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[00:00:01] Are we doing bunting out here? Yeah. Okay, so do you wanna? [00:00:06] So what kind of bunting? Are you going for Belle? [00:00:08] We're going for rainbow. We're going for trans colours. We're going for queer. You know that vibe? Yeah. [00:00:15] Well, can you tell me where we are today? [00:00:17] We are outside St. Peter's village hall and pakka creaky and we are running a pop up prior to vaccination event. [00:00:27] Why is it important to have a specific pride Papa bobbins. [00:00:31] I? Well, for us, it was about just making it really accessible for everybody in our communities. But particularly for trans non binary in tech, a Tapui intersex people who might have you know, their name not correctly recorded on the medical records. So this was like an event where people can feel safe and comfortable that they are going to be gendered and named correctly. So that you know, it's not an embarrassing situation, or traumatic or a distressing situation and a public kind of setting. So we've got understanding stuff, we've got lots of queer people and Paco Cookie Pops has just arrived. Yay, they've got so they made us a whole lot of rainbow ice blocks for our Pride festival, which didn't go ahead this year, of course, because a COVID. And we thought baggy u COVID. We're going to have an event. And we're going to, you know, offload all these wonderful rainbow pop. So do get yourself one, they are free. They're all paid for by the DHB. [00:01:39] Can you reflect back on the state the last year and a half? We're actually has been pretty COVID free within kind of Wellington on the carpet. I mean, what does that been like? And what what do you think will change now that the deltas here? [00:01:52] I mean, you know, I remember last year, in the lockdown how Smoke we felt that we were we had eliminated it, and how free we were watching the rest of the world, going through what we're just about to go through. And I think that's it. It's like we're watching the future, you know, and says, Well, we've stopped watching the news, to be honest, but we've only at the very beginning. So I can only hope that people do kind of reflect on how it might affect their families, their friends, their wider community, and then make some decisions based on that. Because it's here it is here, you know, and it's a matter of time before it spreads. [00:02:33] That's interesting point about just turning off the news. Because actually, I think a lot of people are doing that. Just because actually it's it is really hard to take everyday. Yeah, [00:02:41] absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I sort of choose like I definitely read the spin off. And I read some other articles from The Guardian. It Tangata some, you know, yeah. Alternative kind of stuff. But not to alternative. Yeah. Yeah, but I can't watch the one on screen use anymore. I just It's too, too overwhelming. Yeah. And then you get the stupid, bloody farmers coming in with the groundswell. It's like, there's this whole thing about as everything's become so political, you know, for me, this is a public health issue. It's not political. It's a virus. No, it doesn't. Doesn't care which which one you're on. It's just, it's here, and we need to be safe. Yeah. [00:03:30] So when you think we will be in, say, six months or years time? [00:03:35] It's gonna make definitely in the community, I think we're gonna lose quite a few people. There will be people who will be pretty sick. I mean, it's really encouraging that where 90% of first vaccinations. So there has been, you know, that's wonderful that we have heard that uptake. Yeah. So hopefully, it will just roll that people will just roll with okay, this is a reality. Now. It's here. We've got to do something. And this is not working. You know? Yeah. I mean, vitamins aren't gonna fix it. Yeah, unfortunately, [00:04:12] why was it important for you and pet to be involved in organising today's event? [00:04:20] Gosh, I think, you know, with every year we've run a Pride festival and pica Curriki. And, you know, while we were kind of, like, secretly happy to have a bit of a break, I just felt like, we've missed out on something this year. So, you know, given that the reason that it didn't go ahead was because of COVID We thought, well, let's do something that's actually going to bring people together in a safe way, you know, in the context of COVID situation, so, yeah, and I think, um, you know, we want our queer communities to feel safe and to be safe and Yeah, to be included. And and yeah, all of the health kind of campaigns and stuff. Yeah. [00:05:08] So I've mentioned you soften pit being involved, but but there are others as well. Yeah. Oh, gosh, [00:05:12] she's I mean, we are, you know, Pat and I are part of the piko Kalecki pride Inc, committee that organises the pride festivals. And this year, we've had the most amazing committee as an actual committee, rather than just, you know, acetone, a few other, or Danielle, who does the parade and other people that we've just tagged. And so, so there's us, and there's Capri youth support. So they're here they've provided a vaccinator and admin person. So they're going to do all the kind of the medical, technical stuff, clinical stuff, and then we've got did a piko, clicky. Pops are going to give us free ice blocks in CCD HB. So they made contact with us to say, would we be interested in doing this? And originally, we were going to try and do it over labour weekend instead of the festival. But we didn't have the time because we're there just make contact like the week before. So we're so pleased that we can do this. We just wrapped that it's actually happening. Yeah. [00:06:18] So basically, this has been Marshall from who's standing next to me from Capitol coast. DHB has approached us when we were going to do the Pride festival, to see if we could post a bit donation event that's wrapping around our pride community, especially our transfer No. And just, it's fine. And we decided to just delay it by a few weeks, take it away from the labour labour weekend and delay it by a few weeks. So we're here to basically know the explanation events have happened. And in piko, Curriki, this year, nothing. So everyone's had to go down to Palo Alto. So this is big for the village. These these these a few people on Sure. On vaccination. So it's, it's great that from the DHB approaching us to be able to do this and one of the other Mainstays is Kabaddi youth support. So they've come on board, they're actually going to be vaccinating today and bringing all this stuff, and we're wrapping all our team around it. So yeah, so it's quite big for the village to have this happen. And I mean, we get such a fantastic support with our Pride festival. We're hoping that that will help sort of just start conversations with people. So who knows. And we've got four MPs coming, you have to ask Val about that. She's been sending emails to everybody. So So yeah, so it's quite, it's quite big for the village. Yeah. [00:07:54] So you mentioned some people still unsure about vaccinations? What are the kinds of things that they're unsure about? [00:08:02] I mean, there's so many things, it's probably Marshalls who heard all them. I've heard them from people I know. best mates that I'm sure but I think Marshall is the one probably to roll through the list of of what is making people hesitant. Yeah. Oh, hinge over. [00:08:21] Oh, hi. Um, so I'm the sex and gender diverse engagement lead for the CC DHB and Hutt Valley DHB, for the COVID response. And the things that we've noticed are one, it just sounds scary. People are getting a lot of misinformation. It's been, you know, developed really quickly. And people don't understand that actually, it's been 10 years of research into SARS vaccines. It says mRNA. But that sounds scary. What if it changes my DNA, so there needs to be more information about how it actually works and what it's doing. They think they might get COVID which obviously can't because it doesn't contain any of the virus at all. And also things like, for a lot of people, it's just not high priority. You know, they've busy they're working, particularly if they're young and healthy. They just, you know, it's not that they're anti Vax, but they just don't have time or, you know, they want to put the effort into going to do it. Lots of people, you know, find it difficult to actually access it, you know, they're stuck at home. They're working full time and say a physical job. They know that there's a good chance they'll get sort of just, you know, get minor side effects but just mean they'll feel crappy for a day or so that they can afford to take time off work if that happens. There's just a lot going on. And I think also one of the main things is many people who are pro Vax are being well meaning, and they're just kind of getting quite aggressive towards anti vaxxers, which doesn't actually help. There are completely legitimate reasons to be vaccine hesitant. And the number of people who are truly anti Vax is quite small. And they're, you know, they're addressing these vaccine hesitant people. And we need to actually have properly engaging conversations with everybody. And hopefully, hopefully get people so they can ask their questions get real answers without being labelled as anti Vax, which they're not. [00:10:41] Why do you think it's important to actually have a specific event for Rainbow and gender diverse people? [00:10:49] Well, one reason is particularly trans and intersex people have may have a historically long experience of really bad experiences with the healthcare system, you know, being misgendered, particularly intersex people having, you know, non consensual medical interventions. And I think it's important to say that there is actually people thinking about that we're making sure that, you know, we're going to try and make this a safer space as possible. And I think that even people who aren't available to come to this, the fact that they know there's this event on, they know that there's my position that you know, sex and gender diverse engagement lead, and they know that they can, you know, it helps tell people that they there's someone thinking about it, they can ask questions, they can be supported, you know, we might not always get it right, but we're trying and if we get it wrong, someone's gonna listen. [00:11:48] Do you get a sense? I'm not asking for like specific stats, but do get a sense if rainbow communities are greater or less are vaccinated. [00:11:58] I think it's it's very much depends on the part of the community. And I think that, obviously, the rainbow community is not a single community. And I think there's parts that are probably well represented as vaccination, because there's a you know, a lot of rainbow people are fairly engaged in activism and, you know, fairly progressive, and that tends to go along with pro vaccine. So I think there are people that are very much well vaccinated. But I also think there's people who are particularly disadvantaged, who aren't, aren't engaging with the community very much, who don't have very many supports, either within the rainbow community or within their final or family or friends, communities. And I think those people are underrepresented in vaccinations. And I think, and that's, that's tricky, because that's the group that we need to reach out to. So I know the DHB is doing a lot of engagement with Pacific, with youth, with Maori with disabled people, and really getting those people who are really, really trying to talk to people who are doubly disadvantaged. [00:13:18] If they've been other rainbow vaccination events around the Wellington ritual. [00:13:22] Yeah, there's been two so far. There was one about six weeks ago in the city, that was a low sensory event. And that didn't have very large numbers because it was organised rather last minute. And three weeks ago, there was another one in Lower Hutt. And that was a bit more of a festival kind of thing. There is going to be the follow up the second dose event for that in lower heart. Next Saturday, that's going to be festival with performances. It's also not just a vaccination event, it's a community health info day. So there's going to be info about sort of sexual health info about accessing gender affirming health care. info about general health and services like the youth one stop shop, vibe out there. And entertainment, there's going to be drag performers. Kapa haka. Some, I think there's going to be some Cook Island dancers and a whole and karaoke. So a whole range of entertainment and things like that and make it be a bit more of a festival and we had quite a good turnout for that. The first first one of that, so hopefully we get people coming in for their second doses. [00:14:39] Can you tell me about how today is going to how it's going to work? [00:14:44] So we're going to get set up. I believe pets already told you that a couple of years service are going to come in, they're going to be running the admin and clinical side of things. So it's just going to work Basically like a normal CVC vaccination centre, except that we're making sure that people, you know, the all the staff aware about, you know, using appropriate language not using gendered language. And we've got some cards that help people because there's one problem that a lot of trans people face is their NHI is under a different name from their, what they go by. And so we've just made some little cards that make that easier to communicate, you can just write it on the car, show the admin person don't have to have a complicated conversation. And hopefully, that makes it a lot easier. There are some problems with the admin system, the car, that means that's not actually automatically transferred from the check in to the vaccinator to the observation room. So we're going to make sure there's someone who go, you know, when they check in, you know, they get told, okay, this person's actually there, this name this, but the system will say this, and someone will manually pass that on, which is not an ideal way of doing it. But, you know, we're going to try and make sure that gets done and people don't get dead named, or misgendered. We've got staff here so that there's plenty of clinical staff who are going to be able to answer questions, because many intersex people, for example, have a lot of mistrust of the Medical Association. And, you know, if someone just wants to come and ask questions and isn't ready to get vaccinated today, that's fine. If someone's got, you know, a needle phobia, and just wants to like, have a look at the needle now. So they know what it looks like, and then maybe book later, then that's fine. If people just want to come and hang around with a bunch of other rainbow people, that's also fine. You know, so obviously, pry peacock pride has been a lot smaller than was hoped. So maybe this is just a bit of an opportunity for people to engage with their community and have a chat, get a free popsicle. And yeah, just just hang around. We're also having endo warriors Altair roll here. They are an organisation that fights for period equity, and things like access to treatment for things like endometriosis, et cetera, they're going to be here and giving out free period products, including reusable period products, with lots of information about how to use them. And yeah, so it's mainly most of the organization's been done by the peacock pride committee, including Pat, who've already talked to campus whose that's them over there. And Val, who's I think she's out doing the sign. And yeah, so I've been supporting from the DHB and providing funding. Also support from company youth. campuses, also, they work for inside out as well. So they're representing inside out as part of this. So it really is a team event put together by quite a number of different organisations. [00:18:12] And it was saying that this was the first kind of vaccination event in Pike hockey this year. [00:18:17] Yeah, yeah, I think so. And there are no actual permanent vaccination centres in peacock. So the closest is either Manna or para plan. And so anyone who's in peacock whether they're part of the rainbow community or not, is welcome to come down. You know, as long as they're not anti rainbow community. So welcome to come down and get a vaccine because if it's a, you know, 100 metre walk from your house, much easier than going up to Paraparaumu, or whatever. So yeah, we thought that that was another reason why it would be a good idea to run a clinic here. Because apparently, the there are slightly lower rates of vaccinations here partly because of that. [00:18:59] And I mentioned as a bit more urgency now, because just literally two days ago, we had our first kind of confirmed Delta variant community case in the Wellington region. And we have been kind of free of community transmission for so long. What what I mean, what do you think that means for us now? [00:19:19] Well, I think, you know, vaccination does tend to spike when we have scares, and hopefully that I mean, it would be good if we had good vaccination rates without the scares, but hopefully, we do get that again. And yeah, we know that it doesn't mean that you can't catch it, but it does definitely mean that your chances of getting really sick a much lower. My sister in the UK actually has COVID Right now, and because she's been vaccinated double backs, you know, she's feeling a bit crummy but not too bad. So I think it's just really important, especially now that they You know, there's COVID in Wellington, that we need to make sure everyone's vaccinated for those that can't be vaccinated for those that even if they are vaccinated, they're going to get really sick, like people, you know, doing chemotherapy or with other immune compromised or, you know, in their 90s. And just the better we can do, the more we can do, we can just make sure that it's I mean, it's going to be rough, we're going to get a lot of cases, but hopefully, they're all miles because of this vaccination rates. So let's just try and keep everyone as safe as possible. [00:20:37] On a personal note, would you ever have imagined yourself doing this job in this environment? You know, three years ago, [00:20:45] not even six months ago, I got into this role, because I said on the sex and gender diverse working group for gender affirming health care, which is a working group composed of clinicians and community groups and community members. So I was a community representative on that. And when the DHB was looking for someone to sort of drive this work, they approached the working group, and the test suggested me so that's, that's where I am now. And yeah, I'm finding it, you know, really challenging, but really rewarding, and the team from the DHB really, really supportive. You know, I kind of spent the, my first two weeks just wandering around pestering people and go, How does this work? Can I have this? Can you organise this and, you know, people will just go, yep, done. You know, so, got some phones for hotspotting. If the internet here is a bit rubbish, oh, we have to move out of the way. So we can set up we've had, I'll show you these cards that we've got printed out, you know, had a lot of support from the DHB doing these. So there's a few different kinds. So this is the large format, one where if you don't know your Nhi, you do have to unfortunately, right, your old name that it's under, I can give you some of these if you want. And there's also smaller formats. So for most people, this will be this, not them, more convenient, you know, just goes in your business card, in your wallet. And if you do know your NHI number, you can just write that down, just notify them that when it gets looked up, it's going to have a different name. But you know, just and we're asking the admin staff to confirm by date of birth, and that's a perfectly good confirmation. [00:22:39] Could you just read what's on the cards? That's okay. Yep. It says, [00:22:43] Hello, my name is blank, my pronouns are blank, the name of my NHI record is blank. This is not my chosen name, please do not say it out loud. And the other one, just instead of saying my name on the NHI record, is it just says, My NHI number is? And yes, I can give you a few of those. And, yeah, hopefully, that just smooths the process a little bit. All vaccination, these have been delivered to all vaccine providers. And we're trying to get them in, there's a number of other non vaccination related places that have started using them. The the ministry is in the process of bringing them out nationally now. So this is a pretty good initiative by the CC DHB in conjunction with the disability equity team who already have these little cards for for people with hearing impairment, just to make that communication easier. And so I was talking with the disability equity lead and they said, Hey, why don't we just do these cards for this? And yes, so my team, you know, put me in touch with the printers got it all sorted, organised the deliveries? And yeah, it's it's a really supportive team. [00:24:05] And I love the top you're wearing, which has a very welcoming message. Could you just tell me what it says, [00:24:11] says, kindnesses, free sprinkle that stuff everywhere. I got this from a company called pride where they're actually Outeiro based. And at my previous at a previous event, I saw someone one of the nurses they're wearing a shirt from this company. She was raving about them and so it's like, I do not have enough pride. We had to go get some [00:24:35] cura cool just say no Whoa, I live in pack Reiki. And partly this is a little bit of combating the disappointment and not getting our package Aiki Pride Parade and thanking casting about for other really positive initiatives that we can be part of. And also having some friends and find on the trends and six community and knowing that there are barriers to access them. open communications around the health needs is lacking. And then someone came up and said DHB can organise a queer, friendly, intersex, friendly, trans friendly event? And I just thought it was such a good idea. So [00:25:17] when you're talking about barriers, what what kind of barriers? I think [00:25:20] in general, my trends farno and friends have a tricky time, sometimes interfacing with medical professionals, not always that with their always success stories, but even just the prevalence of dead naming and really insensitive questions, lack of knowledge, lack of experience, and lack of commitment to upskilling. And these theories that seem like no brainers to us, but clearly, you know, seen as an area of expertise. [00:25:55] So within pica Curriki, what is the feeling like in terms of vaccinations of people for or against what else, [00:26:02] it's really, really next, to be honest, really next. So we've got a very large, I'd say, proportion of people in the alternative health practitioner community, and alternative schooling as well. So we've got the sinus go, and lots of naturopaths and homoeopaths, than people who, who, on one hand, have a much more nuanced understanding of the body and of how medicine and wellness work. And so that can be seen, I guess, as a really positive thing. But along with that, comes a distrust of what we would call traditional or mainstream medicine. And so yeah, I think a lot of people in the village and vexed but I think that they are more likely, in my experience to be educated, and vexed and prepared to take responsibility for their own health. My struggle is around not having the data. Yet, that really proves one way or the other, that that choice won't impact on other vulnerable people. And so that's why I've I went in, I have a lot of respect for some of the things they're saying, but I can't go there myself. [00:27:19] It's also new and also changing so rapidly. [00:27:24] It really is. And I think that's part of what is very unsettling. I mean, it's, it's, it's the discomfort around cognitive dissonance. I mean, people being able to hold multiple realities in their minds, and the fact that it's changing and the fact that that's so undermining of people's trust. And it is a real rock and a hard place. So I don't think anybody who's gone ahead and become vaccinated or is wearing masks and is complying with tracing would say that they felt they have been COVID in the community was a good idea. And they really wanted to be in this situation. None of us do. But it's about having a, I guess, seeing what the rockers and believing that that rocks worse than the hard place. And so that's where I fall into it. And I just hope that if most of our communities do, then, yeah, we can be safe [00:28:21] mess of social changes in terms of, you know, vaccine mandates, or vaccine passports. These are huge things in terms of rights and responsibilities like these. [00:28:32] Yeah, they absolutely. Are they absolute? Yeah. And, you know, I think it's Thank you. I think it's fine for people to be challenging, it's important that people are challenging it, and asking for lots of answers. But I also think we need to take responsibility for the messages that we get in response, if we want a responsive government who's going to be able to pivot on new information, then we can't then turn around and say, I'm getting inconsistent messages and we just want some certainty. And, or if we, on the other hand, if we want clear messaging that's most likely to be effective, as we've seen in public health messaging around the world. I mean, it's not like just introducing work happens did right. I'm gonna be really hard us about this. She's got a huge comms team, they've trained their whole lives around public health promotion, how to get huge large communities and societies to do what they need them to do. And people have been studying this around, you know, smoking cessation and breast cancer screening and five plus a day and it's a science. So it's not like she's just a really bossy individual. I really struggle with with that too, because she's it's been personalised and I think this is a decision that has been made and again, rock and hard place. I think behind closed doors, none of them would want to feel that they forcing their constituents will be communities and to decisions that are hard. He but clearly they feel it's important enough. And I've met some of these people, and I trust these people on a personal level. You know, I've got, I've got politicians in my family, and I know that they're not oligarchs just sitting in some ivory tower. I know the real people. And I know this is a struggle for everybody. [00:30:22] So just two days ago, we had our first kind of confirmation of a community Delta, positive case in Wellington region, that's going to change the landscape. Probably forever, can you kind of reflect back on what it's been like for the last year and a half in terms of not having COVID in the community, and now we that's what we're facing? [00:30:44] Yeah, I think we've been incredibly lucky. And I've and I've, I'm lucky that I can, I've been able to hold on to some gratitude around that. And I'm glad that I sort of made hay while the sun shone because I knew it wasn't gonna last. And I, there are a lot of fears in my immediate circle of friends and family because we have immune compromised people in our family. I've got a cousin with motor neuron disease, my father's got Parkinson's, friend of mines got a child whose immune compromised. And so what we've been looking at, is looking forward, what are some of the conversations that we need to have within our friendships and communities so that we can be as safe as possible, and that's emotionally safe, as well as physically safe? So how can I maintain my friendships with my invites? And friends? What protocols can I put in place that can just be set up, you know, if it means outside two metres, then that's just the way it is. And we can both make choices about whether we go forward with it. But it will be based on the best information that I feel I can get about keeping my family safe. It's not personal, and it won't be about not wanting to see them. It will be again rock and hard place as a shitty situation. And we're all doing the best we can. So yeah, I guess, leading into it being released into the community. Those have been the thoughts I've been having, like, how do I manage this? How do I keep these conversations alive so that we all feel safe and supportive? [00:32:24] Yeah, so I'm campus, I am a representative inside out. So I work the inside out as the Wellington schools coordinator. So I take care of all of the schools in the Wellington and wider region. I'm also here with KY s, I work at KY as as the project youth group coordinator, which is their rainbow group, which is for Rainbow and Pathar. For young people aged like 13 to 18. [00:32:50] That's what that's what I'm here [00:32:52] to. And so why was it important for you to be here today? [00:32:55] I think it's important for like this event to go forward, just so people have access, I think as well, there's a lot of medical distrust in the rainbow community, especially in intersex and trans communities, because of historical and ongoing gatekeeping and misinformation and like harm that comes from the medical community sometimes. And I think this is a safe place for Rainbow people to come and access medical care, without feeling the fear of discrimination, sort of like hanging over them, as well, knowing that they can sort of get this thing that maybe people are feeling a bit anxious about in a space where they don't have to sort of deal with other things. But on top of that, and maybe making them feel more anxious, like things like getting misgendered or dead named or just feeling like they're not being represented, and just being around their own community as well. I think that's super important. [00:33:54] Yeah. How do you bridge that trust gap if people don't trust the medical profession? [00:34:03] That's a really big question that's a bit loaded. I think I think there are really positive steps happening. I think it's all about I think it's the medical community, stepping up acknowledging the hurt that they have caused for a lot of people and taking active steps to undoing that. And that looks like getting regular payday for, you know, staff around rainbow communities. It's making sure that students as they're learning about medicine, whether that's nursing or going into becoming a doctor or anything like that, that they're taught about rainbow competency, right in those beginning phases. I think it's also like a systemic issue as well of medical systems need to be more inclusive. They need to have like more expensive options for gender and sex and they need to, especially around like COVID vaccinations the system Need to reflect people's actual names and people's actual genders as well. So that trans people can come to events like this and not feel like that that fear of that they're going to be put in a situation where the wrong name is said or that they're gendered incorrectly, which is quite, you know, can be very, very distressing. Yeah, which I think is also a barrier. So I think there are lots of things that can happen, I think, as well. remote communities giving being given information more readily about how this affects our communities, specifically. And I think as well, specifically for Maori and Pacific rainbow communities, that information is really needed there, because Maddie in Pacifica communities have also been really mistreated by the medical community. So there's even more distrust there. So I think it is about building up that trust not only around COVID vaccinations, but around our medical systems as a whole, which is good. It doesn't happen overnight. And I do think having clinics like this is a first step. But it can't just stop with having rainbow friendly vaccination clinics, it really needs to go into, like general practice into like everywhere, in hospitals and everywhere and medical systems as well. [00:36:22] There's been a lot of covered what has been a huge amount of coverage of COVID over the last year and a half in the media, but the hasn't. From what I've seen, there hasn't been a lot of youth voices talking about how does COVID impact on young people. You're working with young people all the time? What are your thoughts? [00:36:39] I think I mean, that there have been quite a few studies around the, you know, the impact of COVID, on young people, and on mighty communities and on Rainbow communities. And I think it shows like, there's a lot of anxiety around it. Lots of isolation, a lot of like depression coming out of it. And that comes from like lockdowns, and not being able to connect to your community, or not being given resources so that we can adequately deal with that. I think that is sort of, it's just highlighting issues that we already had, especially within like our mental health system of there isn't capacity for the amount of people that need to access mental health support. And also specifically for like Rambo and occupy three communities. Some mental health workers aren't properly trained to sort of work with rainbow and pathway communities. So I think that's a that's a big a big thing. I think as well, we know from like studies, like canny ourselves that there is a lot of distrust in the medical system from trans and non binary communities, which I think is just sort of, highlighted by by this and people feeling anxious about maybe stepping into that medical space, but it really needing to happen. So yeah, I think yes, there have been really massive effects, especially on like community connection and on mental health specifically, yeah. [00:38:09] What about vaccination rates for Rainbow Youth, but in a kind of broad sense, or not most statistics that what's your feeling on that? [00:38:16] I think, at least from the rainbow, young people I've worked with, a lot of them are vaccinated, which is really great. Yeah, so I think it can vary quite a lot, depending on somebody's lived experience and how much they've had to engage with sort of the medical community also, you know, where they're getting that information from, as well, because we know there's a lot of misinformation online, I think generally, within rainbow spaces, like in real life, and also online is pretty pro backs, which is really great. Doesn't mean that there isn't that anxiety around it, it just means that maybe rainbow young people are feeling a bit more open to being vaccinated, and the vaccine has been seen in a positive light. Yeah. [00:39:01] So just in the last couple of days, the first kind of community confirmation of a community Delta variants result has come through. How do you think having delta in the community will change the Wellington and couple of communities. [00:39:19] I think we've already seen the way it's impacted. Rainbow communities specifically with like pride getting postponed until September last next year, which I think is a really positive step to make sure that we're keeping each other safe. I do think that means that maybe there won't be as many options for us to get support, like peer support in person. And I think that's where we can utilise things like the internet and staying connected online. And making sure that people have like that safety net to rely on if we're not able to, like gather in big spaces or in big groups, or at all. Even if it's just past no comfort. So I think we'll see that impacted. But I do think that rainbow communities are quite good at navigating online spaces and having those spaces readily available. Yeah. [00:40:14] piara I'm Catalina, and I'm a member of the pike hockey community. I would like as many people as possible to be able to access the vaccination in a way that makes them feel comfortable. Pica Covey, he has a large, queer community, and it's very much the queer capital of the company coast. Now, I might be being a bit arrogant and saying this. But I think we are in a perfect position to host a queer friendly vaccination event and you know, every little bit helps. The more vexed we are, the fewer people are going to get COVID. And that's good for everybody. [00:40:53] Why do you think it was important to have a specific queer taco taco you're involving? [00:40:59] There are a lot of people who might not feel comfortable walking into a space, they are not 100% Sure is safe, and we'll accept them for who they are. us for who we are. [00:41:12] So today, what did you bring with yourself? [00:41:15] I just made some chocolate chip and peanut cookies because I thought that they might go well with the team offering to people. They smell [00:41:23] fantastic. [00:41:24] Would you like one? [00:41:26] I've actually got my mask on at the moment. So what do you think, in terms of the wider pocket ag community in terms of vaccination as a community that that is pro or anti Vaxxer war, [00:41:39] it's mostly Pro. And by and large, the kaupapa of the community here is to support public health efforts. But there are a few people who are uncomfortable, not necessarily empty, but maybe just a bit scared this their sources of information are telling them that it might not be a good thing. So having something that's a bit of a carnival atmosphere, they'll come down, they'll see that everybody else is having a good time and comfortable eating Vex. They'll have a biscuit. And hopefully that'll make them feel a bit better about they'll getting it done. [00:42:15] It was a scary time. That's fun. Yeah. [00:42:18] So one way of putting it [00:42:20] what how would you describe it? [00:42:24] It's unusual. People are not used to what's going on, people have not lived through a public health emergency before the last one is beyond most people's living memory. And if the end the unusual tends to frighten people, it just is actually really been beating my head against a wall as to sort of how partly how well people are responding to a lot of people responding to this. And like, Could you do the same to climate change? But yeah, people, many people are afraid of the unknown. And they were already a lot of people who might be playing on their fear and encouraging people to forgo social cohesion in favour of perhaps a different way of looking at things. [00:43:17] Have you approached that? How do you, I guess, work with them, [00:43:21] try and find out what it is that they are uncomfortable with or afraid of and approach that. Ask them where they're getting their information from? Try to firstly try to get on side with them, and then try to gently persuade them. I mean, that's the best practice. But I'm afraid I'm not always completely patient [00:43:53] with him a COVID positive case in Wellington, the first time in the community for for a long time and so delta variant, and that's going to change the kind of landscape around Wellington brought up the company coast. Can you reflect on the last year and a half in terms of that, I guess the freedoms we've had and also we may be going to [00:44:18] forgot to bring my crystal ball. I personally think it was a bit of a mistake to open up so quickly. And if there was another lockdown, I'll be disappointed because I have quite a fabulous sum of land. But I wouldn't be surprised nor Diaby was informed because whatever it takes, but I do worry about what the element of society who is more concerned with let's say, personal freedoms then community safety might do. I'm very uncomfortable with the US All right influence that I see in this. And I just, I just hope that that just goes away. As an anarchist, I'm really uncomfortable with people mixing the message of freedom in with the self interest inherent in the arguments of people doing what they think is best for themselves. I don't know, do they not have elderly fun? Or do they not have vulnerable people that they're concerned about? Or do they genuinely think COVID doesn't exist? It's sort of hard for me to get my head into the space of somebody who thinks like that. But, um, I don't know, what will it take? Will it take the great aunt to die in an ICU before they sort of change their mind? Will it take the same sorts of hospitalisation rates as they've got in Europe at the moment for them to change their mind? I just hope we can stay strong, and not let that viewpoint influence what we need to do. I mean, yeah, we're not doing it because there's an authoritarian government ordering us to we're doing it for the health of the whole community. [00:46:17] kyouda Campania, whoa, I am here because I joined the pride committee. I've just been so blown away by Pio kakariki pride in the last few years. So when I was asked if I wanted to be a part of it, I was just like, Yeah, I think that's such an important thing. And today, we're doing print for pride, which is about just making vaccines available to local people who may not have had the opportunity or may not have been comfortable. Or maybe were just a bit on the fence and now decided to come along and get vaccinated. [00:46:52] And Karen is my daughter, and she's helping organise. So we Karen goes, mother goes. [00:47:03] So, you can go from prompts to northend to helping out? [00:47:08] Yes, yes, I did. Yes. [00:47:11] And you're saying to me before, so Karen, as we know who has pet and that she's always been involved in community events and working for the communities? [00:47:23] Yes, now, she's always been one to pop in and help anything and things like that. Yeah. [00:47:30] Yeah. Because I guess what I see is that pica Creek is such a great community, it really values all types of people. I mean, we really value free thinking, which does mean some people have free thought that possibly the vaccine isn't for them. So it's really good to get the information out there in a non confrontational way, so that people can talk about it and work through their thoughts on it. And I think part of the wonderfulness of pica Curriki is what? Yeah, Pat's and Val have contributed very quietly in some ways, but just even the fact that there's pride flags around and all year round, and other things. And when we cancelled pride, a normal Pride Parade this year, because we actually want to be about keeping our community healthy, and strong. And so when the DHB three, Michelle contacted us, and asked if we'd like to be involved with some outreach to the queer community for vaccination, we just thought it was a really good way to take something good as of what it seemed like a bit of a downer that we couldn't run anything. [00:48:41] One of the things that really is very surreal for me is just the whole idea that we're actually in the middle of a global pandemic. I mean, how was the last year and a half felt for you? [00:48:52] Ah, you're not good. Not good. Because I've lost my husband today. Yeah. Not good. But still we'll, we'll close out. And you're [00:49:03] saying that it's often that your friends who earn next generation from me, your friends are just getting the vaccination? They went through the polio vaccination? Yep. Yep. And you don't know anybody in your friend group and age group who's kind of not wanted the vaccination? No. [00:49:22] No, it seems to be some of the younger ones. I think there are older ones. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. [00:49:31] But it seems like almost it's been just a more of what we have to do what we have to do to say, say for the older generations, and maybe as younger ones who haven't experienced infectious diseases. So, you know, Pat, from We are some of us went through the big HIV AIDS epidemic, but since then, it hasn't been that much infectious diseases that has affected our community in a big way here in New Zealand. I was overseas actually. I was with my partner Lance. thing. In Amsterdam, we were going to go and enjoy Amsterdam. And the pandemic was declared. And she was living in a country in which is illegal to be gay. And her boss said, we should fly back there. And I was because of the rules of that country. I wasn't on health insurance. And so I was like, Well, I can't go there, because I don't have any insurance. So I hit it on to the UK thinking that the UK and New Zealand were both island nations with good public health systems. And that was where was where I was intending to go. I'd been living in the UK previously. And as you know, that was a mistake, because New Zealand has just done so well, not just like, you know, government responses. I'm not saying the government's perfect. But also with the, you know, the team of 5 million and how hard most people have worked to really have a community spirit and whether you're, you know, LGBTQI, straight, old, young, most people have really worked to keep the community safe. And it's been sad to see that with low wire. But recently, maybe people haven't appreciated if they haven't got links overseas, just how deadly and devastating this pandemic is. [00:51:11] It must have been such a shock when you're overseas, and then suddenly, all these lockdown started happening. [00:51:16] I mean, it was very traumatic. And I haven't seen my partner for the nearly two years since then. Which is incredibly, incredibly high. And my can't wait till the borders open. I think these are just things you have to do to keep all of us safe. And I can I can accept that loss, which feels awful for me personally, as long as we are keeping ourselves safe as long as we can. And so sometimes we just sort of have to take one to the team. And yeah, it's been really rough. But we're hopeful that we will get to kind of hang out together again soon. [00:51:55] And you mentioned just earlier about HIV and AIDS and going through that. I mean, what are your thoughts? Is it similar? Or is it different? [00:52:05] I think so now, even though we're talking about well, have we seen the sort of anti Vax rhetoric before or weird conspiracies. And we came to thinking of when HIV AIDS happened in the 80s, some of the things that were feared were not just mean anti gay. There were some utterly crazy conspiracies and athlete crazy hateful things being said, directed at people with HIV AIDS and directed at the gay community. And that was my only my closest recollection to the level of passionate misinformation that some people are spouting about vaccinations. So that was kind of the the analogy, obviously, that's a really different illness, you know, took a lot longer for the effects of it. It's not something you got and die quickly. But I think, the stigma and paranoia around it, that's what we're seeing as similar. [00:53:03] Do you think that stigma and paranoia and discrimination potentially will happen with COVID work? If somebody is positive for COVID? [00:53:12] I'd really hope not. It was one of our things we thought about and not running a pride parade and pride for this year, we did not want to be the pica Curriki pride cluster, and have that splashed everywhere. And I mean, I know some of the Pacifica community have felt that and some of the Chinese communities that felt that that they were singled out. So we really, really need to work to say, Yes, get vaccinated, yes, to be safe. But also if somebody is ill, you know, have compassion and don't just turn on them. And humans are very good at having outcasts and as queer people. We've been on the receiving end of that. So we really need to be incredibly mindful about not doing that to others. [00:53:54] So I'm Christy Johnson. We're here in Piper Curriki, at the St. Peter's Hall, and today, we've got an amazing an awesome pop up vaccination event, which is rather fantastic. It's great being involved in a small community where we can actually get together and host of events like this and make things safe and accessible for everybody really, and especially our rainbow community, and especially some of the younger people within the rainbow community and make things really accessible for them. [00:54:30] And apparently, this is the first vaccination event in Bangkok Viki this year. Quite possibly, yeah. Yes. Why is it important to have these specific events? [00:54:44] I think Well, in general, it's, it's about making sure that we're making things are safe for everybody within our communities. And yeah, making make it having events where it's easy for people to get through, not everybody through Not everybody is comfortable with going into maybe a medical face. There are a variety of reasons for that. That's about just making this comfortable and welcoming. [00:55:14] I am truly in awe of you because you can talk and also nest at the same time this is I can [00:55:21] actually there's a lot of rainbow hosts around the village here and pica Curriki, and I am the rainbow yamamah of hikoki. [00:55:31] Amazing how long have you been doing that for [00:55:34] about three or four years, so I replace them from time to time, used to try and make sure that we've got things in just before pride, but I try and keep them up all year round. And yeah, make things bright and fun. [00:55:48] They are amazing. I'm looking at the giveaway, sign over. How long did it take you to do that? [00:55:57] I don't really think about the time when I'm doing it. So I do it while I'm doing other stuff. Maybe like Netflix doing a and and nothing and getting it all getting more ready. And then it's a matter of coming down and then stitching them all onto the poles around the village. So I try and do that over a few hours on a day off at some point. And what kind of feedback do you get a lot of really positive feedback and really, really loves them, especially kids around here. So they have quite a few at the school tone, decorating posts and halls. So yeah, [00:56:28] we've recently, just in the last couple of days had a positive COVID Delta case in Wellington. And that is really going to change the landscape. I have a feeling can you reflect back on the last say year and a half of the kind of freedoms we've had and potentially like we were going to [00:56:45] I think it really waxes and wanes these days. And it's like, you know, we go through periods of I've actually been able to, yeah, have events, go to music, do things and in periods of time where our lives has changed a little and we're having to stay at home and we're having to avoid a lot of context. It can. It can be trying and it can be difficult on a lot of people it's definitely taxing on on people's mental health and well being. And I think it's it's important for us to think about what we're doing, and how we're interacting with each other and being as kind as possible. When we are in lockdowns, maybe making things fun, perhaps using social media in a fun way to help inspire and make people laugh and smile. I know last lockdown, I spent a bit of time dressing up and having creative different outfits different days and sticking photos up. And I was getting a lot of positive feedback from friends and colleagues about how it would make them check on that wave each morning to see what I was going to post. So find find the sun and these things because it isn't there's enough things that can get you down in life. So just look at look at the positives out of the situations. I mean, nobody wants to be COVID positive, but let's think about the other positives we can have in life. [00:58:00] I'm Christie I'm from five faculty teapots. And yeah, we're just here at the pool which is very rainbow coloured and honour the vaccine today, [00:58:13] can you describe some of the things we can see around us? [00:58:17] So basically, we've got the chicken area for people who come in to get vaccinated. We are handing out free rainbow pots today. In front of me there's a free period stand for implanted from endo warriors or Terra. And yeah, I can't see into the booths at the moment but there's a we're getting vaccinated in the in the waiting room over a bit further around the corner for people who've already been vaccinated. [00:58:44] Why do you think it's important to have specific things like this? [00:58:48] I guess it's just trying to capture everybody who hasn't been vaccinated yet for whatever reasons they might have if they feel uncomfortable for some reason getting vaccinated in this sort of name vaccination centres that provide some way for them to go and do it comfortably. [00:59:06] And you were saying rainbow pots, what are they? [00:59:11] I can show you but so we've got basically or we got five different layers of different fruit flavours that we make all in different colours of the rainbow. So we've got kiwi fruit and lime. green one, we've got a yellow pineapple and then orange pineapple carrot in Jinja and strawberry layer and then a mixed berry layer for the purples. [00:59:36] So how do you make those? We freeze them in [00:59:39] layers basically. So the very labour intensive we just make them once a year. So the Pride festival [00:59:46] and what do they taste like? [00:59:47] They're amazing. Well, yeah, and so I'm told by people who have them as well. [00:59:55] And so you're giving out rainbow props to everyone that comes around. [00:59:58] Yeah, that's right. Yeah, everyone comes in to be vaccinated and their support crew. [01:00:05] Okay, so So I'm Theresa and Gavi, the MP for the attack electorate. And while this is not my duty, I know that a lot of our Takita for your rainbow community come up to Takaka akin who wouldn't? Because look at the vibe, the vibe was cool, right? So really, I'm here with my family today just to support the efforts were to vaccination, of course, but of course, always supporting our tacky path we find no. So I'm really, really privileged and honoured to get an email from Val and the team and coming down here and just seeing what's already organised. And everybody's out here. And I was just talking to some people outside who are from the community and they're already deviled eggs, but they're just here to support the tacky path. We found I end the vaccinations. I thought, that's cool. That is a really cool communities for today. [01:00:48] So why do you think it's important to have very specific events for all different types of communities? Yeah, [01:00:53] so what we have seen as of course, just in terms of getting those last little numbers over the over the line, in terms of your local communities, and the communities that you feel comfortable with, then and the people that look like you sound like look you or vibe like you, that's really important to for people who want to have a talent neural coded about why it's important, or the hesitancy and getting an vaccination. So if you see someone so first you attack attack, when you see someone from your own rainbow community, of course, you know, that's gonna, you'll have much more of a trust, I guess, vibe going on, to be able to talk to them about anything you might be worried about. And instead of someone on my staff, you don't know coming along and say, Hey, you get vaccinated? You're like, well, I don't know who you are. So yeah, [01:01:40] I guess, you know, speaking of trust, that we all have different experiences with the medical profession, and in the state. Yeah. And I can see why some people are really, [01:01:50] yeah, so I mean, you know, obviously, as a brown woman, I definitely know what the lack of some of the access to hospitalisation has been also just medical advice in and health advice, but I know as being a minority saying protect your taboo around black community, Simon, Simon, actually, unfortunately, you know, for for a lot of our, especially our transgender family, and there's been some really some real built up mistrust. And you can understand why. So again, to be able to come down and talk about the health issues and a really safe space. For people who know you understand your vibe and where you're coming from. I think it's awesome that the pike AKA AKA rainbow community is gonna put this on today. Yeah. [01:02:33] So what about that, you know, you hear people in the media and in just general drug public, you know, blaming communities for not getting vaccinated. But what do you say to those people? [01:02:43] Yeah, I don't think it's a blame game, actually. And I think one of the things I've been talking to the community here about it, but actually, we've been, I've been lucky enough to visit all the different vaccination centres within our UI, up and down the coast. But, you know, one of the things I think is around just understanding and having the space to talent or having a space to put it on and have a talk, I think that's where our, I guess if the media wants to do something in terms of a supporting that's where it should be, it should be allowing people knowing that these are allowing the space to talk. You know, even if today you decide issue, I don't want to have a vaccination common Ellis have a chat about that as to why you might still walk away thinking that's not for me, pay to play. So how do we make sure that you can still continue to be part of the community a and keep everybody safe? And so things start having a conversation around there? So I think, well, these are efforts are definitely about REITs in the nation. We understand it might not be people might not get to this space, at least have recorded or around how you keep everyone including yourself safe around you. That's my my tocado [01:03:50] because it's also got a bit larger than vaccines now in terms of mandates, sure. invixium passports, these are huge social changes. [01:04:00] And I think I guess for me, the overall arching, I guess, if you're talking about a moral responsibility of the government, the overall moral responsibility from government is to make sure everybody's safe. Now, we can't make sure that these are different pieces of legislation or guidelines for Theresa, there's for the other Joe Bloggs, who decides maybe to or to not get vaccinated, we have to have that overarching health guidelines. And they come from a mixture of obviously the science, obviously officials that have kept us safe to mouth. So there's that trust and that science as well as the decision making. And I think from there, what we what we've tried to do or certainly our prime minister to send that in the in the cabinet ministers, I think have done a great job and going this is the Health guidelines. Now for you who might own a business or for you who you know, I don't know, runs the Canton or whatever that looks like, as long as you're within those, you know, those health guidelines to keep everything What'd he say? How you do the rest of it is up to you. And I guess some people call it a mandate, and I call it skips, though like the trip advices my call it speaks to keep us safe. And there are, you know, for me the options and the you know, the options if you do decide not to ever say if you are a business owner, and you decide not to have your vaccination in him, and vaccinated people now, there will be restrictions to make sure that those guidelines are kept safe. So there are options if you like, contains those steps. That's my view. [01:05:30] And just personally, how has COVID impacted? You being a member of parliament? That must have changed? Yeah, you do? How you doing? [01:05:38] Yeah, so of course, you know, you know, you're not able to go into their houses freely apple. So into that I'm debating chambers, and what I had my time at home. So with my family, my husband, who works for Ministry of Justice and works at home in our children, it can be trained in itself, but I think if we were lucky here, we've been able to get out and about but quicker than Auckland. So they've really done the hard yards for us. And I totally understand the frustrations of having to stay home I think COVID affected everybody. But one of the big things I would say if I may, is just in terms of again, going back to the health accessibility, and our health inequities, you definitely see more so the nicotine has been highlighted for Maori, Pacific tacky, Poppy, and people with disabilities. That is massive. And that's something that I'm really grateful to minister Lidl, who is working towards those half New Zealand reforms, that this is something else that's been highlighted, and we can make sure that we can work to combat some of those issues and the accessibility issues for our minority groups. [01:06:42] So my name is Jess and I founded an organisation called endo warriors outdoor. And we support anyone that has individualised polycystic ovaries, no matter the gender. And we also provide prepared products to anyone need. We recently did a campaign to support all genders at Main Street. And we got organisations like Alia and my cap and all that to come on board. And we took lots of photos, and for them to use online to show that. And we encourage them now to use inclusive language and then posting images when selling their menstrual products and recognising that, you know, it's not just females that have periods anymore. And so yeah, so this is just a nonprofit that I started up. And it's really important for me, it is for everyone. That means rights and period products are really expensive, which is ridiculous. And so I like to come to these events just to give all these items out for free to anyone that needs them. And we've got reusable pairs, we've got period caps in single use items as well. [01:07:39] So why was it important for you to be here today? [01:07:43] I attended one a few weeks ago and lower heart and it was just such a great event and the organisation that I started once I got started it and supported all genders that have endometriosis, I started getting a lot more messages from people saying that it was really nice because they didn't feel like supported from anyone the organisations that support people aren't really inclusive. And then the more and more I talk to people, I realised that you know how important it was. And so I really just want to make sure that like everyone is supportive. And I love these events in the way that it's set up. And I just want to be, you know, here for everyone. [01:08:16] So tell me a wee bit more about endo warriors, RTR. So when was it formed? [01:08:20] So I started it in February 2020. I had a hysterectomy, and 2019. And things went really wrong. And I got really sick and I was in hospital more than hour. And there was just really no support. I've had like eight surgeries. And there's just been no support. So I thought I just want to help people that have the illness like me. So I started that up. And just offering supports pretty more awareness about it and starting meetups. And I also seen free surgery pets to people having in their surgery, just a bit of a trip me up and happening, get through the surgery, let them know they're not alone. And then in February this year, we started the period products. And over locked down was probably the busiest and just yeah, just sort of go from there. It's just me that doesn't I'm not a registered charity or anything like that. But I have a couple of cool volunteers that come and help me out. And it just always seems to keep going. I haven't had to turn away anyone yet. So it's been good. I had a young transition male who has Endo, and was in hospital and another person, healer and just been really badly treated because of all the hormones he was taking and stuff like that. And on some water. So I was able to help him know his rights, get a social worker to come and help them and stuff like that. And it just made me more aware that I need to be, you know, try and get more people to help out. So I contacted insight into men's rights, which is one of the two big organisations in Wellington, and they change all the language to be inclusive. And I challenge another one and they just won't do it. They're flexible. And so I have been great and they change all the language or they're in the process of updating all their handouts and things like that to make sure that it's all Gender neutral. [01:10:01] That's fantastic. That's a great outcome, isn't it? [01:10:04] Fantastic. That's really good to see. Because having endo is really difficult. It can take up to eight years to be diagnosed. And it's quite painful. It's not just a period, you go through so much that has taken me off work for two years. And I just actually really devastating and just like not feeling like you're supported as like, I can't imagine what it would be like to, you know, not be seen just because of the gender that you identify. So it was really good to come on board and do that. [01:10:34] Can you take me through some of the things you're actually giving this away for free on you? [01:10:37] Yes, I am. So today, I've got single use period products. We've got period caps and reusable period pads. And it's all for free. And I talk to people about what might be best for them, because some people come up and say, I want a cup. And I'll ask them a few questions. And it'll turn out that they actually can use the cup. So we go to the reusable pads, I try and get people to get reusable products, because in the long run, it's more cost effective. They don't have to worry about paying for anything, it's better for the body, and it's better for the environment. But I also give Single use, because sometimes I just understand it's what people like to use, it's just easier for them. And a lot of it is done by like fundraising and donations from people. So that's just how I keep it going. Yeah, so we come out and just talk to people about what they need, and what their periods of life and all that sort of stuff and just start them out. [01:11:27] So you've got donations, but did you also have other funding that comes in? [01:11:33] I have this Teto shop and try to lower HeartCode Imperial. And I've been really great. They recently did some fundraising and donated $1,000 and donated to me, especially over lockdown, they gave me quite a good donation to help get going. And there's a technician on wanting to unfold Dr. Moseley, and they have a group of fellow support and empower just to try and make sure you know recognising autos, and they donated me vouchers and artwork and stuff like that. So I did another raffle. And that's the main way we get fans is just by donations. I have some people that have an automatic payment that give me five $10 a week. And $5 can go a long way I can get five packets of hands for $5 covers postage and stuff like that. So no amount is too small. And we just keep to see keep going like this. Yeah, I don't know. We've just been very lucky. You know, sometimes I'll be down to like my last six packets appear to have no money in the account for postage. And then I'll do a few posts and next thing I know there's just donations and it just keeps going. [01:12:42] Talofa lava Barbara Edmund here. I'm the Member of Parliament for mana. And we're just outside St. Peter's Hall and pike, aka Tiki Barber, [01:12:49] can you describe what we see? [01:12:51] We are having a really cool rainbow festival. There's been a pop up vaccination clinic that's been organised by the local pride community. It has a really cool event. It's a different vibe. I've just come off the back of a big festival in particular and in London, and all different for different communities. [01:13:08] And special it's very arrived. [01:13:10] Yeah, my good friend, and also our Associate Minister of Health epidemiologist, Dr. Ayesha viro. She is amazing. And I think you really need to enter view here. [01:13:20] Why is it important to have these specific events, [01:13:23] because it's all about trusted places and trusted places. So people feel comfortable to come and seek advice from people that they know, especially if it's their local health professionals. So if they feel assured, they're getting good information from those scientists from the doctors, then they know that what they're going to be doing and the next step, which is to get vaccinated, that it's for the good of our whole community. [01:13:46] So you've been to a number of events for a whole variety of communities. Can you tell me what the atmosphere is like? And what feedback [01:13:53] you're overly positive, you know, so if I look at the statistics, we'll pick up a dickey alone, we've got 170, Around 170 people that haven't been vaccinated or booked for the first dose. You can can compare that to other parts of the electorate, quite awkward. He is definitely one of our leaders, they're doing really well. And that's just it comes down to the community aspect of it. So going out to communities, and obviously having clinics that are there full time and different parts of the electorate. But what they needed here was the community said we want you to come here, come to our hall come and bits on it. So alchemy, the rest of our community can come and so [01:14:29] when people have been talking to it at these, these events, what have we been saying? [01:14:34] Just really happy, positive. They know they're doing it for their family. They're doing it for the fire? No, they don't do for the community. They're doing it for their kids. They're doing it for the grandparents, all the reasons why they're doing it as varies, but ultimately it comes back down to looking after each other. [01:14:50] How would you feel about if you were to interview Ayesha? [01:14:54] Ah yeah, So Talofa lava minister, if you can just introduce yourself and what you're doing here and blogger for Vicki [01:15:07] Cata My name is Ash Aveiro, I'm the Associate Minister of Health, and I've come up to check out this pride vaccine vaccination of income pay pocket. I also had the pleasure of driving up with two of my friends from when I used to work in the hospital, including Dr. Michelle Baum and Dr. Delilah Restrepo. And both of them are really involved in the vaccine rollout in the DHB. So we've been gossiping about how it is at the coalface as as well as organising the programme. So [01:15:35] being at the coalface, Dr. Vera, what do you believe is happening throughout the community? What's the what's kind of the vibe that you're feeling when you come to these sort of events, [01:15:44] or exceptional positivity? Because I think where we're at with the vaccination campaign is it's really got to quite a heavy lit level of community activation is the way of getting into the communities that have been harder to reach for us. So I think that's, that's really cool. And seeing the community take the side of the project for themselves has been a lot of fun. [01:16:03] And so you're well aware of all the different states across the more to, and obviously, there's, you know, different communities have different issues that they're facing when it comes down to this. What do you think of some of the advice that some of our health practitioners in our fan can give to those who are hesitant about getting the vaccine? [01:16:20] Yeah, look, I think it's always important to start with listening because everyone's gonna have their own reason, especially now, because everyone's probably heard plenty of times about the vaccine rollout. So it's really a matter of listening and understanding what it is for them. Some people may well have heard a lot of misinformation. We know that's been a real challenge that we've come up against during the rollout. And I think in those cases, it's just trying to find what are the trusted information sources, and connect them with high quality ones, whether that's someone who's medical or nursing, or someone trusted in their community, who's going to be able to get reliable information about the vaccine. [01:17:01] Thank you, Doctor, I should say any more last words, last messages for our community here and pocket again, our pride community? I love [01:17:09] this. Just the rainbow communities had a really strong tradition of taking matters into its own hands when it comes to health activism. And that goes way back to HIV and all those sorts of causes that the community is taken on for itself. And this is one we've totally got to get behind. Well, it's [01:17:34] amazing. And can I just ask one? One question, How is your work with HIV and AIDS in affected? How you're working with? COVID? [01:17:48] Yeah, I think one of the things that that's a really strong reminder for me is how stigma is part of infectious diseases and the experience people hear. So if you if you want people to participate in a programme, then you can't be simultaneously telling them off or how they got COVID. And so that's been a real challenge. Because, you know, we have had outbreaks associated with gangs and drug use and things like that, but the the health response always has to come, come first. And be, you know, you've always got to have a welcoming door up to people. [01:18:35] I totally agree. Like just today I had a cousin from Auckland to as a gang member. And he contacted me to say he's got COVID So he's been put into it. My cute as my first question is, where are you isolating at home or in my queue? So that that's a really good response from our house system, because I know that if he was to stay at home, he could pass it on to his parents or to his partner or his partners, children. So I mean, I firsthand for me, like just treating everybody as the same. And this is a health issue is like the only way we can do it. [01:19:07] Hi, I'm giving and I'm a nurse that cavities report and the clinical team needed it and I've come down to promotes COVID explanation of the rainbow community. [01:19:18] Why was it important for pay wise to be here today? [01:19:22] We've been heavily involved in promoting the COVID vaccine ever since the vaccine was available. We ran two clinics that ky is twice a week. Initially it was three clinics but more recently, it's been two clinics in the evening, vaccinated hundreds of people through KY s. Use in adults as well. Planners. So coming here today is just an extension of that and it's all about it's all about vaccinating people who might, you know, have a barrier to it Go to a hub and be vaccinated. That might be that they use a different name than their booth name. And it might be a really awkward thing for them to do to walk into a hub and have to, you know, to say that so they can come here and feel comfortable and be surrounded by people who, who understand that. Yeah. [01:20:20] What has it been like for you doing so many vaccinations? Over the [01:20:24] last been pretty hectic, we've got four certified vaccinations. Okay, why yes, but we also employ two external vaccinating nurses that helped us. So those are the two nurses that are here today in the hall or external exciters that helped us in KY as well. So it's been pretty hectic because we've had to rearrange the way we work to accommodate the clinics. But it's been a really important thing to do. Because we know that you'd like to go and be vaccinated in an environment that they feel comfortable and you know, by people that they know they can trust us. So yes, it's been good. We've had to change the way we've worked. But it's been a challenge, but it's been very satisfying. [01:21:09] How many people do you think you're personally vaccinated? [01:21:12] Me? Oh, gosh, I don't know. Probably over well over 100. Yeah. [01:21:21] Could you have ever imagined in your nursing career that you'd be right in the middle of a pandemic? In 2021? [01:21:28] No, it's been quite something. It's really pulled the clinical team really close together. Because we've been through two lockdowns and we've just carried on working and going to work every day, to change the way we work. You know, I do a lot of phone triage. And a lot of we've done we've been involved in a lot of swabbing as well for COVID. So we do that in the car park last year, we were doing flu vaccines in the car park. No, I couldn't believe it. But it's almost surreal thing that's on us. And it's changing all and evolving all the time. You know. [01:22:11] I'm a little neat needle phobic myself, I've met person who historically the nurses have made me lay down because I've looked so anxious. This time, actually, I wasn't so bad. And but it is something lots of people are nervous about. And there's been lots of misinformation disinformation this time round, right, that have kind of heightened anxiety for people. So I think events like this where there's trusted community members and health professionals for people to come in and have a chat to, to kind of try and dispel that misinformation is particularly important. [01:22:47] I think there's also nervousness now around things like the mandates in the vaccine certificates. And that these are huge social changes. [01:22:56] Yeah, they are. And I mean, we are living in a global pandemic. This is not something I ever imagined going through in my lifetime. And yet, in lots of ways we continue on as its life as as normal, we expect it to be as normal. And that's quite confusing, right, in a mandate to tell groups of people that they need to have a vaccine when we've always had the protection of health procedures being a choice is it is a big adjustment for people and I understand that kind of sense of like, needing to question that. It's, I guess, I've come to the point where the science is really clear, in terms of the importance of us doing this to look after each other, I want people to come to that to themselves, rather than being told that they have to. But if that is what we need to do to keep people safe, then I'm gonna err on keeping people safe. [01:24:01] Now, we are watching every night on the news. The Prime Minister Members of Parliament means the parliament making decisions on our behalf. Your as a member of parliament, right in the thick of it. How is COVID impacting Members of Parliament? [01:24:18] Well, I guess, like everybody, in some ways on multiple levels, you know, our lives have been massively disrupted. We don't know what's going to happen next year. At this time of year we normally planning for the events at the beginning of next year. We have no idea like anybody else. What's going to happen over that time for us and the greens were operating on a much smaller team because we were staying with the public health advice that was saying there should be a hard border around Auckland. So we're restricting our Auckland MPs except for our CO leader who self isolated for 10 days to come back down and is not able to see her family for several months and that They are all working from Auckland to keep their hard border. And that's, that's quite tough. But along with it is the scenes of real anxiety. I know Elizabeth, Dr. Elizabeth kitty kitty is from tide after tea, one of the districts with really low Vaxxer rate vaccination rates. And I live in cannons Creek, another area with really low vaccination rates in the sense of the holidays coming in the borders rising. And this just impending fear about what that's going to mean for the survival of our communities. And M we that is not a light thing to be holding. We're not the decision makers, but we have a voice. And M, we have a sense of responsibility to be raising those concerns into try and work out. What is best for our communities in that context. Yeah. [01:26:02] And on top of COVID, you've got the rest of life going on. [01:26:08] That is right, we're still you know, in select committees and talking about changes to Oranga Tamariki. And how we stop the removal of babies. And you know, the devastation that's caused for Maori communities, we're doing work around immigration, which is COVID related, but ACC reforms, and as well as you know, conversion therapy legislation and the births, deaths and marriages, legislation that Elizabeth has been doing. So all of that, and much, much more continue as it needs to, because there's an urgency to that work as well. Yeah. [01:26:46] Those two bits of legislation, I'll pick you up on the conversion practices and the best fit for marriages registration. The Sleep committees been going How do you think those committees have been going so far? [01:27:02] Well, so Elizabeth has, is now a spokesperson for that. So I've been trying to keep out of her way and enable her to do the amazing work that she does. But I have been trying to offer her and support her in terms of the huge number of hours that she's been doing, listening to people's submissions, and acknowledging that some of those submissions have been very hard to listen to, in terms of people's fear, and which I will use as a descriptor rather than hate. I think it's, you know, it's a fine line sometimes, right. But I'm going to go and say that it's based out of fear. And, and some of that is just really, really sad. That progress will be made, and may not be exactly what we would have wanted it to be. And I particularly here in terms of migrant communities around births, deaths and marriages, and the fact that the we're not able to get the support to be able to make those changes to ensure that people who were born overseas, were able to have a seamless process and change in terms of changing the eye having a birth document that reflected their affirmed agenda. Yeah. [01:28:31] What is your sense after seeing some of the select committees? What is your sense of how they're proceeding? [01:28:37] Well, I think I think positively, ultimately, I think, I genuinely think, well, people people have expressed there have been a lot of views that have been misinformation, there's also been a kind of a coming together, have some new voices. And it's been quite like, you know, beautiful to reflect on the mainstream churches joining and having a very clear position against conversion therapy. And if we contrast that, to our relatively recent history, that that is a real marker of them had Mackey being done by our community within those churches, as well as the national conversation that people have been part of to shift to a more inclusive society, including our churches, as part of that still work to do with some of them, obviously. But but it is, I think, should encourage us in and I also noticed some of our trends community, being able to pick up on some of the submissions and find them affirming and feeling as if they had allies who were supporting them. And that too, I think, is incredibly important. Rather than just focusing on the missing Information and opposition that actually, this there has been a space where allies have stepped up and spoken really beautifully and powerfully. And that hasn't always been been very easy for the trans community to be able to hear those voices, because there hasn't been a space for them to be expressed. So I think that has also been a positive thing. Am I a Pollyanna? [01:30:28] No. I mean, you always have such wonderful words of wisdom. And, and I was gonna just bring it back as an ending to this event, which is very specific around about really being the rainbow community to get vaccinated. And I guess, do you have any final wonderful words of wisdom for [01:30:50] us? Also, one thing I would point out with this event is that it's a collaboration between pica, kaliki pride, and Ky S, which is the youth health service here, who has been here for a very long time in this community. And, you know, like, we often kind of think of pride in young people's kind of spaces being centred in cities. And this is up the coast and Ky is, is based in Paraparaumu. And, and we still have these spaces that are affirming and recognising our diversity, and supporting young people with their diversity. And that's a really great thing. [01:31:40] So from the very start of the first email that you got from Marshall, from DHB, to standing him there, how do you feel it's gone? [01:31:49] Why way beyond what I could ever have imagined, to be honest, like I just, I thought we might get like maybe three people turning up and then all the inhaled like for MPs and us like more MPs, more organisers and MPs, then people but it's been just amazing, like, lots of people tuning up getting vaccinated. I don't know how many what the numbers are, but it's got such a nice vibe as colourful, the music's going, everyone's chatting. The MPs that are here are really friendly and engaged. And I feel really proud [01:32:26] to be here. And I think I we've had some people that have been quite hesitant and anxious. I think you've Laura, you had one that you help from from coming here at the front door, you walk them in and sit with them. Is it right? [01:32:37] Yeah, absolutely. They were quite anxious about getting their first jab and definitely were weary of the whole thing and had a good chat to the nurse and was given some comfort. And yes, they went ahead and had different steps. So that's awesome. [01:32:55] So it's for us. The idea when it was first proposed to actually put this event on with K, company use support, and the DHB in inside out and bringing people together. It's so much better. I just said to bow this morning, if we get one I'll be happy. If we can get one who's next? No, but what I've had to just go off and get opened up some more balls get some more. So it's about having a conversation in a safe space, which we wanted, and just just making it actually normalising a vaccination process. And you know, because it's huge, what's going on. And it always feels if you got I mean, I went up to two roto drive for mine. And I did feel quite formal and quite sort of medical. So this has put a whole new tilt on how you can do a vaccination to try and get those last few years and people that we that. I know this done that work. But the last few years, you know, just rip some love around people. And yeah, and it seems to be working. [01:34:00] How do you think it's gone? [01:34:02] Oh, I just I just chapter, you know, is I thought we'd give more MPs than people getting back. So we've broken that record. So I'm, I'm really pleased. [01:34:11] That's really fantastic that we've had for MPs turn up. [01:34:14] That's, that's great. And we got an email from Ashley just saying that. And it was to me. He's thanked us for the Mahi and apologise for not being able to be here today. So [01:34:25] I think also what's been really cool is that even fully vaccinated community members have come down and just had a chat and moulded around with us and supported us. And that's just been really, really cool to say, yeah, [01:34:39] it was great having you here, Gareth. It's just wonderful. You know, I think you'd love coming out to the village, don't you? We love having you come here. So it's [01:34:46] such a lovely community to come into. Yeah. Because I actually don't feel like I'm coming into a community. It's like, you know, we're an extended part of the community. [01:34:55] Yeah, always welcome. Events just to get you up here. Yeah. [01:35:03] I also love, you know, groups like endo warriors that I hear say as well. Yeah. [01:35:07] Yeah. And I wasn't able to play on that one on those emails a. [01:35:12] So sorry. I guess I didn't even seen the memo around that one. So that was my shot from the DHB. Organising to come. Yeah. And so I thought about going been going to quite a few pop up vaccination events. So yeah, it's really cool to have him here. [01:35:28] So how would you sum up today? [01:35:33] Oh, I just think it's good shows, you can do things differently. You know, you can, you know, you can think outside the square to hold an event and try and embrace the community and disarming so I don't know, I'm just chuffed. Let's I don't use that word very sparingly. Chuffed? I'm shocked. [01:35:52] I just think it was awesome. Yeah, it's just been great to savour and come along and those that got mixed and those that didn't, but can to support us and yeah, it's just been wicked. [01:36:02] And it's something really clever to say and I've forgotten but yeah, just as been joyful and mentioned, every health setting was as joyful as how we get our health sorted. The smart community, total community Yeah,

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