Parliament: second reading of the Sullivan Birth Certificate Bill

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[00:00:00] This podcast is brought to you by pride nz.com. It's a copy of the New Zealand parliamentary broadcast, which has been lightly edited to remove extended GIFs and proceedings. [00:00:11] And we call now on private and local order of the day number two. [00:00:16] Sullivan birth certificate Bill Second Reading. [00:00:21] Lewis a wall [00:00:22] killed him is to speak at Tina Carter capital. I move that the Sullivan birth certificate will be now read a second time. Mr. Speaker, this private bill allows the details of Rowan Sullivan to record the reality of her family is the select committee states and its report the bill with the amendments recommended or make what is a matter of fact that Diane Sullivan, enduring shields, Rowan Sullivan's parents [00:00:51] a matter of law. [00:00:53] For those who are not familiar with the background, this bill arose out of the fact that Roland Sullivan cannot by law had the names of both your parents on her birth certificate. After seven years together her appearance Diane Sullivan and Doreen shields had a daughter who was born by an assisted human reproduction procedure to Diane on the 23rd of February 1993. At that time, only Diane's name was recorded on Rowan's birth certificate as her birth mother. In 2006. Diane was diagnosed with a terminal illness and passed away in 2010 when Rowan was 17. At that time, Rowan and Doreen decided that Doreen would apply for an adoption order is that was the only legal option available to them to record the appearance child relationship. But in doing that, Doreen received a new birth certificate with just storylines name on it and her mother Diane's name was removed. That was the law but it means the reality let's say of Rowan's upbringing and family was not recorded, and there was no ability for her or Doreen to take advantage of changes made by the status of children act in last year's marriage amendment act. Rowan's age in the passing of dying meat that was not possible. [00:02:19] A private bill [00:02:20] is the only way Rowan's parents can both be recorded on her birth registration details from which a new birth certificate can be issued. I particularly want to acknowledge the members of the government administration Select Committee. So he by the honorable Ruth Dyson for the work and the amendments to the bill that they have recommended. The amendments reflect the commitment of the select committee to understand what the spiller seeking the amendments recommended by the select committee clarify what what the spell is about. It's about Rowan Sullivan having the names of both the appearance on Hubbard sort of the select committee has rightly rename this private bill the Sullivan booth registration bill, because it's the details how the Romans booth registration, which currently record the adoption order and the name adoring shields that are the basis for the issuing of Rowan's birth certificate. Should this bill pass Rowan's parents will legally be the two women who who appearance and true life Diane Sullivan enduring shields. On a personal note, I would also like to thank the members of the Select Committee for the manner in which they heard and reported on a major it is extremely sensitive for the promoter Roland Sullivan, and a living parent during shield so I acknowledge in the house tonight, Doreen and Rowan have asked that I pass on the thanks to the select committee. And during these words, she told me and I quote, Rowan and I had no idea what to expect from the select committee. We thought it might be quite intense Dyson and we wondered if maybe they wouldn't really be very interested in the bill. As it turned out, we didn't need to worry about either of those things. were really impressed with the care the committee took to understand what Rowan wanted to achieve with the bill and with the changes they made to it. I am honored to be the sponsor of this bill that I recommend to the house with the amendments proposed by the select committee. appropriately, I will leave the last word to the promoter of the bill Rowan Sullivan and I quote it's hard to believe that I'm about to turn 21 and M hopefully very close to finally having official recognition of both my parents. I feel very lucky to live in a country where it's possible for that to happen. No data Tina Coto Tina Koto, Tina taco capital, [00:04:52] the Christian is that the motion be agreed to. [00:04:57] Oh, Chris Rock and Roll. [00:04:58] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the very brief amount of time available just before dinner, I'd like to begin my speech in support of the celebrant birth certificate bill, which is set down for a second reading and sponsored very ably may I say by Labour MP Lewis award war with her was a pleasure to work with Mr. Speaker, the purpose of the bill, the bill or require the registrar general bestest marriages to record the details of Rowan, Solomon's deceased mother on her post adoptive birth registry entry. It may well be Mr. Speaker that people consider that something of a technical detail and indeed, when we saw the bill before us, we thought that it did have a very technical aspect to it. The reality was that it also had a very a very personal aspect. This is one of those occasions Mr. Speaker, when the only solution available to the applicant was available through Parliament. It has no effect on any other person and it can be done for that person. [00:06:18] Time has come to suspend the house for dinner. I shall resume the cheer at 730 Bon appetit. [00:06:33] The house is resumed [00:06:37] 10 o'clock kowtow to knock YVAE we in a real anger ha with Tina Koto Koto Koto koto RT Hey, more your honorable members, I can do it on a roll members when we were last here. I understand that the honorable member Chris Aachen vol was speaking he has eight minutes and 30 seconds remaining, if you wish to seek the cord. Mr. Speaker, I call the honorable member Chris Campbell. [00:07:11] Tonight, Mr. Speaker. [00:07:17] Thank you, my speaker and it's a pleasure to resume. Speaking about the celebrant birth certificate [00:07:23] bill, [00:07:25] as we had spoken earlier. This is one of those occasions in Parliament where the [00:07:34] legislation can do something for someone that nothing else can do that it only applies to that individual person. And in fact that there are no negative elements at all associated with the passage of this bill. It requires the register General of business marriages. to record the details of Roland Sullivan's deceased mother have post adopted birth registration entry. As a speaker we heard from Lewis walls who introduced the bill that will hear an echo from Ruth Dyson, the chair of the government admin select committee [00:08:17] that there was apprehension on the part of the [00:08:22] the applicants for the bill that they will be perceived as wasting our time or not having a significant thing for us to do requiring a bill of the urn. But this is a member's bill, this is what these times are set aside for. And anyone of course, who knows the honorable Ruth Dyson would would realize there will be guaranteed a good reception, I'm sure. But for those members who would like to know, Mr. Speaker, the minutiae of how this came about. We can through the good services of the sponsor of the bill Lewis wall, we can provide a summary of the events. And I would like to read this to the house now. Members opposite I should be conducting a small written test afterwards to see how much what you remembered and understood, but this is the complexities of the situation. Robin Sullivan's parents from birth with Diane Sullivan, a birth mother and Diane Sullivan his female partner Dorian shields at their bed. Dan Sullivan died in 2010. When Ron was 17 years old. Dorian shields chose not to adopt Rowan while Diane Sullivan was still alive, as this would have required the removal of Dan Sullivan the birth mother's name from Reverend celebrants birth certificate. [00:09:55] Dorian shields instead [00:09:56] applied to be an additional goddess. This expired on Roland Sullivan's 18th birthday. [00:10:06] During shields then apply for an adoption order following the death of Diane Sullivan. The order was made on the 15th of January 2013. However, there's order required that Diane Sullivan's name be removed from Rowan Sullivan's birth certificate. And for those who are still traveling the journey with us all and let's remember, this was a journey that someone actually traveled Doreen had Diane sellable and Dorian shields been able to legally marry, they would have been jointly able to apply to adopt Rowan. If this has occurred, they would both have been named as their parents on her birth record. Following the marriage definition definition of marriage amendment act 2013, which coincidentally went through the same Select Committee, same sex couples are able to marry and are therefore able to have jointly to adopt [00:11:02] children. So [00:11:04] I think anyone would be forgiven for not completely following the intricacies of those events, Mr. Speaker, but the end, it was a credit to the members of the committee. Everyone paid avid interest, the recipient, so the applicants for the bill gave a really useful submission to the Select Committee, which really made things very apparent to us [00:11:36] there within the [00:11:38] aspects that had to be considered, that we required officials advice from, [00:11:44] and again, I really want to say to those who are watching this evening, or listening on the radio, that the advice one gets as a parliamentarian, is first class in New Zealand. First class and I think almost every member would agree with that perhaps there is the art occasion when something might not quite come up to the map. But for the most part, I don't think MPs can really justifiably say they couldn't find something out. Because we have a superb library, superb library, and the quality of officials and the quality of official advice. I've always found to be to be excellent. I see some nods from people whose academic academic background I have great respect for, but have been in a position of comparison. And this was one example I think, were the smaller details were taken into account. So that in setting a precedent, if it were creating a precedent that there would be no harm done. As it is, Mr. Speaker, this [00:12:52] bill doesn't [00:12:54] sit, Chris precedents because the circumstances are almost unique. Well, you can't use the phrase almost unique. I can see Mr. Feddersen bristling at the various suggestion. I'd like Mr. Speaker, I'd formally like to withdraw that remark, I did not say I did not intend to say. [00:13:13] Clearly, [00:13:14] I did not intense that almost unique, because that's a stupid conflict of [00:13:20] terms. But this is a relatively unusual situation, it would be most surprising if the circumstances were ever duplicated in exactly the same order. And so this will not be a repeatable situation. And the proposed clause, the additional clause for that the Committee recommends, would make it clear that Diane Silva, Dorian Margaret shields are for all purposes, the parents of Rowan Sullivan, Mr. Speaker, it was a really interesting bill from all points of view, not just in respect of the family concern, but in consideration how we are identified as individuals, I would have thought, and I know, other committee members shared with me that your birth certificate was it. But in fact, it's not it. It's simply a record of what is recorded within the record system. And so it was a very interesting journey. Through the identification of individuals, and the linkage with other people through relationships. It's been a pleasure to be part of the spill. It's been educative informative, and understand from the comments related from the family. It's been considered useful. I commend the spill to the house techno speak. [00:14:50] I call the honorable Ruth Dyson. [00:14:53] And thank you, Mr. Speaker, it gives me a lot of pleasure to speak and the second reading of the Sullivan bid certificate bill. And I want to begin by paying a tribute to the sponsor of the bill, my colleague Lewis of all and say that, it again, she has bought ashes to this house that have caused a lot of interest. With head, a lot of consideration, it slipped committee, and I'm pleased that it was referred to as the committee it was a real privilege to be part of that process. I want to pay a tribute to our select committee members, some of the issues were more complex than we perhaps had originally considered. In both the select committee members in the officials deserve a note of tribute for the way that they gave in received a lot of questions and a lot of answers. And I think that really paid respects to the bill itself in the papers of the bill. But more than last of all, and the select committee members in the officials, I want to pay tribute to the three woman am who this film is about the lights Diane Sullivan, during shields in the GA, Roland Sullivan, this still is really a bit of a love story. It's a story about the relationship that dying in during his in the fact that they raised the daughter together in times that were perhaps a little ahead of the societal recognition in what is not an unusual practice now of same sex couples, couples raising children together. So I want to pay tribute festival to to Doreen and here here love in mother of your daughter, the light giant in digital Sharon, and during in row and appeared before the select committee. And I think most of us would recognize that a bunch of the MPs sitting in a room is not a it's not an easy process. We're a little bit intimidating. We don't try to be but I think we are the formality of a select committee process can also be quite daunting for people to go through. And that's at a time when you're talking about something that's quite theoretical, you might be talking about a text change where you might be talking about something that's really one step removed from your life. People find that process, quite a scary prospect and often get quite wrestled when they come before sleep committee. So to have people come to a select committee talking about the very essence of the relationships in lives, and why they want us to make a law change, talk a lot of carriage. And I want to particularly acknowledge the courage and strength that Doreen in Rowan showed towards each other, but also acknowledged that the three and forced to the committee just how important the smooth was. And the story at Cedar to France HD, we understood that this was not a minor technical issue, that this really talked about the recognition of society, towards the relationship. And I I know that all members of the select committee were very moved by the presentation, but by the reality of the situation. And and by the fix that we had the opportunity to recognize the relationship of Dion and during in the legitimate parenting of Robin and the rule. The deputy chief Chris Allan Poe and his contribution made a comment about the fates that we thought that once we had made this clear, you know, datacenter got would suffice for all purposes. And it was one of the many challenges that the officials through trials that some this this proof of parenthood must have to be done through some other method it sometime in the future. So we decided that it was a nonsense, actually we didn't decide. I'm not saying the advice was nonsense. We thought the requirement to do that would be a nonsense. So we've made it clear that this is it once Parliament sits the seal on this, the undying, enduring Rowan's logician, which parents for all purposes. And by the day, no parliament will ever have to go through this again. And I think it was it was probably important for us to hit the debate. But none of us could think of one single instance in our own lives, when we'd hit to produce anything ever been a bit difficult with our parents name in order to prove who our parents were. But anyway, we've put it beyond doubt, and I trust and and committee stages. And I'm sure that we'll we'll make sure that that is the case. And Mr. Mr. speakers, as I said, I want to particularly recognize [00:19:44] the love that [00:19:46] dying, enduring Enron, hate and hate for each other and say that Parliament doesn't often get that sort of involvement and our debate in it. It's a responsibility that I'm sure every member of the staff who take very seriously as we go through the debate, and go through the voting process, I want to quote a couple of things that Jordan said in terms of how she felt. And she said it publicly. So I'm not preaching any privacy, but it had a huge impact on me, and I'm sure at will and others how she felt when following the passing of the [00:20:25] partner [00:20:27] into adoption of Rowan, so that Rowan wouldn't be Lyft is illegal often say that she hates illegal loving parent. She saw the partners name Rowan's birth mother's name, taken from the birth certificate. She said it was horrible. She said, given what Diane went through and how she struggled to be there. For Ron, it was just obscene, quite honestly, I don't think any of us can imagine how hard that would be. To watch your partner nine things taken from the booth Certificate of your child, the child and your child, in order for us to become the legitimate, legitimate in terms of the law period that they reach must have been huge. And it's so good to be able to put what I think is an injustice right? Through this process at Rowan, who, of course, is the holder of the splits forgotten as the center of attention and far as far as the legal change? See the actually it wasn't about here. She said, and I'm quoting here, it's more about my parents having me in the 90s when gay people having children was very uncommon. They showed a lot of bravery and courage. They chose to have me together and made many sacrifices to give me the best life possible. And I want that to be recognized legally. I had two parents in my birth certificate should show this doesn't seem to be a very big ask, Mr. Speaker, I think it's something that every member of this house should want to support. And I certainly hope is the debate progresses, that that's where we get to, in terms of the [00:22:15] in terms of the recognition [00:22:18] of the legitimate appearance of Rowan is I see this area that suddenly came about, because of the death of dying Sullivan, when she died, is wrong with mother. Robin was legally an orphan she hidden over just too much and the law loving parent, and it wasn't acceptable to her mother, during shields. And we will know that they can be circumstances where those legitimate relationships and that are not upheld and the law can cause problems. So it is really important in terms of your wealth, and teams of other arrangements such as medical decisions. There are many circumstances in which heaven a legally recognized relation, mother, and this case is very important in it was for Doreen and Ron, but I actually think it was important, because they've lost that nature of the relationship in the law was behind the eight ball. So it was only because of that situation, that this this really unfortunate circumstance arise. We huge, a lot of concerns that the select committee not raised in any attempt to undermine this. But concerns about whether this would set a precedent with a would provide and fairness to other people who may be in a situation where they didn't know who the parent was, and found out at a later stage and one of them put in the business to forget, we had all sorts of discussions and considerations around that. In the end, we came back to what I think was the great advice and Sydney was the leadership that Lewis of all provided when she introduced the spill. This is a standalone situation, designed specifically for this family. It doesn't see any precedents. And initially if it did, I'd be very happy for any family in a similar situation to have the same legal recognition but it is a circumstance that will not arise in the future because of subsequent law changes. And I think that's a very good thing. I enjoyed listening to the discussion around us I enjoyed the submissions and I am delighted to be able to support this bill to progress in and justice and recognize the love in the relationship of dying, enduring and Rowan. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [00:24:53] I call the honorable member KOG Singh Bakshi sensory [00:24:58] system. [00:25:00] First of all, I would like to congratulate the sponsor of this bill, loose award for bringing up this issue to the parliament. And above all, I think the biggest acknowledgement goes to Robin's Sullivan Sullivan, because it shows her respect to her parents. I think this bill when it was introduced, as the chair just now mentioned on revolut Dyson, that it looked like the very simple bill, which will go through quickly and come back to the parliament reported back to the parliament. But as this bill progressed, many more technical issues came up, which will then very quarterly this for this Select Committee. I would like to acknowledge the advisors to this bill, who helped us to make sure that this bill passes through the parliament with all those answers available for Robin Sullivan. This bill is a reminder, Mr. Speaker, that quite frequently the government can and does have a significant positive effect on people's life at a very personal level. Thereby Sir, it is important that we in this house Do not forget our duty to handle these cases with respect. Mr. Speaker here I would like to also acknowledge the government's admin Select Committee, who has dealt with many issues in this term, whether it was marriage equality bill, whether whether it was it is in process of paid parental leave bill, we have learned a lot in this in this Select Committee. And I acknowledge the members of this Select Committee from which I have learned a lot. I feel that every day when I come to the parliament, I learned something new, which is unique and I acknowledge all the members contributing in this house. The matter arises because of the marriage definition of marriage bill Amendment Bill Act passed, after which the same sex couple are able to marry and therefore make application to adopt children had died Sullivan and during shield been able to legally marry as is the as the law law is they would have been able to jointly apply to adopt Robin. If this had occurred, they would both have been named as parents on the on her birth record. Here I would like to acknowledge both the parents Mr. Speaker, because it is the they're growing up what they have given to their daughter. And she has really made a point and effort to bring this issue to this Parliament so that both the parents are mentioned on her birth certificate. And this is a good growing up have a good culture of the family, which I think Robin has received from both the parents. The marriage definition amendment [00:28:30] 2030 13 now requires that the registrar General of birth that and marriages to record the Dan Sullivan and Darren shield as Robins parents. Mr. Speaker, I think this is an important piece of legislation to ensure the New Zealand its citizens keep up with the time and reforms were there there is a need to we always have been an open minded society. Mr. Speaker, we have always listened to what citizens of this country want. Due to our nature Mr. Speakers since 2005. New Zealand law has allowed both same sex parents of New Zealand born children conceived through assisted human reproductive technology produced to be named on the child's birth record. The change was restrictive so that pre 2005 New Zealand birth registration record can be amended on application at any time to include both same sex parents details. There is absolutely no doubt that this law change will bring a smile on the Sullivan family. Mr. Speaker, can I share that the law already contains rule for changing a birth record. In other circumstances, including but not limited to the city tuition where pedantry order is obtained. Individual changes his or her name by a statutory declaration, and individual undergoes gender reassignment. However, Mr. Speaker, may I share that the bill does not create a precedent for other individuals seeking to change their registered birth record. The bill applies only to Robin Solomon. Because of her situation, which has itself arisen from a unique combination of circumstances, including her birth, overseas falling HR procedure, which meant her parents was not registered in New Zealand. The key consideration is that 19th August 2013, married married same sex couples can adopt jointly. If the marriage amendment act have been in place before Dan Sullivan, Solomon died, the train of events given rise to the bill could have been avoided. Mr. Speaker, the bill does not change the adoption order itself. Because don't do so to do so could set a precedent for other situations where a deceased individual has not indicated an intention to adopt. Before I conclude, Mr. Speaker, once again, I would like to congratulate Robyn Sullivan, for her courage. And for her commitment to her both the parents to get her name, their name on her birth certificate so that she can live with the pride that she has acknowledged her parents in due course. With these words, I commend this bill to the house. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [00:32:02] I call the honorable member. Kevin, hey, to knock way Mr. Hey, [00:32:08] 10 awkward Mr. Speaker. It's a genuine pleasure to take a call and this debate. Earlier this year, I had to the great privilege of being able to participate in the covenant administration committees consideration of marriage equality bill. And it was fantastic to work with a group of people who were committed to getting great outcomes. And today, again to participate in a debate character that is characterized by warm and generous and kind speeches from members of a committee is is a great experience. I want to thank members of the committee, Hillary Tyson as the chair of that committee, and officials who worked with with the committee, I hear that they did a fantastic job, I didn't get the chance to experience their work this time around. And in particular to say thanks, and congratulations to my colleague and friend Lisa wall. And that's twice over a pretty short space of time that important human rights bills have come to this house under Louis's name. I'm one of several members of this house who is in a same sex relationship with children. And I'm sure that for those of us in that situation, we can all think about how it would be for us in our situation, if we were plunged into this nightmare scenario that Ron Sullivan and appearance have been through. You know, Mr. Speaker, human rights is an area that is frequently debated in this house. And typically when we talk about human rights, we talk about the rights of collectives of large groups of people, the denial of human rights, to whole ethnicity to a whole gender, a whole sexual orientation. And then I think is probably the most frequent use of the the idea of human rights in this house. But really, that relates to just just one of those human rights. And it's the right to freedom from discrimination. [00:34:43] When Eleanor Roosevelt who was [00:34:47] perhaps the motivating force behind the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, explained the idea of universal human rights, this is what she said. She said, we're after all, to unit human rights begin, in small places close to home, in places, so small, and so close, that they cannot be seen on any map of the world. It they are the world of the individual person, the neighborhood, he lives in the school or college, he attends the factory farm office where he works. These places where every man, woman, and child, six equal justice, equal dignity, and equal opportunity without discrimination. Mr. Speaker, this bill is about human rights. It's about the human rights of one person, right of that person, to acknowledge their own identity, to have their parents respected by law, as being the parents. I haven't dealt with very many private bills in this house, or I cannot think of another situation where a private bill is more appropriate. Congratulations to those who, to the government administration Select Committee. Congratulations to Ron Sullivan, and Tory, and also to Diane, thank you, Mr. Speaker. [00:36:31] I recognize your remember, marijuana making, making [00:36:36] sure to miss the speaker. [00:36:39] Thank you very much. I'm very happy to take a call on the second reading of the Sullivan birth certificate bill [00:36:45] to congratulate my colleague loss of all in friendless all once again, for being a champion for some some very important issues in this house and around the country. And of course, to the relevant far know, for him having the courage to go out there. And I don't underestimate how difficult that must be it must be to have a bill with your family's name on it. Going through Parliament being spoken about. Like Mr. Hager, I was on the committee for the marriage equality process, but but not for this process. But what really struck me about the marriage equality processes was when you sat down and looked into the faces of the people submitting, you know, you realize that they were sitting in front of a bunch of strangers, being forced to talk about the most personal aspects of their lives, in order to see progress and human rights legislation. Not many of us who are just afforded these rights at birth, we don't earn them, there's nothing particularly special about us, when we hit your sexual, we just kind of get all these rights handed to us by by the fact that we're born straight. We've never had to do that we don't have to sit in front of a bunch of strangers and argue why we should be treated exactly the same as everyone else, why our family is just as valuable as everyone else's families. And when you go through a process of seeing, looking into the faces of the very real people affected by this legislation, you really appreciate the courage and the commitment. And so I imagined to do that when it's only your family must be even more difficult. But it is just as important, just as important. So I really want to acknowledge the family, who we are assisting tonight to address a great injustice. [00:38:33] And [00:38:35] when I mean I was also on the select committee that considered the civil union legislation, and the change in the tenor of the debate between civil unions and marriage equality was, was huge. And in a very positive way. The civil union debate was very, very bruising, very, very brutal, very, very vigorous of marriage equality wasn't a walk in the park either. But but by comparison, things had change significantly. And there was a lot more respect at the select committee, and the marriage equality process than we saw on the civil union process. But when we went through civil unions, you know, a lot of civil unions was about giving same sex couples, [00:39:13] the rights of [00:39:14] of hitched or same sex and de facto couples, the rights of married couples without going the four ways marriage. But the stories that we heard were, were just truly horrific, particularly in the case of deep or incapacitation of one family member, with the family member with it family member was [00:39:39] when we're [00:39:40] that family member, there was a biological parent or of the child involved. And we're there have been a falling out with the extended family, just the complete lack of power of the partner in that relationship to have any rights at all. So we had situations where we had, we had couples who had been together for days, kids and decay is just loving, supportive relationships. One of them ends up in hospital, the family didn't approve of the relationship, the family swoops and takes over goes against the wishes of the couple of the individual that that's in hospital, that's sick, and the partner had no rights, absolutely no rights at all, no rights and funeral arrangements, not even able to see the person that they've been in a loving committed relationship with for decades, purely because the state refused to even recognize in the slightest way that the relationship had any kind of legal standing. So a lot of that was addressed during the civil union debate. But the one crucial part that didn't get addressed by civil unions, and remains an issue today is adoption. And we acknowledged during that debate, that the status of [00:40:51] of [00:40:52] children within the Fed both both heterosexual defect down as a sorry, hitch six with several union NN, same sex. So we union couples remains a very great area under Laurin, one that does need to be resolved. Because at any time, we can wind up with a situation like this, where suddenly you realize that we have rights have been expected. And I expect that a lot of heat for sexual civil union, civil united couples believe they have those rights. But in fact, that is an area of law that remains that remains very gray, my colleague Sandra doing his a bill to try and address that it is an area that we do need to address because when you're talking about the relationship between parents and children, you're talking about something extremely personal. And it is something that this Parliament should prioritize. One of the things I think this this really does highlight is that your relationship with your parents doesn't end when you turn 18. So guardianship, which was offered by the care of children act, and a guardianship is a very different thing from being a parent, you can say that someone has legal responsibility for I want to die tonight name. But if anything, I think our relationship with our parents gets better. Beyond the age of vaping, it stops being a kind of you do this do that, you know, mother child, kind of relationship, Father, child, and it becomes a friendship and becomes a very, very fulfilling relationship. And so I entirely understand why it's incredibly important to have that relationship with your parents or relationship that only gets better the older you get legally recognized under the law. And why it's not enough to say, well, they're all adults, and you should just get on with it. No, this is that I will be just gathered at the legal relationship I had with my parents was in any way compromised by inaction of the state. And the final two points I just want to make, Mr. Speaker, I think I would hope this bill would have the support of everyone in the house because I think given the amount of time we spend in here, and how many times we spend as MPs, the community dealing with the horrific fallout from parents who don't want to be involved in the kids lives, the amount of time we talked spin talking about parents who don't fulfill their legal responsibilities, who don't behave in a way that's that's conducive to a healthy relationship. And a healthy child, it would seem to me to be utterly hypocritical, and repugnant, to not support a parent who says I want to legally be there for my child, for this parliament to actually stand in the way and say, well, we're not going to allow that. I think we have parents who want to be involved in their parents and their children's lives, who want to take that legal responsibility and who want the state to recognize that we should be doing everything to get the state out of the way and say, absolutely, we wish they were more of you. And we wish that every family had the strength and the love and the commitment that this family has for each other. Obviously, to go through this process, our country would be a much better place, at least violent place, a much healthier place. If the kind of commitment and morals and family values that we're seeing in this particular family were reflected right across [00:44:07] our society. Finally, I just want to end on saying [00:44:12] to make the point that this bill does highlight a very real fact that until we get full equality under the law for same sex couples, they will always be loopholes. They will always be families that fall through [00:44:23] the cracks. And they will always be said cases [00:44:25] like this. [00:44:26] We're through no intended Melis. The Lord does something very, very cruel, and does something very, very destructive in the family's life. And that's why full equality for same sex couples must be the goal of this parliament. If we truly want to see every family supported, every family recognized to support loving good families, then that will only happen when we get full equality for same sex couples. Thank you. [00:44:57] I call the honorable member, Dr. Paul Hutchison. [00:45:02] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker for the opportunity and privilege to speak armor Sullivan birth certificate bill, which I understand has been will will be amended by the select committee to the Sullivan birth, registration build, and my life from the outset, just acknowledge Romans Havilland and here enormous determination and commitment to ensure that this almost impossible task has actually become a reality or is becoming a reality. It was a great pleasure for me tonight to meet adopted mum Doreen shields, I had not met him before. And it was clear, I just happened to be in the parliamentary cafeteria. And it was clear from the outset what I warm and lovely person she is and how [00:46:13] wonderful it is for him to have [00:46:18] an adoptive mom of [00:46:22] lovely character. And, of course, I want to acknowledge her biological mother and the sponsor of this bill the Whizzer was because there is no doubt that, as I think Kevin Hague pointed out, he is someone that has bought two really important human rights issues to the parliament in a very short space of time. And it's a great contribution. It might acknowledge the select committee that don't want the bill, because listening to them, they all have been deeply moved by this situation. And it's been hugely interesting and moving to hear their contributions. I guess in many respects, the bill is driven by a young women's desire, in fact, overwhelming desire to have others biological name appear on her birth certificate, something that most of us, all of us were just absolutely take for granted. And I guess, I think I I heard and the first reading of the bill, that own words were I want my mom's name on my birth certificate to honor here. And indeed, that's a sin that any child would want for their parents. I do recall in the first reading of Mr. Bill, remarkable coincidence, in hearing a documentary about a young Indian man, who was about the same age at 19, or 20. And he had been born in provincial India in a very poor circumstances and then gone down with his brother to the local railway station, to sell beads or something similar together, rice, to pay for rice to feed the family. And somehow he had been separated from his brother, in a penalty hopped on the train, which took him 3000 miles away. And eventually he wound up in South Australia, adopted by again, some very loving people, but he had recurring recurring nightmares. He wanted to see his birth parents, he happened to be a very bright individual. He was talented in mathematics, and in, in in the new technologies, and particularly GPS, so over three years, he used to wait wait up to two or 3am in the morning, figuring out the possibilities of where his parents biological parents came from an India. And to cut the long story short, after three years, he reckon he had cracked it, he went back to India, and methodically went to the most likely places to where he had been born. And eventually, he found his parents, which bought absolutely profound joy base to himself, his family enters adopted family, but the point of making this this analogy is the drive that all individuals have to know about their parents, and to have that transparency and ability to find them and not put hurdles in their way. So the bills, papers undoubtedly, would require the registered General of births, deaths and marriages to record the details of runs Sullivan's deceased. Other His name is Dan Sullivan. on here post adopter of this registration entry. And, Mr. Speaker, I noticed that the government Administration Committee organized a variety of amendments for this bill, which were the one I had mentioned earlier was title correctly is changed to the relevant birth registration bill, because it could have been misleading, as its passage would not directly affect change to Rowan Sullivan's birth certificate. [00:51:17] A couple of other amendments including the Committee recommends the insertion of news calls for which would make it clear that Diane Sullivan and Doreen Margaret shields are for all purposes that parents have Robyn Sullivan. Mr. Speaker, I think it is worthwhile to just make mention of the enormous transition that we have been through over the last few decades in this area of both human rights and in the area of, of assisted human reproduction. And the huge the banks that have now led us [00:52:04] to [00:52:06] believe what faith he is ago, was regarded as impossible to now be normalized. And I was at the 50th anniversary of the National Women's Hospital. Founding last Friday, and a fellow by the name of Dr. Freddie Graham, famous for introducing IVF into New Zealand went through the changes in birth technology and New Zealand over the last 20 and 30 years and explain how Professor Dennis Bono used to secretly organize sperm donation in the 1960s. And the reason for that was the hospital board wouldn't let it happen. And he had his own private practice. And they literally used to mix up the spam, so they couldn't identify the who the parents were because of the legal ramifications that might occur in terms of claiming the through through the legal process. However, a young social worker by the name of joy Ellis persuaded the academic department that it was wrong, not to be transparent. And over a period of time, I was joined here, including Professor Ken Daniels. And today in New Zealand, we are leading the world and having one of the most transparent systems and assuring that children can identify their biological parents. So I think it's very good time that this bill is reached the parliament in New Zealand, and we are making it possible for someone such as Rome, who was so clearly driven, to do what is right, and to have the appropriate framework and New Zealand to an able here to do say. So Mr. Speaker, I acknowledge always that have bought this about and invade, celebrate the fact that I've been able to speak then the second reason [00:54:30] I call the honorable member, Dennis a rock. [00:54:34] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, New Zealand faced originally had reservations about this bill, we were wary about a bill for the benefit of one individual, rather than for the community as a whole. But since then, we have looked at the bill in much more detail. And I've had the benefit of discussions with Louisa wall who was very persuasive, but also they were very productive and worthwhile discussions. And I think for them, we are now satisfied that the bill is necessary, that it is indeed the only solution to ensuring that the birth certificate concerned well properly, and realistically show the names of Reverend Sullivan's light birth mother, as well as her adoptive mother. And that, of course, is a very natural thing for anybody to want. Everybody can relate to that. Indeed, it's extraordinary that that would be possible not to record the birth mother on a birth certificate, not much of a birth certificate when you think about it, if that was the case. So this is a unique solution to a unique set of circumstances. And we now and New Zealand first recognize it as such, the desired solution was would not be achievable without legislation. And I observed that if Rowan had been born today, her parents could marry and both of them would be recorded on her birth certificate, which cannot occur, of course, because dying died in 2010. However, their consideration alone justifies this bill. I think we're in New Zealand First also approve the change of name of the bill to the Sullivan birth registration bill. Because in fact, that's what this is really about. And we also approve the news clause for which will provide that Diane Sullivan and boring Margaret shields for all purposes, appearance of Robin Sullivan. And the proposed clause reinstates the legal position for all purposes, including, of course, the law of succession in parental relationship. And that's really a very important consideration. I'm very glad to see that the government Administration Committee has made that commitment. Very well worthwhile. For those reasons, Mr. Speaker, New Zealand First will now be pleased to vote in favor of the bill. And like other speakers, I congratulate all concerned and bring it to the house. [00:57:32] I recognize your remember, Melissa Lee, and young hustle [00:57:37] and young here, Mr. Speaker. On that note, I'd like to start by wishing everyone a Happy New Year, considering the Lunar New Year just actually happened. And we have all been around many parts of the country different parts of the country, celebrating the lunar new year, the year of the horse. Let me greet you in my mother tongue. Say, Hey, whoa, Mani pedis. Hell, it translates to May your new year bring you lots and lots of luck. And according to I just thought I'll start and actually have a look at the year of the horse. The wood horse, according to the Chinese horoscope is a time of fast victories. Unexpected adventure, and surprising romance. So if there are any single people in this house, I wish you good romance this year. And it according to the Korean astrological chart, this is the year of the blue horse may be significant in this election year. Let me start by acknowledging all of the speakers who has who have spoken on this bill. It is of course my pleasure to rise in support of the Sullivan birth certificate bill. And I remember speaking on the first reading and actually mentioning my little cultural experience, where in certain countries where people are born in a particular town or at a time and because they're worried that the children might not actually survive a certain period of time, they don't actually register the children. And they actually register them later. And often they end up with the wrong birth date. This is quite different. I was thinking how do I actually, I haven't actually been to the select committee. I wasn't part of the select committee, but I commend the members who have actually worked on this bill. And hearing them speaking so passionately about this bill, I actually commend the work that you have done, because I think it's incredible to hear everyone talking about and acknowledging Rowan Sullivan and her parents because they've obviously done a fantastic job in raising an amazing young woman who wants to honor her mother. And as a parent of a teenager child, I would only hope that one day when he grows up that he might want to honor me. I hope he's actually listening to the debate today. I was looking at the issue of identity. how a person conceives their identity, and how do they express their identity. Often their identity comes from their parents. They are the very first people who imprint the personality on their children. They identify with their parents, and their own identity is formed as a result of the education that they receive from the parents as the first educators. And I also want to talk about things like national identity, because it is where you come from. It's the cultural identity. It's like I'm a Korean last night. I mean, yesterday we had the speaker from the Korean Parliament visit New Zealand's parliament, I was so very proud to I've actually met him here and actually had lunch with him as the chair of the Korean New Zealand parliamentary friendship group, because that is my cultural identity. That's where my first impressions of my own personality and identity was born. From being born in Korea, through my parents, I am who I am today because of all of the influences that I've actually had. And I think rowland's had a fantastic [01:01:26] parents, both Diane and Doreen shields Diane Sullivan and Doreen shields, and she wants to honor her mother. And as previous speakers have actually said, this bill requires the registrar General of births and marriages to record detail of Roland Sullivan's disease mother on her post adoptive birth registration entry. And I was thinking how would it feel to not have my parents name on my own birth certificate? I mean, I wouldn't even know how to feel about that because we all take it for granted. And I Mr. Hayes talked about having children in his relationship and how in the past, you know, couples who are have same sex when they adopt it was only the one person who could actually adopt rather than both parents who can actually adopt. And so when you look at it that way, and translating it into my own circumstances, and in my own life, you would sort of thing how would I feel if I did not have my parents both my parents name on the birth certificate and that would really upset me very much because I am who I am. As a result of both my parents, my father and my mother and for Rowan. It is both Diane and Doreen who have made her who she is. Mr. Speaker, Rowan's parents from birth, were Diane Sullivan and have a birth mother. And Diane Sullivan's adoring, Shiels, and dying Solomon's name was on her birth certificate. But Dion died in 2010 when Rowan was just 17. And that's only two years older than my son who is now 15. And knowing my son and how young he is at 15. I mean, how devastating would it have been for Robin to have lost her mother, and to find out subsequently, that when, when Doreen applied for an adoption order, following the death of Diane Sullivan, the order required Diane's name to be then removed from Rowan's birth certificate, and for them to consider that and how would they have actually felt no one in this, in this house could possibly understand what that might have felt like only Rowan knows, only her, her mother, her, her adoptive mother knows what that was like that would have been terrible, devastating, heart wrenching experience because you would want to remember your mother had died and during being able to marry as previous speakers have actually said they would of course have been able to jointly apply for the, for the, for the names to be appearing on the birth certificate. And for someone who have actually gone through the process with some friends who have actually had help with human reproductive assisted reproduction, where couple who could not actually have for have children for more than 15 years when and actually had some assistance. In my culture, even adoption, is actually frowned upon. And I remember my friend going through the whole pregnancy of, you know, of our surrogate, this actually happened outside of New Zealand, but her surrogate, the mother was going through the pregnancy and then the adoptive mother, the mother actually pretended she was pregnant, right throughout the whole pregnancy. I remember having to stop her tummy with things to make her look like she was pregnant because she didn't want the stigma attached to her daughter, when she finally came home as her daughter. So in that culture, so that heart wrenching experience that she went through was something that made me sort of understand the kind of agony that Robin and Doreen [01:05:30] would have actually gone gone through sir. [01:05:34] Following the marriage amendment act of 2013. same sex couples are now able to marry and can apply to jointly adopt children. And so what this bill is actually doing is making a matter of fact, the fact that Diane Sullivan and Doreen shields are in fact both Rowan's parents, just a metro flaw, just the record, and make it perfect, then From now on, that when Robin applies for future birth certificate, both her parents will be on that piece of paper. And for me, that piece piece of paper is very significant, because that is one way Robin identifies herself. It's a certificate, basically confirming what she has known all her life, that it was in fact, both [01:06:27] her parents, [01:06:28] not just one, not the other two, both of them were in fact, her parents who brought her up so well to be proud of who she is and honoring her mother who has very sadly passed away. I wish you best of luck. And I'd like to congratulate my colleague and friend Louisa wall for bringing this bill to the house and managing this late committee process that all your colleagues would support you in this bill, sir, is a great bill. I commend it to the house. [01:07:03] By Cooley, honorable member [01:07:05] Pato Williams, Kieran [01:07:07] Kieran and Mr. Speaker, Khurana Koto, Koto, unadulterated auto moto Tito, it's a privilege to be able to speak on the second reading of this bill. And I want to, I want to acknowledge the courage of Doreen shields and Rowan Sullivan. And the determination to ensure that this bill becomes law, I can assure you of my total support, and your achievement to the sea. And this bill is essentially about love, love and commitment of two women for each other love for the four of these women for their child, and love of their child for both of her parents. This both speaks to the diverse and modern way our families are structured. And the way we should be able to acknowledge those who are the most important only alive, namely our parents and our children. We are a modern society that has in recent years made provision for the diversity of our relationships. And here I must commend my colleague Lewis the war on ensuring the equality of rights for all on the subject of marriage and for bringing this bill to the house. So it is a natural progression to look at the needs of families and the children and these families and the modern New Zealand context to ensure that they are catered for and their rights as well as the needs and meet Anya permitted equality as well. Mr. Speaker, I want to point out to you that I am to an adoptee this bill resonates on so many levels for adoptees and for adoptive parents, more than I think even Rowan or enduring know and this is my own personal view of how important those pillars when you are an adopted child, the state dictates who your parents are. When you are a prospective adoptive parents, you become involved in a formal process that takes many months, often years to determine your suitability and fitness for for becoming a parent and to ensure there are no objections from other parties for forthcoming. That is what I believe is still the process for adoption. The state then permits you to be named disappearance on a birth certificate, or more specifically, the mother or father of a child. So the Registrar of birth states the marriages previously recorded mother and father of child, not parent. This is a piece of legislation legislation, the current piece of legislation of the bill before us, that does not translate well in this modern context. The requirements meet the needs of a time but this is no longer the time strongly suggest it's time to put it right. We've seen this house pass legislation to afford equal rights to the state of marriage to same sex sex couples. And I'm really proud that we have it we deny them the dignity and responsibility of shared parentage. This is the predicament we find here. When you born into a family, not adopted on into a family in the traditional sense. You don't need the state to tell you who you are, who you are, or who your parents are. You just are in adjust as I understand the need for legal process to determine your status and legal terms and your rights for example to property or to a state that you are beneficiary of. But in modern New Zealand, we have huge made huge strides in terms of acknowledging equality and married marriage, we now need to develop the quality and Parenthood. I speak as an adult hos 90 year old booth father sees on the gallery just a few weeks ago to watch his youngest child deliver a maiden address to this house. And it's been 52 years since my adoption, and I'm extremely grateful for the gift that was given to my adoptive parents is the love and care has made me the person I am today. And I wanted to just a comment on my colleague Miranda making making the point that as you grow older, your circumstances change and your view of life and family relationships change. how powerful that would be that I could now acknowledge my birth father, or my certificate is acknowledgement of the gift that he made to my parents. [01:11:43] It's no longer [01:11:45] adoption. But it's not so long ago that adoption and the circumstances and reasons behind adoption were too shameful to share. And they were many adopted children unable to trace both families because it was not properly the time to record those details, and the process of recording and registration of adopted children. And those days remove the record of birth parents. This is not the case with Roland Sullivan. However, there is a bigger implication here. I want to point out to many that the booth of the booth to same sex couples and the subsequent adoptions sometimes happen with the help of sperm and egg donors, surrogates and it should be possible for those who contribute to the care and the love and the parentage and the parenting be given the privilege of appearing on the certificate. Here I would like to note that I support the amendment of the title of this bill to the Sullivan booth registration bill. Mr. Speaker, this bill supports a young woman whose real life experience as of being parented by two women, two women who have loved to kill for her and raise the wonderful young woman. I would like the south to now support the love and commitment I took by Doreen shields and Diane Sullivan to raise this young woman by providing them the opportunity to both be recognized equally as appearance of Rowan Sullivan. I come in this filter the house Thank you Mr. Speaker. [01:13:22] I call the honorable member Jamie Lee Ross [01:13:26] dinner for beginners fingers to advise you at standing on 1182 I'll be listening this call with my colleague from Coromandel Scott some some JP, could I have a ballot for minutes, please? [01:13:39] Thank you very much for that for informing the house. Thank you, my colleague and colleagues. [01:13:44] Mr. Speaker, as I'm sitting here listening to the speeches from the house, I was sitting there wondering with Doreen and Rowan would be watching this debate tonight. And I assume they probably are. I was also wondering to myself, whether it would be a moment that they're proud of or whether it's a moment that be quite relieved by because I don't think most to speak your we're talking tonight really about guardianship status, which I don't think we're talking about an adoption order either. I think what we're really talking about as a family, and I picked up on some words and the speech from Porter Williams, it's about love and care. And it's about family. And I think this is what really the bill is all about. It's about recognizing a family situation that has existed, regardless of what rules site, regardless of what pieces of paper say. It's about a family. And it's about recognizing formerly the situation, which exists. And I want to congratulate Lewis all for bringing this bill to the house of the peers based on the speech for Mr. Rock that she's achieved unanimously, and this house wouldn't have been great if she could have achieved that here at the bill. That would have been a proud day for New Zealand but but not to be. But this bill, she's equally done well on so Mr. Speaker, congratulations to Lewis the wall. I noticed also that Paul Williams, if I can draw your speech, again, mentioned that she was adopted, I wasn't adopted myself. But I'm also someone in this house who wasn't raised in your stock standard nuclear family of your mother, father, siblings, I was raised effectively by my grandmother and and we never went through the formal route of recognizing that and law. But certainly growing up, I always knew that my grandmother played the role of Mother Father and everything else. And I think if we think back to it, probably formalizing that situation would have been an ideal thing to have done that superstar requirements for us now. But I can understand completely, why Rowan would want to see the situation formalized for itself. And although the the the details around the bill have been discussed, in quite a bit of detail tonight already, I don't want to go over them. Again, I just want to say it's a very good thing that this house is doing for that family. And it is about the family. It's not about the pieces of paper. It's about recognizing the family. Mr. Speaker, I was interested a little bit about the mechanisms of private bills, because as some of the have only been here three years in this house, Mr. Speaker, haven't actually seen many private bills come to the debating chamber. And so it's quite interested in the history of it. And whether or not this was the appropriate mechanism. to the US. I found it interesting. I pulled out McGee and and had a bit of a read about private bills. And there's a bit of interesting information here. If you want to find out the origins of private bills, it really goes back to the time when Parliament really passed legislation. Nowadays, Parliament passes legislation on a very frequent basis. But back in the day when Parliament very really passed legislation for individuals to seek relief for a particular matter, they had to ask the parliament to pass a piece of private legislation. Ironically, according to McGee, if one wanted to seek a divorce prior to 1867, one had to get a private pastes a private bill passed through the parliament to get a divorce, Parliament would be exceptionally busy these days. If that was still the case, fortunately, and there's not, but certainly reading about the history of private bills. Mr. Speaker, I can see that this is very much a situation where a private bill as appropriate, I just want to say as I come to the conclusion of the few remarks that I have to make on this bill, I just want to say congratulations again to Lewis of all to the select committee as well, because they've made some good amendments to this piece of legislation. And I just want to say again, congratulations to Rowan and Dorian, because I can imagine that it would be easy to front up to the New Zealand House of Representatives to go through what I imagined would have been a lengthy process to become a promoter of the bill to get it all going. So congratulations to them. And everyone who is voting in favor of this even New Zealand foods. Congratulations. [01:18:21] I call the honorable member, Scott Simpson. [01:18:24] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a pleasure indeed, to stand in support of this bill, which as my colleague Emily Ross has just mentioned, looks like it will have unanimity across the house. And that in itself is a real and wonderful thing. So the speeches tonight I think have been generous, meaningful. And from the heart, I've been incredibly impressed with the personal stories of individual members, but also actually impressed with this story about which this bill has been brought to the house by a sponsor a little a wall. And I want to congratulate the member Lewis award for bringing you another piece of legislation to the house as a as a beach MP, myself of very short duration of this house, I'm in awe of her ability to bring this sort of stuff to the house in a way that is I think unifying and useful to us as a parliament, and to us as a democracy in New Zealand. So, following the marriage definition, amendment of last year, same sex couples are of course able to marry. And therefore, they are now able to jointly apply to adopt children. And so head that being the case for Diane Sullivan and Doreen shields, and they had been able to legally married, then they would have been able to of course adopt Rowan. Now, if that had occurred, then this bill would not be required. So in a previous life, before coming to this parliament, I had the great question village and pleasure to be CEO of a children's charity called Make a wish. And so I was for about three years, a professional wish granted. And that let me tell you is a terrific thing to be able to do. And in my maiden speech to this house, I mentioned that one of the challenges I saw for myself in this house was to be able to in some way, bring the job skills and transfer of knowledge from my role as a professional which grantor into this chamber. And so tonight, I have a small sense of having achieved a little bit of that by being a participant in this debate. And indeed having been a member of this house as we passed the second reading of this bill. So I mentioned also, when I was speaking in my maiden speech about being a professional wish grant of a Make a wish that one should never underestimate the power of some magic, the power of a wish, and the power of small things, small deeds, small actions, to have an enormous important impact upon the lives of individuals. And so tonight, I think we, as I say, having a small sense of it. So this is a private member's bill, I'm grateful to my colleague, the member Jamie Lee Ross for giving us a little bit of history about private member's bills, because indeed, the house would be sitting under extended urgency very frequently if the old rules still applied. Sir, I want to thank members of the select committee who have considered the bill cheered by the honorable Ruth Dyson I, of course, did not have an opportunity to sit on the bill. But I was particularly taken by speeches earlier on in the debate from members who did participate in the consideration of the bill after first reading. And I note with interest that they have made a number of models, but significant and important changes. The government Administration Committee has made a number of recommendations, and one of them was to change the title of the bill. And that seems entirely appropriate given the circumstances and the unique features of the situation that exists relating to Rowan's situation. So the title of the bill as introduced the Sullivan birth certificate bill was likely to be have have been interpreted as a little bit misleading. And, and so the suggested change is one that I support. And I think that the committee has yet again, showing its willingness and ability to get its head around difficult issues. Previously, they've had to consider issues of very major significance to a great number of people. On this occasion, they have been considered a difficult but problematic issue for just one family, and in particular, one individual and sir, living as we do and a small, precious, intimate democracy. It's a great pleasure to see Parliament working as it should to achieve this piece of legislation. And I commend it thoroughly to the house. [01:23:21] Carol Vermont [01:23:22] rises the last speaker on the Sullivan birth certificate bill and have listened very carefully. And it is a really unusual situation we are in with this private bill, which does benefit a single family in in is an unusual situation that we have had such positive contributions from everybody in the house, and it has the spill has the support of all parties, it's a very good thing. And this does feel like something we we are making a real significant difference to two people, one of whom is here tonight. I want to knowledge there was a wall in this process. And you know, I think most people come to Parliament because and it's a rather cliched term, but because they want to make a difference. And Melissa has had the opportunity and the drive to do two very powerful things quite different than the scale. But two very powerful things of recent times, both with the marriage equality bill and now with the Sullivan birth certificate bill. And I want to acknowledge you for doing it for making a difference and for being an active MP. And I want to also acknowledge Brian Sullivan enduring shields for driving this really for having the heartfelt desire to make this so because you've done it, you've done it and a lot of people would not have perhaps gone the distance in in felt so strongly in decided to really make this happen. And I think that's fantastic. And as my colleague across the house has just said, also the select committee, I've listened closely to contributions from people on that Select Committee, and I got a real sense that that committee worked very well on the spill, trying to work the way through it. And of course, it was very well cheered by my colleague, the Honorable Ruth Dyson. So others have gone through all of the detail really, but this bill will now allow Rowan to have both of his parents names recorded on his formal birth certificate. And I think that that as a great achievement [01:25:33] effectively when the guardianship, this was taken by by Doreen [01:25:44] actually expired when Ron turned 18 it struck me this this issue of effectively being or feeling legally orphaned, must have been a deeply unsettling and upsetting situation. So this isn't just a piece of paper. This is I proceeded to respect and honor [01:26:03] a mother who had [01:26:05] obviously love to daughter very much. So with those few words can I just finally again acknowledge the determination of run enduring in Can I say that as a family, you have achieved something really important and that is that is great to see here tonight. [01:26:30] The Krishna is the motion Big Read to Those of that opinion more say I country know the eyes have it. [01:26:38] Sullivan birth certificate bills second rate and [01:26:41] the spiller sit down for Committee stage next sitting de como on members order of the day. 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