Schools Out broadcast
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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride nz.com [00:00:04] Kira Koto, my name is Hannah, whoa, I facilitate a group called School's out. And so we have some people from schools out here today to talk a little bit about HIV and homophobia and being young and gay or young, queer, and today's world. [00:00:21] Hi, I'm Mike, [00:00:23] and I'm dead. I'm Craig and I'm also go from potato. [00:00:28] Yeah, I'm Tyler. And I'm also gay. [00:00:31] Right? Do you might do you want to talk a little bit about how you identify and you know, what, what was it like growing up at school and being young and [00:00:41] well, it was always sort of okay with me at school because it was just like a generally accepted fact. No one really worried about it or anything. I was just sort of there. [00:00:53] Right? [00:00:54] I wasn't out at school. Gotcha. No boys schools felt it was good, difficult psychiatrist myself. made it very difficult. Very hard. Few years. I left that. Once I came out of med lies. Yeah. [00:01:09] Yeah. When I combat at school, I was pretty much Queen of the world. You say? Yeah, I don't have any negative. anything from anyone. It's been the best few years? [00:01:21] And how did how did all of your parents are you out to your parents and at home and your family's had? [00:01:28] I'm out to my parents and my sister and stuff. I haven't quite got around to telling the rest of the family mainly because I haven't actually seen them recently. But the important ones? [00:01:40] I did come out to my family about two years ago. My father's side. I didn't come out to them, because I know how they react and won't be very nice. But on my mother's side, yeah, no, they're fine with that. [00:01:58] Yeah, I came out two years ago. So Jesus, the head of Craig, and yeah, my family. Absolutely fine. I mean, my mom was a fat cat from way back went to the opening of pound and yeah, I mean, everything was fine. I mean, no negative anything. Like, let's go I've pretty much perfect one for [00:02:20] me, it's good to hear. Yeah, I came out about, yeah, about 12 years ago, actually. And yeah, my parents don't okay. But it's taken them quite a few years to kind of come to terms with that. They're the Christians. So they, they think that they have a special point of view about that. But yeah, they've kind of learned to accept, accept me for who I am and that kind of thing. So that's been quite good. How How do you when you go to school, how you finding kind of slurs and that kind of thing? You know, comments about you know, that that's so gay, that kind of thing. How do you what happened in school? And how do you [00:03:01] deal with it? Well, we do get that quite often. Yeah, but just that so data thing, I get their heads. And when I'm around, I get all my pretend to get all offended and go to say that, like, it's a bad thing. And then they get, they get really sorry. And they keep apologizing. And then I just laugh at them because I made a video of themselves. [00:03:18] It's been a few years since I've actually been to school. [00:03:24] But [00:03:28] just for example, you know, walking through the mall and podcaster come out, every second person turns around, or sneakers and calls Your a fag or puffy, just 10 minutes smaller. But [00:03:41] what else can you that? [00:03:45] flows and stuff. I mean, yeah, it's cool. I've had absolutely nothing. I mean, no one really says that's okay. And well listen, because it's so hot. Everyone in the hot seats that so again, whenever I go to the hot, and you know, no, nothing. Actually, I've never had anything. I mean, I've had the old. Very good, but it was kind of funny. [00:04:10] So, you live you live at the coast, don't you? [00:04:13] Yeah, I go to college. And I'm where we've started up like a gay support group thing there. And we've got a couple of members coming along. And that's good, because most of the teachers or Well, all of the ones that know about it, are really supportive about it. And they, you know, they come along every so often. And yeah, that's got quite a good following. [00:04:40] Yeah. And it will continue next year. And yeah, [00:04:42] that's Yeah. [00:04:45] And And what about the climate? Or what about how's the rest of the school? Do they know about the [00:04:50] school? No, they don't know about the script, where we're thinking of making it like, a queer stripes alive so that gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and straight people can come along and will be like, campaigning sounds a bit strange. But you know, we will probably be making posters and that sort of thing and maybe doing concerts or something? I don't know. [00:05:15] Yeah. Well, that sounds great. And Tyler, you were involved in School's out? for a while. Is that correct? Or? Um, yeah. [00:05:23] All through last year? Yeah. And yeah, it was really, really unstructured as opposed to this year, which has been since you've become us. Yeah. But no, School's out. That's pretty awesome. [00:05:38] choice. So we'll just wrap up the session. And the song that I throw play as co pepper, pepper is a rodeo by magnetic fields. And it's about these kind of to daycare was quite funny if you listen to the notes. Cool. So that was, that was pepper was radio by magnetic fields. Our handlers are quite funny and very sweet song. Anyway. So HIV AIDS save six stos as HIV, an issue for young people, is it? Is it a gay thing? Is it a queer thing? As an old people thing didn't happen in the 80s? And it doesn't affect us anymore? What do you reckon? [00:06:23] Well, I think that I mean, for young people today in schools, HIV is more of a joke than anything. I mean, they're not really exposed to it. There's a few people, I mean, they've got family members and whatnot. But other than that, not really is a big issue for young people. [00:06:38] I think, you know, being in Paris, myself, he was gonna be wary of it and do take those precautions, you know, promoting safe sex and right era. [00:06:49] Even though it's not much of an issue for us and people. [00:06:53] Just going to be careful. [00:06:55] Yeah. I'm not entirely sure if it's an issue for young people. It is spotlight not a major thing. We have to learn about it, and like health and stuff, and that's good. And we do learn that it's not just a gay thing as like, through mother and baby and through and centers, needles and that sort of thing. But [00:07:15] yeah, like Craig said, we do have to be careful. Yeah. [00:07:20] So do you think it's more of a general comes down to the general safe six, STI, that kind of thing, rather than being a big monster off by itself? [00:07:30] Oh, yeah. I mean, absolutely. I mean, I had a friend the other day, who I'm told that they had amputated and also from that was that they didn't really give a fuck about it. But I mean, I kind of had a little bit of a screaming at them, and told them target nice GRJ because I mean, an STI GX? Not very pretty. I mean, what few NL swabs never really heard one, but um, I HIV is should be treated as a journalist. Yeah, I think, well, it's a lot more serious. I mean, you can't dive crabs, can you? [00:08:01] So do young people pretty much like what do you reckon young people's attitudes are to save six? Is it more about pregnancy for straight people? Or do you generally just do save seats? Because it's just what you do? We've been taught in schools, we don't want to get used to it. So that's, that's just, yeah. Think, [00:08:21] you know, the young people, certainly a lot of them actually think that, you know, if I'm, you know, if I don't have AIDS or HIV, and he doesn't, or she doesn't, that we're fine, and we don't have to use prediction. But I believe that should always use protection, no matter what, no matter what. [00:08:40] Even if you enter a long term relationship with someone monogamous, definitely [00:08:45] know, when someone went to the duty or knew something that was quite interesting that I was reading up on some stats is that there's been I think it was 177. And fictions last year, and about in the 80s, most of those infections, HIV infections were young men have sex with men. And in the last kind of few years, or whatever, I can't remember the stats. Exactly. But there have been a lot more heterosexual infections. Yeah, and in the past, when you had your HIV AIDS epidemic epidemic, the a lot of the AIDS and HIV that was coming into New Zealand was from overseas. So people assume that it was, me know, six of men going overseas party party, you know, New Zealand's really small, you can't kind of sleep around, but overseas you can. And so people were just taking a few more risks. And so a lot of HIV infections were overseas. And now for the main have six of them in the States, and New Zealand, internal infections. And so there, you're from New Zealand around New Zealand, whereas the heterosexual population that are contracting HIV AIDS, external, so again, the day going overseas, and partying and bringing infection back. And so if you kind of look at that trend, and 10 years or 20 years, a lot of the heterosexual population will be internal and fictions, which here because the heterosexual population is larger than the homosexual queer population. That's quite a, you know, and it's kind of a quite a quite a big deal. Almost in a sense. Yeah. [00:10:34] Well, yeah. I mean, in New Zealand, it's always been the whole middle of six with me and other the biggest threat, HIV AIDS was, as opposed to you know, Tanzania, which is all, mostly heterosexual. But um, yeah, [00:10:48] another thing that's really changed, and I think in the 80s, if you were diagnosed with HIV, they gave me something like 10 years to live, you know, because the they weren't the Meads, whereas now near this seems to be more means that don't really know much about it. So you're even if you're diagnosed, you can kind of live for a really long time. And year, so someone was saying that the poll of HIV positive people has growing in a sense. Yeah. Which I don't know. Yeah. I wonder if people don't think that it's a hit your sexual things. So, you know, if other people think that's not a true sexual things, so they don't have to be as cautious or, you know, [00:11:30] yeah. Oh, and another thing is that a lot of young people they assume, you know, in the 80s, they were given, what, 10 years to live, and now they've got over me, it's like, the attitude that you get from some, some young gay people is, you know, I'm really good at one day, so, you know, what if it's like, [00:11:49] Yeah, what do you live NY, [00:11:54] it's kind of scary, [00:11:55] it is very scary. And it just makes you you know, think about all those people out there, NU little stirs up some metals, trust issues, again. [00:12:04] kaidi thing? Is it an attitude that you've come across with other young gaming, that it's, it's not so not such a big deal, if you get it, or it's inevitable, or just people, you know, still really practice so seek. So [00:12:19] I mean, people that I know that positive, HIV positive, you know, they're just, they're just living their life to the fullest just carrying on as an old person. Obviously, taking precautions as they have to and when they do go to actually have some fun that they do, let the other the other person know that they're positive. And, yeah, but I just think that young people these days need to be a bit more cautious about, you know, using protection, because there is a slight possibility that the other person could be completed. [00:12:56] Who will just wrap that one up? This Yeah, I thought I play a track by Mia offer first album, I think it might be. It's called Lolita. And it's a bit of a Sri Lankan take on the whole Lolita story, which is quite funny as well. [00:13:22] Cool. So that was Lolita by Mia? Quite a funny song, I think. Um, yes. So we are back again, and we talking a little bit about stigma around HIV, AIDS, and maybe just even around safe seats and sexual health, you know? So f1, when you get a new partner, you pick someone from the bar? Do you have conversations about your sexual history? and disclose? You know, would you disclose HIV? Would you disclose herpes, or that kind of thing? [00:13:58] Well, if you're talking about, and you do have something like HIV, or AIDS or something, and you, you want to like date them, or whatever, or getting serious, then you should definitely tell them that you have it. Because if you don't, it's unfair on them. And, you know, they run a risk of getting it type thing. And it's just [00:14:20] would you be worried about the reaction? [00:14:23] Well, of course, you would, you know, yeah. It's just what you have to do. You know, there's it. I mean, they can freak out, but a lot of them could just sort of go, okay, you know, and accept FUU. Safety. [00:14:36] Yeah. And so that's something that you'd expect someone to tell you as well. [00:14:41] Oh, yeah. [00:14:43] Oh, yeah, I know that I would tell people if I was positive in a bar or whatnot, I mean, in a situation like that, I would definitely tell them if I was positive, and I do expect everyone else, [00:14:52] you know, just with HIV or with other things. [00:14:56] Depends how serious so embarrassing, it is me? Yeah. It's more like, you know, I just got over a case of serious crap. You know, I don't know I don't, but when it comes to, you know, stuff like HIV, it's, it's really serious. And I do expect people to tell me, what no one else if they are positive and get expectation, which was big thing, you know? [00:15:19] And has It has been two years someone disclosed? And? Or how do you think you'd react of, you know, a nice, cute boy in a barn getting serious or take them home? You take them you that kind of thing? And you do you think that would change your perception of them? Or [00:15:35] I personally, I would be a lot more cautious? I mean, [00:15:39] yeah, I mean, I only personally know a lot of older people with HIV AIDS that I know are positive. But um, I haven't actually had a young person come up to me as having being positive in it, I guess, would be very scary for me. I mean, but I'll get over and just like, you know, you get over other stuff. [00:15:59] Yeah. I mean, I would hope that if someone was positive, if things were going to carry on, later that night, that, you know, they would come across and tell me, but I think people these days that may be infected, and, or open and honest about it. A lot of people are just up to six. And if they were infected, I don't think they would actually tell him personally, I would be very open honest, because I don't want a lot of down the track to them, for them to find out from somebody else, and then have a stab at me for it. [00:16:35] And how do you think your families would react to your friends would react if you found out that you were HIV positive? [00:16:43] I think coming out as a positive person would just be coming up as a gay person. Personally, from what I've heard, I mean, there was one case, I mean, I heard this lady was talking about how she had to, [00:16:55] she was working with counseling with a guy and he [00:16:59] committed suicide cuz he had HIV. So she had to go home, or go to his parents house and say, one, you know, your son's game. Secondly, he was HIV, HIV positive. And thirdly, he's killed himself. And that's not something like that. I mean, would definitely scare your parents. But I mean, coming out, I mean, my mom, I guess, would be distraught. But I couldn't imagine anything else. Really. I mean, it's a serious thing. [00:17:31] Well, I FF you got HIV, that would sort of their concern for you would be more than any stigma they like, with your parents, they're going to be so worried about it, that they're not really gonna not kiss not the word. You know, they're not kind of worried about how you got or anything, they just gonna be concerned that you've got it and edited as deadly. And, you know, they want sort of the Sonia or anything for it. [00:17:57] What's quite interesting about the states have been looking at as the the year a lot of the infections, older men, actually, and some was saying, that might be something to do with, you know, if you're in the 40s, and taking meds gives you another 40 years, that's kind of when you clock it anyway. So, you know, maybe I wonder, yeah, I wonder if that makes people care, but less or whatnot, because you're like, Oh, well, I'm dying anyway. [00:18:29] And the depends, we need to get affected. I mean, if you've been affected by somebody who said that to me for a long time, and they've been taking the medication, then, so far, all the medication that they've taken will pretty much have a chance of not working or, I mean, the chances of you not surviving would be a lot slimmer than if you got infected by somebody who just had HIV. AIDS. But um, yeah, I mean, like you said, though, and the older population, it's more popular, mostly, I guess, because of internet dating and soreness and whatnot. I mean, I don't really see huge amounts of young people meeting up online. I mean, they do but I mean, not as severe, I think. [00:19:07] So you guys, some of you guys know, people who live with HIV. What are these stories? Like? How did they face heaps of discrimination or prejudice within within the gay community? Or the queer community? Or? [00:19:24] I'm personally, I mean, all my friends do joke about HIV AIDS. And I mean, that they don't do it around people with who they know, are positive. But I mean, really, I mean, that they do know, it's a serious issue. And they do know that, that are going to intend to hurt anyone, you know, also, but I mean, they're always very cautious about what they're teasing, but it's just really, they try and treat treat, treat it treat it as a drug. Yeah, you know, let's do a defense mechanism. Maybe [00:19:54] I was working a few times about two years. And during those two years, I had two cases come through the HIV positive. And I can't go too much into data data about the cases. But one particular gentleman who was heterosexual was not, you know, not having management, six. He was diagnosed with AIDS about 16 years previously. And after saying what happened to him, you know, seeing a photo of him, you know, five years earlier, and seeing him how he was once he passed away, just bought a home to me, you know, really made me think you know, that you have to be safe, and you have to use protection. And that wasn't nice, what I saw, and I just hope that people are going to be safe. And of course, [00:20:40] yes, I guess, um, yeah, there's, there's a couple of guys I know, who are HIV positive. And, yeah, they're saying that the stigma that they get within the queer community within the gay community is really, really hard to deal with. Because you kind of, I guess, as a gay man or a queer person, you use prejudice and bigotry from the general population. But then it's kind of like when your own gives you a shirt for these things are really hard to deal with. It cuts a little bit more. So I guess you there's, yeah, I think there's still quite a bit of stigma and prejudice and ignorance around HIV AIDS. And, yeah, definitely something to kind of keep on it and keep educating ourselves about within gay community or queer community. Yeah, well, we'll wrap this one up. And this is a song. It's called. It's called soft by Kings of Leon. And it's about this guy, and he really likes this girl. Any good. I think he gets really stoned or drunk and turns up at a party any stone and drank the he passes out in a garden. Because he can't [00:21:52] go and spy on him, but he is. [00:22:02] Oh, so that's us from schools out. Thank you for listening. [00:22:08] Yeah, fantastic. Just remember guys and exciting, having fun, use a condom and just be conscious about things. Things.
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