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[00:00:05] beautiful maiden and more handsome Maria Danica. And they they meet, and the families went too happy about them getting together. And so Danica went and say with a spring turkey out on the island in the middle of lake to do a miracle. Yeah. And they removed all the Walker from around the whole town so minimal, could not travel over to see him. So she said, and what is become known as minimal as rock commemorating that event, she sat there and thought, What can I do. And in the middle of the night, she swim out to Korea, because Danica is often shown with the flute, and she followed the sound of that, and she swim in the night freezing cold out to that island. And so as the story goes, the official story they got together, it was beautiful. It is the beautiful love song, the first modern movie ever made was about cinema. And this movie, actually what Ted MRT actor in it was about anymore. So it's a very, very famous story. What they didn't say is that when Hannah more got to the island, she pretended to be a main to attract to finally cause interest, and win. Because there was pressure always to get together to have your children. So they did it. But they doubled and other things. And when they were living together, Titanic like point the phrase, I am dying for love for missing my cortical top we psyche. And so his best friend eventually came to live with the both of them. Because we know from Titanic, I wrote a lot of poetry and love songs to Turkey, has mail be screened. And this is where we find the word to band at the top we are to about at the top we scholars now with the record. Secondly, Smith by found it so that tumors become increasingly used. We have inflammation from the 19th, from the 1770s. And all through the 80s 1800s. About people coming to this country. And seeing signs six and both six is common, absolutely accepted behavior here. And so when we talk about our ancestors, even though they still were required to have children, once you did that, you could do whatever you liked. Now I look back on it. And I think they why was my father surprised when I came home and said I was lesbian?
[00:02:26] And I think why?
[00:02:28] When someone comes and says I like boys and girls, I can't choose where ancestors are going, why just limit yourself to only those two.
[00:02:36] And I think
[00:02:40] and the nothing about a great parents looking at all the descendants and thinking, where did we go wrong, you cannot all be straight.
[00:02:51] And, and obviously, there's a disconnect Penny tear, because what happened, of course, and the 1840s, as colonization of our country began in earnest with the signing of the Treaty, the treaty was an event and a legal kind of legal document. But it's the process of colonization. So they bring in the missionaries, they bring into the things that say, certain practices that would always target sexual practices, always the first gotta go. And so it's a long road for our people then to come back to accept that we are still part of who we are. And it's actually natural in the straight ones are actually the ones that are but
[00:03:39] non traditional.
[00:03:42] And so this is all by way of being a long winded introduction to Allison, our actual speaker
[00:03:47] for tonight.
[00:03:49] And now Allison Lori when I talk about people who leave a legacy, and when it's so amazing to have these young people in the room is to remember all the things that have happened before us before we were born. For even I was born and before that, for decades, a long, long time people have been struggling for our rights on our behalf so that the children and generations after could live a better life. And so on to introduce Allison is Kotaku and Cornish. She, I believe, invented or created a woman studies, lesbian studies and now gender studies. She was the first person to do this in the hall of Australasia. She's legend around the world, in terms of lesbian activist, a lot of people who've studied will have learnt from Ellison and she's going to pick up the story. So we had this huge influx of settlers coming into our country, our people are being bombarded and we're fighting for our land, our culture and our survival.
[00:05:08] It's a great honor to come here and speak with you today.
[00:05:16] You want a future in tech
[00:05:22] it's one of the familiars.
[00:05:35] Of course, once you know rebellious women, especially rebellious women who liked cats, and
[00:05:43] and maybe if a cat, you know spoke to you, when you were speaking in that way, that would be a sign that you were a witch and you'd be headed with a one way ticket to the steak. And he is NDS that didn't happen.
[00:06:00] takes it to try to people
[00:06:02] trends have always existed in every society forever.
[00:06:07] We know that. So Why will the trouble
[00:06:15] and the number of explanations that
[00:06:19] a lot, of course is about power and control ways two
[00:06:23] ways that political different political authorities have more than to assert power and control and, and in many situations, we've been useful targets for them to build their oppressive movements, on a basis of ridding the world of us religions, which are another kind of organization for power and control. And I don't mean spirituality, because it's something else, but many organized religions of every kind, have made it their business to exterminate us, in one way or another.
[00:07:03] So those are some of those kinds of reasons not every society has had those kinds of unpleasantness. And since in there, there is no evidence at all that in Polynesia or North America or South America, before the advent of Europeans, that was really such a problem. As Elizabeth has shot sooner or later, you know, the invaders come sailing in, and they bring their laws or they bring their prejudices and they set it all up.
[00:07:36] If we go back a long way, and almost kind of pre history,
[00:07:41] they said they're
[00:07:43] some of the most wonderful,
[00:07:47] lesbian gay historians,
[00:07:48] people like john Boswell. And in fact, a whole generation of gay male historians died of AIDS.
[00:07:57] terrible thing, but john paul and john both will.
[00:08:03] He was
[00:08:06] with several very interesting books among them.
[00:08:11] homosexuality, Christianity and social tolerance, very interesting book and he says in there that is evil. And he was a great learned scholar
[00:08:20] with many languages, his name find evidence of
[00:08:25] same sex unions, marriages of your life, certainly with you know, rituals of some kind, man the adoptions.
[00:08:34] Certainly that's not unknown in Rome.
[00:08:37] effect Nero, buried a man at one point, that rid of Nero that you know, fiddled while Rome burns.
[00:08:45] The Greeks had lots of relationships.
[00:08:49] But men and women, how people interpreted these relationships was probably different from, from the ways we might do that today. But there's certainly the evidence is there.
[00:09:01] Through all of those kinds of societies are the types of Rome, we find similar
[00:09:07] patterns, we don't really find any,
[00:09:12] any great
[00:09:15] problem with it, until you start getting recording to both will until you get through the late Middle Ages.
[00:09:25] And this is because the the
[00:09:27] single event that changes everything, and nothing is ever the same again, as the as the great plague. The year
[00:09:35] of the great plague 40 of the pagan the 14th century changes everything. In some countries, two thirds of the population derives.
[00:09:43] People don't have a germ theory of disease,
[00:09:45] they don't know how it's transmitted. They think God is punishing them.
[00:09:50] They become Christian, by this point. In the monasteries of early modern Europe, possible found they were
[00:09:59] the same 16 unions between the max, they were prison songs,
[00:10:06] praising these kinds of relationships.
[00:10:11] And one of the things an interesting spoken because
[00:10:18] the case reminded me that one of the things one of the things that happened was because they started because they were so
[00:10:28] slow to play.
[00:10:31] They began persecuting, they looked for people who weren't Christianity, or they, they they targeted
[00:10:38] women and men who they civil witches.
[00:10:41] And one of the things that might continue was, which was because you would have a lot of hex, and they complex because they said there was the devil.
[00:10:52] So they feel really as a kid. Now, of course, they got an explosion of rats. And of course, we want to Canadians carry by the
[00:10:59] fleas that live on red. So in fact, exemplifies the situation, the movie.
[00:11:07] So what they began to do in the in the
[00:11:09] late Middle Ages was in searching their conscience is about why God could be punishing them of the civil disease. They thought it must be because the prisons, people who weren't practicing Christianity, for example, witches, and Jews, and also people committing sexual sin, so that when they start looking in the Bible, and they say, hey, look, look, you see, you're not supposed to have sex with the same sex and you're not supposed to masturbate.
[00:11:34] So God was punishing people.
[00:11:40] So they developed this idea of a dreadful, punishing God that just sets up the acquitted it
[00:11:45] to catch you out, and what is caught you actually going to be seeing the punishment. So they developed a very nasty idea of a god,
[00:11:53] which actually sued some people don't know because it means that you can have a very controlling church, and very controlling Bishop priests and things a few do that. So the church changed, really in those centuries, and began to have legislation against battery, and also against women line together. But the main sun for women with any kind of gender transgression
[00:12:15] within the secular
[00:12:18] aping men, behaving like men.
[00:12:23] So it's not about six women is it's a social,
[00:12:25] some color trends, which really gets the social role. And the most famous of the transvestite sex, of course, is joining the back. And the reason she gets whizzed off to the stage,
[00:12:38] she refuses to take off female clothing.
[00:12:41] And furthermore, she says St. Catherine, as it Michael have said that I have to wear the suit of armor and lead army and I'm not taking it off. No, I'm not putting on my makeup costume. So decibels. Sorry about that. So
[00:12:58] but the other, there are more Francisco.
[00:13:02] And that kind of transistors and actually is associated with
[00:13:06] earlier pagan religions and your voice of those kinds of arrangements.
[00:13:12] festival days with everybody cross streets,
[00:13:15] all kinds of things of the early pagan religions of Europe. But Christianity really wanted to stamp this kind of thing out. So you had the ecclesiastical courts, which bring people up for them. And we have some evidence and records of some of that the first law by the state's taking over from the ecclesiastical courts is here with the X 1533. That's the crucial year for legislation against any kind of well, it goes back again, six between me women are all
[00:13:54] homeless, but hearing aids, so worried about, you know, guys scrimmages
[00:14:02] wasn't.
[00:14:04] But it's an extremely
[00:14:05] useful law. Because if you're taking over the church and becoming it,
[00:14:11] and you actually want excuses
[00:14:13] to raid monasteries, and take
[00:14:15] their wealth
[00:14:18] is and because you have a belief that the 12344 guys right each other. So you Russian, put the soldiers in their wrist, a
[00:14:26] lot of them taken over the wealth and the library is closed,
[00:14:28] and I want to stress and it works really well. So European, me political reasons for this kind of legislation that more stays on the box in England. And there was similar was in other parts of Europe, and hardly any countries have laws against women having sex together? And that's largely because
[00:14:46] most of the men in the church don't anybody can be done.
[00:15:01] Peyton,
[00:15:02] whether or not
[00:15:04] how are you going to prove this analytical, sustained
[00:15:07] place between true mean,
[00:15:09] isn't enough to prove penetration alone? Or do you have to prove your mission?
[00:15:16] And then serious discussion
[00:15:23] with women, so often, they wouldn't let you read the case that you read about us, they'll say
[00:15:28] some woman who's got an enlarged cholesterol
[00:15:32] probably into six people. And so they'll get her. And it's just that she's been having sex with the devil and Peter for any woman was relaxed.
[00:15:43] Probably be another boy.
[00:16:00] Yeah. So
[00:16:03] it so that's sort of the state of the law.
[00:16:05] And the law was the it was the disciplinary for the battery, but seldom applied because it was hard. And in some of the accounts, for example, in earlier times, you get, you get the count of people, for example, a master who's a previous complains that that the master has been with them and screwing them. And the cases the food and they sit, sit back to look with the master for another six months until the court meets again.
[00:16:38] That's why
[00:16:39] john gray is the historian at some of those cases.
[00:16:43] Okay, so the last word for you that you recorded it, at&t, is, is removed.
[00:16:53] And it's these laws sets the state
[00:16:55] of the law, when this comes through
[00:16:59] New Zealand.
[00:17:01] It's unclear whether the Lord's eternal security advisor at 40,
[00:17:07] or whether they only applied from 1858,
[00:17:10] which was it, which made it very clear that every law that was passed in 1840, applied to New Zealand. So that indicates to me direct that there
[00:17:20] might have been some difficulties with you at 1418 for creators whether
[00:17:23] or not they could really do much about it. But today they did operating from the eighth, and an SSE free producers, we get convictions. And
[00:17:40] with the passage of the
[00:17:45] crime sex in England,
[00:17:49] in the 1890s
[00:17:53] you get the means went to the luxurious set, it says that any sexual activity between men public or private,
[00:18:03] fine labor, etc, often was convicted. And then within a New Zealand, and then what?
[00:18:14] Okay, provided for
[00:18:17] the presidency for flogging,
[00:18:21] you know, a very Christian
[00:18:25] and hard labor and never say, you know, that was the state of affairs for a lot of the 20th century,
[00:18:31] some reforms, which happens
[00:18:38] as we're trying to get to about 1961,
[00:18:40] which we get a great bigger be in front of the crowd.
[00:18:45] You get the first mention of women and New Zealand more. And that's the prohibits six between women over 21, and girls under 16.
[00:18:58] And you want to let tomorrow,
[00:18:59] young people but the problem is, once you put
[00:19:01] it into law, you can play around with those ages. And then you can just say, Well, actually, we're going to criminalize the whole. So there is a danger that's in the law at that point. See, that says at that point was seven years for men, mostly men got put in prisons, President New Plymouth. And from that time, you know, we all knew men who were in Trent. And that really completely wrecked their lives. I knew one guy who was he was entrapped in the 60s, he was a racing journalist
[00:19:35] and
[00:19:36] wait for to have died digest. And when television began, he he did those first racing programs, and trapped on a toilet and the railway station
[00:19:47] with prison and of course,
[00:19:51] after that was never allowed on Racecourse, again,
[00:19:54] because you're not if you're a convicted criminal.
[00:19:58] So he like many others Lyft New Zealand.
[00:20:01] So actually what we talked about a brain drain a brain drain of
[00:20:04] me people who
[00:20:08] live here, and they didn't feel that.
[00:20:14] And people who
[00:20:17] in the post war period, you get the formation of early camp
[00:20:21] communities. And the word we use he was camp, k MP. And it's a pan with can't say
[00:20:35] can't probably
[00:20:39] stands for
[00:20:41] known as male prostitute from police notebooks,
[00:20:46] because that's
[00:20:47] the only origin that people have identified, and came here from Australia.
[00:20:51] So it says introduce Zealand, Australia, as well as from Britain, as well as from the United States,
[00:20:57] not not from the United States, World War Two, with a whole lot of Americans here heading with creation and more research is being done now on the kind of input is labeled, which was pretty wild, six,
[00:21:17] six, and
[00:21:21] city Some people
[00:21:24] say that they click that did not do a lot of seats before the Americans came
[00:21:30] and introduced this very quickly practice, I don't know,
[00:21:33] three, that is how you put it back.
[00:21:41] Anyway,
[00:21:43] the word crowd, they were sort of visible
[00:21:48] in the cities, right from the beginning. And it should be when the country was full of people who managed somehow to live a couple traders somehow
[00:21:56] to flop under the dragnet, and to
[00:21:59] live below lies easier for women.
[00:22:03] Because they do want to tell
[00:22:03] those two corresponds to women.
[00:22:10] Because women don't see.
[00:22:15] But the trouble about their forces
[00:22:17] there. And in the search live done.
[00:22:21] It was so difficult for women to earn an independent living you can't live as
[00:22:27] Alicia, Alicia economically independent. So the liberation of listening
[00:22:33] is tightly tied, traditional
[00:22:38] position of women and women count in a living. Because again, if you could, I mean, you can show you can have an affair with the wife next door while you're both hiding from your husband. But you can't
[00:22:50] set up a household together or have a relationship or build a life together and makes you feel good the dog pounds.
[00:23:02] So mean, you're going to be suspected of being queers. So there's some evidence that what some hits have been did in New Zealand, and particularly rural areas was a pretty big brothers
[00:23:15] shift to another area here found
[00:23:16] together perhaps some sort of brothers,
[00:23:19] and then that you would think anything over. The other thing people did was to get married each other
[00:23:26] marriages what's sometimes not so because
[00:23:36] some, some
[00:23:39] instances with some gaming became a tree quite,
[00:23:42] you know, forceful and no one minds gonna get off with women are going to you're the mother of my children.
[00:23:53] unrestrained six going on, the children might see.
[00:23:58] So
[00:24:00] the differences between men and women because of the gender differences in our society and the different kinds of lives that men and women have had to
[00:24:06] lead. So
[00:24:12] from about the beginning of the 1960s, you get a
[00:24:15] phenomenon as the baby boomer generation comes of age, and there are more young people than they have been before. And it's also a generation that
[00:24:26] has a strong sense of entitlement. You know, people grew up in the shadow of the Second World War and and told that was for for, you know, and things are quite good in New Zealand is free local schools,
[00:24:38] you know, completely free education. from the cradle to the grave, if you wanted a free health, you know, it's actually a much bigger deal than any of you have ever had or likely.
[00:24:56] But this generation has had this full employment.
[00:24:59] So this should, actually is a sense of entitlement.
[00:25:01] And it's also more influence now
[00:25:04] from the United States, because there's better communications. And there are radical changes happening there with the same generation.
[00:25:11] And also, of course, from Britain, with, with some of the things that happened, there are
[00:25:15] these ideas about freedom,
[00:25:16] individual entitlement, liberty, and civil rights in the United States. And that's quite pertinent at the moment when we think of the President Obama, and some of the hacking back to
[00:25:34] the legacy boundaries battle with
[00:25:35] the king, and the whole civil rights movement. And it's from that civil rights movement that is born the notion
[00:25:40] of people who even became involved in that, especially the black people did, and then then again, over there in situation women
[00:25:49] began to say, well, it's really interesting
[00:25:50] you I am enrolling black voters in the southern states of
[00:25:55] America, but actually,
[00:25:57] Hello Kitty, hi, myself. And as it fits,
[00:26:02] the situation of women is really shifting. So what is the variation begins?
[00:26:07] And then a lot of lesbians and gaming and bisexual people begin to say, Well, yeah, and held is all the assassin terrible things happening to us. So gay liberation happens. And these are movements which really start to promote change, which really overthrown the ideas that people held about six and, and trends. That's from this time, that's data really generation essential began, you know, in 1969, the Stonewall
[00:26:42] bar in New York with the police
[00:26:45] yet again, rated the bar and
[00:26:48] this time in report back
[00:26:52] to putting a lot of great queens and
[00:27:00] Sportback. And this was an explosion throughout the world.
[00:27:04] Now calibration screens everywhere within within three years time here,
[00:27:09] not easy to
[00:27:13] generation at Oakland University by calling a meeting in schools, because she's been denied visa to the United States because she's an acknowledged trauma sexual. And of course, homosexuals were among the prohibited categories of people going to the states.
[00:27:28] So meetings held and calibration forms. Within six months, they were branches throughout the country. So generations is gay as proud
[00:27:39] is innocent. That's a really interesting
[00:27:43] statement, which may not be meaningful to your generation.
[00:27:48] But for people who've been in prison theory being treated like shit and perverts, people who've been despised by their families, people will be fired from the job, excellent movie, anything at bicycle. Right?
[00:28:07] It's astonishing, that suddenly there are people on the street saying we are innocent. We've done nothing.
[00:28:15] And guys proud.
[00:28:18] And then the analysis in the theory years,
[00:28:20] because calibration starts to say things which are radical, even now more radical and a lot of the
[00:28:27] sentence right?
[00:28:30] and subsequent Elizabeth feminism says,
[00:28:34] we want to bring out the lesbian and gay men.
[00:28:40] We don't think they're just special people who do this with a given what it should be doing. And actually what is really weird is your sexuality
[00:28:50] was going to be forced into it.
[00:28:53] And why why people trying something else? What's wrong with all these people that are leaving Friday?
[00:29:00] medicals, this is as we move into the 70s you get me people talk about the 60s very often they made the 70s since the 70s is when a lot of these things start to happen here
[00:29:14] from 1973.
[00:29:16] When we started the first listen organization here, sisters for homophobia, equality, bizarre name, you might think, well, you couldn't use that no new thing with print the way you think wasn't pornographic. I personally went to the prison Christchurch and tried to make them like what
[00:29:39] was getting very agitated about them, you know, refusing my advertisement.
[00:29:45] The
[00:29:48] so that was an acronym shaky. So that word and and we started the first is a magazine called the circle gave me an organized someone earlier with, with the Dorian society 1962 largely social organization, but was the legal subcommittee at the door in society in 1963. That was here in Wellington, the first premises were in administration that had several
[00:30:13] failures around Wellington. In fact,
[00:30:15] we've got a big
[00:30:17] moment,
[00:30:18] recording the stories of men who are involved with the door in society, and women who are involved with cup
[00:30:23] 41. And this will emerge out of shape,
[00:30:28] and start of 1974. And that was 41, because it was at 41 billion straight. So these are the first beginnings of organizations. And soon for the 70s we get the National Gay Rights Coalition, which
[00:30:49] was an umbrella organization with with over 30
[00:30:55] affiliated kinds of Israel, the only one of which still exists is now over.
[00:31:05] Did you see starts very
[00:31:09] clear objectives about changing the law, but also changing attitudes.
[00:31:17] And there is an uneasy relationship between the older the older, you know, members of the various communities and younger people younger people feel that it's more important to change the attitudes. There the chat simply change the law, which many older people feel hard for anyone just get that law change will just duck under the No, no, we won't bother people we just which this we are not different from you, we just want the law changed. And we promised not to be in your face. You know,
[00:31:48] we're a say younger people felt it was very important to be in your face.
[00:31:53] Now how many people that are made,
[00:31:55] people would actually say to one another, you know, this is sort of precarious, right? Around that time, you know, what would your worst nightmare be? You know, people say oh my
[00:32:05] god, just saying that if you wake up in the morning, you know, your name was in the newspaper saying your career
[00:32:12] you know, but within a very short space of time, we had people out on the streets openly with Becca saying hi mom and really doing enterprise stuff. And really committed to changing things and one like he kind of sacrifice and there are people who have been fantastic sacrifices so that you could sit here today I could name them but they don't mean anything to you in a short because you
[00:32:49] can be women is when jack
[00:32:51] jack speed. JACK was no been Oh, so he had
[00:32:57] minority me
[00:33:00] gay from when he was very young widow the seas
[00:33:04] together, came back
[00:33:07] 1962 was formed the
[00:33:11] legal subcommittee of the Korean society and worked tirelessly from 1962
[00:33:15] three to 1984 when he died and he never saw him sexual was one but he fought for it.
[00:33:22] And when you look when you go through the the the archives, which are in the in the National Library of materials from Jacqueline, we see we die looking in the newspapers writing leases, whining is people sitting out there taking all kinds of shit, you know, and just working his butt off. And so that's why, you know, it didn't just come from nowhere. liberation doesn't just happen. Oh, goodness me. I didn't realize you wanted a coupe.
[00:34:03] Oh, goodness, I didn't realize that women wanted to try
[00:34:13] out DNA we must just do that doesn't happen like that. You fight for it. And you lose.
[00:34:21] And you go on and on. And you don't give it up. That part of the rationale for a lot of people who fought
[00:34:29] and another one whose name I'll give you as Barry Neil's extraordinary men, who also fought and defensively but parties at his house long before the Dorian began, was pleased with the Dorian began because then they didn't have to have them in their house.
[00:34:47] He was part of the key ways.
[00:34:51] His partner was poor McGill.
[00:34:54] And Paul went to prison for five years during World War Two as a conscientious objector. That takes courage, the country Kant's
[00:35:02] and they kept them in the camps until 1946. And so every man came back.
[00:35:09] In the country camps, there were lots of gaming.
[00:35:12] So there are wonderful example. They were pacifists.
[00:35:14] They stood up for what they believe. And somebody like McGill who'd
[00:35:21] came from that kind of background. Fighting for homosexual Lords woman gay rights was just another step on that road for standing up for your beliefs and saying I don't care what ship they throw at me, it's worth it. I'm not going to be the I'm not really one of these people that you know, sits about calling up the Bama why employer pleasing my heroes, pleasing people, people pleasers cannot be trusted. You know, because they'll sell you out every time because in some way they want to smooth the path for themselves. So commitment, commitment to a cause requires many other things all of us anyway, two Academy, very, very long history shorter.
[00:36:13] Has it will reform was finally achieved 1986 after the most tyranny campaign, the campaign we're
[00:36:23] the opposition forces organized
[00:36:25] very strongly with funding from overseas from all kinds of organizations connected to the American religious right, which of course, is very politically active, they're very well funded. And
[00:36:37] the country was completely divided.
[00:36:39] They took a petition from door to door, they took it to workplaces.
[00:36:45] They were there in the street to that against homosexual law reform.
[00:36:49] Me, please, the gay people signed it themselves because
[00:36:52] people were frightened in a workplace, your posture,
[00:36:55] your sinus, and then they wait private talk themselves, because they've done it would
[00:37:04] you know, so they were these meetings these people have on their conferences? I hate the Salvation Army. I've
[00:37:08] never given them a piece and said
[00:37:13] they might apologize. But they never
[00:37:18] really understood what they did to us.
[00:37:22] was to decent people. Our treatment.
[00:37:28] Yeah, that's right.
[00:37:31] That's right. Don't give them any money.
[00:37:35] If you want to give to a charity, if you've got things you want to give, you know, to a shop, give thanks to hospice shop by
[00:37:42] the good people.
[00:37:44] Salvation Army, and
[00:37:48] the second part of the bill was lost.
[00:37:52] But it came again in 1991. And we got that message through 1993. And that was the addition of sexual orientation
[00:37:59] to human rights,
[00:38:00] which means prevention of discrimination and employment,
[00:38:03] housing, and goods and services, doesn't mean people can't be bloody light and nasty, and we haven't got any legislation is hate
[00:38:11] crimes, but at least that law will protect you. And you can take cases against the difficulty to deal with that cases if you need to be out for that, but at least that has laid the groundwork for subsequent legislation which has occurred, you know, in this century, such as the civil civil union legislation 2004, such as a right now to,
[00:38:40] to have the partners name on bits of evidence for children.
[00:38:46] And homes around adoption, and these kinds of things. Not everything has been done.
[00:38:52] So awfully, that the all of this begins really not even so much in the
[00:39:00] political organizing, but in the courage of the men and women, and the others who
[00:39:09] can't be formed the basis of those first communities around Wellington, and Christchurch.
[00:39:17] People who people in hangout
[00:39:21] furniture and people who are prepared to be visible and outdated, but physically for the place, but we have a sense of community and chip that going through those dark times. And from that basis, the political organizations could emerge as a new generation chain with better education and entitlement. So that we are where we are today. But everything that you've got
[00:39:48] isn't, you know, isn't that
[00:39:54] so, the price of this is eternal vigilance. And it's been repeated, say other people sought to give me these freedoms files. To keep the fight to him, the more the more emotional was, take the lies, and
[00:40:11] I think that's a very good mantra. Take the lies, and feed it on. Don't bloody extinguishers. Don't say, Oh, well, you know, I bought it, so everything's fine.
[00:40:20] You have to preserve that. And you have to make sure you can hand it off. And you have to say the same thing that I haven't seen a baby
[00:40:31] that's being born right now. And so that actually is basically boom.
[00:40:36] You know, they're just shouting out
[00:40:41] the clear and the way they don't realize what they've been
[00:40:48] up to you what you do now. What you do now
[00:40:52] will make that will make sure to
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