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HLR30 Hands On

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in [00:00:04] My name is Craig and I believe very strongly in queer community and have been quite amiss or steeped in queer communities since around the age of a teen or increasingly in my 20s. I'm now 33. And I'm not an academic person, although people think probably that I would be, I actually am such a slow reader that I have to have practical skills to have fun. But Christmas is not my fun. So I got a certificate and relaxation massage a few years back, and I am really into the idea of humans, a few human animals is grooming creatures who who touch one another. And we have quite now quite a touch phobic society, I think. And that is say, because safe and affectionate touches is very, very healing and lovely. And name, because there's a whole lot of homosexual Law Reform 30th anniversary events coming up in Wellington this year. I got to thinking about how criminalization affects the body and how criminalization is all about shame. It is about society and the state, telling people to be ashamed of the bodies the desires, criminalizes of fiction at tache, which is what sex can be. I mean, there's a whole lot of ranges of different kinds of sex, but it's all consenting, essentially, it's a kind of touch that is supposed to be good and feel good and good for you, and everything like that. So I think that, to have an event where we're using healing and relaxing touch to thank the people who, who were activists and protested and who were criminalized. 30 years ago, is, is a nice sort of a thing. So that's why we're doing it live very hands on and I'm getting together a small team of volunteers who are both queer identified and trained in some form of massage or bodywork, not all the same thing. I do relaxation massage, but there's a deep tissue massage provider and bone technique and cranium cycle and other things like that. But they're all healing touch. And, and so it's I'm getting together a team of people to do that, to offer that as a sort of a drop and seem to that we're sitting up at this all on the second and third of April, and 2016, and you will in March will be actively pushing for and inviting people who were activists or who know people who were because I think they'll be the weird thing where people don't want to put their hands up and coming get myself. So we'll be encouraging people to refer others on and tell them tell untitled they are. If they want to, [00:03:03] do you think the body can hold on to that kind of that kind of negative energy, that tension for that next time would would dissipate? [00:03:13] i? I believe it can. And then the Yeah, I think it even sort of shapes the body. Because if you walk around holding your muscle teens unconsciously, for a long enough period of time, it kind of becomes a thing, a part of your body a kink in, it would definitely be practitioners who would who would be adamant that is stored in the cells, that your body has emotional memory. And I mean, I've certainly seen, you know, like, if you mess up people long enough, you, you do have times when people start crying on your table, because they're remembering something that hit them three years ago, you know, why not? 30 years ago, I don't know. Not that we're aiming to make people cry or anything like that. It's not necessarily to be cathartic. But certainly I know that at the time that you are experiencing a lot of shame. And at the time that you are experiencing a lot of anger or indignation or humiliation or fear. At that time, it really does affect the body and is held in your body. And I can't really say how long that is helpful. I think there's quite a nucleus sort of a Christian. But I think if I were an older activists who've been around 30 years ago, I could imagine myself still having a kind of a need for that to be recognized and that to be rubbed out of me, I think that would be really nice. Anyway, it would be nice to feel that I was being thanked for my, for my bravery. I think they were very brave and courageous. All of them anyone who was not even necessarily out as gay because I know a lot of people came out as gay and bisexual at that time, but also people who felt that they were did need for their own safety to remain in the closet, but who was supporting others who were, who were out on the streets or public became the public faces of homosexual law reform. Will will be offering messages across the board, not not just gay men, but also, you know, lesbian women, trans women who I believe almost certainly enjoyed as much persecution as gay men at that time. Yeah, and a lot of other kind of queer identities, who were involved in the campaign. I cannot really get my head around how it must have been to have lived in that time when there isn't any internet and I grew up in a pre internet time. So I do understand that but to lived in a pre internet time, when you've got this massive need for connection with your community, and for your community to need your community that way into really desperately need to say that there were others like you hear these stories to go on. Okay, oh my god, there's so many people who are like me, which we can just get with the touch of a button now just Google it. And they must've. I mean, I know that they communicate like that, you know, the small communities did form, they were able to find each other. They were little newsletters and pamphlets, and very DIY sorts of ways of sharing the cultural information. But I also think there were people who probably struggled to find that community and to have a sense of community. And so it was a scary time. That's my theory. Scary and brave. Anyone who anyone who did anything towards homosexual low form was brave. [00:06:42] And [00:06:43] yeah, I'm grateful as a young queer person. So yes, what was the question? Don't answer the question, [00:06:50] you asked the question. I'm wondering, I know I do this. But do you ever kind of try and put yourself back say 30 years and wonder how how you would agree directed what you would have done? [00:07:03] Yes, a nice. I mean, I guess all I can do is I can only transpose my young adult adult self now onto my young adult self in the 80s. And I guess that I would have been as fiery in publicly lives in a bath it at the time. They think transgender wasn't really the transgender male transgender masculinity wasn't so much of a thing. Maybe Butch was I think I've only been a butch Lee's. And I would have, I would have been protesting and campaigning on on behalf of the guys. But that's, it's important to make a distinction. I think that you know, female bodied people wouldn't be criminalized. So it was, in a way easier for them safer, simply safer for them to be loud, and proud, and app in you? No, of course, they were gay men who were also but just it was probably scarier and less safe for them to be out. I don't know. But so to answer that question, I can only answer it from a female bodied perspective, which is to say, Well, I, I think I would have been loud and obnoxious and rude to all the stress. Yeah. [00:08:22] Are there any activists or people from that period that you like really look up to or that really kind of stand out to you? [00:08:30] I, you know, I really, really admire the top twins, who I didn't think I used to think because they were on TV three, they were quite mainstream. And but then I saw the top twins the movie, and I realized just how radical they are. And we're not just around homosexual reform, but also around the modern rights movement, as well. Either they're brave and really choice and I also, I also really admire the likes of Carmen pay and Gina buyer for sort of the same reason, just being out and proud and unashamed, I think, you know, like Catherine shame with unashamed witness is the boss. And that's, that's what I did. It's not to say, as I've said, you know, will be messaging people who were in the closet. We it's not, it's not, it's not a bad thing to have been in the closet back then. Or to be in the closet now. But in terms of role models, I have to look at the ones I can see, I guess. So. Yeah. [00:09:36] When you're massaging people for the Sabine to you trying to also try out stories, or it's simply just a message that's [00:09:44] simply just to message and provide relaxation therapy and appreciation. Yeah. I mean, there we go. It's not like will be shutting down. Anybody who wants to talk and they may very well want to reminisce into is when you're trying to miss as you kind of, there's some kind of I'm not counseling element that goes with it, but just that you, you do allow people to make space for them to say things that they need to say things and then yeah, [00:10:14] so yeah, we'll see [00:10:15] what got you into relaxation massage. [00:10:19] Well, my, my profession I work over and media and, and when I was very young, like I, I worked in a print shop that leave me eventually intermediate and, and working in the print, so do some proofreading. And that leads me into media. And in the print shop, we were publishing some message manuals for Michelle's massage school nearby that was in London, and I just while I was busy photocopying, and collecting all the binder binding them and they read them and I just thought, wow, this sounds really doable. Like it's not, it's not hard, like, like, it's not massively complete. So you know, I have to be specifically special person to be able to get your head around this stuff and door. And yeah, it just stayed with me how interesting and attractive to me that was uncertain when I moved back home didn't need in the next year. Or it might have been a few years, but I originally enrolled in the Lotus College of Natural therapies down here, which is not, not not like a, you don't do sort of like a two year to that we can do a two year diploma, thing, but they also do sort of 20 week [00:11:37] 10 week, teen week, and then [00:11:40] first aid certificate, and also you get assessments, you have to do 100 hours of practical to give you sort of get in and it was like a good amount of study and learning for me to be able to stick through and do it and follow through and yeah, just it's so different from reading books. Anything to do with words on the paper, and it's so human. And yeah, I think growing up I, I wanted more fiction than I received from my mother in particular. And so it's really nice to be able to kind of be in a be like a safe body touch contact row with other people as well. Like I mean, I find it rewarding as well to give a fiction that touch this affectionate sound, make it sound like it's sexual, not sexual, very boundaries and good. But it's just so human. It's so humane. And that is what appeals to me about it. [00:12:48] It's interesting what you're saying earlier about how we so this kind of touch now and I'm just wondering if you could kind of expand on it. So you know why. And it seems such humanly just [00:13:02] yeah. [00:13:06] I don't know. I mean, it's when I say that I I'm speaking as a as a westernized white person who sort of reasonably middle class kind of life. I guess my job is quite middle class or something? I don't know. I think, why. think that it would be a nexus between our touch phobia [00:13:25] and the kind of like onslaught, [00:13:28] we constantly seeing billboards and media and advertising that make us feel afraid of germs. ashamed of bodies, like Body Body here, and any kind of blemishes or imperfections and maybe we're sort of maybe we become afraid in our own skin. And it makes us afraid to touch others as well. Maybe it's maybe it's individuals going around afraid in their own skin, rather than necessarily actually afraid of everybody else. But we predict our fear of ourselves on to other people as well. I don't know that's a theory. [00:14:09] Has there been like a similar event in terms of massaging kind of older emphasis before? Or is this something completely new? [00:14:16] I will one of my one of the team of volunteers. Kalika says he's done our elders appreciation days before I think that might be Mariah based. And he's a Llama Llama practitioner. And I think he I think he's gone out to Medina and done it. We're not necessarily because they were activists. But on the other hand, just by living your life, you're you're kind of an activist if you know, I mean, like if you're for if you belong to any group that is marginalized or needs to stand up to bully at any point, then by living your life, steady and confident and proud and just being and then of yourself, then you are an activist. [00:15:04] Do you like that word activist? [00:15:07] I don't think I have a problem with it. Yes, I like it. [00:15:12] in somebody else's language you're using so you're using when spoke? queer? What? Yeah, I wanted to talk about language because I mean, I I find it really interesting how people either identify themselves or identify groups. [00:15:27] Hmm, yeah. And in particular, with it, I think with that generation, from the 70s and 80s, who were protesting, but the the may have been, perhaps fewer identities with under the queer umbrella floating around like that. I think we're mostly talking about people who would have identified is gay lesbians. Maybe trends seek tools or transvestites as well at that time. And obviously, bisexuality, I don't know if you know about that was a lot of conflict between the lesbian identified in the bisexual identified women at that time. [00:16:09] And [00:16:10] I know that some from that generation object to the object of the term quickly, they don't, it's not that they object so much as they don't identify with the term queer because for them, it was maybe told you so that it hasn't been written claimed others I think have reclaimed it that's different for them. [00:16:28] And then yet, trans trans identities like I think a butch is a form of transgender. [00:16:35] identity. And for me, it's trans masculine. And that is what I am, I'm, I feel like I've got a lot of parallels with people who medically transition and need to transition, you don't feel the need to do that. And so I don't know, AB generation may be has a lot of space for a lot of different, you know, we have gender, queer, gender, fluid, androgynous, non binary, all of these terms, which are quite new that I don't think they were floating around in the 70s, and 80s. So terms, in terms of terms, I have to make sure that when I when I call people to come and be message that I do focus on or try to use terms that they actually would likely use for themselves, while also when I'm calling for people to be volunteers. Use the broad scope of terms that are available now. And I guess what I'm hoping is this a bridge day that I understand that these beings are my ancestors, my aunties, people who identified the fence on my aunties, as are people who identify as bisexual as you know, that and I guess, yeah, I don't know how much the younger generation necessarily think of those people. Is it ancestors, even if they don't use the same terms, but I guess I would hope that they can see what they are. And here it is, what they've inherited and socially, not. Anything else? I don't know. Yeah. [00:18:14] So growing up, Can you recall the first say, Rainbow queer friend in the media, so you know, I could political have been so like, we hit on social reform and the 80s, which you would have been born what 82 and I would Born [00:18:32] in 82. I was four years old. So I probably [00:18:34] wouldn't do remember the [00:18:37] I can remember john banks on the radio on on on [00:18:44] radio Pacific. Maybe at that time, I can remember him having rants about stuff, although I feel like that would have been in 1989. [00:18:54] So I don't know what he was ranting about. I kind [00:18:56] of remember, there was a bit of a tremble in the house when that law was [00:19:00] passed or something. Yeah. [00:19:04] After orphan care, I mean, what what's the next big bit of kind of legislation or kind of political movement on the queer communities that you your [00:19:14] civil unions? And there's 2005, isn't it? So the in 2006 was the 20th anniversary of homosexual reform, which I believe you did a thing on Radio New Zealand's website [00:19:27] about writing it at that [00:19:29] time. So I mean, the civil unions, and I remember the 20th anniversary of homosexual or form, and, you know, differently fought for civil unions, although I wanted gay marriage, and I thought civil unions was [00:19:42] a trick [00:19:46] to keep us as second class citizens [00:19:51] while pretending that it was equal, but I don't I don't believe that. And so I'm glad that we got gay marriage in the in because it was 2013 gay marriage, same sex marriage bill was passed, and then it's good. And now I'm married. And I never was civil unionized. And I'm pleased about it. Anyway. [00:20:10] Yeah. As far as I know. [00:20:12] But I guess what do we have the Human Rights Act? was 1991. [00:20:17] Bill of Rights. [00:20:21] was 393. Early 90s. Yeah. [00:20:24] Yeah. And that includes provisions for no discrimination on [00:20:29] the basis of sexual orientation. [00:20:31] Yeah, so Okay, so there's a timeline. The last night for the next one in civil unions, [00:20:37] and the gay marriage. [00:20:39] So do you remember things like say where you're willing to win the discipline in church [00:20:42] managed? No, I [00:20:44] was still living Indonesian but we definitely did things to counter destiny church Indonesian I can member making firewood with [00:20:51] Brian Tamaki stenciled onto a [00:20:54] stack of sticks was to Brian Thomas at [00:20:59] the beginning. Like what? [00:21:02] Yeah, that was definitely scary. And again, these two Gina by on the steps of Parliament, just show I don't know whether she shouted down the matches, and she didn't know that she was face to face with Brian. I can't remember. But I know that that was like, it was electrifying [00:21:17] watching me on telly, and made me cry. [00:21:21] She's awesome. I hope she will come and get MS. Ash. [00:21:26] How's it going? How's it going? Finding funding activists? [00:21:30] Well, I've got sort of more of a time plan at the moment, I'm really focused on getting my volunteer team together in you know, making sure it's a reliable tape, who will show up and getting the kind of framework around the event in place, I get to think about the tables and screens and things like that. And March, which is next month, for the listeners listening matches the big drive to get get people to make bookings, and come to us, but the thing that is interest in it as a general idea. Yeah, I mean, it always is someone who's kind of involved in the methodology world, it seems like an easy enough thing for me to go and get a message. But I know that there are lots of people out there who have never had a message. [00:22:19] And that would be really [00:22:20] good. People are curious [00:22:22] about the heaven, one who've not had one before, I hope that we can create an environment where they can feel trusting enough to bring themselves [00:22:32] and for one, that would be really awesome. So hopefully, [00:22:36] that will work out. [00:22:39] Is there anything that that we can do to help help you calling for people, listening, [00:22:48] people listening, if people if people want to get involved? [00:22:52] I, I need, I need a couple [00:22:55] of runners to be [00:22:57] basically loan during during the day visit, there's a laundry directly across the road. And we have to be washing towels and drying them and bring them back to the whole the Super Bowl, maybe someone to be in the kitchen heaven cups of tea ready and stuff for both the [00:23:14] activists in them. [00:23:16] Mr. observes, if you're listening, and you are actually a queer trained massage therapist, I've got about eight [00:23:22] volunteers at the moment, but I can still use more. [00:23:26] And so yes, you are King, please visit the website, will you put a link to the website or just tell the website is HL at 30 And, and yeah, you might be able to join the team that would be awesome. And also, we are going to train a small group of people who are not trained in massage or body work to be able to do just some feet massages, and he's making shoulder messages. And that will be so that activists can come in, they don't have to make an appointment. They can just dropping have a foot massage or like 15 [00:24:02] minutes for massage or he can shoulder massage. [00:24:05] And yeah, we'll be running a training day for that. Probably early March that people are interested in the net side of it. That would be cool, too. [00:24:15] Is this something you'd like to see, like say annually, or it's quite [00:24:21] stressful to organize it [00:24:25] was not something that I wouldn't like to see happen annually. I think that would be really cool to have it happen annually. I guess I would need more of an organizing committee thing to help plan it out. If I were to do it annually. I don't mind project managing but it does mean that I'm thinking in the future a lot and I don't I prefer to be just thinking in my present day. And [00:24:46] it had I am a mess. Mess [00:24:48] massager a mess. And [00:24:51] I just happened to be organizing this thing now. So yeah, it will be cold it will happen every year. I don't [00:24:57] know if I will organize it for you. [00:25:00] So you've got volunteers What about kind of funding houses as it's being funded? [00:25:05] Cold so I don't work as a method for efficiently I do it from time to time to get my hand and so I have a reasonably okay paid job. So I am self funding this project with with my [00:25:19] with my side monies [00:25:20] of which I don't actually have heaps of disposable income but so that's why we're doing some fundraisers. One is the indomitable community spirited. Jake Lynch is organizing a film screening, which will be on the sixth of March. I think next Sunday. a lighthouse Cuba and film is called Is it like the woman in the vein or yet the woman in the van which does Maggie Smith it's about this woman who packs up in someone's driveway and just lives there for 15 years or something? I think the guy's a famous is Ellen been a famous person. He's famous in some way anyway, so it's just this movie. This woman it just moves into the driveway. Which sounds pretty cool. And I think tickets are 20 bucks of which of which 11 or which nine goes towards HLR 30 hands on in this Facebook have been for that which you should be able to find on Facebook if you go to Jake Lynch's page you will find Jake Lindsey everybody knows jack so just ask jack [00:26:17] and and that will be really really awesome just because [00:26:20] oh yeah, well I should note that a couple of this is a national event because I'm flying up to miss to Miss Miss Miss Susan one Mr. from Geneva and, and one Miss Seuss Alma sir from Auckland. And when I say I don't know what pronouns they use, I don't know whether they'll be more suitable Mr. messager from Oakland. So so people are coming from Auckland entity and I'm just buying it flights at the moment. And so that's the sort of thing that that contributions will go towards covering is is transport. We hope to be able to have activists come down from up the coast as well and we'll make sure that the train trip is covered pitfall was covered. So they don't have to pay to get themselves into town for massage and things like oil, phone, screens, stuff like that, that they're the sorts of costs that we need help with. And also I myself I'm giving a a relaxation message once a week at home with the studio room the for 30 bucks, which is quite a good deals full body message. That's once a week between now and April. The second and third which is Arabic

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