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Uh, I am working with the Indonesian National Commission on Human Rights. Uh uh. I am, uh, one of a commissioner, uh, in, uh, my institution. And, uh, and I have a responsibility to, uh, take, uh, education and awareness of human rights. So one of our, uh, concern about the issue of human rights in Indonesia is [00:00:30] LGBT rights. So in my programme in this year, I would like to implement and campaign human rights, particularly for LGBT rights, and implement the yukata principle in Indonesia. What are the state of LGBTI rights in Indonesia at the moment? Actually, in Indonesia, we [00:01:00] have a number of organisations dealing with the issue of LGBT. But we still find difficulties because, uh, we have a culture and religion. Very, very strict. So we still, uh, still struggle to to to have, uh, not a knowledge about the human rights for the LGBT. [00:01:30] Is there much discrimination that goes on in Indonesia? Uh, yeah, I think Yes, because a majority in Indonesia is a Muslim. They are have a conservative value. They didn't recognise the per existence existences of LGBT people. So, uh, this is, uh, we [00:02:00] we we we still found discrimination stigmatisation and also, uh, violence. Uh, for them, for instance, my institution, Uh, uh, receive a complaint for the community of LGBT. Uh, a couple number of the complaint for them. Can you expand on what those complaints were? Uh, yeah. Uh uh. First complaint [00:02:30] about the local local regulation. Because in Indonesia, we have, uh, more than 400 local government. They have, uh, obligation. They have duty to to They have mandate to create their regulation. Local regulation. Sometimes the regulation stipulated [00:03:00] about the discrimination based on the gender identity and sex orientation. So they complain about the regulation to communist harm, and then we also receive complaint. Uh, they Sometimes they, uh, they found, like, attack attack from the police officer attack for the society attack for the [00:03:30] for From from the app apparatus. Officer. So many. Many? Uh, yeah. I think a number of the discrimination and violation, uh, they they they got it. And also, we we receive complaint from the domestic domestic area. Uh, lesbian got rape from [00:04:00] the from the from the family. Uh, the the, uh which mean? I don't know. Rape by by their parents to to Yeah, from from another case and pregnant about the rape. So many, many, many, many cases in Indonesia. Do you receive many complaints at the institution from lesbian and gay and transgender people? Yes. Yes. So, [00:04:30] uh, personnel and from the institution, they they bring their cases to my institution. So Indonesian National Commission of Human Rights, we have, uh we have mandate to investigate, uh, human rights violation in Indonesia. So, uh, yeah, uh, yeah. As well as, uh, human rights violation, Uh, based [00:05:00] on the gender identity and sex orientation. And what can your institution do if someone is found guilty of, um, discrimination or committing a crime? What can you do? Uh, yeah, in my country, uh, issue of the H LPT is still a sensitive issue in Indonesia. So we we we do something with [00:05:30] a process one by one, step by step, but make sure that they will. Someday they will get their rights. So the first my institution conduct training course training course for for the LGBT member LGBT community how to aware their rights because [00:06:00] I know that some of them are non educated. So we should have the programme to give human education for them the second one. We conduct a training course for the government officer because many times they don't know about, uh, human rights, Uh, for the [00:06:30] all people as well as, uh, uh, G BT person. And this the third one, we conduct also a training course for the law enforcement officer. So this is the first step from for my institution, the 2nd, 2nd step. Maybe we we will, uh, we will campaign. We will campaign to community about their rights. We will produce, [00:07:00] uh, like a leaflet book handbook to understanding about the existence of LGBT. Is there any opposition to your institution campaigning for gay and lesbian rights in Indonesia? Uh, yeah, of course. Uh uh, we we have we have a mandate for that. So but, uh, yeah, one problem may be [00:07:30] the problem of my institution. We have a limited budget in one hand. We have limited budget, and another hand scope of Indonesia is too large. We have 230 million population in Indonesia. It is too big. So we have a limited budget limited resource. So we would like to [00:08:00] have, uh, yeah, network and funding from, uh, another from from this conference. What are what are the main things that you will take away? Uh, yeah. This is, uh I, uh got some lesson. Learn from this conference and my challenge challenges [00:08:30] how to how to promote, uh, LGBT rights in my country. So I got it in this conference and I I saw this powerful of the of the of the movement movement of LGBT in many regions. So I think this is important to [00:09:00] make people in Indonesia understand about about this factual fact in the region. Is there a strong support network for lesbian and gay and transgender people in Indonesia? Yeah, I have a network. Yeah. Good relation and good network with organisation dealing with issue of LGBT in Indonesia in the national level, also in the regional [00:09:30] in the local level. Mhm has anything that been said at this conference that's really challenged some of your thoughts and ideas. Uh, yeah, because I already mentioned that I, one of the commissioners, have have a duty to educate and how to make people awareness about human right for [00:10:00] all, as well as to LGBT. So the conference gave me Yeah, challenge for me to to making my idea to be reality. If someone was listening to this tape in 30 years time, what would you say to them? A. Yeah, I think, as a human being, we should [00:10:30] promote and protect and fulfil human rights for all without discrimination as well as discrimination based on gender identity and sexual and OK.
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