The Glamaphones - member interviews

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by Friday and z.com. [00:00:06] Hi, my name is Rachel hide on the music director of the climate phones. And tonight we are rehearsing Andrew's church on the terrorists, three weeks out from a big concert as part of their pride events in Wellington. And then a huge concert for us at the microphone is center. [00:00:19] And can you describe loosely the big concert I mean, huge concert. [00:00:23] Yeah, the big concepts really exciting for us. It's here at our home of St. Andrews. It's a best of the glamour phones. I've been working with the grammar phones for four years now. And this is a really awesome opportunity for me to show everybody what I've done with the choir and what the choir is done with me, actually, we've kind of grown together. And so we've picked all of our favorite songs from those four years. And we're going to deliver them as part of these pride events just as a celebration of who we are in our place in the community. And it's really exciting, really cheap tickets, so people can just come along and enjoy a night with us. [00:00:56] You [00:00:56] just want some of the repertoire. [00:00:58] Yeah, we're doing the range of amazing pieces. So the center of the concert for us is a piece we commissioned from Gareth far called during these days, we commissioned this piece for the 30th anniversary of the passage of the homosexual law reform in New Zealand. It was an extraordinary series of events we did and we're really pleased to be able to sing that piece again. And then around that we've got some what you could probably call a classic queer gay anthems. both modern and older, we're doing an amazing song called the fight song, which the choir loves. We're doing songs like, stand by you by the pretenders. We're doing some George Michael, freedom 90 a whole bunch of songs that people will love. And it's going to be a really fantastic night. [00:01:42] And then what about the huge concert? [00:01:45] This is a huge concert. I can't quite believe we're doing this. But it's true. The glamour phones are opening for the top queens who ever thought that would happen. This is the final night of the massive Elgar conference that's taking place in Wellington. $400. Good. So more from all around the world are coming to Wellington to talk about issues that affect our community around the world. And on the final night, there is a concept of the microfiber Center, the top twins of the headliners, which is super exciting. And we're going to sing and will be singing a few of the songs from the night before I'm not going to give it away. It's going to be a surprise. But we'll be doing 20 minutes to half an hour. And I just can't wait. It's such a great night for the choir. [00:02:23] And Will this be one of your biggest audiences? I mean, my fellow singers huge, [00:02:27] it'll definitely be the biggest one if we pack it out. So come along and help us think to our biggest ever audience. It's an it's an amazing place and great acoustic. I've never sung in there I've conducted in there before, but never song. So it's a first for me. And the choir is so excited, not just because it's the tops, but because it's at the NFC as well. Now you've [00:02:45] been with the choir for say four years. How has the choir changed you? [00:02:50] Wow, that's an amazing question. I would say the choir has taught me a lot about myself and my my place in the community actually, in the queer community. I feel really happy and proud of you, I am and I always have been but the choirs given me a voice in a way that I don't think I had before. That I think requires made me a lot more fun as well, let me just lay that out there. I can be quite a serious person. But the choir has taught me some jokes that I never thought I'd know. And they've just really taught me to embrace the people around me and be proud of our community and, and just stand up and be counted. And that's something I'll always be grateful for. [00:03:26] So after these two concerts, you're actually taking a little break for a while. [00:03:30] Yeah, I'm having a mini sabbatical. It's only six months. But this is a pretty full on job. And I do it in addition to actually having a full time job as well and working with other groups. And what I decided to do is have six months where I wasn't waving my arms about but I was actually thinking about my own music. So I'm going to spend six months playing the piano and you get my cello out for the first time in 15 years. I've just built a house and we've got a record player that actually plays records. And so we've got all of our records and I'm going to listen to them and reattach myself to my music inside myself. And then that will allow me to come back to the choir at the end of the year with with with a bit of learning about myself for my music, music, I think and yeah, just just do something a little bit different for a few months. And so [00:04:15] who's taking [00:04:16] over acquires really lucky we've managed to get a young man called Thomas Nicola to come along and conduct the choir. He's an amazing young musician, and he's going to have a great time with the choir. I know they've asked him to do some classical music as well as some other more standard glamour phones repertoire. And he'll be brilliant at that he actually conducts acquire can Taurus choir at the moment who I will say used to conduct many years ago. It's a small community. And Thomas has been working with us for a few weeks playing the piano and now he's singing with us getting to know the choir and getting ready to take on the the really the great honor and privilege of working with this group of people. [00:04:56] Just looking forward to the two concerts in March. What is the piece that you're making? Looking forward to performing? [00:05:02] That's an easy question. Actually. It's a song called This is me, which is from a movie called The greatest showman which I have seen. It's a good movie. It's not my favorite movie ever starts Hugh Jackman who is one of my favorites. But this song seems to have taken on an incredible life of its own. On the news just yesterday, apparently Hugh Jackman turned up at a UT and awkward nobody knew about it. And the kids are saying this is me for him. And he sang with them. And it brought him to tears. We sang this piece last year with a group of children from a local school and some of the children of our choir members. And we're really hoping that they can join us again. It's an incredible experience to sing with this choir and children. I will never forget that experience. And we were going to do it again. And just the song speaks to people. And it's a song. It's a statement about standing up and not allowing oppression to rule your life and not allowing bullies to take over and just saying this is who I am. And it's an amazing song. Now, Rachel, [00:06:01] your mom's his name? [00:06:04] Yeah, she just got off a plane from France. She's here for her visit to stay with me for a couple of months. And the grammar friends is one of her favorite things in the world. So needless to say rather than going home she came to rehearsal is the only reason I come really for the grammar phones. They're all my panels and they stay in contact over Facebook and things like that messages. And so I love them. I've adopted the whole lot. [00:06:26] What's it like to see Rachel are leading the spire. [00:06:28] I'm so proud of her. She is the best female comes up to that I have ever heard. Which is I'm only bias but she is so that's you know, so I can't be proud of it. I'll be at my only thing is I think she should be reading more rainbow wearing blue today. [00:06:48] So I'm trying to give it a hint. The shocking pink. [00:06:53] That's why it's [00:06:55] quiet lives. My mom and my mom loves the choir. So it's a real foreigner. We're real finance. That's right. Get Can I go and have a really, really strong coffee now. I'll talk to you next time and you'll get have to bend down or something. To to. Okay, thank you. [00:07:14] Alright, everybody. Let's come together, please. [00:07:21] I can see new people. Hello. Here you go, Sarah. Let's welcome Sarah to the Alto. [00:07:32] And I see new people over here as well. [00:07:36] And Joe, [00:07:42] could we start with our shoulders please. So some nice relaxed shoulder or backwards in your own time. You know how this goes. Very good. And my mom is bad. [00:07:56] Just noting that my mom gets the biggest cheer of [00:08:00] fingers behind your backs and just give yourselves a bit of a stretch. And the same forward. [00:08:09] Very nice. And can you just give her face a massage? Can you make some random interesting noises? [00:08:26] Very good. And can you give me a nice slow [00:08:45] Okay, let's do let's do a great big lion dresser a nice deep breath in. [00:08:55] And one more be more impressive. This like 60 almost in your in time. [00:09:02] Good and just do me a nice big you're [00:09:07] very good. He wants to pick a nursery rhyme for me this week. [00:09:12] jack and jill, can you sing that for me? [00:09:14] jack and Jill went up the hill. [00:09:19] They're broke his crown jewel came tumbling out. [00:09:24] Once more peace in the middle of the quiet. [00:09:31] Check back. [00:09:35] Let's go. [00:09:38] Let's go up a tone. [00:09:42] Step three for [00:09:43] jack. [00:09:48] JACK. [00:10:00] Wrong. [00:10:19] Before we start with that rehearsal rehearsal, [00:10:22] I'd like us to fight song for final bit of warm up, please fight song. [00:11:07] All right, sit down. Thank you, everyone. [00:11:12] So the [00:11:14] reason I chose that song to kick us off is that there's a lesson in how we have to start off upcoming performances. It's always hard to start a performance. There's that weird bit where you come on and it takes us you know the first song or two to really get going. I hadn't I don't ever want us to be like that, again, I always wanted to start out performances with a maximum impact, and then finish them with a maximum impact. But starting with impact is hard. Which is why it's good to start with the wireframe because it really gets our souls engaged. Right. But it also accounts for the first song. And that's the song that we should be able to deliver with impact. We know it we know it relatively well. I always want you to think about how you start a performance and how you start your rehearsal. Give commitment from the beginning. That was not hammers committed performance. It was a bit Thursday evening ish, our concerts on a Thursday evening. At this time, roughly. So you have to get rid of that Thursday evening is feeling in three weeks time and just deliver it straightaway. So cracking song anyway, so freedom 90. Let's start in the middle and get a singing with a bit that we're comfortable with. And then we'll work backwards from there. So could we go into the middle of the song, please? Well, it looks like the road to heaven, but it feels like the road to hell. [00:12:35] Hi, I'm Stephen, the chair of the gramophone committee. I've been doing this for about three years now. I've been singing with the choir for about five years. [00:12:44] Yeah. And how did you get involved? [00:12:46] Well, three friends, that community group and I know the choirs been going for nearly maybe 10 years now. And you just hear them, I hit them playing it and the pack years ago, and maybe that's something I want to do. I haven't hadn't signed for years and secondary school. So it's been, you know, 1520 years. And I got back into it. And I've been doing it since every Thursday. [00:13:13] And what do you get out of it? It's, [00:13:15] it's about the community. Yeah, make friends here. And the support you get, but also being part of a community to do something for the community to represent the community and perform to the community singing itself as great fun. And I often come to rehearsals on Thursdays. And it's you know, I'm tired after a day's work that at the end of the two hour here, so I feel great, you know, rejuvenated. So yeah, it's it's a, it's both [00:13:51] emotional support, but also a physical thing. It's like exercise coming here every every week. [00:13:58] So what makes a question we acquire as up the repertoire as the people singing? What makes a quick Why? [00:14:04] Well, I guess for us a combination of it all. That's the people equate that. And we try to do queer music by quick composers and musicians. But you know, not all of our musics like that. But it's also the way we deliver the music and what it means to us when we sing. So it's it's a combination of all that, [00:14:28] it strikes me that it's quite a diverse group of people that come to the choir. Can you talk about that diversity? [00:14:34] Yeah, I mean, I think one thing that I've seen over the last five or six years is that the composition of the choir has changed quite a bit, it was at the start of quite a stable, close knit group, that over time, and now numbers have stayed more or less the same, if not having grown to about 55 or 50. Members now, but we've got family, newer people coming in fast, more younger people, and people who are much more diverse and the identity, I guess, participating in the choir. And I don't know what what it is. You know, singing is not that cold. Never hasn't, you know, we don't agree on TV anymore. But I think it might be to do with our growing part that we are playing in the community and being a place for people to participate and belong. So yeah, that's one interesting thing that I've seen over the last few years. [00:15:33] So when you're up on stage singing in a mixed group of people, what is that feeling? Like? It's, [00:15:42] I guess, it's the feeling of unity of be playing your part and a bigger in a bigger thing. And, and you're looking out into the into the crowd, [00:15:54] the HSA you, and be part of us. That's, that's fantastic. [00:15:58] Now, there's been some disunity in kind of fracturing in the queer communities over the last year, especially, you know, I'm thinking of things like the police and the pride parade. Also, kind of corporate sponsorship, etc, etc. But it strikes me from the outside, is that quite as a very unifying? And I'm wondering, can you talk about how choirs and in particular for the claim of phones, unified people? [00:16:26] Yeah, I guess we are, first of all about the music. So [00:16:33] the music is what brings us together, that, you know, there's difference within the within the quiet. And one thing that we've been emphasizing more over the last few years is [00:16:47] that we are here for the community we are seen to for the community, so we have to be open. The other thing is, you know, the choir started off as a Gay Men's Choir and opened up to woman is well, that's over time. It's, it's become policy that we just don't ask anyone, you know, what, what they're about, like this reason why they want to come Sing with us. And, you know, we've all been there, like, we've all been in situations where, you know, they comfortable talking about it, and that's fine. So I think having that strong basis of being inclusive, and being about each being here for each other about the music really binds us, we, we have our differences, you know, we we that we have robust conversations and in that at the end of the day, we're all here for the singing. [00:17:37] Speaking of swimming, what's your favorite? What's your favorite song that you sing? [00:17:42] Oh, that's a hard one. I think one of my favorite songs has always been true colors. That's that's, you know, done by an amazing, amazing thing here in the first place. But it's actually really, really hard to say, well, [00:18:00] try to push [00:18:01] that. Also, it's it's one of these compositions with us that balance of the really sort of seem to mental element, but in the real sort of release. And for the Tina part, that's also really high. So at the end of it, you're kind of high on, on oxygen deprivation, really. It's great fun. [00:18:23] And what's it like coming off the stage after the performance? What what's that feeling like? [00:18:27] It's always a bit weird for me, because I have to address the audience at the end. So I am talking to them. And that it's a weird feeling. Because the hour that you're on stage, she was like five minutes. But typically, one thing that we do is acquire as we like, put on refreshments and not suffer afterwards. So it's not the end. When we get off stage, we've got another half hour to talk to our friends. Now community. So yeah, it's it's like we've done something for them. And now it's time to, to enjoy each other's company. [00:19:02] So I am freshly graduated student, I got involved in the choir in my second year of uni. My mom was doing singing lessons, I was jealous of her. And she likes group singing. So we both came here because my mother was the most supportive person on the entire planet. And then when she stopped doing seeing Listen, she kept paying for my admission to the choir. So I got to keep coming for three years now, I think this is my third year of the choir. [00:19:31] So can you remember back to those first times you came in what that feeling was like, [00:19:36] it was a touch overwhelming. Um, I don't read music. I did some like theater in high school. But I very quickly jumped to like backstage stuff, because I found that really interesting. So actually, doing performance things, again, was really quite terrifying. And then I joined about a month and a half before a concert, and then performed in the concert because you know, fear is for losers. [00:20:03] But it was great. The whole choir is really just welcoming. And if you don't read music, if you don't know what you're doing, they arrange like sectionals on weekends so that you can practice your parts with people who actually do read music and know what it's supposed to sound like and everyone's willing to help out. Yeah. [00:20:24] So what is it like learning if you're not actually reading the music, because I mean, some of the stuff you're singing is actually really complex you [00:20:31] as a lot of the things that people who are around you. So like because the choir is split into actual sections. So Sopranos on one side, altos on the other tenants front, middle basis at the back, you need if you're not confident in the song, or if you're not confident and reading music, it helps to be middle front of the group that you're in, because that way, everyone that you're hearing is singing your part. And that way songs, you're matching everyone that you can hear, then you've got, you're sitting on like the board line has two parts, then you'll start to kind of wobble. And that doesn't help much. [00:21:06] So can you recall what it was like? Having that performance a month after you join? What was it like being on stage? [00:21:14] really amazing. I hadn't really been involved much with the community in Wellington, I moved to Wellington partway through high school. And so once I kind of aged out of youth groups, I didn't really have a connection anymore. And so it was the first time that I'd seen like, I guess, the LGBT community beyond my age group, or gathered for a thing, which was incredible, like I hadn't ever experienced that before. [00:21:42] It seems to be quite a diverse group. And I wonder what what's the kind of the unifying things that bring people together with the [00:21:48] choir. Um, I think music is definitely part of it. I think everyone at the quiet does like music, maybe they aren't necessarily as passionate about certain aspects of it as everyone else, maybe if one has different genres that they adore, that kind of thing. But everyone enjoys singing, everyone enjoys part of the performance, or just the community aspect of everyone getting together on a Thursday evening and singing the same kind of thing. And just knowing that there are people in the room who understand where you're coming from, and how you think about things. [00:22:21] So describe some of your most kind of favorite songs that you sing. [00:22:27] I really love brave. It's one of my favorite songs, and is a bunch of songs where everyone gets involved with head songs with hedge. Like kids from a school as part of the performance of my parents have come along. And it's really great to be able to have songs that like boredom, the community beyond just like, what you expect when you think about like LGBT q quiet. [00:22:53] What would you say to somebody that was the singer but hadn't been an acquire before and maybe didn't have the confidence to kind of approach. [00:23:02] The great thing about being an acquire is that if you suck a little bit, or a lot of it, it's really hard for anyone who isn't using artists, like so long as you're following along well enough, and so long as you feel like you can keep following along, then you'll just get better. I can't read music, I can barely hear tune, I guess 90% of my way through songs. My head kicked me out yet. So I think you're good. [00:23:29] Hi, I'm Gerard. And I think in the quiet Latina fiction, but we all have extra jobs and mindless to arrange the [00:23:36] ticket sales. And what are you selling tickets for? [00:23:39] So it's for the climate phones concept, an association with the pride weekend Wellington, it's going to be on Thursday, the 21st of march from 7pm at St. Andrews on the tears. And this time, we're going to be singing our gracious tips from 2015 to 2018. Lots of the old favorites, [00:23:57] what drew you to the choir, [00:23:59] I will I love to sing. And for ages I had very busy work and couldn't commit to things but once it changed, someone said you should go along to the to the Glen of phones. And I turned up and was felt very welcome from day one. And I really enjoyed working with the choir for the last five years. Can you [00:24:18] described that first encounter with the climate funds what it was like? [00:24:21] Well, yeah, I'm the good thing about that. On the singing side is that community choir and I don't read music, I mean, I follow music but don't read music. And that's not an impediment because there's lots of music readers and we have technology to support us and learning our roles. On the guy side, very welcoming and safe place lots of lots of great people from around the city, all sorts of different jobs they come from, and they all bring a unique experiences and, and expertise to help with running require and they all enjoy singing [00:24:57] what makes a rainbow quiet. [00:25:01] So a desire to to be with [00:25:06] fellow community members. And particularly great when you see lots of young people coming along we have quite a few university students who are here in Wellington, and we form part of their extended community and for many we form part of the the actual family is they they are can be isolated you the distance and and first time away from home for many of them or international visitors who perhaps even have sang in their own choirs back home and joining us to continue with what they get out of a of a community choir like ours. And what do you get out of it? Right, as I said, I I really enjoy, enjoy singing, and it's a real, you know, punctuation to the week, Thursday night rehearsal, couple of concerts a year, and [00:26:00] just really nice to have a good singing and to be part of something creative, to listen to the music improving as we learn this and practice it and refine it and some of the pieces are just absolutely beautiful when the choir sings them and and so I have an emotional attachment to the music The in and that's the joy I get out of it. [00:26:22] what's what's your favorite song that you sing? [00:26:27] Or I don't think I have one there's only one one or two and the H repertoire which are particularly fun. We were seeing hoses Take me to the church and and and that's, that's one of the Tina's can get to belt out. So we will quite like that one. And, and there are others. We sing some of the technical pieces on occasion. I remember once a [00:26:50] couple years ago when my mother died about the time of the concert and fixed so I was back for the concept but they sort of dedicated one his was in Sanger have a VM for my mom, she would have loved to attend, as I've recorded and prayer for the family and the totals lovelies. Right? Yeah. [00:27:09] So the concept at St. Andrews, um, how is that going to be decorated? [00:27:13] Well, we have a limited budget this time. So when we have a concept with a special name, we often go go out and seek sponsorship for stage management, etc. But this time we have a we have a rainbow flag which is synonymous with our community. It's seven meters by three meters. And we're going to be suspended above the otter it's an Andrews, who very graciously and you know, considered part of the family as well. And they want that up for a period before our concept which is over the period of pride because they're intending to hold some community services here for the for the community and it'll be really nice to brighten up the church and give a special meaning for Andrews who have been very inclusive for such a long time here in Wellington. [00:28:04] Now today I don't know if you saw that. The International Airport here in Wellington the embankment at the front has got this huge big painted rainbow Have you seen it? [00:28:14] No I sort of thing on social media where there was we're starting at Tom. I remember being in Sydney a couple of years ago when the top Oxford Street they painted the pedestrian crossing for the first time and rainbow colors and I was a member of the New Zealand defeats force and at the time and I had the honor of matching with the Australian Defence Force the first time they will uniform in the in the Sydney Pride Parade. So we have a connection throughout our defense force network called Overwatch and saw the representatives from the New Zealand Overwatch window and and matched in the prayed with the Australian Defence support network. [00:28:57] I'm not sure what the embankment people if you can match on that. But you could certainly slide down as [00:29:03] well. That's right. I think there's also pedestrian crossing in Cuba street going up and I'm anticipating that there will be a few [00:29:13] a few rainbow flags around the town. And I think with the Defence Force matching in the Wellington parade, they may well be an opportunity to perhaps [00:29:22] throw a few rainbow flags around a few armored vehicles or something [00:29:28] I'm getting and I live in Wellington and I used to live in Oakland. So how did I get involved in the choir? Well, am I saying and gals which was again it's been quite an Auckland for 10 years and then moved down to Wellington for work. And at that stage so we're was a male only one. And but they were looking to in to embrace women. And I came along at the right time. So I've been since I've been in the class and seen and what trolls use acquires. [00:29:59] I felt like I was coming home. [00:30:04] So it's a family community thing. Yeah. [00:30:07] Can you describe what it's like singing just in the midst of a group of people? [00:30:13] Well, you get the right song because it doesn't happen for every song, but you get the right song and a chokes you up can check you out. Like I'm getting choked up now. And [00:30:27] and then, and then making a beautiful sound is is also fantastic. And, and I really enjoyed it. I mean, there's lots of research out there about the benefits of singing and, and how it increases your endorphins and positive emotions and stuff like that. But I don't come for this. Although Having said that, I can you know, think Can I be bothered ganda? Tonight? And you know, and then I'll come and it'll be it'll be a bus with it. [00:31:00] What's the piece of music but just really get to what's the most moving thing that you're saying? [00:31:06] Well, there's heaps, but the one that I like, at the moment is, is [00:31:14] placed by Martin Larson. On on the sacred night, it's not quite the right title. But you know, and it's, he's he's a contemporary American composer and sang his songs before of gals and, and it's just beautiful harmonies. [00:31:37] Can you describe for me some of the most kind of memorable concepts that you've been punished? [00:31:42] Yes. So periodically, the Australasian game is the inquires get together as called out and loud. And so I've sung in those Australasian passionate coral festivals in Melbourne, and Sydney, and the games and Sydney interest in whenever it was, and, and also an Auckland. So those are the memorable times when you get you know, 200 voices lifting to the evens. [00:32:16] What would you say to somebody that was a singer, but it might be has never been in the quiet before ends in particular? I've never been on a rainbow choir before. How would you? How would you sell gramophones? [00:32:29] It's the community that you come to. So everyone's extremely friendly. Rachel is fantastic is a musical director. And, and we're seeing a great variety of different songs. And it's, it's just exciting and fun. [00:32:49] So I'm I'm taller snicker and I'm going to be the center rhythm sort of version of the kid that day. From match tool. I think it's October going to fund square. And what's [00:33:02] the conductor do with the choir? [00:33:05] So it's actually I think the role is where the musical director. So it's not just waving your arms, your hand and dancing in front of everyone. Make your folk but it's also teaching the music and teaching how I want it performed. Yeah, different versions of music every good at this slightly differently. [00:33:24] And so you're about to step into this role for for a period of what, eight months. [00:33:29] Yeah, [00:33:30] that's the reason that I might start over so [00:33:33] and once you're in the role, how do you want to kind of shape the corner? [00:33:37] Yeah. So require does does quite a lot of pop songs. songs that reflect pride and such. I'm going to be doing one. I haven't announced it yet. So I'm going to be doing one on the pace with the credits more classical, just because it's what I come from my normal field background. So I'm going to do one thing I'm probably a whole lot musical theater stuff. But I'm not I'm not going to change so much it's it's the choirs graduate [00:34:07] and you're saying you came from a musical background so so what is your background? [00:34:10] So I studied classical performance at Victoria University. [00:34:15] I graduated two and a half years ago now almost three years ago and last year as repetitive for their own his own ballet. [00:34:25] I don't do too much playing or most of my clients can share those with orchestras or or check the music but yeah, if we can add to a recital or two [00:34:34] and what drew you to the kind of funds [00:34:37] actually interesting then my first year of uni I think it was my first thing anyway. I first or second job. I mean, there are countless at the time Michael pencils. And he he got me involved with him for just a little bit of time and Jane Malcolm's was conducting. And I think the choir some of them still know me. And they could that the Rachel hi works a lot with what I did Chamber Orchestra. And she had saved me play with them. So I think it was it was her idea to give me a long to come and take over for these couple months. [00:35:13] What makes a good coral singer. [00:35:17] Lots of things that's crossings. That's Tremont music, singing ne ne ne ne things with a group has jam music. So listening to people singing churn. That's, that's, that can be listened. What did you think sometimes, but you know, takes having fun. [00:35:38] I mean, I see no point having wireless, it's fun. But also the text is the most important thing to me. As a director based, [00:35:46] can you describe what it's like to be part of a mixed group of people seeing [00:35:52] what it's different flavor and I think but I'm I really love it. It's, it's sort of gives you a bit of [00:35:59] a say courage, but it's sort of, it's sort of a peck, you sort of feel with especially when the class, this class got original, better people. So that feels everything sort of big, which is fun. One of the things from the outside [00:36:13] that my perception is that it's a very unifying activity being an acquire, especially like a community choir. And I wonder, with so much kind of fracturing going on in the kind of queer communities at the moment. Can you speak to, I guess, how acquires can unify and why they unify? [00:36:36] I mean, [00:36:38] quite quite as bring all sorts of different papers together, which is a good thing. I mean, you have you have people here that otherwise wouldn't sing, and groups just because they want to be part of a group. That's, that's clear, of queer friendly. [00:36:53] And then you've got people who love singing, and they go to class every night of the week, and there's a few of those people in the class. So it's, you get you don't get a lot of different things coming together different groups. And the square, especially more than the minimum felt a lot of classmates and more than a lot of other class. The differences in people, which is really nice, actually, it's part of what makes it really fun. And so what do you do? I mean, I am well, I'm really into it. Pretty bad. I mean, I was I was playing for the last four weeks, just because they There are countless was in China. But I decided that asking the standard Cycling is fun. But London [00:37:35] and what would you say to somebody who loves singing but maybe doesn't have confidence of joining a quarter? If [00:37:42] you can come into this crowd, definitely tell them to come here. Because it's it's the sort of quiet it's it's very easy to fit in somewhere. And you don't you don't have to read. You don't have to be the quickest learner anything. It's fun.

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