Priscilla Penniket profile

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This is Priscilla. And Priscilla does lots of stuff, some of which is working at rainbow youth, some education coordinator or MBA. That means I go and talk to students in high schools. Did you know about 15? Or 16? Talk to them about sexual orientation, gender, identity, homophobia, coming out all those kinds of topics? And how do they How do they type it? Generally, really, really well, all of them take it really, really well. Sometimes there's some homophobic students in the class, but they generally just trying to be defensive. You know, maybe the gay or whatever. But yeah, they take it pretty well, today and class, the seem to know a whole lot of stuff. And one of the volunteers asked them, How many of them know I gave who isn't really well, there's something about half of them raise their hands. So that was really cool. And it kind of made me think about the content of the workshops. And with a I don't know, like a nice one cooperate some more stuff around. People knowing more gay people these days now. So yeah, they take it really well. Yeah. So would that be the specific schools in which you're going to as an the schools that let you win, I guess, with a more progressive or? Yeah, it's a kind of widespread thing we like, Well, actually, society is just becoming the sama phobic, and lots of young people do not have sickly people. Right. I guess a bit of both. I do think society is becoming less homophobic. Well, I mean, if we're talking really far back and time, then obviously, it wasn't homophobic, consensual, it was sort of different way. But yeah, like recent past, I think we were coming this homophobic, but as definitely as well, quite school specific, like he says, Thanks. Some schools, the students were not a whole lot more queer people, because it's not as homophobic and more people out, so they want to clear them. Whereas in schools where they think they don't, they would know them, but they just don't know the game, because Iran has an out. So to those schools approach you or do you approach the schools. When I first started working at me with a year ago, there were about six schools that it has a relationship with Ruby's for quite a few years around education. So they contacted me as soon as I got on the job, and that was all set up. And that was that went really well. But since I've been there, we've put together and you fly and send it out to every single school across Oakland. So about how many schools hundred and 50 I'm sorry, he's busy, get back into was getting really busy already. Yeah, but we're talking about, you know, like, everything around us, as always developing and in flux, you know, changing to the needs and things like that. So we're looking at changing the education program, as we always are. But you know, in the future can include things like more educators that renderer use, like a team like other organizations have. So a lot of stuff happening. Yes. How did you get into this role of you? Did you do qui work before or? Yeah, I, I kind of came out publicly when I went to university, and found the unique identity, like the Creator, or the so this is an Oakland or lesson tonight. And yeah, and just set a volunteer volunteering with him straight away. So I think they're, I can't remember it was like six years ago or something. Now, I'm, I'm pretty sure they already had groups going when I joined. But I started a woman's focused like a great woman's focus group. Once I became a member of PDQ, so I helped with that, like running the group and facilitating all that kind of stuff and would put on like, would help when they put on events. So would be like the, what's it called when you do like the inside stuff? Like when you hang that, like to hear it, but to hear it get stuck with the decay, right? Oh, yeah. Kind of like the interior design of the potties. Oh, let's go. Yes. Yeah. So I've been involved with the beans and organizing all that kind of shirt. And went to conferences and all that kind of stuff yet, so I wasn't as involved and a volunteer and capacity with the community. And so you said you came out publicly when you joined? There's a cool, unique engineering group down there. What will you before you were publicly out? Did you know that you can't even told anyone or see all my coming out story. I had a girlfriend at high school and we were together for about two and a half years while I was at high school, but we didn't come out to any of our friends. And this isn't donating as well. Now this is a total. So you grew up in total all over the show. So I was born in Sydney. And now apparently Leesburg seems very, very cool place. Yeah. So that's exciting. And then move to New Zealand as five grew up and not wanting to wait till I was 18 went to uni and donated for five years and then moved out to Oakland and I've been here for a year. So you had a quick synopsis? Yeah. Um, yeah, I had a girlfriend at high school. I think I was with the here for you know, like maybe even maybe like a year, like whether you're in love with it. But didn't think I was gay. Like a hidden really, like, come out to myself quiet, I guess. Definitely didn't come out to anyone else. Here's how my friends but I really want to talk about relationships. I you know, it's like, let's talk about it. So I kind of made up this thing about this boyfriend that I had never wanted to meet him. But I studied loved really far away. And just to that, like Java's hip hop, I could talk to my friends about it. But it was really weird. Like, the more I think about it now and the more I because I take volunteers into the education sessions to tell their coming out stories to the students. And the more I hear people's coming out stories and the things that people go through, because they all sound quite similar. Just put me in touch with the things that I went through and how can we they are like, just I don't think non queer people can get how we did as to do shit like that. Like making up a fake boyfriend sick and talk about the problems. You're here with your girlfriend like that so complex. And while she is school, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so she was the winner. We've been problems nada. Nah, because oh, not not she wasn't there. I talk about it. And like, now she doesn't. Yeah. And so when you came out publicly, or you send a need, and had you really told your parents and they know your family. So was my first girlfriend. My mom starts hooking up. And yeah, definitely accidentally. And like, like, I got busted. We got busted. Totally. And we weren't even on my property. We were on someone else's property. So my mom was shitty. It may well this is what I remember. of us. Maybe other painful other parties on the side. But yeah, we totally have acid and from what I remember, my mom was really shitty at me. But I think like, it was like, kind of unclear whether she was shitty that I was hooking out with her or with a I was hooking up with somebody on somebody else's property. And so it was unclear about what she was should do. But she was shitty. And she asked me if it was either. And I was freaked out because she O'Shea. So I said no. And then it was it was kind of like that. Wow. Cuz you know, then she could just stay all the time. She's just my friend. Kind of positive, I guess. Do brothers and sisters. Yeah, I've got one brother. He's thought about a big game. But yet he's everybody's totally safe with it. Now I think that be? Well, it says funny I was talking about this morning. I'm pretty sure they would be really, really shocked if I bought a guy one as my boyfriend. But then I was thinking what they like maybe if I bought a boyfriend home that they start like yay, financially straight. But I doubt that like, so do you talk about it at all? It's just one of those not talking about things I'm talking about and what capacity like, yeah, we didn't talk about it. Like it's nothing that I feel uncomfortable about. Like I see it. I'm pretty sure that'd be really surprised if I brought a guy on. So they just know that that's who I am. And there's definitely no weirdness around that at all. Definitely would bring home any partners. That's just totally normal. So it was your mom kind of sweet is about queer people getting these been people when you were growing up? Was there any messages that while we may grow when we we're and Australia, all like my brothers god mother, as like this transgendered person. And I think they hang out with like, yeah, the queer community. Hey, baby, before you were born, like, that was like the social circle, I think as my impression from what they told me, and my dad's made like a documentary called man and a woman and they met in the 80s. And it's screened in cinemas and stuff, so yeah, seems like this massive queer history. But my mom and dad split when I was five, so I grew up with my mom and my Steve did. And now they would, like I didn't have a community of friends then. But they didn't kind of say really homophobic things. And no, then that's good. Yeah, that's good. Then Sam, I heard things. I do remember that I watching the top trends on the TV? And I don't, yeah, cuz this is I was grossed out by them. Whereas obviously, now I just think they like fucking amazing. But I was really grossed out by them. And I think, you know, obviously, when you're young, you're like, a product of your environment or whatever. So surely, there must have been some kind of weird vibe towards maybe it's I'm attitude. Era High School was definitely not going to be gay. Definitely. I went to an all girls school. And there was supposedly this group of lesbians there that like, apparently they sit behind, like a block or some shit like that. This really session, just like four of them. And they like vampire lesbians and that sack each other's blogs and stuff like this. So that was an army kind of thing that was around at my school about. Okay, woman. So, you know, it wasn't something you want to associate with his vampire lesbians that are the real golf and, you know, like, it wasn't May. Yeah. And if someone, like, it was definitely the finger pointing thing of like, it was the like, you know, it's like people it's like, pretty sure, even straight years would be ski is that someone would point the finger at them and call them a nice man. It's like, everyone felt. I'm sure this isn't just a proceeding. But I'm pretty sure that's like, that'd be the worst thing to be called a lesbian and you kind of like live in fear that someone's gonna call you there and then other people might believe it and then you're gonna be the least being and then he runs he runs not gonna want to get change new you in the changing room and shit like that? Yes. Like coming out of high school is definitely not an option. No, but thinking about now like, I don't know. I mean, I, I was friends with everybody. It's not like, like, I think it would have maybe been fine. Maybe I don't know, my mom also went to the school. So I didn't. This is another thing that I hit in a volunteer history as well. This idea about not wanting to shame here. That's how this volunteer CD. And yeah, that resonates with me. So just quiet. visibility to not embarrass here. Yeah, let's go. Yeah. So was it kind of just freeing because you, I guess, when your university your mom wasn't there, but also use moving away from kind of for you to feel that you could come out there? Totally. And did you struggle with it in yourself? Or was just a few? The social situations change that can come out? Or did he feel happier about being queer or think was just a social situation that had changed? Because I mean, my first other queer woman, and Stephen form that was not my girlfriend. And we went and visited her and denied me my girlfriend, and she had all these girlfriends and I was just like, oh my god, these other these men's like, I just seriously thought they would not have these means in the whole world. I think, apart from the top twins, I don't know they'll always be in there that happened when like, I saw them on TV when I was, you know, like teen or whatever. And I was really confused in like, this second other thing was, I think I was the bully at school, like the homophobic bully. I had homophobia phobia. So maybe you guys trying to? Totally. I totally say that when I'm in class. Yeah, cuz I went up because I, one of the teams I describe and the workshops, there's homophobia phobia, which is their fear around encountering homophobia, yourself. So like acting out, and whatever way that is because you're scared that you're going to get bullied, and a homophobic way. So that's what I wasn't scared. Like, I was so scared of people gonna say that I was gay. And I was gay. And I didn't want anyone to know. So I would place other people's sexuality so then everyone would police mine. Yeah, I mean, it's fact is that part of the main thing, but I thought if I have had Oh, dear, yeah, things have changed for you, then. Yes, yes. very much, sir. So what's it like being Queen now? I guess your job plays a big part of it. But do you encounter homophobia today in these days now and that kind of thing? Are you quite chipper chippers a quick question? Well, yeah, I feel pretty chipper. But yeah, I don't say so. Both of them. I run and queer circles, I think I'm realizing more and more like, whenever I hang out was not queer people. I'm like, Whoa, this is different. Not as an I never interact with straight people. Not that at all. But just like, I take for granted the communities, amen. Korea, and one way or another, but pretty much quit. Um, so whenever I'm hanging up, and scenarios that aren't queer. I feel really weird. And I'll call it homophobia. Yeah. Um, I think that's homophobia because the weird feeling is coming from I don't feel like it's coming from myself. Because I have deconstructed my homophobia, pretty much I think. I think there's still a few things I probably need to deconstruct working on eyes. But majority, like my general view of being queer as pretty positive. So when I'm feeling abnormal, I know that it's not coming from me. So is it mostly feeling or people seen stuff or as a low core an assumption? That's like an ignorance, I think is what it is. Ignorance for me, because like, especially this is this is what has changed for me becoming an educator. I've become wireless Sunoco, which I think is really nice. Not that I was either, like really cynical of what about it, but has made us cynical as in blow changes possible kind of thing. Or, as you know, I'm trying to teach you about homophobia and the ways that it happens. And I realized, you know, because I really want to, I really care about my job, and I want to do it. Like, it's my passion. It's not just something I'm doing. I'm doing it because I feel like it's going to make some difference. And I want it to be really effective. And, you know, I'm not trying to like make homophobic people feel bad. I'm trying to let homophobic people know they're, what they're doing is hurting people. And out of that, have, for some reason come to this point, where I feel like, oh, homophobia doesn't really come from a place of people trying to remain, I feel like it's coming from a place where many places but all of them just ignorance, like either the person being main doesn't know any gay people. So they've got all these weird stereotypes that they perpetuating, and putting on to people, you know, and it's homophobia, but it's just because I don't know anybody there know any better. Or, like I was this key that they're going to get bullied. So they believe Paco was just also comes from fear. You know, just like all these things that can be really easily changed through compassion. I feel really funny, it sounds really funny. But I just feel like giving compassion as the way to make things change. So I try and do that. And the workshops. So what, obviously homophobia you'd like to change in society, I the other things that you can kind of see in society that you you'd like to change. Know you, personally, but in general, society to shift towards all right? Well, yeah, I think that's where I was heading with it, like, homophobia coming from ignorance. So an example of me feeling abnormal in places as if people don't know anything about being queer, or even, like being in vain in an environment where I'll say, okay, like, for example, I was at a party on the weekend, on Sunday or something, and talking us person about some interesting stuff. And then I see someone like, about a party with a woman. And then they're like, ah, ok, I really and I was like, Well, yeah, I think we're talking about comfortability levels or something. And I was like, Well, yeah, I didn't really feel pretty fucking comfortable. Because I think they were heaps of people via that I didn't feel comfortable around. And we started talking about that for some reason. And then I was like, hey, was like, Well, what do you generally need to feel comfortable or something? And I thought that was weird anyway, but then I was like, Well, probably if it's like a room of woman, I'm probably gonna feel pretty comfortable. And then he was like, Oh, really? And then I was like, Whoa, yeah. I mean, I guess it depends on the woman, but you're probably. And then he was like, Okay, what other scenarios? And then I was like, well, I feel really comfortable in Korea environments. And then he was like, queer. And then I was like, yeah, I'm queer. And then he was like, you're queer. As it like, he just did not understand why I was saying that I was Queer as and I was calling myself odd, or something like that. Like he just doesn't he didn't know it was a reclaim to know, he didn't know anything about it at all. And feel like a geese having more compassion, some years of my life, I have way less commission in other areas now. Like, I have been educated at work, and educate and my personal private life. And then it was like quitting. And I was like, sorry, man, I just can't explain this to you. I like I don't want to have to explain this to you right now. And then he was like, Okay. And so for me, that's an example of homophobia. And when people hear that, I think that there is homophobic behavior. They think I'm this fucking like staunch weirdo queer activists who just as pointing the homophobic finger at everybody who does anything that is anything slightly, whatever. But I feel like if people were to take on the idea that homophobia comes from ignorance, that it's not necessarily people trying to be main, but a lack of information is the same just like with racism, if you're going to say something, and it's really racist, but you haven't even thought and you weren't trying to be main, that doesn't mean what you did isn't racist. And I feel like it's the same with homophobia, like, Yeah, he doesn't know any better. And he's just trying to learn, but I don't want to fucking teach him like he should go man himself. And I found it offensive. And I think those are up for grabs. Mix, Krista? So do you see yourself working, I guess, in the community sector and doing kind of community work and education for a very, very long time? Was there a bunch of other stuff you'd like to do? And get a taste of other stuff I want to do. I think feminism is really important to me. I think at some point in my life would like to learn something similar to this, but and like the realm of feminism, like more focused on feminism in queer activism. Zero lot of crossover one. Yeah, yeah. I feel like there is that as well. Like, I mean, I often talk about six of them, sneakily liquid workshop, and also talk a lot about racism, like I try and get it all MBA, but there's only an hour and the focus is queer stuff. So the topics of things like coming out labels of homophobia, blah, blah, blah. So I feel like there could be a parallel workshop on sexism. So what would you say to people who say, Oh, we've we've done feminism? What happened in the 70s and 80s? rise? to larger question, like you said, it's still relevant. Or it's still important to you and what important for you, right? Oh, yeah, I guess that because of the stuff you're talking about. Yeah. Like gender stereotypes obviously, are a big thing within feminism and queer activism. Yeah, Somali will say sorry, intention. I gave slight. People feeling like they might need to be an inbox people, not nine heaps of options. People, like I think, an example of, of all that kind of stuff. A sign that there needs to be work. As when somebody finds a label and feels huge relief through a label. I think that's an example. That is an equality and that needs to be work. So did you find relief and finding feminism? Oh, my gosh, I found so much life. And when did you realize with my life, like more so then becoming queer? I think, I don't know. Ya know? Yeah, top my top five real life scenarios. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I've had a lot of real life scenario. So I'm really into relate until labels at the moment actually, what labels a low so how did when did you feminism will? How did it find you or I found were leaving about it? Well, I took when I was studying tonight, and I studied gender studies as one degree through a BA in psychology as a Bachelor of Science, and then did my honors ingenious study. So in terms of this job, it's also perfect, like, that's a bit of background that I have for that, as well as the volunteering. But I found feminism through gender studies yet, I took because then seventh for my social sciences and all maths and entirely loved ended really well. And then once I got to uni, took the same basically and my first semester, but then wanted to check in some other papers, you know, check them out. So I took sociology, like one sociology, paper and one gene to paper. And I took the gene of paper because it had the word sexuality, and the title. And I thought, oh my god, they might be some lesbians and they ulterior motives. How do I see out here a motives? And then it just totally made the path of my life? You know, so thus far, you know, like, because you found the least, because he took at least fans in the class, I thought, but it won't turns out, one of my girlfriends after that was at my class. But yeah, no, I thought, well, I think there are a whole lot of queer women in that class, but I didn't notice and nobody see them, or at least be in movies like this, all the opportunities to do that when you're in a lecture. So it's a big relief when you discovered feminism? Yeah. Um, I think the main thing for me Actually, when I first came across feminism, was about because I, I mean, it might change, but I feel like I'm one of those woman they're often portrayed and movies is really didn't say, like, I grew up at the end of my sentence. As soon as I stuff I go, I say totally a lot. I zone out quite a bit when I'm trying to think about stuff. I like to we're certain things and certain ways sometimes, you know, and I think those kind of women always slagged off and my face and for me feminism was about like being proud to be whoever you are. And I guess being a woman like I find out how to save your country woman because I thinking about gender at the moment. But when I first came across feminism was amazing to feel really positive about being a woman. Yeah. So that was a kind of a big relief for you can be like, Oh, I can I can be this way. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And kind of just I mean, hips of it was the arena Cotto, like I love to the mind trip that it took me on, which it was like the first alternative world that I came across actually enlightened. Realizing that you can have different lifestyles, I learned about that through feminism, and realizing that you could think about things in a different way, like conceptualize life in a different way. And that language is constructed, like a learned thought, the concept of deconstructing stuff through feminism. So yeah, that was massive for me. Because that's what that that's how my mind works now. Like it kind of formed my mind feminism for my mind. Yeah. And as well, it kind of led me to deconstruct stuff, I could deconstruct the fucked up shit that had happened in my life, from a place of strength. You know, not from a place of like victimhood, or like, angry ness, or, I mean, obviously, I love being angry. And I think that's really great. That's good state. But I'm not just taking shit and not just I don't I lame. People say stupid ideas that make you feel weird. Feminism allowed me to realize that I'm feeling weird when people do certain things, and gave me the strength to speak out. Yeah. Because I've always been really outspoken, but I've never had anything to back me up of why what people were doing was making me feel dumb. Yeah, well, that's pretty cool. And also, just like, it's totally constructive my analysis of the world I like I can't like I say, everything's for humanism. Now. I like when I say people on drugs, I look at the dynamics through that lens. And just Yeah, like all kinds of topics. I think for me, like when you run, learn about something new, like I wrote recently, this thing about the indiscriminate sorry, that I went to that hit a theme of decolonization session, anti racism. And I was writing up about the experience and saying how, for me learning about that, and having ongoing learning around this, I'm always bringing it back to feminism. Like, whenever I'm trying to learn something new, I bring it back to my analysis of the world that I have through feminism and how like this the way the structure how structures work that same so inherently at the moment, privileged mean, I've a woman and applying it to other topics and other areas where people are underprivileged. So realizing that queer communities as a good transition, how do you kind of see I guess more about Auckland or maybe New Zealand? How do you see quick communities and we're where we kind of hit with it stuff. And we're, you'd like to see it pushed or hid? Or is it all just trundling along rather nicely and doing a happy job? I love the creation today. Guess I wouldn't be able to hang out all the time is the people kind of, I guess in Oakland, kind of bars and pubs and socializing and events or the whole lot. One that I love, like what's there as an as a as a the people you meet through rainbow youth, you really love that aspect or a whole lot of partying. And they have a quick visibility resort. Right? Well, I like to think, yeah, that concept of quick communities like what that means, I guess that is kind of relevant in terms of just like, you know, that homogenising of any kind of subculture, like thinking, all gay people are the same. And then not, so there's going to be subcultures or then the queer community. And I don't like all of those sex, like, I don't know, I'm not into Chase, maybe there's a cheese skirt, or something. I'm not gonna go to there. I mean, I like chess, but I don't have time for it at the moment. And I'm not actually that go to and I'm probably forgotten the road. So I'm not going to go to that. And I don't know, I like in the pot, like in tonight. And I was on the soccer team, the women's soccer team and had a few goes at the Chris softball, but wasn't that good. So you know, like, I'm anxious for it. But I'm not actually really into sport right now, at the moment. I like exercising in bars and pubs is like, visible focal points along the time by Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is. I actually found him tonight on like, the esports stuff was quite big, actually. And, I don't know cnet's during the Unity stuff that wasn't necessarily always been focused. So that's cool. But then it's all kind of in the sports stuff was more middle age queer people. The uni stuff is obviously more young people. But yet, there's a definitely a focus on, like drinking and stuff like that. And I find, I mean, I haven't traveled to heaps of queer cities around the world or anything. But yeah, I definitely get a sense that New Zealand's queer saying just because of the size of population, you know, it doesn't massive and so the sub the sub things within the queer saying, like really tiny, and so they haven't developed and, you know, really crank Sainz and all the different kind of genres of what do you want to do? So you enjoy them nonetheless? Totally? Yeah. Do you see them as really supportive of young people and education and awareness and that kind of thing? Hmm, era youth, I think we've done a really good job the to create awesome events and social gatherings like weekly, multiple ones weekly, like this six groups or something going at the moment? Where Yeah, they get together, they had heaps of fun, they start new groups, if they want to have new groups, like, I don't know, animation nights and stuff, where they all learn how to animation, stuff like that. But on paper, I mean, they face or whatever. But, um, so yeah, they do some fun stuff. And I think they totally love it. I don't go to any of the groups as a participant, but they all seem to be sober and to make really good friendships. The group for Android change is like 40 members to a knit group now and that's just going to get bigger because all these kids are coming out of high school now. We're just soco. Yes, I feel like there's focus there, away from alcohol. But I feel like it's pretty unique. Having run both here in Oakland, the the boss saying like, yeah, that's kind of what I was meeting with this sub saints, like, I do, like guy, like a candy bar up here. It's just open. And it's like a woman's, a queer woman's bar. Like for like, I wasn't selling like for woman. But for everybody else, I'm sure. I don't know, like, anybody can go, but it's woman focused. And yeah, like, I love being around. I love being in like more woman focused spaces. With like, but the thing I look like I like gender variance and spices. But I like the vibe of the bane Hicks a queer woman over there. And that's really exciting. So I love going I can do when, when I don't know when this seven things on that I like, again, I'm not gonna go there every night. That it's opening because it's open like four nights a week, which is pretty sweet for a queer woman's bath. Like, in my mind, it's pretty amazing. Because we don't have that into I don't think we even have a quick query engine. But I'm I'm like, I only go when I know who's playing. And what kind of music is going to play because I I keep some kind of snobby with my music maybe. But like, I hate some music I don't like and I'm not just going to go to a gay woman's bar and listen to music. And I don't know, like, just be there because it's queer. And it's for woman like, I'm not gonna do that. But if this is really wicked music, and I'm going to have a good night, then I love it this that space exists. Yeah, but I feel like yeah, I feel like it's exciting the idea of those scenes developing and some more specific things so that you can actually go to something we more parts of yourself are going to be acknowledged and present, as opposed to just your sexuality being there. Yeah. Cool. Thanks.

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