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So what minorities are you a part of? In the queer community? Um, so I'm trans trend star. I don't use it, but, um, I guess I'm FDM, um female. I, uh, female born but male. Identifying, um, I guess also, I'm not really such a fan of the, like, gay, lesbian, like, sexuality kind of labels. I guess for me, I don't know if I'd call myself gay or straight because I'm born female, but identify male, um, and like, guys. [00:00:30] So, yeah, I guess I don't like the binary, like, gay lesbian sort of names of sexuality. So at what age did you, um, first start questioning gender? Um, for a long time before I knew what, like what it was like. I guess I learned what trends meant. Like a year ago. Um, but probably a lot earlier than that. Maybe when I was 10 or something that I start kind of questioning or being more confused [00:01:00] about my gender or like thinking or like in relation to other people. I think of myself as a guy, but kind of, you know, I understand why or not, like, not in a way that I thought I was Trans And nor that meant Did you tell anyone? Uh, no. How have people reacted like friends and family? Now that you have told some people? Uh, well, really Well, yeah. Um, yeah. Most people I haven't No one's really had a problem with it. Um, [00:01:30] I think the first thing my brother said he was because Because he's gay and he was like, What? So you still like boys, right? And I was like, Yep, And he was like, So we can go gay clubbing together. And so, um, yeah, they were all really supportive. Um, the only one, I guess my mum not angry, but more worried, but yeah, mostly in general, people are just excited and happy for me. Have you experienced any negative reactions or any, um, general harassment or anything like that from anyone? [00:02:00] No. No, I haven't. Um, So how has been trans at school? Been for you? Have any teachers asked any questions? Or is it Is it difficult being because you go to a coed school, don't you? Um I guess I'm not really. I guess I'm only recently kind of coming out. So there are friends at school who know. But I guess on the whole the teachers don't, um I guess I'm still like people. Still, I don't know, I still use female pronouns And that because I'm not really [00:02:30] I don't know at that stage yet. Uh, so most of them don't know. Um, I guess. Like, I used to kind of confusing when I started school because everyone thought I was a boy. Um And so I guess teachers got a bit confused by that because they said on the roll. But everyone called me he because they thought I was a guy. And so But now I guess some of them know what I'm. So do you have plans to let people know in the future or Yeah, I guess I find that awkward because, um, I don't wanna have to [00:03:00] keep telling everyone like it's a big deal. Like coming. Having to, like, come out is kind of, um, to each person like I sort of So I guess I'm trying to tell people in a way that it's like becomes common knowledge to people who tell people So it's not such like a I don't want it to be a big deal telling people why um, I guess it's just like, uh, I don't know. I just feel I just feel awkward making like a I don't know how to say it. Um, and [00:03:30] I also feel like I don't want it to be like, say it in a way that it seems like a big deal because I feel like it shouldn't be really It's kind of big deal for me, but it doesn't have to be something that, like, Oh, I can't even describe it. I don't know. It doesn't do a big deal for the M I field. Um, yeah, and I just feel awkward, like bringing it up Like, How do you say it? I guess in a way. That's kind of casual. And how do you tend to say it? Um, [00:04:00] I don't know. I tend to like I don't really like saying I'm trans, since it's such a broad like vague and everyone defines it themselves. So I guess I like to say, I don't really feel like a girl. I want to be a boy. It's more the way I say it. Um, how do you feel? Like you fit in the general queer community, not the transpacific part of it. OK, um [00:04:30] I don't know. I'm not really hugely involved in queer communities as such. Like, I have queer friends. Um, but yeah, I guess I'm not. I've I've kind of heard about the idea that there's a little bit of like, um, I guess trans isn't really get noticed in the general like queer community. It seems to me, or, like, not really normally talked about. I've never thought of it as being queer until recently. Um, [00:05:00] queer for me was normally just like gay or lesbian. Uh, yeah, but I guess I'm not. I don't know a lot about the the community. I don't really hang out as a queer community as such. Why don't you think that trans fits in so well, Um, it's something that doesn't fit in. I guess it's just like when people talk about LGBT that, like, I guess when they talk about queer like my thought until recently, has always been gay. Lesbian? That's what that means. Um, and I feel like [00:05:30] that's kind of how it's always seen. People say LGBT rights. Really what they mean normally is gay and lesbian rights. Um, yeah. I don't feel like trends is really a noticed part. Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Um, not a bad thing. I feel like there's a lot more like progress with the gay lesbian. Like, I guess, rights And, like, publicity. I knew what gay lesbian was a long time ago, but I only learned what trends was a year ago. Uh, [00:06:00] yeah. What do you think we can do to make trends more accepted in the General LGBT community? Um, I guess it's more. I think the key thing, actually, I guess, is the education. Like they teach you a little bit about this stuff at school, but they don't really, I guess, introduce you to the ideas of gender identity. Much. Um, I guess, Like if someone had come come to our school and done a talk or something or [00:06:30] teachers had taught us about it, uh, and kind of accepting, like everyone has their own gender identity sort of way would have been really helpful. What sort of information did you receive at school about this sort of thing? No, I can't think of any thing. No, because I didn't I didn't learn about it through school either. So I learned better on the Internet. Really? Do you think that's true for most Trans people? How do you think most trans people get their information if it's not through school? Um, [00:07:00] I don't know. Uh, I don't talk to a lot of trans people about that. I guess so. I'm not. I'm not sure how other people get the information. I know there's a bit of a, um, YouTube community, Uh, which is sort of is how I learned about it, like lots of trans guys who document their transitions on YouTube and talk about what it's like. Um, so I know about that route, but I don't know much about what other Trans people. So did you find [00:07:30] the, um, online sources of information particularly valuable like that? YouTube. Yeah, for me, YouTube is definitely I don't know the most helpful, because rather than kind of like a textbook like this is what it is. This is what it means. It's actually like people's like experiences of being Trans, and it's more something you can relate to and like, learn about the different ways of being changed and the different learn about what it's actually like and relate to stuff rather than kind of learning about how it's defined. [00:08:00] And, I don't know, it's more of a personal way of learning than like a Yeah, like a textbook kind of way learning. Which is why I thought it was helpful. Have you thought about putting your own videos out on YouTube to educate other people? Yeah, it sort of better. I think the good thing is that I'd just be scared about who would see them And like, how much I want to say, Um, yeah. So you've kind of got to be for me. I feel like I've got to be out with everyone, which I pretty much am now, Um, so maybe, [00:08:30] uh, are you scared of finding out? Um, as long as you're finding out, I don't mind, who knows? But I guess it's just the stuff about it. Like the details about it, that is that That I guess, Um I just feel awkward people knowing Yeah, about like that stuff about it. Um, like family. Mostly, I guess. Like transitional details and stuff or yeah, and just about, like, dysphoria [00:09:00] and like, that kind of stuff just feels really awkward. for people that you know well to hear about that stuff. I guess. So what is dysphoria? What was dysphoria? Um, just like being unhappy or for me? It's just about being unhappy about, uh, my sex and how people see me and how I see myself. Um, and just being Yeah, just being unhappy about when I don't have facial hair or I don't have, like, I don't know, the male body. Um, and just like [00:09:30] the stuff. Yeah. Just feeling uncomfortable about that. Yeah. Is that a thing? Which a lot of trans people experience that, you know? Yeah, I think so. Well, gender, this warrior is kind of how I've heard Trans as being kind of defined almost as someone who has gender dysphoria. Um, yeah. So I think, yeah. So would you say that it's a tough time realising or, um, going through gender dysphoria and going through existing in a body [00:10:00] which is different to 11 expects. Yeah, I think it's confusing because when everyone tells you you're female and says to you, it's confusing to feel weird about that. Like, I guess it's also part of my dysphoria when someone says she or I'm in the girl's room or the girls toilets or whatever you get reminded of it every day. And for a long time, I didn't sort of realise why or what it was. Um, until I kind of realised I was trans because the thing is, it's so reaffirmed the thing that you're [00:10:30] female and how you look and stuff. And so, yeah, it's kind of around you all the time, and it makes it kind of worse. So you talked about people calling you she before are pronouns um really important to you? Do you think or yeah. I mean, I had this thing like like when I was younger, when people would call me. And it was sort of like, this weird feeling of like, yes, but also, like, this is awkward because I'm always lying to you like No, no, what it is. That sort of the pronoun isn't really important because of the pronoun. [00:11:00] But for the thing that it represents, the saw you as a guy is kind of why it's important. Yeah, So in an ideal world, people would see you as a guy. Um, yeah, for me, it's almost more important that I see him as a guy like that. I can look in the mirror and feel like I look like a guy. But when someone calls me he that's kind of a reassurance that that's true. I guess if that makes sense, I don't know if that makes sense. It does. [00:11:30] OK, Um, what other things do you find reaffirming of your gender identity other than pronouns? Um, I guess Like like when you wear guys clothes or have guys haircuts? Um, like, I guess the thing is that I've always felt embarrassed, like I've always, um but I always like the guy's clothes and like and stuff. But when I go into a store, I feel really awkward going into the boys section. I've kind of started doing that. Um, [00:12:00] yeah, that kind of makes you feel better. But again, that's sort of like a good and bad like, because when you wear a guy's clothes and you look at yourself and you're like I can see like when you can see that you can kind of you can still see your hips and you can see that stuff. You're sort of like it's bitter and worse cos it's worse because it you also remember how you don't always fit into guys's clothes. Um, but yeah. So sometimes that can help, um, finding Oh, like, uh, fattening your chest. I guess. [00:12:30] So. Do you use a binder for that, too? Yeah. Um, binding is interesting. Like I try not to do it a lot, because I don't know. I've kind of heard that it can be bad for you in the long term. Um, but I feel it's almost addictive. Binding, like, once you bind once, you're just like, Oh, my God, this is so much better. And you just want to bind at home, like, even like no one's around. But somehow it's I don't know. It feels like better when you're binding. Um, yeah. So would you say [00:13:00] that binding and other presentation things are important to you and seeing yourself as a more masculine person? Yeah, well, yeah, It makes you feel better. Yeah. How have people reacted to you? Changing your appearance and the clothes that you wear and the haircuts that you have over time? Um, I haven't really changed a lot. Like, um, I don't know everyone. My family's always been frustrated, [00:13:30] like trying to make me wear dresses places and I'll just like, I don't know, complain a lot. Um, I've always I don't know. I've always worn, like, the most Mexican clothes I can and have the most. Sort of, like, I don't know, I shave my head in year eight secretly, mostly because I wanted to join it. Um, so, yeah, I've kind of always reached as a guy and had my hair as sort of much like a guy as I kind of could, um, you talked about being put in dresses, or was that a particularly stressful [00:14:00] experience for you? There wasn't a good time, Particularly. I thought it was interesting. Like someone someone called you pretty That just like that is the worst, um, or that kind of anything? Yeah. Like specifically female. That they would. Especially when I wear a dress and they say it looks nice and shut up. No, it doesn't. Um, yeah. So it was not a good time. So what would you say to people who aren't trans with regards to advice on how to treat people if they [00:14:30] are coming out as trans or if they, um if they're telling you that they want you to use different pronouns or a different name or anything? Um, yeah. I don't know. It's it's really nice to have a positive reaction. Um, I can see how sometimes it's hard to get, like, hard to understand. Um, when you're not Trans, uh, I find it really hard to explain to people and just describe, like what it's like. Um, so I guess just to be, [00:15:00] yeah, as supportive as you can. And even if you don't understand it, just believe that it's not a good time of being Trans and that, yeah, it's kind of Yeah, be as supportive as you can and try and learn about it. Um, yeah, so you can understand it. How would you recommend people to learn about it? Um well, I always suggest YouTube. Um, there's just a really nice way of hearing, like inside experience of what it's like, [00:15:30] uh, people. A lot of people on YouTube are really honest about, like what it's like to be trans and a lot of really great information that they kind of give you about it. So, yeah, I've been there. And what about, um, names and pronouns? Yeah, again. That's a thing like that's really hard, Um, like when you're trained, it's kind of hard to accept that it's probably hard for other people as well like, So it's probably hard, understand, if it's hard for them to kind of like, get used to that, Um, [00:16:00] but, you know, like, do your best. And when you muck up just to, like, remind them that you're not mucking up because you're not supporting them. But just that sometimes it's hard just to, I don't know, say, the new phone or whatever, like, but yeah, just as much as you can to try to do that is really helpful.
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