Whakarongo: Pride, ILGA World and beyond

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by Friday and z.com. [00:00:05] We are currently at the museum in Rome at the Wellington Central Library, and to fund a fund or hosting a way called fuck it all. What shows I think it's down there as being pride Elgar world and beyond. And and I'm a member of the definition of trust. And I guess I come to this is a rainbow community member and wanting to open up a bit of a way. [00:00:31] So how did and why did this weekend about [00:00:33] basically last year, and the [00:00:36] outcome pride board made a decision. They held Stephen community who around Oakland, and they found that people were saying that they didn't feel safe was police having a uniformed presence at the pride. So they made a decision that in order to protect and the most vulnerable, marginalized members of our communities, they would actually ask the police if they could match, but maybe not bring uniforms to come and find clothes, and the spot quite a debate within our community. And I think what I really noticed as there, there was a lot of division, there was a lot of people who are really passionate about this, this topic and had really different views around, I guess what acceptance and pride looks like in 2019. But also the media was really fueling us against each other. And so this is a chance for a secretary come together in speak and listen on this paper. [00:01:29] One of the things that really struck me was that the online discussion really quickly turned into quite diverse of comments. And I wonder having a face to face who he is it something kind of reacting to the that kind of online world? [00:01:44] Definitely, absolutely. I was essential as we can we can see your face to face. Because there's just so much that we miss out on when we're speaking across across the internet. That's happened so many times. And so this is a chance for us to actually feel seen and heard by each other, which I don't I think we've all had experiences of not feeling safe know who to not community. So I think we want to try and criticize me that's not the norm. [00:02:04] So can you just describe the the format of today's event? [00:02:07] Yeah, absolutely. So there was 100 people who said they will come but we just got to see who comes. And right now we've got a circle of chairs out quite a mess of circle. We were in a community where it has been used by thousands and thousands of local community people for a lot of different reasons. Manny Machado, and Chan Torrington and myself have donated items and created a centerpiece in the middle and the centerpieces made up of lots of different flags. And as its flag rainbow trace flags, these are this is a piece of fabric that came from the sister girls and to the islands. And there's some of our tune in there as well, for example, data to mellow gene for October but all in Shelley Howard. So just I guess a bit of a reminder to those in our community who we are connected to and half past. [00:02:55] What do you what do you want to come out of the story? [00:02:58] I think I just want to come out of it was us knowing we are different members of the community, as setting and regards to what is the purpose of gathering publicly? and 2019. You know, we've had pride matches and, and there's a reason for why they exist. But in this day and age, I think we just need to stop and reflect and talk to each other and listen to each other and decide as a community. What is the most important thing for us? How do we want to move forward? You know, and I think we have probably more in common than we think. So one of the things that brought this about was having conversations with both older generations and younger generations. And I was really noticing that there was some differences in opinion. And we are the spices we would get to meet for the people who came before us and the people who are coming through as well. So I guess, to me, this is a real opportunity for us to talk across generations, because I think that was one of the big divides that came up and a lot of the online to buy so so this year as an intergenerational E, welcome, spice. And I hope that will be fruitful. People will come with whatever they come by myself. And the people who have helped organize this, including Jake Charla, in particular, have, I guess being really intentional and trying to create a space where people feel like they can bring their best selves, and think of themselves as part of a community because we're often told that we're individuals, and we just have to make our way in the world on our own. But actually, there's lots of people that we connected to, and I think if you're already here in this room here already probably feel like you're a little bit connected to somewhere and how do we build on that and strengthen that and hold our divisions? It's okay to disagree. It's okay to have different opinions that actually is really healthy part of a of a living community. [00:04:36] Yeah. So how do you think this will impact on not only the yoga World Conference here in a couple of months time, but also on the pride, communications celebrations that are happening in a month? [00:04:46] Honestly, I don't know. Because to me, the most important thing was just getting people in a room and seeing what happens. Because to me, the medical was comes from people themselves, you never really know. And I just wanted people to be able to be present in the space. And as a facilitator, I am also being pretty and in the spice to see what unfolds. However, I would like to see [00:05:04] us being more clear about who we [00:05:06] are as a community right now, how we acknowledge the work of the past, but how we also recognize the voices of the future, and how we can just come together to host people from around the world who have even more vast different experiences to us, and how we can welcome them here. And I guess, provide a little bit of a refuge in a sanctuary because the world isn't easy for lots of people. And I just, yeah, I think that this is an opportunity for us to really make people feel at home, and help people feel loved and celebrated. And maybe that's what pride was all about. I'm not sure. But, um, but this is a chance to bring it all back together. [00:05:43] So we're not actually recording the community who, what, why is that? [00:05:47] So basically, as I mentioned, I really want people to be able to be as present as possible within the space. And I don't know about anyone else. But if I know I'm recording, I'm not censoring what I'm saying thank you for got what I'm saying. And I think that thing about pride as it so public, and the media has been so public, but we are the spaces we asked as communities as a collective of communities as calleary answers, to actually talk to each other and hear from each other. And so yeah, I hope, I hope that's what will come out of it because we don't get as much time to focus on ourselves actually, and our relationships to each other. [00:06:23] Kilda I'm the founder cheer have to find a find a trust, we holding out who he here today that we are hosting for our community. We're at the library here in Wellington, and who he is Yeah. Docomo, pride, Olga world and beyond. [00:06:39] So how did this come about? [00:06:42] This is actually lead by our some of our young people, [00:06:44] particularly Casey, who's on our board, and wanting to just come from a strength based proactive place, about looking at the way that we communicate within our community. And given so much we have to deal with in the world and so many things we want to change both within and without our communities. That's just saying, actually, in Wellington, we can do things in a really beautiful in healing and respectful manner enhancing way. [00:07:15] And so it was it was partly in response to the pride issues. And often Yeah, [00:07:20] I think that's part of it, the were concerned about the way that the process occurred, we're really concerned about the divisions that we could see happening in our community. And we want to make sure that as we get in front of it, kind of those kind of conversations, it's important that people had the chance to say, what's really important for them, what's going on for them. And we absolutely want to uphold that he's forgotten more space to listen, space to hear what's going on Saturdays, not necessarily about solutions to everything. It's about giving the space to actually listen deeply to what's going on for people. One [00:08:00] of the things that struck me was that the online comments and discussion seems to devolve very quickly into just people not listening in the interest leading each other off. What's the difference between say, like an online conversation and then doing it face to face here. [00:08:16] I mean, it's a core Marty Marty concept of condo he cannot he face to face. Yeah. And in the same space, you're breathing the same year. And you can pick up the nuances of body language, you can see how someone reacts to call me. But also you can look somebody in the eye and speak your truth. And that's really, really critical. Can [00:08:41] you just describe for me what some of the big issues that have kind of cropped up over the last month so been [00:08:48] obviously this the issue around police and uniforms. [00:08:52] There is a an issue that's already been settled here in Wellington. These other issues that people have about [00:09:01] the trains exclusionary, for example, defining what a woman's spaces have, and then who's allowed and met who gets to control language, actually, and who gets to define things. They it's, and I think it's really important when we're having those conversations that those of us for myself, say, as a lesbian female, who was like a top way that the certain level of privilege I have achieved over time or the acceptance say of lesbian as it is a word that [00:09:34] you know, that we don't try and good tale or reduce or undermine the rights of those people with different identities, who are just trying to create space for themselves to live their own lives. [00:09:49] What would you like to come out of the story? [00:09:52] Definitely, that people feel that they're being heard. That the abuse of being respected. And, I guess, an enhanced sense of unity and inside our community, because many of us already we work together across many, many issues. I think Wellington does this really well. And I'm actually really proud of that. And to fund our founder, we've been going now for about 18 years. And we've been, I think, a part of it, that's part of our strategic plan is to help unify and we've an N around our communities. And so I'm really proud that it's a young person on our board who was leading this work. [00:10:32] So monumental, I'm part of the host, Roku for the NGO World Conference, which is going to be here and not quite two months. [00:10:42] And we're expecting up to 500 registrations from half of those probably from around 85 countries around the world. So a huge influx of rainbow activists from around the world, basically converging on Wellington, and we're really excited about it. [00:10:59] It's a really historic event at to start, because the Olga conferences never ever been in the southern hemisphere before. And it's whole 40 years of existence. So this year is a 40 year anniversary of yoga. And it's the 50th anniversary of Stonewall, so, you know, hugely, hugely important events for our community. [00:11:23] And it's a great opportunity for us, within New Zealand, within Wellington and within the Pacific to share some of our stories. With people coming from around the world. I think we have a unique story, the way that we've developed it in terms of partnership with each other. And our communities, which is part of the reason why we've come today, of course for the founder of in Fargodome same sort of principles, but spreading it out amongst people around the world. [00:11:51] We've got some Pacific Island activists coming that have been sponsored by embassies. And there you can have an operation unity as well as us in the Pacific, to talk to the independent expert on violence and gender from the United Nations and so forth about our particular issues down here. So really important occasion for us here in here in the South Pacific and Oceania in New Zealand. [00:12:19] You briefly touched on the final final event that we're here today. So can you just describe what the event is and and white came about? [00:12:26] So fuck it all has come about as an opportunity for us as a community to discuss how do we talk about things within our community? What values do we appreciate? What variation should we hold ourselves to when we have our discussions? Even though some of the topics we may discuss could be the controversial or quite different, differing views amongst ourselves in the community? How do we should do that in a safe space? To me, that's what phenomenal is about? [00:12:56] How How do you think these issues will end picked on it will go world, [00:13:01] we are hoping that they won't unpacked very much at all. But it is about remembering how to be with each other how to be respectful. And I think to always think of the big picture. So you know this, the issues that face our community, and many and complex, and some of the things need immediate action. And some of the things we're trying to change a long haul, some of our activists work at the front and throw rocks. And some of us work in the background doing that work. And it's all valuable. And it's all important. And just remembering that and remembering how to do that and a gentle, respectful way with each other. [00:13:43] What would you like to see come out of today's event? [00:13:47] Today, I would like to see people talking to each other. And talking in a way which builds our community, even even, you know, stronger, and so forth. So those are the things I'd like to see coming out of today's event. [00:14:04] Yeah, I think all of those things, talking to each other about how we're talking to each other and and that respectful way. And as Kevin said, we we just be lots of us here. And we don't always agree about things. But if we can remember that great big picture, we're all trying to create a better world for our community. And [00:14:25] I think you know, that might be the message and itself for Olga, how how we progress, how we do it here, how we might do it, and how that might be a template throughout the world within the community. So of advancing issues within the community, and then using community to advance it wider throughout the throughout the country. Yeah. [00:14:47] And just finally, personally, how are you feeling with yoga world only being what a month or so away? [00:14:53] How's that going? [00:14:54] Excited and terrified. So you know, there's a huge and work going on both here and Wellington with the people we working with. But we also know, our colleagues and friends around the world. So you know, these events happen and people forget about all the work that goes on beforehand. So yeah, we were excited. And just working on tying some things together at the moment. And for people who are into is that look at their friend to build the page, because Jacqueline felt that as a mechanism for the local community to know more about what's going on. [00:15:36] Yes, it's hard work. So there's still a lot of hours to get through, I think to bring together the program that we want to share with both the world and what they are and study and communities. So we are responsible for social program and some of those events. We definitely want to focus on providing the space for community and the delegates to come together and talk and show each other what they do. Yeah. [00:17:56] A New Hope [00:17:57] to see. [00:18:00] So Kayla, [00:18:01] can you describe it how that came about. [00:18:03] And premium wine, Kitty humid actually left behind me and or spice and as budgetary item on one day, somebody steals and we're talking and very topics regarding the conversation of all code, how sky colors on a nuisance, or heavier. And then I can't have the bit of an idea about well, maybe we should hear a pre employee down here one time. And from there, it's for Cassie range there. And at a certain stage I think wasn't going to attend because I thought we were paying all one sided, which is not what I really anticipated. I rather see individual communities coming together. So it's a collective progression, not just some people listening to the wider community side, are we going to do this or you have a high night. But then I saw her to understand a bit more about the progression of what people had to say. And I thought well, I can't very well come up with an idea like this. Not what we're tasting isn't worth. So therefore I did watch your business catering, [00:19:21] and what amazing catering. And in there was so many people that turned up how many people do you think showed up? [00:19:27] there about 64 in the Sorry, I do. Have I do a health check of everything. Yeah. [00:19:36] And Richard, you were one of the people that [00:19:39] got up and spoke. Yeah. What did you speak about? [00:19:42] Eyes we were asked to respond to three prompting questions. [00:19:49] And the answer from my point of view to those was menarche tongue, and menarche, tongue out talks about care and hospitality. And I want to an invitation Kili liberation, for me is as wanting to be part of communities for which menarche tongue is a cool concept and a fundamental fundamental practice. And so I want to be part of a group of communities where we actually look after each other. And so if we're going to have a pride parade, then we need to have menarche. Tanga is a as a primary concern, we need to make sure that we look after each other and the context of it. [00:20:33] And one of the fears that I have is that we don't build communities that look after each other is that when we go on the intonation, national and international stage, then the lack of menarche, time here for amongst our communities and for ourselves, then spills over and might impact on our ability to offer that menarche Tanga to our international visitors. So it's not just about that pride parade, it's actually about yoga will conference and the responsibilities that are people have, and I'm talking about the mighty communities that took a top we found out have for leading the hospitality leading the welcome, leading the embracing of our international visitors. But if we haven't done that embrace, internally within our own communities, then then the fear I have is that then becomes a theater for the airing of those internal differences, which then trembles on the, on the manner of our visitors, and of those who are leading the attempts to host and I don't want to see that happen, either. I want to be part of care and communities. [00:21:40] It's like [00:21:41] Hello, what did you think about those questions, talking about liberation and kind of why we do these public events? [00:21:48] on so I'm quite straightforward. I'm like, I've fair to be known as hang on Pearson not listening to rich reckon, crack or what have you. But yeah, I mean, I fully agree fractured. Everything Richard seed was here that it's true. If you look down deep into it, it's almost embedded into the modern culture. Slight with myself, if there's some to be done, and I can do something to help the community I just thought, like catering or are organized what a hip Who? [00:22:24] I mean, I used to be a co chair for out and the power during fundraise. Not a problem. Yeah, anything to get people involved. Because to me, it's not the individual. It's the entire community. And well hints yc before that's what I try to interpret for tonight, and apparently score well, and I hope it sort of continues, or Richard touched on before was but like the private, right? It should not be like one side of the people on the site, or look at those bunch breaks the phone mentioned, you know, look at the gate, the least be a note and to pressure as they look at the trade show stock at the factory me look at the celebration of ourselves, and what we have achieved all issues because I'm old. [00:23:18] And that the things are so hard. But like off the place, [00:23:24] I think they should be included because for many decades, we struggle to break the barrier with trade, what we and how we got traitor. And I knew people who actually got kicked out please force because of the gender or sexuality. But nowadays, we've got lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual all of them, and they only I'm pleased and what people don't seem to realize that when they go to a meeting and stop bitching about the place, they should realize that bright people them have broken that barrier, which has been a lot 40 odd years that we made advancements for the entire community. But no, they saw it come back to one piece that single? Yeah, [00:24:12] from the discussions today, what are the kind of key things your takeaway, [00:24:16] that it's important for us to sit around and listen to each other. And to hear those different points of view, it was really important that we understand who was in the room, that process took half the time that we were there, and it was really important for people to say who they were and a little bit about what's important for them, because then it becomes more difficult to because without that information, then how he presumptions can get made. And, and and people didn't get pushed into corners that they don't necessarily belong in and treated. Like like that, that part of a stereotypical group. And that doesn't help the communication. And it's not going to help us build, build menarche based communities. [00:25:05] Yeah, what she just said about being put into a stereotypical group, not blatant, not blow my own horn, but trains chick chick shows an international speaker why he have had that all these decades. site. I know you're part of the gay community as I know. So we don't get identified, but you know, a person gotten straight, they may have a slight appearance or some more your 10 k? What if they're not as just because like, I'm from a different community, people will automatically assume that I'm part of the cavemen Tina Fey. Well, yeah, I know, though, but no, not part of them. may have been one. For now. That's why we have believers. They stay in for intercultural communication. [00:26:01] Yeah. [00:26:03] And that's sort of why this happened. So they can have a voice they can feel their past was that the was but as you say that this is going to be really key and progression. And it's going to kick some ass is around the motor. To show them they use We are, we are the hub. And we show what we mean. We mean, Tobin narcy, we mean to include, we mean this and then we'll do a [00:26:37] Q amp cured I'm Adrian girl, ang. [00:26:40] I came I guess it was an individual. And really him because I wanted to come together as a community to talk about some of the kind of current issues facing our community, some of the divisions, pride, how do we come together, kind of in unity, or at least hear from each other. And the title of the day is like a logo and but really spoke to me. And I thought it would be held really nicely if I to Farmer farmer, [00:27:08] good, juicy Porsche. And I basically came here because I think, I mean, there's so much diversity and difference of opinions in our community. And we all need to listen to each other so that we can come together as a group without undermining our own individual and obvious opinions on things. [00:27:26] Can you describe what the atmosphere was like today? [00:27:29] Sure, yeah, it was, I guess exactly what I expected from to find them funny holding the space, I felt like a really beautiful, open space where we were able to everyone was able to bring what they could bring all the diversity of about men's [00:27:48] share openly. And there was no, you know, repercussion. Didn't feel like. So it just felt like it was a really open and inclusive atmosphere there. Even though people were were sharing such diverse and desperate and divergent opinions and views of experiences, it still felt kind of safe and okay to do it. [00:28:13] Yeah, I'm pretty much what Adrian said. They were people who were talking about some stuff that was obviously very, very difficult for them to express, knowing that there are other people in the room who had opposing views, but they still felt safe to be able to give their opinion and everybody that seems lesson. So [00:28:27] what were the key things that you would take away from this? [00:28:33] I got some of our questions that were posed to us at the beginning were to think about what what liberates what would liberate us what liberation movement look like for us as an our community, things that we fear, and just what the purpose or why we want to come together and gather publicly and events like pride. [00:28:55] I don't think I came away with a definitive view from a community I think I've really, I've heard many different perspectives on that. All the way from pride should continue to be a protest and and that should kind of liberate us as I guess, we're not all liberated, and there are some that are still oppressed and but we need to recognize that and still treat pride that way. All the way to it should be a celebration. And I think that has sort of been [00:29:29] a bit of a difficult thing in our communities. For a while. There was also a lot of focus on Auckland, or at least often was mentioned a lot, in terms of the big public discussion that happened there recently is still going on in terms of police involvement and pride. And I heard a few supplements that Wellington is different from Auckland. And, [00:29:51] you know, we shouldn't have the same kind of fight or discussion here. And actually big involved in pride for many years in Wellington, we've actually been having these conversations for years. And we have been falling out over these conversations for years, to the point where our organizations have split apart, we just managed to keep that away from the public view, the media wasn't interested in us, we were a smaller city. And the community themselves didn't really find out how bad it got in Wellington. But for me, I take what, you know, there's a lot of personal stuff in that for me, having been the chair of Wellington pride when we had very, very difficult conversations. And so what I took from today, my long answers to say that [00:30:41] I guess, it's was just really amazing to see the community have this conversation out loud, people I've seen before and people, I have a very diverse group of people with diverse views, but to actually see the conversation happening [00:31:00] out loud in the community, and in a safe space was really positive. And I'm quite optimistic and I hope that we have more of them. [00:31:10] Um, yeah, for me, I suppose that as just how important it is for people to listen, to speak out to be heard. And I hope to keep doing more of that united not just around the pride festivals, but within the community in general, again, acknowledging and understanding and listening to database today. [00:31:27] Yeah, so I just attended, who if I could all which was put on by that if I'm if I'm a trust here in Kentucky. [00:31:34] And that basically entail just sort of bringing all kinds of people from the community in the region, and having us all come together and having accorded all that quite explicitly kind of spoke to the events of that have happened around with the politics or an Auckland pride in the last couple months. And how not necessarily how we respond to that as a as a community down here, but just acknowledging how much conversation and debate that data screwed up, basically. So I showed up, both as an individual but I'm also a member of people against presents. Altidore, which was a big part of this pointed out in 2015, as no point in prisons and protesting the inclusion of corrections and police in the Pride Parade, to the at the expense of and the exclusion of most vulnerable in our community. So it was really interesting experience being able to have a space where we could be there was very consciously and intentionally constructed for having accorded on speaking to every side of the debate in a way that could be a little more civilized, knowing that a lot of the things that happened to [00:32:45] my like friends and family and comrades and pop up in Oakland, are quite violent. And so it's really relieving to see a space made possible. That acknowledged a lot of the problems that occurred there, basically. So [00:32:59] how did you get involved? [00:33:00] Yes, so I moved back to 2014. And around that time, was kind of reconnecting with people and building a new sort of social safety net for myself, and, you know, kind of figuring out how to reintegrate myself into member communities around that time, via Twitter, actually, and other social media platforms I got in contact with kind of who felt like my people who were kind of involved in this reading group at the time. And that eventually manifested in my pride and presence and that original protest and all comprise 2014. Around the inclusion of corrections and the police and pride and, and how that is to the detriment of the most vulnerable in the community. [00:33:43] Yeah, since [00:33:43] then, because, you know, sides, we were, it was informed by a lot of thinking it was a very intentional action, kind of like the intention that we need to address hurry today. And over time, we kind of realized that a lot of conditions, they know the conditions, the conditions in prisons, the conditions that lead to the particularly vulnerable to police violence, and all of these things. Something we can solve by just focusing on our own just focusing on our career fair know, we have, we had to expand our scope, basically. And so there was an organized protest that often tried the second year that had way more people involved. But then the year after that, we actually stepped back because we were focusing our energies and other areas that were far more structural, and like actually approaching and engaging with the institution of the prison rather than the symbol, the symbolism of having it in both in pride. [00:34:34] So well, and you know, this year, obviously, that's changed the game. And we're kind of bringing ourselves back into the fold as far as being part of the quarter. But with the acknowledgement that we are involved, we are engaged with the queer community, but we are also you know, putting our money or a lot of money, maybe I'm not here where our mouth is. [00:34:55] around doing something like we're, you know, we're doing lots of advocacy, prisoners, prison of correspondence networks that we established has, as the largest of its kind in this country, but hundreds and hundreds of people communicating both the inside and out. [00:35:09] And how much how important this man he is, and how integral it as to how we relate to the rainbow community, but also just how much yeah, just connected all the vendors and how inseparable it is, to our experience of being part of a community. [00:35:26] From the discussions, what what are the kind of key things that you'll take away? Um, [00:35:31] I guess the main thing is just making sure the whole you know, that we are able to continue coming together. It's very tempting to draw hard lines in the sand. And I, you know, I still made me personally still believe that there's some of those needs to be drawn, there is a time and a place where you need to just put your foot down. And I'm not saying that just says necessarily softened any of those ages. But it's also made it possible to do that and continue having these conversations with people. And and I think that's the most important part of what was established here. [00:36:02] Yeah. So where do you see this going in the future here? [00:36:07] Um, I mean, personally, I get really tired of saying always starting the conversations, I feel like we're always starting the conversation. We're never getting anywhere with that conversation. Now. [00:36:16] This feels like the there was a lot of intent went into this hurry to start a conversation that could last effectively. So that we're not starting things over and over and over again, and never getting anywhere, but that we can actually have a sustained, courted or around how to actually build safer communities together, you know, how to how we can do that without [00:36:41] creating these recreated creating and recreating the sort of the power dynamics with the same privileged people wield that power over the people who can't protect themselves from that. So, yeah, like ongoing dialogue and making sure that we've got [00:36:56] a conversation going about how we can navigate that in a day and age. We're the institutions that have historically oppressed us now. Also, we are our face. And there's a lot of, you know, a lot of different perspectives on what that means to us today. Nice, that's the most important thing for me. [00:37:13] Kilda, CO, Laura Lavinia, Drew poker. [00:37:18] I came along today to share the perspective of the, I guess, the activist communities who still subject to a lot of police violence for speaking out and exercising the kind of rights to say that they would like a better world. [00:37:38] And you actually got up and spoke to the quite large crowds at Berkeley, what did you say? [00:37:45] I spoke about my personal experience with police violence. And with PTSD, which is post traumatic stress disorder, it's a mental injury that I have, because I have been so to police violence, I was beaten up by the police in 2009. And I did not regain the use of my right hand for about three years. And so that it affected me greatly in in last year, I meet the police officer who beat me up, and he identified himself to me. [00:38:24] So I've just been trying to deal with living with this mean to injury and the effects that it has had on my everyday life. [00:38:33] So this is obviously quite a personal connection in terms of, say the police and pride. [00:38:40] What I mean, what do you what do you think of police marching and pride? [00:38:44] I think [00:38:44] that the police are an inherently oppressive colonial institution, they have always criminalize the poor, and indigenous people and those who speak the truth to power. And their response to being asked to wear t shirts. And Auckland pride is quite telling that they were more interested in withdrawing the support in creating a rift, then and listening to the community that they purported to support. [00:39:19] Can you describe the atmosphere of the Hulu today, the atmosphere [00:39:22] was amazing. It was a very radical space. And it was created by to fund a fund for everyone to bring and share their views and to not see us as in conflict necessarily, to try and find the the common connections between us all even though we may disagree. Sometimes we often have similar values that are aligned. And little more was the god the and kind of took care of that space. And I think that and that really showed in the quality of the conversation and the fact that everyone was able to wander around could speak but that people were able to share the a deeply held views. [00:40:13] From the discussions today, what are the key things that you will take away? [00:40:18] I think I'm just really inspired by to fund a funder, and by the spice that they have created in the way they have bought the queer community together in a really positive way. I think that the last speaker, I can't remember her name, but she spoke about the need for recognition of the place of time to finish our in this country. And that is the thing that we're most stuck with me. [00:40:46] What do you think we can do better in the future? [00:40:49] A lot of things. Yeah, a lot of things. We have a short time on this planet. And we could make it an amazing world. If we listen to each other and works together and [00:41:02] guess for for those who are most oppressed and society. [00:41:07] My name is Maria and I came here because I'm in the rainbow community and love being involved with me. [00:41:14] My name is Josh day, I came here to participate, because it sounded great. [00:41:22] My name is on a hitter and I worked for Gina minorities Ashura. And I came here because we have obviously this didn't interest and what happens. [00:41:30] And so what didn't happen? [00:41:32] Well, obviously with the was no realistic solution was made about it. But they It was good to hear other people's opinions and thoughts and feelings and surrounding the issue. [00:41:44] And can you just describe what the issue was, [00:41:46] I guess I'm creating, recreating what pride is about regulating when the Roma community is about, and making sure that like when there are issues with around things like trauma and people safety, as well as in the long term that we can have positive relationships, I guess, with ourselves as well as everyone else. And what work is involved actually, to create that safety integrate those long term? There's a lot of money involved in creating that, basically. So what do we need to address in order to make things more safe and to have like healing with is trauma and things like that and create pathway for the [00:42:22] next year? Can you describe the atmosphere at today's food? [00:42:25] Um, [00:42:26] I've felt that it was a very welcoming space, even though people were had some vulnerable moments like it was I felt quite positive about how they're caught it all came across, and that there was a space for people to be heard and to put the issues and they genuinely listened to which I think is very important. And understanding it's a complex issue as well. [00:42:48] Absolutely, like it was definitely good to say all the rainbow community all on one room and not arguing or back room, but actually listening to each other, taking each other's viewpoints quite seriously. And responding appropriately. [00:43:01] Yeah, I felt like why everyone had to say was held with a lot of sensitivity, which was really good to say, [00:43:07] what are the things that you'll take away from this. [00:43:10] And I really liked how it was organized. [00:43:13] And I don't know, I just liked how generous everyone [00:43:17] was and how [00:43:19] I just like to sit up really. And that's the main thing that our takeaway is just like how, [00:43:26] how the Copa was described at the start, and how we're talking about the atmosphere of peace, and we took a long time, like, you know, bringing everyone into the space and making sure that we're all going to [00:43:36] be respectful. And then we work, which is nice. [00:43:40] I think what I'm going to take away from this as experience, like I've just been with gender minorities not very long. And clearly, I'll be attending more of these meetings regarding vendor community issues. And so what's good is that I can be more confident to speak up and say what I need to say, and then also understand these issues on deeper level. So good experience from that. [00:44:03] I will take that I've taken away that there's a lot of positive seeds in there that I'm looking forward to seeing how they grow in the future. [00:44:12] Yeah, well see. [00:44:16] I would like to hear more about elegant as though I feel like we talked a lot about with a police should be participating and pride. And I just yeah, I feel like it could have been like three times as long and I would have been great. [00:44:34] I was surprised [00:44:34] by that. Actually, I thought it was going to be more. But I understand that they have closure on this issue, so we can move forward with it. But yeah, [00:44:42] I think it's a good thing. [00:44:44] Like it's an issue that's on everyone's mind. So we will kind of spend some time settling that and they just wasn't much time to get things out. Yeah. [00:44:56] So can see we're in the lift. We've just finished the movie. How did it go for you? [00:45:00] There was really great, I really enjoyed it. I felt like people bring a real diversity of experience into the space and if people took a risk to be able to share things people should quite personal things. [00:45:10] Jackie Jackie, [00:45:12] Cleopatra, Cleopatra, [00:45:17] and [00:45:19] Mattila. [00:45:21] Good day. [00:45:22] And [00:45:24] yeah, I felt like we were able to set within that space. That was there was a lot of tension that came up was, you know, even I found myself disagreeing with some points that were raised by the fact that we're able to stay there and not leave and not yell at each other and just exist with within that discomfort. To me was a really positive thing to be able to do. So I'm really happy with it. [00:45:46] Yeah. What do [00:45:47] you think you will take away, [00:45:49] I'm still going to monitor over. I'm going to be thinking over this for about two weeks, and I'm going to just absorb up all of the things that we're seeing today. And then I'm gonna you're with look at what that means for our communities and how I can support a similar forward Yeah.

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