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[00:00:02] You get into people's homes and lives and experiences in a way that you could speak to someone for 20 years, and not actually go through and ask the questions about where were you born? Who were your parents? What school did you go to? I've known this chap for 25 years who I recently did a profile of him and his partner in his house and nio that been there 20 years about to leave for a farmer than the wire ever. I photographed them in their house quite ordinary sort of situations, took a tape recorder along and said, Hey, [00:00:36] where were you born? [00:00:37] Who were your parents, and this whole wealth of information that came out, [00:00:41] I think [00:00:42] it's about the ability to capture a range of moments and moods, I think it's that photography can Scott that split second quality. And in the end, also, that generates an element of chance as well. But it's not until you get the role of 36 photographs back that you absolutely see some of what you've got. Somebody say painting portraits, at a much slower process. There's much more input from the artist. Whereas so photographer, it it's fairly, even between what the what the photographer puts on and what the subject puts in. And even to an extent what chance puts on [00:01:28] once you move out of the audience and become a reporter or photographer at an event, a whole different series of mental patterns. Dr. Your experience of the day, I have been to beacons of hope and devotion as a participant and as a photographer. And there's a very, very big difference. The first or second beacons of hope, I understand from other people and looking around looking at other people in the future, I took other people, there was a very moving event, I came away pleased that I managed to capture high quality images, [00:02:10] well that [00:02:12] they've done the right things I've been in the right spot at the right time I anticipated where the light was going to fall and all those kind of technical issues, and completely lost the emotional experience that everybody else or the other people in the event had, [00:02:27] it was interesting that [00:02:31] that was supported to a large degree by the straight community. So the crowd was very, very mixed. But I found that a number of the gay people I was sort of photographing, were a bit suspicious of me, I think they were not sure that they wanted to have the pictures taken a net, you know, to be to be caught or identified as being there. Which I found quite interesting because the straight people in the crowd, as far as you can tell he was gay or straight. We're not worried by this. And I thought it was quite an interesting thing about those people still not really being that comfortable about being identified at a gay event. Even though all the presumably all the straight people there were there to be supportive and join and sort of celebrate and commemorate and beacons of hope event, [00:03:35] I don't necessarily find photographing gaming easy at all. It's not I don't think at all. [00:03:44] Arranging times, and fitting in with the issue jewels, and fitting in with the personalities [00:03:52] is can be quite difficult. [00:03:55] You might have been [00:03:58] to a film festival film or something and someone who was quite friendly to you yesterday, doesn't want to know you today is that lack of confidence in the game in that is the real [00:04:11] deficiency, I think [00:04:11] and in public can be quite off putting [00:04:14] friends of mine have told me about walking down Courtney place and actually seen people disappearing into shops to avoid seeing them. [00:04:23] This there's an aspect to gay culture that's [00:04:27] most desirable. [00:04:29] And this certainly comes out in taking photographs. [00:04:36] Depending on [00:04:37] the event, or where you're at, and [00:04:39] all kinds of things, but [00:04:41] there's no excuse not to try. [00:04:50] I suppose [00:04:51] this game in that I haven't photograph that I have seen that don't have that level of pride, come arrogance, of having climbed mountains and got the top there are sufficient numbers of them who [00:05:07] who would consider themselves failures in life. [00:05:12] And I haven't photographed a lot, I'd say in that category. But failure and failure is a very subjective word. They might be failures in terms of what their parents think of them, but I can think of people that haven't succeeded financially or academically, [00:05:31] but have done [00:05:34] very clever things artistically [00:05:37] that, [00:05:39] that society has has recognized and [00:05:43] Sure. [00:05:46] Even amongst some of them, I can see that degree of pride slash arrogance where they [00:05:52] you know, I call the queen and Chris factor net stuffy, you know, and [00:05:59] pay some of the envious of that [00:06:02] aspect and, and a bit of all year, you know, I want [00:06:05] I want to capture on film that [00:06:10] stuff you look, [00:06:12] I think there's still a degree of sort of internalized sort of homophobia, I think, I think we still have to be careful about who we ask ourselves to. There's there's still a large degree of hostility towards gay people. And the photograph, I suppose, is a bit of a threat because it lasts. And so although people might be happy to be at the event, and be seen by other people who are sort of supportive, capturing a photograph, suddenly, you lose control of where that image goes to, and may pop up some way that they, they would wish it not to [00:06:58] people, when asked nowadays to be photographed, as gay men [00:07:06] seemingly have the confidence now to say yes, all doors. In the last week, I've asked to gaming, whether they would be photographed at home and at work. And both of them have got partners. And I know both of the partners and they know me. And I was interesting to notice that both gave me and said yes. But I'll have to ask my partner about whether they would does. So there wasn't that confidence to speak on behalf of other people. So we've got the first and most important level people will commit themselves, but they will not commit other people. If I am, if I asked my brother in law and sister, if I asked my brother in law, can I take a photograph of you and, and and your wife, I'm sure he would speak on behalf of here. I'm not sure that's necessary, right. But it does say something about the level of confidence, you've got to level probably level one. But in these two circumstances, one person felt their partner might not be too happy, happy they're having the photograph taken. But when it goes into the archive, [00:08:17] who will have access to it. [00:08:21] logins or the lesbian and gay archives of New Zealand was established out of the gay rights Resource Center, which did a lot of the lobbying through the 70s. And I missed a bunch of material and was a tremendous source for those campaigning during the 1980s during the homosexual Law Reform Bill campaign. [00:08:48] Following the successful passing of the campaign, the [00:08:52] rooms that the materials held, and we were attacked by an arsonist, and some of the material was lost and a lot of was smoke damaged. And at that time, the Chief Librarian at the temple library offered safe accommodation for the material in the temple library, because he recognized that it was a nationally and even internationally significant resource. So it was transferred to the chamber library and and the organization was renamed and incorporated under a Trust Board. To become leggings is it now is the material is both books and cereals, periodicals, magazines from all over the world. That an important part of it is personal papers, that people have Lyft diaries and notebooks and photographic collections. They're also the organizational papers of various groups. AIDS Foundation, for example, early papers, launched their access to the collection is through the timber library staff. There's quite a good and involved agreement agreement with the library, about terms of access and that sort of thing. So there are only specific staff who have access to the material and they are appointed as as curators by the logins Trust Board. And this relies on a good degree of of goodwill between the library and in the trust, which hip later date has been very good. [00:10:39] The purpose and [00:10:41] documenting gay issues is [00:10:44] that as abnormal as gayness as a society, it is normal. What we know from the animal world that homosexuality is, in fact, part of the everyday activities of [00:10:58] quiet of animal species, [00:11:00] the nervousness or the [00:11:02] so called nervousness that society is placed upon us, as gaming, this beans [00:11:09] appears to be totally misplaced, that [00:11:13] if you like, the architect of the human species had had a sense humor, and had this degree of yin and Yan about the thing that was created in that maybe 80% of society or 9% of society was going to, to use their skills and bodies and emotions in one way. But there was this other side of the coin all the time, the yin and the yang. And [00:11:43] the, [00:11:44] if you like, it's [00:11:47] the survival of the progress of gaming and society is, in a way reflects the maturity or lack of maturity of the societal base from which they come from. [00:12:02] Coming from Greek and Roman society, through the middle, and [00:12:06] the dark, and the Middle Ages and the period of Renaissance and the Industrial Revolution through to the colonization of New Zealand, if pretty well got everything from black to white in terms of how gaming, [00:12:21] or witches or deviance have been treated. [00:12:23] Now, I feel at the present time, we may have even climbed the top of the cliff, we may be at the extreme of liberal society, there. Enough is enough evidence around the moment suggests that there are strong fundamental pressures. If the economy slumps, and we go into a really long recession, it may be in fact that it's a Philly family and home government that's elected that some of the liberal values that have been as powers, we may not be able to afford them any longer. EO and those movements in the public service and unemployment may infected here. I was at cabaret last week and thought, Hey, listen, this is 1935 97 or something. And all of a sudden, you know, this all disappeared, this wonderful phrases it that was happening in Berlin, it was pulled away, like, as quickly as a carpets removed off the floor. And this is one of the important things I think in documenting photographically or having some record of the activities of people in society a day, because it will change it won't last forever. So what we see in in the newspapers and on TV, and the homes program, and that sort of thing, it all seems like it's all happening and we'll go on forever, but it doesn't. And the record certainly disappeared. And I'm hoping, you know, to sort of start thinking in terms of certainly the gay part of my collection of of the first thousand images, the first 10,000 images, and in the first hundred thousand images. That's the sort of volume I'm talking about. I mean, 1000 images is only 30 rolls of film. [00:14:23] 10,000 is only 300 and hundred thousand, probably only, [00:14:28] you know, three $4,000 of film, it's actually not that long. It's only from here going to buy and link the film, it's not that much. But gaming in Wellington and a New Zealand society offer enormous lot of different things, but support a things that that that feed the backbone of normal society and the arts, in government administration, and in, in the cultural and ambient life of Wellington. And it It may not be the if it certainly won't be there in the same shape and form and I can't predict how it's going to go. But [00:15:11] hey, we're beautiful people. Let's record ourselves.

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