and visibility being absolutely essential. And I think those two these remain as pertinent today as they did. [00:01:20] So we're in a room full of posters, to these bring back memories we [00:01:24] just looked at devotion posts are no devotion booklet over there with an article on me and [00:01:33] how many years ago? Yeah, and it quite a few. Quite a [00:01:38] lot of memorabilia. Yes. And you know, particularly we were to the wedding of AJ and Thomas, and they're showing up in this magazine that is here. And it's such a pity that no, like most weddings, or many weddings, rather, that one fell apart. And, you know, in that case, we are no different to the heterosexual community, just as vulnerable, just as fickle perhaps. [00:02:06] I'm not sure if I've talked to you post your wedding at the quarry century. How did that go? [00:02:12] Oh, that was [00:02:14] another one. The southern Southern law stayed. It was like a theater from go to work. And it was it was super glass. well organized. [00:02:27] Good company. We had diapers hostess and Amanda lavor. She was absolutely stunning. And she kept the party rolling and entertained. The whole thing was not a joy, and very memorable. And it just forced us to have another 10 week honeymoon overseas. Was the honeymoon. The honeymoon. We started off in the United States. Stay with friends. Then we went to Paris for three weeks wanders around France and love inspiring and yes, as one does. [00:03:00] When we can search us which was a lot of fun. [00:03:04] Go into that. [00:03:07] Game Maker. [00:03:09] You certainly are not a minority there. [00:03:13] You don't see people guys walking down the street hand in hand. I think there are a lot of us who has to find you uncomfortable here despite the progress we have made. [00:03:21] So do you guys work hand in hand in the street? [00:03:25] No, we have no, [00:03:27] not really. [00:03:29] But everybody knows who we are random really loved. It was interesting because the local college Onslow college had a six tool. And a gay guy came along for six. And apparently, we were told by our neighbor's son, who was the class that they mentioned our names and everybody in the class knew who we were. [00:04:00] It's really interesting about those public displays of affection. I mean, do you see many rainbow people in Wellington holding hands or kissing? And [00:04:09] I think you see the sort of kissing on greeting for farewell. But in terms of sort of approach, because you know, and we don't see the holding hands, women seem to be able to do that. But then I think women have always done that whichever persuasion they may be with heterosexual or lesbian. [00:04:28] There's not a lot of heterosexual people who run around hand in hand. So I think if you balance that out, it's not look too bad. [00:04:37] It's not critical. Now demonstrate hand in hand. [00:04:42] Are you talking to me on Gareth? [00:04:45] Just checking. [00:04:47] Now directly behind us I see a poster for the gay and lesbian fear, which must bring back some nice memories. [00:04:54] Well, yes, we are absolutely astonished to find a realize the next year is the 30th end of in those days was so involved was with Pauline and James and setting up the first one. [00:05:07] If it hadn't been for you three, I guess we wouldn't have a third. [00:05:10] Well, it was the second fear when I asked Pauline and James are favored to help out but not fear as it was a success. But they weren't interested. And we had to pay everything at advance. So add my own money, I paid everything and set it all up. I'm a new town school home with a bit of a battle with the headmaster, unfortunately. But there's a woman called Elaine Lethbridge, who used to be in charge of the whole. And she knew it would give them one good fear. And she told me that she went on and she ripped hell out of him and said to these guys, and they get to have their fear no matter what you say. And I didn't know all this was going on. But she was a great supporter. She was she was not only as when she was a, she was a married mom, she had a couple of kids. And she always made sure that we had that fear. [00:06:06] So we're in 2015. So we're coming up to the 30th anniversary of not only the fear, but also homosexual law reform. How have we gone? Do you think over those 30 years, has it improved? And are there things that we need to improve? [00:06:21] I would believe that it's a great deal easier, I think is easier for young people to recognize who they are and to be open about it. Because we have such things as schools out when we have the opportunity for younger people to learn about what it means to be guys, this was mentioning earlier, and I would hope that we get past the bullying stage. There's still problems in schools, there are still homophobia, there's stereotypical perceptions of what it means to be guy, but we'll get there. But I guess there will always be some people who don't understand I want to understand that there is a difference in the community. But it's very, it's really quite a minor one is it to the individual mode, because we were just the only suburban couple getting over their neighbors and others and it's very ordinary to be going in some ways these days, which is nice. [00:07:15] It's interesting when some religious nothing like that woman in America who wouldn't issue licenses and virgin no the community at large, fine that ever Horan and survey short. And this, I can see happens more. Now I do guiding epsilon via good because my first love is about nature and trying to protect the environment and was one of the guide who Vinci his people say are you know, the gay guy. And she really said about save, you know, save a heterosexual guy? Why are you saying the gay guy. But right now, this is visibility. It doesn't worry me. But I rather like the fact that there's someone there who's counting my balls. There's not the totality [00:08:11] of his personality, that it's part of him and important. But the [00:08:15] only problem is that when you know this is happening, and you refer to as the gay God, then you know, you've got to do a good job because you're living down a community. And that does put pressure on you. And but this I think being a minority will always be part of our existence [00:08:38] is that [00:08:41] being in the minority is in fact, there's a strengthening factor that we've had to cope with things that have to understand things and understand ourselves better than some other people understand them. So [00:08:52] everybody's a minority in some ways [00:08:55] into the juice. You're right.

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