Pride and Prejudice Panel

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in [00:00:06] Tina Coto [00:00:10] Catalina Malika Kota [00:00:13] nahi kita, Finola night [00:00:16] Tara nahi kena manaphy Noah water poco ot aka t ot our nama he kena Tanga Finola, kena tangata tivity [00:00:31] Tina koto katoa number he knew he kena coded all right or tonight for [00:00:40] dinner Koto, moto Mahi [00:00:44] moto kaha or to Nikon [00:00:54] Coolpix [00:01:00] Hear tangata A Tawny kitaen facility no Waikato hi [00:01:06] Makoto [00:01:09] okay to pull it off a today Ahmadi in ima not immaterial to a Thai or TNA Finola [00:01:19] nahi hapkido. [00:01:22] Hi everyone. I'm beaks. I'm really nervous about standing here because I don't do this in Kentucky and Wellington ever. I'm from the Waikato and so it feels like a really new space for me so I apologize for my nerves in a paper or so. [00:01:39] But welcome here tonight for these conversations are really big welcome to our [00:01:44] speakers tonight. It's going to be wonderful to hear what you have to say to us. [00:01:50] In a really good Welcome to everybody who's here because coming along tonight to a conversation like this is really quite as brave. It's not easy for us to talk [00:02:00] About the end to listen about the [00:02:06] the oppressions that we face in and to talk about racism within our communities and how they can impact all of our communities. And so [00:02:16] it's it's wonderful have you to come in to be part of that conversation. Because those conversations can be quite difficult sometimes we ask that you approach it with care. This is a community space rather than a therapeutic space. And so we ask that you approach the conversations like that if you need to take some time out from any of the conversations, we have some rooms available out there. We've also asked pile to be available for this. For people of color if if anything comes up that you need to kind of talk through the in pile has got social worker training and is able to [00:02:58] provide some support [00:03:00] That for people who are not of color or white people like myself Sandra's available for you to talk through anything that needs to be talked through after the conversation. [00:03:11] I believe that's all I'm going to leave you in the very capable hands of Sarah. And then we will close we'll go through tonight. We will close with the category at the end of the evening. Thank you everyone. [00:03:26] killed everybody. As big said, I'm sorry. I'll be facilitating tonight. You'll have to excuse me, I'm going to sit down. My back's not very good. So. [00:03:35] Okay, so I'll just talk a little bit about what brought us here this evening. Well as the organizers, and last year, I was involved in [00:03:48] talking back I suppose, talking in organizations talking back to to me at 250. And we had a facilitated discussion about [00:03:59] power [00:04:00] I'm what it means to be parkour and celebrate and celebrating something like cook. And what we could do as colonizers in order to recognize what that means and how to celebrate or recognize or remember in a more appropriate manner than what the 282 50 was proposing. [00:04:20] And so from that, a very good friend of mine had organized that. And so from that, I got talking with Bix, and Sandra, because they were at that event, and we really enjoyed what the conversations that were being happened. And so we thought we might like to continue, continue doing it, and maybe trying to have other events like it. And the same person they learn he that Leilani seal, She challenged us once she heard what that would have been talking about it said, Well, why don't you try and put something on during Pride Week. [00:04:51] And we took that challenge. We're a little bit dubious in the very beginning. We weren't sure we could pull it together quite that quickly, but we thought let's give it a go and [00:05:00] So here we are. [00:05:02] So big thanks to the four of you for coming along tonight to share your thoughts and what you do in your daily lives. [00:05:11] I'd like to like to be a bit of a back and forth question kind of thing, or I'll introduce the panelists at the moment. And they will tell you a little bit about what they do in their daily lives and how they work towards ending racism and altaira. And then I'll open up the floor, we can just have a bit of a conversation back and forth. But I think it's important to remember that Yeah, as Beck's pointed out, discussing racism is a really hard conversation. And it's conversation that I have found more and more that needs to happen within the queer and trans communities. Because unfortunately, or I suppose it's not really unfortunately, it's obvious, you know, we're just we're, we're, we exist in a world and racism is part of that world, and therefore racism is gonna exist in our communities as well. So this tonight will be an opportunity for you to hear about what these people are doing. And maybe then what you can do [00:06:00] In order to support what they're doing, or just to give yourselves a bit of an idea of how to work out in the community and deal with everyday racism [00:06:09] so on the far end, we have Laura [00:06:15] Laura Connell rapira, Laura's member of the rainbow Takata. Baby community. She is passionate about unleashing the power of the crowd through digital and community organizing, effective collaboration values by storytelling and creative campaigning. She loves me loves New Zealand music festivals travel, vegan kite dogs Aerosmith, a pair of human imagination. [00:06:42] City makes the Laura is Andrew M. Rahman, and Germany's project leader for the inclusive altaira collective Tohono, an organization working towards a cross community approach to increasing belonging and inclusion for all New Zealanders. We do this by developing what we as an underdog [00:07:00] As I [00:07:02] do this by developing a strategy and implementing it via the constellation model, these are work hubs which bring various communities and organizations together to work on a common goal, which is basically what really sums up what tonight is about. [00:07:18] Next we have Tanya. Tanya so wiki made it I pronounce it service. Okay. Tanya is poor Nikki born and bred tangata tt and currently working as a director of just speak, a youth powered movement with transformative change in criminal justice towards a fair and fair trust and compassion outer. Wouldn't we all like that. [00:07:40] And last but by no means least, Sam Kate, Sam cake as a member of treaty action collective colicky a predominantly popular group running community workshops, to explore engage with a history of positivity or what only workshops or steps or support pocket and toe eternity to the tee and partnership in their daily lives. [00:08:00] To acknowledge Atos, colonizer history and actively address racism. Participants of all backgrounds in history are welcome. Sam Kate is an intersectional activist passionate about interweaving communities and to support supporting sustainable well being. And that [00:08:17] that last bit there, [00:08:20] interweaving communities against about what tonight's tonight's all about. Because you can't there's no way we're going to one person is going to end racism. We're not going to solve it individually. We have to work together. We have to work across boundaries. We have to work intersectionally. And yeah, so that's what we're here for tonight to start that conversation. And also, I think I might be right in saying we've, tonight we're putting the politics back into pride and I think we're the only ones that are doing that. [00:08:53] But those of you who know me, you'll know my history of activism and politics. So yeah, I'm quite proud to be doing this tonight. [00:09:00] Proud to be doing with Bix and Sandra and his wife, Linda. [00:09:05] All right, so, which one of you folks lovely folks like to kick us off and start with what you're doing and why you're doing it? How you doing it? [00:09:28] Feeling guilty? [00:09:30] Okay, fine. I'll start [00:09:33] painting on code. So, I'd like to begin by acknowledging manaphy Noah, the history, the struggles and the aspirations in our share of Turkey, which a friend of mine told me which is an excuse my pronunciation. Why Whoa, it is to Porto coma et todo, which means let us join together and not fall apart. [00:09:58] I kinda wanted to [00:10:00] Begin by with a memory that I hear and you need to tell me when to stop talking because I talk a lot. [00:10:08] But, and this is a memory issue with beaks. It was after the Orlando shootings, which was [00:10:16] it was quite a gushing experience obviously for the pride community here and it to Idaho, which is the equal income action site. the gay community decided to do a vigil and paint. And I found out about this and I said, Well, I need to go [00:10:37] in so I went with her. And [00:10:41] in a sense, that was possibly one of the scariest things I've done because I was walking into a space where there was a lot of grief and a lot of anger. And I held within myself a sense of responsibility or a sense of, [00:10:56] you know, I'm so sorry that this came from our community. [00:11:00] Cause grief to you. [00:11:02] And I knew that they would be expressions of anger, which they were and rightfully so, like, you know, but it was just a matter of how am I gonna deal with it and how I dealt with it was saying because he did have such strength, right needs to [00:11:16] decide. [00:11:18] But, but I did that I'm really glad. I'm really really glad that I went in there I had the opportunity to spread solidarity and to express or to shared grief with the community. [00:11:34] So, there's a sad thing but it was also you know, one of the most powerful experiences that they've had in it sits with me and I'm done. Yeah, I'm glad that as part of my memory. [00:11:47] So [00:11:49] we, you know, we coming unto the anniversary of another tragedy [00:11:55] from, you know, the Christchurch mosque attacks and that is really [00:12:00] You know, the project that I'm doing now the inclusive arterial collective Tohono started after the attack. I don't know if any of you have seen the video on Radio New Zealand, let me interrupt this morning. [00:12:15] But if you don't, then you will know that we had been talking to government for quite some years and asking them to do a national strategy. And we had said two things. First of all, like we'd say, we've got all these issues that our women and our community are facing. And really, you need to take a strategic approach to deal with it all. And we gave them some solutions. So for each thing that we raised each issue we raised it, here's what needs to happen on the space. And we see it a few get these solutions, right. They weren't just benefit our community. They will benefit all communities that are suffering from somewhat similar issues that you might have to modify them a little bit. [00:13:00] But to be suitable for that community, but generally you get it right and you you can transfer it across. [00:13:09] But government was government and we weren't important enough. And we did have no power in that structure. And so it never happened. [00:13:19] Yeah, [00:13:21] I'll not dwell on it. But after the after the attacks I've been I did a call through the leadership museum trust in that was in 2017. So they did a healing session around the Christchurch attacks via zoom. So I teamed up there, and that's where I got connected to these two wonderful women that work at foundation north and I was talking to them. I was in a very bad space in April last year, worn down lack of sleep, lack of faith in anything like hope. [00:13:53] Even after the tapes, I felt like there was no movement. Nobody was listening. And so I was just sitting the [00:14:00] Pouring myself out. And one of them. I talked to her afterwards. And she said to me, what would it look like if you did a strategy outside of government? And it was just one of those? Excuse me jaw drop moments. Oh, wow. Yes, you say would look good. [00:14:18] I would love to do that. And then they shared with me the song called the constellation model, which is a way [00:14:26] to bring communities together around a single goal. And one of the examples that originated in Canada led us to in the health sphere. But we subsequently heard about a US example with [00:14:40] a town in Oregon used around reducing teenage pregnancies and a managed to get a B into abortionists and the pro choices in the same room together to work on this common goal because it was something that they all agreed on, and they were actually quite successful. So they look fabulous as well. [00:14:59] So [00:15:00] started this week in June last year. Now, here's some lovely discussions with Laura. They don't end up where we wanted to, but it was just so useful to help clarify our thinking and, and she's been wonderful in terms of supporting us is, is have so many people across the country like I just couldn't believe we've got amazing comms team who just volunteered their time to do a con strategy for us. The University of Waikato, who are funding sucks literature reviews for us to go and look back at the last five years worth of consultations with six different communities. And what we've currently been doing is traveling around the country, we plan to hurt 60 towns and cities across New Zealand. And we're just getting small groups of people together in having very informal conversations around belonging and basically so we're taking three questions still Capri, which is what [00:16:00] The feel like you belong and out to New Zealand, what is stopping you from feeling like you belong and what needs to change in order for you to belong? And we keep them deliberately seem simple and accessible, but they are very weighty questions and people talk them talk. And we've just had, you know, amazing conversations and, you know, we have these hunches of ourselves and I think, you know, I think I'm more clued up than the average person. I think I engage with a lot of communities I, I read about stuff I try and follow diverse people on Twitter. But what I've been hearing, it's just like, I don't know anything. [00:16:42] You know, so much about how people live in the things that they have to deal with. [00:16:49] And so we will have all of these conversations we will have three major fully so we got Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch. [00:16:57] We heard in Wellington on 13th of June. [00:17:00] Christchurch isn't 28 the match in the in August will be Auckland. So that will be another way to engage we've got an online space for you to engage with our questions. And we've got you can type in your answers or you can hit the button in speak your answers to try and improve access quality for people with disabilities or literacy or English as a second language, whatever. So we're doing a piece one to be accessible and seeking to reach as many people as we can. [00:17:34] with a view to once we have all the data we have this fabulous data in Austin, Christchurch, and she's going to write a comprehensive report and we'll develop a strategy out of there is very much a community facing strategy. So we are quite clear around their boundaries. We're talking to civil society. This is not a government facing project. We are not talking to Government Bill terms of the data [00:18:00] We think they should do their own strategy and their own work. And we don't think the philanthropic sector should fund what government should be doing. So we've just been very clear, we're not doing that. [00:18:13] And then once we hit the strategy, we'll pull out three strains and try and develop these work hubs around them. And I can't say what they will be yet because it will depend on what the majority of people in New Zealand are saying needs to change. But what my hope is, in terms of what that would look like, is that we'd look at who's already working on that thing, and bring them together and then try and bring people from across communities together to work on that common goal. And the underlying aim as one to change the competitive environment the NGO is currently working on when there's a lack of sharing of information and resources that, you know, we just put into the structure that forces us to be that way. And so this is a way to attempt [00:19:00] change that. Secondly, it's a community empowerment model, because it's about saying that community should lead direction, but community should be in charge of what happens to us. And it is our lived experience that should lead, whatever is done and where the resources are put and how things work. So it's kind of a, you know, a sneaky way of, of creating a social movement for change. And putting us in a position where we need to give up that government actually can't ignore us in changing that power differential between government and community because I think that very strongly needs to be changed. Which is not to say, I know there are lovely people in government and they're well meaning and genuine but some of them aren't. And certainly the structures are not, they really opt in. So these people, even if they wanted to do things differently, or better. [00:19:58] They're just really him [00:20:00] But I'm doing so. So that's that's my picture. [00:20:08] All right, who looks good next? [00:20:11] I can go next. [00:20:13] q&a everyone my name is Laura. I want to start out by acknowledging the work of Jeanette Fitzsimmons. Just because that's been really present with me and I'm sure it's been present with a lot of you as well. And [00:20:26] I first met her when I went to a young greens camp when I was first becoming politicized young person and, [00:20:32] and [00:20:35] I think like a lot of people, she provided incredible advice got me thinking about things in a way that I'd never thought about them before, and helped along with many other people throughout my journey to push me into the direction that I am today. So I'm here in Ottawa to find her at this time. [00:20:53] Yeah, so I'm the director of action station, action station. Who's heard of action station you're probably on our mailing [00:21:00] Yeah, [00:21:01] that's why I love being in Wellington because I used to live in Auckland and I've been like a third of the room and come to Wellington. Everyone's like [00:21:10] so yeah, action socialism multi issue, [00:21:14] community powered campaigning organization. And fundamentally it's about using digital tools. It's combining digital tools and community organizing and engaging people across the shared values and visions and hopes and frustrations to come together to take coordinated actions or hopefully a net change across a wide variety of COPPA and I guess [00:21:40] in to like to speak to the crapper. We're here today to talk about which is racism. [00:21:48] In 2017, [00:21:52] we read a report called Magic uma, which is the product of 250 hooey and that one a Jackson [00:22:00] And Professor Margaret matoo ran all around the country where they engaged thousands of Modi, to talk about what Modi wanted 2040 to be like, because that will be 200 years since two tenets your white sign was first signed, and what came out of those who he was a vision that by 2040, we will have constitutional transformation as the term that he uses. which essentially means that we will live into the promise of tetanus, your wife, honey, which is targeted at that's people here by guarantee or virtue of the treaty and time it's a Finola people of this land, [00:22:34] sheer power and responsibility and care for sheer power and responsibility for the care of this land and all of the people in it, which of course is not currently the way things operate the moment that how very much sits with the crown and not with Tanya Safina where as was first intended, and one of the calls to action to organizations that primarily work with tentative treaty ones, please go into your own visioning process and so [00:23:00] We actually session at that time, I think we had a mailing list of about 150,000 people and it was like 80 90% pakia. And so we took up that call and we said, okay, we've had this very clear call from to Maui, the Maui will say, please go into a visioning process of what you think the country should be like in 2040. So that's what we did. And so we ran this process called Chi unquoted, or where we had 500 people all around the country, very incredible, brave people who signed up to host people in their homes or in cafes. There was one that happened at a McDonald's and Lisbon. And they were like community whole events that happened in Christchurch, a few have been in South Auckland, where basically people would come together to discuss three big questions to talk about where do we want the country to be in 2040. And then what happened is that every single participant was sent a survey after they participated in that center to tell us what their vision was 2014 and from there, we pulled out a bunch of vision statements and the values that [00:24:00] People mentioned most often because whatever vision, whatever we are doing to create our vision, it needs to be based on set of values. And so [00:24:10] the values that came up most often were very similar to the values that came up most often in the Matic in my process, they will menarche, Tanya, which is sort of this idea of uplifting other people's manner. [00:24:23] It's the idea of generous hospitality, without any without any expectation of anything in return. [00:24:31] kaitiaki Tanya, which probably everyone has heard of, it's often used about it's used to describe how we look after nature, but it's also about how we look after all that we treasure, including our children and our young people in our babies. And what are the other ones equality and fairness community and belonging and [00:24:51] like there was something quite important and as an adult, which is actually breath of God [00:24:56] and [00:24:57] is often described as love without despair. [00:25:00] Connection when we sort of try and translate it into English, but it's difficult to translate modern concepts into English because it's not actually the right translations of some of these things. And sometimes it's about how you feel as opposed to what the words say, which is certainly the case, I think was menarche, Sonia. And so we got these wonderful answers from people. And we had the set of values, we sent that survey around 10,000 people from the action section community then responded to that survey. And from that, we developed our vision for what we want to be in 2040. And that vision articulated that at least the group of mostly talented city that we have engaged also would like to see constitutional transformation in 2014. And so that more or less, more or less as defined my work for the next 20 years, but also the mission of action station. And so some ways that we actually try and work towards that reality. [00:25:56] I'll give a couple of different examples. One is that we support [00:26:00] Morreale change. So, over the last couple of years, we got, we supported the campaign around eco moto with very practical support. We hosted the fundraising page, and we helped raise $100,000 for them so that they could continue the occupation. And then we would organize everything like whatever they needed, basically. tense. What are those things called? disable? Yeah, cuz [00:26:24] thanks to keep them dry and warm as the shakers there, as you remember. [00:26:29] The police raid happened in the middle of winter. And so that was they were cold and it was wheat and in order to maintain occupation as long as they have and it continues today, and they needed supplies to be able to do that firewood. [00:26:43] Well, those things breezies Yeah, a bunch of stuff, a lot of trips to Bunnings. [00:26:50] To maintain that occupation, we also got behind the hands off automatic network which is a whitening multi layered network of muddy noise. [00:27:00] social workers, researchers, midwives who [00:27:03] helped place actually the documentary with newsroom probably everyone saw it or heard about it at least which was the [00:27:11] video of sniffs workers attempting to uplift a uplift on it take forcefully take a child a baby [00:27:23] from the maternity ward hours after birth from a moldy mom. And so that video got 500,000 views. And we launched an open letter because we knew that documentary was coming out because we were working with the people who had helped place that documentary that opened then it was calling for a complete reorientation of the way that we treat care and protection and Altidore so that it is fun are centered. And the reason I say find a theme to this because there's a lot of talk about child centered at the moment. And, and actually when things are child centered. [00:27:58] that's a that's a wisdom. [00:28:00] perspective, that's not a indigenous perspective. foreigner centered means that it doesn't mean you leave the children or the babies in unsafe unsafe situations, it means you identify what is it that that foreigner needs in order to be safe for their baby and their child. And then you work to make that happen. And you do that over the long term. So we worked with the hands of somebody he knew at work to, [00:28:24] to advocate for the changes that they wanted to see. So those are a couple of levels of our support model change, but we also do work to organize totally non Maori to take effective action as treaty partners. And so one of the ways that we've been doing that over the last two years, which is a sort of ongoing experiment for us as a project called total total, and so totally total is a response to online racism and online hate. We've done some research that found that one in three Maori experience online hate or abuse compared to one and nine of one a nine pack. Yeah, I actually think one and nine is still really high. [00:29:00] So [00:29:02] our ultimate goal is just to get rid of hate right and, and the issue with obviously online hate is that it gives people who are expressing the hate the ability to spread it across time and space and often without any kind of transparency. And so totally total is essentially a project where we train up non Modi over a 10 week period to [00:29:26] have to try and facilitate kind of more informed dialogue about Motherland language and culture. And they do that in a way where they're taught first to listen. Because a lot of the time where the hate is coming from us from a place of hurt, isolation, [00:29:47] systemic oppression or being locked down themselves or just not being, what's the word [00:29:54] that we settle, top and yourself [00:29:58] and [00:30:00] So first he needs to listen. But we've our theory was that Modi shouldn't have to listen to the [00:30:05] people who are directly impacted by the hate that the Spirit should have to listen to them and help them overcome their and so, but also we recognize that even if you're not directly targeted by that hate, it's still really awful to engage in and so totally we talk was about providing a community of 30 way in which you can do that so that you can talk about those feelings of what it's like to be a purist mostly Pocky is an Albert's a parkour person working on anti racism stuff because it has had and and you need places to share those feelings and I feel like Maori have those places, and I'm not sure party have them quite as much. And yeah, and so those are some examples of how we try to work towards constitutional transformation and I think I'll leave it there. [00:30:52] Georgia Koto My name is Tanya I am on the director of just speak and [00:31:00] Yeah so and I'm tannaz acidity I was born here and pony ki Wellington, Ria person. I think it was actually born in Romania and Wellington, we have a highly migratory people. But yeah, so very feel very lucky to continue to call [00:31:18] defang and know Yeah, tada, my home. And [00:31:22] so I'll talk to you a little bit about just beacon work that we do and how that connects to both the couple of ways we are today. So just because an organization focused on transforming our criminal justice system, [00:31:35] towards fair safety and there's a lot of different ways it was like fear, safe, compassionate, just and all of those things I think obviously connect to to the cause to the vision that we have for Altidore. [00:31:49] So just speak, the the power of the organization is is through Camacho, Kim workman who many of Has anyone here heard? [00:32:00] Can women Yeah, right yeah. So critical what I'm gonna do in this in this area and meaning, you know he's he's touched the lives of lots of different people with all the work that he's done inside and outside the tent and he said organization called rethinking Crime and Punishment which basically wanted to be the antithesis that was in his interest, a very worthy because very necessary at the time [00:32:24] and you know wanted to bring the experience that he has as a Marty men but also person had worked in patio spaces worked in the justice system, but also outside of it and bring what he saw as the fundamental failures of that system, particularly for Maori but but really for everyone into the kind of civil society world. And then, back eight years ago, he put up a call [00:32:48] to young people, he said, I look around the table and there are too many old folk. We need some young people in the schools and thinking that five would show up and then I think like 50 people showed up to his office the following week. [00:33:00] And that's how Chesapeake was born. So we were initially kind of the youth wing. And then as youth tend to do, we revolted. [00:33:09] I say we I was not there at the time, but I still I really connect with the story and kind of became the, like the primary vehicle of the work that that cam has set up to do. [00:33:21] So yeah, there's a few things I think that can really connect with obviously, the work of criminal justice transformation. And the reason why we're all in this room today. And obviously, the biggest one is that our colonial justice system primarily incarcerates disproportionately cast rates Marty, and that reflects both inherent racism and in New Zealand society, the punitive attitudes that we particularly as pharkya I think carry as a legacy of our [00:33:50] of colonization and how we came to be here and the attitudes that you know, our ancestors brought with us, in my case, from all the way from Poland, but [00:34:00] from, you know, from the UK and all over, and the interaction, I think of that racism of that punitive ism and then a desire to control and punish people living outside of their strict ideas about what communities look like and how they should behave. And so it's quite a big [00:34:19] we talk about criminal justice, but it really connects to all these other things about what is, you know, what is acceptable behavior, how we deal with harm, you know, what the long he looks like, in in many complicated ways, what our obligations are to each other, to help each other when we're struggling, or when things do go wrong. [00:34:38] So, you know, it can be quite overwhelming as Laura and I share an office so we face the connectedness of all of the things that we work on quite a lot for just speak. Obviously, we, you know, we're primarily focused on what can we do now, to change our justice system so that it that we we reckon with the fact that it is inherently racist [00:35:00] When we look at the hyper incarceration of Marty men and women, which is the thing that has most obviously changed in the last three decades [00:35:09] and and what our obligations are as parky on particular, to work on that change. So that's kind of been the focus of our work for the last couple of years and a framing that I've started using for it to help kind of people make sense of it. And to help my see myself make sense of it is weaponizing respectability politics. [00:35:33] And some people are like you say that to me, like, [00:35:37] like with a knife, what is respectable anyway, but I find it really useful because I think it kind of captures the sense of as an organization with it has often been staffed by and supported by the volunteer work of predominantly but not definitely not solely pharkya and totally we people working in a law with policy know with higher education. Hi [00:36:00] degrees, [00:36:01] that gives us a certain access to spaces where people need to be challenged about their attitudes, you know, their racism and their participation in racist systems, whatever their personal beliefs and to kind of get, you know, to like, get into the difficult kind of connections between those things. So how we do that is always changing. But over the last few years, we've had a few key projects that I can talk to you a little bit about that kind of connect with this. [00:36:30] These you know, having these difficult conversations illuminating the connections between our colonial history and the current status of our justice system and pushing people wherever we can in the spaces that we have access to, to get them to think about how this cause very much affects all of us. As much as it obviously disproportionately fix Ahmadi. [00:36:53] The first thing that we that we did which was about three or four years ago was holder who he called for to Tierra which was really about [00:37:00] creating space for Marty voices to talk about Marty live solutions to the [00:37:06] this this question of mass incarceration. And it was with this was actually before my time, but it still continues to really impact. I think how we work because it was a [00:37:20] a forum that I don't think had existed for, really before that specifically talking about justice, the justice system, [00:37:28] all the different ways in which it was failing. Mali particular all the different ways in which it was completely neglecting the obligations that the government the crown has, but also that communities have under utility, and the ways that we needed to empower the voices of people most affected by it to to sit us on a pathway for how we might change it. So that was really an opportunity, I think, to try to demonstrate and people from government were invited. They were not invited to speak and I think that's something I've read recently. [00:38:00] Who didn't put you to uh, we're that kind of similar approach was taken, where people from the community would give them the space to, to talk and people from the government were invited to sit down, shut up and listen. And I'm really glad to see that kind of as an approach continue to spread, because I think, [00:38:19] yeah, there's a lot that, that we have, you know, we as party, and I think particularly the crown has has done a lot of harm by continuing to believe that they hold the keys to how we solve this problem. [00:38:31] The second major project that that we worked on, that kind of tries to get to this sort of tries to provide openings for this conversation about the inter complex relationship between racism and the justice system was one that actually hit the airwaves, if you will last week, which I don't know if anyone would have seen it. Some of you might have but we released some research. That was about two and a half years in the making and using the statistics in the IDI database. Does anyone else know what [00:39:00] defines encrypted data infrastructure. Yes. So it's, it's when researchers can come and look at data within steps, museums, they have to go through a process, but it means that they can actually look at personal information. And there is some people are concerned that that information could actually be referred to outside. So I'm here to talk but you know, introduce okay. [00:39:27] Yeah, I won't get into the politics of the idea right now. But it's a very valuable a very valid point and one that's that was very present for us. And really, what we were trying to do [00:39:38] is use some of the data and the approaches to knowledge building and knowledge making that have mostly been the terrain, you know, or have mostly been trying to park every switch as I think, which is basically using that hard data and looking at a statistical analysis of the way that of the representation of groups [00:40:00] Within our justice system, [00:40:02] and it was a very long time in the making, statistically, this is not my strength. Mostly we worked with someone who had a background in it. And really what we were trying to do is to say, for those people who, you know, maybe they're aware of some of the some of the research done by people like Martin Jackson, and Margaret matoo, maybe they are they've seen the stats, and they know they've heard maybe a story or two about what it's like to be targeted by the police as a young man, but they just need a little more of that information of the kind they recognize and the kind that they value, frankly. So what we wanted to do was to illustrate a little bit more about how how profoundly and demonstrably racist digestive system is specifically starting with policing. And we looked at what the likelihood was of a Paki a person with no criminal justice backgrounds and a police record and up to prison. What's the likelihood that they're going to get stopped by police and what's the likelihood that they're going to get charged in court and then compare that to a Maori person [00:41:00] Who similarly has no record. And hopefully some of you saw this anyway. But basically what we found is, is it is that that discrepancy that we see in our prison system starts in policing. And it is not surprising, I really want to emphasize that this is not we didn't come up with this knowledge. You know, this is very much well understood, particularly by Marty, [00:41:21] but really by anyone who'd been paying attention, but I think what we were trying to do here was to provide an additional piece of information that was much harder to ignore, for those of us who, who really participate in respectability politics and the value of certain kinds of information. And then the third thing, the third project that we've been working on over the last couple of years, you know, on this cloak upper was a project called corded or corner, which was really about storytelling, and it was trying to demonstrate [00:41:51] it was using the power of storytelling and valleys with storytelling to show show people the collateral consequences of incarceration, particularly [00:42:00] formatting. And so we wanted to illustrate, you know that everyone who has been who has gone to present or had a family member has gone to prison who's been convicted in the court that they are human beings with complex histories with needs, with desires, and with value. And to really kind of start to chip away this idea that when you put someone up behind bars, that you kind of put that problem away. And that particularly for, for the foreigner that that is something that will reverberate throughout generations. And we see that obviously, with how with all the statistical stuff that we know about how a child with a parent in prison is 18 times more likely to end up in prison themselves. And we that's effect that I can recite horribly easily, but telling the story of someone whose parent has been imprisoned or who or someone who has imprisoned themselves, who has kids, I think obviously does it far better than any number could. [00:42:56] Yeah, so that was a project that was a really long time in the making. [00:43:00] Obviously, a lot of complexity with dealing with some of the most traumatic experiences of people's lives. But what we primarily worked on was a multimedia exhibition that we exhibited in physical spaces and online around the country of the last year and a half, launching a Wellington, but then ultimately going all the way down the North and South Island, and it remains online on our website, but video one is interested and looking at it. [00:43:25] Yeah, so I think those that's kind of, I guess, a little potted history of some of the stuff that we've done here. And I think we were trying to go to now you know, where it specifically right relates to the Koper of tackling racism and are our obligations there and the discomfort that we often feel there is two projects. One is [00:43:44] actually very similar as it inspired by Kai unquoted, all, which is about hosting spaces similar to this one actually, where people are encouraged to leave kind of lightly facilitated conversations talking about the attitudes that underpin the peanut [00:44:00] activism that we see reflected in our justice system. School justice is served. So the idea is that we get together as like kind of corny but I kind of like [00:44:12] people get together around some Chi and talk about and unprompted with a few key questions to start unpacking some of those attitudes that we know [00:44:20] underpin why we're so happy to throw a lot of people particularly Marty behind [00:44:26] behind prison doors and lock the key and throw it away. And that the again some of those why those punitive attitudes particularly affects communities of color and turned out to Finola, [00:44:36] and also how they ultimately end up screwing all of us. So that's a project that is launching in April and that is definitely something that anyone in this room can get involved in by by hosting one of these dinners. It's something that we it's very much a small scale compensations for long term change kind of project. But those are really necessary. You know, alongside the work that we're doing, we're actually station [00:45:00] Others towards the election which is obviously a much more [00:45:04] pressing issue have I talked for a really long time? Yeah, okay, I'll stop it there [00:45:15] cursor [00:45:18] Ah, [00:45:20] just being fourth means that I'm like bubbled up with inspiration and have no idea what I was going to say anymore. [00:45:31] So I think just to start it's it's such a privilege to be here [00:45:38] and I'm I'm very grateful for the kind of [00:45:45] the community feeling all of it [00:45:48] in a very personal way because I'm so I have chronic illness, which sometimes means everything is fine and I can travel along in my happy little life and you [00:46:00] Everything looks great. And other times it gets really difficult and complicated. Things get really hard to do. [00:46:06] So actually, I had a bit of a meltdown earlier this afternoon, about whether or not I would make it tonight. And so I'm very grateful to have made it and to be kind of surrounded by a [00:46:21] group of people who It feels like I'm going to be very forgiving of, you know, whatever my brain lets me do [00:46:29] and, and hopefully, [00:46:31] that will alleviate a lot of stress, which makes it worse. [00:46:36] So, yeah, it's just such a privilege to be here and to be [00:46:42] sharing [00:46:45] kind of some of [00:46:47] my own understandings and experiences around so many of the things that have been mentioned, you know, we're talking about belonging and community and [00:46:57] and kind of storytelling, and all of that. [00:47:00] I have things to speak to have all of those things. [00:47:05] And so I am here kind of representing treaty action, collective panicky, were relatively newly formed group [00:47:18] is mentioned as predominantly Park Yeah, but not exclusively. [00:47:24] And [00:47:26] kind of [00:47:29] what [00:47:31] what we are hoping to do is engage at a community level with people and kind of inspire [00:47:42] curiosity and humility that then results in anti racism, action. [00:47:47] So we host workshops on the to white tank [00:47:53] and [00:47:55] then they they can be either kind of open community workshops, tell your friends [00:48:00] Tell your families come along or more specific [00:48:05] we can work with organizations to kind of host workshops for the particular groups [00:48:15] and [00:48:23] storytelling and belonging really [00:48:27] kind of fade into this so strongly. [00:48:30] So I, I talk about that to Tamaki and yada yada [00:48:36] and also Scotland and Germany and I grew up in orthotic Christchurch. [00:48:43] which some of you may know is is [00:48:47] quite a lot more conservative and visibly white then Wellington for example. [00:48:56] And so, [00:49:00] For me, [00:49:02] something that I [00:49:06] found really powerful in moving to Puerto Rico and Steve, [00:49:13] and having an opportunity actually through the body, the mental health system, to really engage with [00:49:23] my own sense of fuck buffer and belonging. [00:49:27] And to kind of alongside that be working in these communities of people who are talking about anti racism and other all of the other political actions that are happening. [00:49:39] I, I feel very passionately about too many of them to list. [00:49:45] And so that really feed [00:49:50] I think into into my experience of meeting with lots of different people from different backgrounds, hearing these stories [00:49:59] and really seeing [00:50:00] value in, in how connecting and storytelling is how we make change, as we're saying like small conversations long term goals. [00:50:11] And [00:50:14] yes, so one of the things that I really found kind of [00:50:24] really were brought home to me in the last two treaty education workshops that I was [00:50:30] helping facilitate [00:50:33] was just this. [00:50:36] The sense that we're working with two really, really different worldviews when we talk about the deal white I mean, [00:50:44] we we have [00:50:46] Dr. Marty with all of its great depth of thinking, and history and relationships and narratives. And then we have the Euro centric Park yo GTL Baka. With its equally deep [00:51:00] sip of tea, conga, and narratives and relationships in history. [00:51:05] And the two very really line up. [00:51:10] And so if we look at our [00:51:14] history of colonization, that has, has built the New Zealand that we currently know. [00:51:22] We can see right from the beginning that the two worldviews were were kind of clashing against each other. And, and the only people who were being heard were the ones who were willing to yell louder. [00:51:38] And that in itself, was a product of the worldview that brought them [00:51:44] in. So one of the things that I feel really excited about with with hosting these workshops is offering an alternative to, to the narratives that a lot of us got in high school. [00:52:00] suddenly came away from, from [00:52:03] lessons on the Treaty of Waitangi in high school with just enough knowledge to hide the gap. And not enough to actually have any idea what happened or why or who. [00:52:15] And, and so being able to offer the kind of the alternative [00:52:23] of reality. [00:52:26] And in doing so with storytelling, so [00:52:32] kind of starting with, you know, what is what is [00:52:37] a timeline let's, let's build a timeline of [00:52:41] you know, we start with decoding into Paul, and we build down and we have all of these events that kind of occurred through, through through various explorers arriving and, and all of that, and [00:52:53] one of the first things people notice is that [00:52:56] up until this moment timelines have always started aging for [00:53:01] There's never been anything before then. And the second thing that we notice is that the timeline itself is an extremely Western setup. It doesn't really make a lot of sense. And that's why it's so it's such a kind of a fun challenge trying to place some of the the prior points on this timeline. [00:53:23] In I find watching people's kind of the light bulbs, [00:53:30] it suddenly occurs to them, that it's only just occurred to them that the western parkour worldview that has always been taken for granted is by no means the only one. That there are so many worldviews and we have this great privilege of living in a country where it's not even two worldviews we're looking at we have such a huge beautiful diversity and the [00:53:58] the importance of being able to [00:54:00] see each other [00:54:01] will then allow us to hopefully get into some of this anti racism work. [00:54:09] Yeah, so one of the things that I also found, [00:54:13] feel is really intrinsic Is this the question of belonging. [00:54:19] We're, we had a hurry A while ago, where before we were renamed as to the action, collective punky. [00:54:29] And one of the things that seemed to really come out of that, for me was the idea the idea that [00:54:37] if we [00:54:46] get a sense of belonging [00:54:49] is really [00:54:50] anchoring and, excuse me, gives that thorough that you're talking about [00:54:57] and what I witnessed repeated [00:55:00] Through [00:55:02] through conversations with lots of different people is that especially the the kind of New Zealand parka identity [00:55:15] I see an awful lot of people who identify as New Zealand parka and have a deep sense of rootlessness. There's there's no sense of kind of a [00:55:28] solid place to stand and come from. And so that, in turn creates kind of a sense of, [00:55:37] of kind of striving and coveting. And in kind of the benevolent racism realm, you see people who are really enthusiastic about [00:55:50] Mali culture, they love everything about it, and they desperately wish that they can claim it. And hopefully for a lot of these people, they're not trying to claim [00:56:00] But there's that real longing in sense of, [00:56:04] of missing out on something. And conversation I had quite recently, someone brought up the idea that colonization in its ongoing effectiveness, which is what we see in modern day material. It really relies on [00:56:24] on [00:56:27] cutting yourself off from the idea that you belong anywhere else. Because if you belong somewhere else, maybe you don't belong here. And if you don't belong here, then maybe your whole colonizer system is desperately more fragile than you want it to be. [00:56:42] In so what I really want to end the rest of the, the group one of the things we really hope can come out of attending these truly education workshops is starting to get a sense of of who we are. [00:57:00] Yeah in place we're in, [00:57:02] in kind of a, [00:57:06] the beginning of a belief that you have a birthright and an entitlement to your own history to your own ancestors and that through kind of strengthening, [00:57:20] strengthening bit within Park er, we're enabling them to take space. [00:57:26] Weird as vias and then allow space for everyone else. [00:57:34] Yeah, I think that's [00:57:39] Yes. Thank you. [00:57:42] Okay. So the next question, I'm going to put to you all [00:57:49] we're really keen to hear about [00:57:52] things that discrimination, marginalization have in common here and how that can be made clear to the to the room, so [00:58:00] How does what you all do in your daily lives? interact or intersect with the people here today? So I guess the I hate using the term queer communities because, you know, we're not, but you know, that chick that's just for tonight. 10 more homogenous case, but we know very well that we're not. [00:58:23] So yeah. So how would what you're all doing? I mean, if you don't if you can't ask that, that's fine. But let's just try and have that so we can start to open up the conversation. [00:58:35] I think yeah. [00:58:38] So [00:58:41] one of the sudden articulate this clearly, but I think [00:58:46] a barrier right now to us achieving constitutional transformation is that we still live in a colonial system that requires decolonization. And so, a lot of Action Stations work now is about how can we decolonize various acts [00:59:00] aspects of our society so that space can be made for others to re indigenized those spaces. So we're very clear that we play the role of decolonization and not the re indigenisation we, I'm Marty person. I have respect poverty. But so I'm the director of an organization but I'm clear that we are operating in what is called the cow one atmosphere, which is the area of holding government to account and then there's the 10 automata Sangha sphere, which is the area of Tonga Tofino, where decision making blanket Sita tongue, sovereignty, etc, etc. And whilst I have the privilege of being able to go and back and forth between those worlds, because of the nature of being who I am, and because the nature of the work that I do, Action Stations role is to work in the quantum sphere. And so, part of decolonizing as it relates to the queer community is decolonizing our construct of gender and sexuality and so, in in our modern and today's [01:00:00] Sorry, there is no, there are no gendered pronouns. [01:00:05] We this year, which in common vernacular has been turned into our so when people sell sub l, that used to be back in the day, here I am. And so [01:00:17] we didn't have those distinctions between gender pronouns press colonization. But that's not to say that we didn't have roles within society for recognizing the strengths and the, I guess, the offerings on a kind of spiritual level of marijuana and monotony, and everyone in between. And so it's different. It's a completely different contract of gender to what we currently have. And so the way that that plays out in Action Stations work is that [01:00:54] we have done a couple of different things over the last couple of years. One is that when [01:01:00] A very small group of NT NT trends. Organizers were putting up stickers all around Wellington, saying shitty things. We crowdfunded straight posters to basic that just to show our love to our transponder and say, trans a foreigner trans beautiful. The artwork was done by who was it was gender minorities out to a sponsored the artwork and then we crowd we crowdfunded. Some of you may have given to $5,000, which Phantom posters then gave it to us at cost price. So we're able to put up something like 140 posters, giant posters all around the country, to show our love. And when, [01:01:42] when we made a press, [01:01:45] we made a what's called the media Council, the people there, Chris Council, when Rachel Stewart, who's a prominent anti trans columnists was a prominent anti trans columnist. We're sharing an awful lot [01:02:00] Eyes on the New Zealand Herald about transport. And we put in a complaint and that complaint was not upheld. But New Zealand Herald offered us the ability to have a rebuttal. And so we use that opportunity to gather the perspectives of 20, trans and non binary folk. And we collated that together in a piece that we've got published in the New Zealand here or because a lot of the time, the work of [01:02:30] the column will like the work of anti racism or anti transphobia or anti homophobia is about passing the mic to the communities that are the best place to speak about those things. And so, similar to the weaponizing, respectability politics, we had an end with the New Zealand Herald and the best thing that we could do at that time was to pass the mic. And some of the people in there talks about Pacific and Maori ideas of gender and sexuality and how they're a lot different to what they are today. [01:03:01] Yes, sir. So [01:03:04] picking up that idea that the al-mahdi [01:03:09] I guess holds a lot more space for the diversity that really just exists within [01:03:16] within accurate queer communities. [01:03:19] There's a story that I'd like to share [01:03:23] that some of you may be familiar with the [01:03:27] the story of human one through tonify. [01:03:30] It's kind of it's generally touted as the the absolute most romantic heterosexual relationship story there is. [01:03:40] And so the kind of [01:03:43] the story as it was translated, [01:03:50] kind of when the the early missionaries were translating some of the [01:03:55] the stories that were being told by Marty at the time [01:03:59] and that is [01:04:00] The current sorry, the currently recognized story for those of you who are not familiar with it is basically that he anymore was hi born and done Akai was not and so via [01:04:15] the relationship was kind of not encouraged. [01:04:20] And so [01:04:23] he anymore being the strong, independent woman there she was [01:04:28] decided to swim across Lake Latour [01:04:33] to Mongolia [01:04:37] in the middle of the night, to reach to Tana Kai and they [01:04:43] consummated the relationship and with this force fourth, allowed to do whatever they were doing. [01:04:51] And so it's, it's very romantic because of course they were both extremely beautiful [01:04:56] and they [01:04:59] they're lovely. [01:05:00] overcame all social obstacles and the very physical obstacle of the like, in the middle of the night. [01:05:08] And so [01:05:12] only last year or the year before I discovered some writing by Maria de Kotaku. [01:05:23] And what she had done was found the original transcript into the Ahmadi. And from there she taken inspiration and in kind of written a different version. [01:05:35] But that original transcript transcript is the first written record of the tomb bachata boy. And at that point, it was meant to indicate [01:05:49] a [01:05:52] like, [01:05:55] sorry, I've lost all my words. basically like a lover of the same sex [01:06:01] And so the the alternative offering from Nigeria at the airport to go is is kind of along the lines of well, the the servant who I forgot to mention earlier [01:06:15] to turn a guy's servant who [01:06:18] just went around everywhere with him was carrying a calabash that he knew was smashed in order to get to a guy's attention. [01:06:29] He is referred to as Dr. Baca Tapui. So I don't think Steven is quite the right translation. Yeah. I could be wrong. [01:06:39] But, you know, we kind of received even just from that single point, that the, [01:06:47] the [01:06:50] the role of translating our stories was, [01:06:55] was taken on by the missionaries and they had their own [01:07:00] To worldview and their own beliefs and their own interpretations, so even [01:07:06] even if it was entirely innocent, they, you know, they saw these two guys and they spend all their time together, but, you know, one of them's shorter who's probably the servant. [01:07:23] So [01:07:25] yeah, we can, we can really see that. [01:07:29] I think Dr. Marty just has so much space to offer to the queer community. [01:07:38] And [01:07:41] yeah, that just [01:07:44] we are all really welcome into our modeling. We don't have to do anything for that. [01:07:52] And yeah, in the process of decolonizing [01:08:00] If we have not in fact Ababa or indigenous fucka Baba and then of decolonizing the systems that we're living under [01:08:09] there are so many gifts of space and acceptance that we will find there because colonization doesn't actually benefit anybody except in really practical upsetting way [01:08:21] but in a in a hot way [01:08:24] Paki are not benefiting from colonization in yourself or you know, I'm [01:08:31] thinking [01:08:35] this story was shared last night at the pride indigenous Maori music have been to where they say that Taylor row of purple the MP for Gro Rafferty at the time, shared that story in Parliament, in why he was watching in support of marriage equality with the stories and the culture of [01:09:00] Check the top of acceptance and marriage of having been lost through time. And this is something that he was proud to, [01:09:08] you know, represented in sort of, you know, say, Hey, we're reclaiming this is not going against the Christian faith versus saying this is who our people are. [01:09:23] Angela, Tanya [01:09:26] and [01:09:30] I [01:09:33] think a lot about the Yeah, the sort of the particular focus of the work that we do it just speak um, has been articulated really well by Bessie Kate and Laura in terms of connecting Tamati with a way of understanding how we live in support of people of [01:09:53] people want to love who people are with their identities and and that respect and understanding and ways of working [01:10:00] To give a bit is a different way of so the justice system is a reflection of the way that we treat people who we don't think matter. And in that respect to the figure, the fixed everyone, but it also reflects these underlying attitudes that that bleed into how people in the queer community have been treated and continue to be treated. [01:10:18] You know, by the the kind of intersexual patriarchal systems that are, you know, also part of colonization as well. So they're big, you know, big, big systems, they've all it's all obviously connected [01:10:32] at a sort of specifically, but when it comes to the the money that we do, just speak, I think [01:10:38] lots of people carry privilege in different spaces. And many of us, you know, we're not always aware of that. Some of us obviously carry a lot more of it than others, and I would put myself very much in that category. [01:10:53] But I think what we have the power to do is to know that the spaces will we do carry privilege or we do have capacity to have difficult conversations. [01:11:00] To sit in discomfort, and to raise the issues around those punitive attitudes and that racism that we all that's the water that we swim in, it's the air that we breathe, so we can't deny it. We are the opportunities that we have with the access to the spaces that we do that we can raise that and we can make an impact in raising debt for those who are most affected by those deeply punitive, racist and locked up systems. So that's a really high level answer. on a practical level, you can always volunteer with just basic [01:11:32] and yet again, get behind the clapper of weaponizing whatever respectability politics you engage in or don't. [01:11:40] But yeah, I think all of our struggles are connected. So at a really high level, I think it's awesome to help people facilitate spaces where we just acknowledge that and talk about what we have the spoons for, on any given day and beyond our own struggles and the only things that we will face to support others who are also struggling [01:12:01] In terms of a project, I think, clearly these issues of discrimination, belonging, inclusion, exclusion of very much familiar to the people in this room and so [01:12:16] for this year and definitely until September is we collecting information, I would love to [01:12:24] have people that would be willing to get a group of people together in a room, anything from six to 16 people, and we would come in and just have that conversation. [01:12:36] And we're very conscious when we do these, these meetings that to ensure that the power in the room sets with the people who are telling us their experiences, and it's why we don't call them consultations, because it's not the consultation. That was very much a conversation and is very much [01:13:00] about, you know, being able to authentically take what you're giving us and to reflect as best we can, and the work that we do. [01:13:13] And we [01:13:15] try to be as transparent as we can with the word and also that we see our work is all the work because it's a public good. So when we have a strategy or whatever documents or literature reviews, everything will be online publicly available in if anybody wants to take the strategy and use it to develop their own programs that they want to use it for funding applications. [01:13:43] However, you know, policy development of them to be in government or local government and you think it's useful as the for you. [01:13:53] So, so that would be great. [01:13:57] It would be really useful as we [01:14:00] During a major hurry to hear from you, especially people that you know in Christ Church that you think would be really useful to have in the room [01:14:11] because we're trying to we're currently trying to get people to come along today and we want to make sure that we have a good mix of people in the room. So would love your contacts and suddenly Auckland and Wellington [01:14:24] but also around the country is we traveling around a fear people that you're connected to that week have been get a sense of what it is like to be you and given you know, or what is it like in Hamilton? What was it like in New Plymouth or someone? [01:14:46] So we've done kind of we've been down the West Coast and South Island and we really didn't get to connect with remote communities there. We've couldn't get the context we can't find them to be [01:15:00] We really struggled also with minorities there because a lot of them are migrant workers or they are afraid to speak [01:15:12] their employers. [01:15:15] Maybe I know it's understanding who some of them and so they didn't want to put them at risk. So even if they weren't migrant as such, but New Zealand citizens, so we did talk to some people definitely. But it was a struggle. So anything that would help that process, because we will absolutely anonymize everything that we hear like nothing like and we try to create an environment where people can speak the truth [01:15:49] in cheer in a way that's safe, so that's why our we will be by invitation because we can't afford to have a publicly open [01:16:00] And we will have, we're hoping to have around one facilitator per every group of 10 people so that the conversations can be done in a safe way. [01:16:10] And then, as we move into next year and start developing the constellations, if you have any interest, like, again, we use our newsletters, that website and social media to say, hey, these are the three areas that we're looking to work on. And if it's of interest to you, or you know, organizations that should be invited into that space. And again, it will be by invitation. [01:16:35] Because we know that that the stuff is fraught, you know, and there's a lot of places where people might rub that in. And so facilitating it well, to make sure that it works is really important. [01:16:51] But yeah, so you can also go to our website as I see it and fill out our survey. [01:16:59] We'd [01:17:00] really loved it and if you want to share that and I think at some point we're going to share it through actual station [01:17:10] but the website is simply inclusive Altair it so it's really simple [01:17:16] and easy to find if you search so yeah we we really would love to engage in ways that you feel comfortable to engage with us Can I just say yeah one thing I forgot to mention earlier which is that I strange though forgot [01:17:34] about racism and pride so I was involved in hosting the give a little for the Auckland pride when banks was a banks that first it was banks wasn't it they first pulled the funding because the pride community [01:17:52] Maddy Tech Talk to me within the pride community in Auckland had gone along to the community Hawaii to say [01:18:00] We are not comfortable with police coming to pride in uniform. We're also not comfortable with corporatization of pride, we would like it to be of buying for the community. And, and so they asked police not to not participate, but just not to do it in their uniforms. And the reason that Marty were upset about police uniforms were for the reasons that just fits research that came out last week of showing because they had lived experience of that, [01:18:27] of that racism. And so, you know, all of these things pulled out their money didn't a bunch of other sponsors pulled out the money and in the community raise $30,000 to save it. And now this year, [01:18:40] pride has head Auckland pride has had more events than it's ever had before. [01:18:45] And more diverse of incentive ahead before and a wider range of events covering the full the full full coverage of Auckland, which Auckland is as a huge place. It's very spread out and there are a lot of sort of different [01:19:00] communities across the Oakland in this pride had more coverage than any other before because it was all fine for the community. And they also had 7000 people who joined the match, and none of them had to pay $5,000 to get a float to do it. And, and I just think that that's awesome. And I think that's very relevant to the conversation today because as some of you may have seen, banks have pulled out of this year's Willington international Pride Parade. And the history of Wellington is a little bit different, because my understanding anyway, is that Wellington international pride pride has been quite separate from the Wellington II Koi for quite some time and if it was sort of trying to cater to the split within the community of people who love a tank, and people who [01:19:41] are in love. [01:19:44] And so I think one of the ways like I'm sure people here have done a convincing that maybe like, please don't have to come in the uniforms. They could just come t shirts, but I think it's about really showing up for, for people when Maori say it because Maori are almost always the one saying it [01:20:00] Police eternia now 10 years often saying it, [01:20:03] but it's about yet showing up to say we support the stance that family and communities of color are taking. And, and maybe we Yeah, we don't need a tank enough. [01:20:19] Same hookah, which is something that [01:20:23] Laura has also been leading work on Bless you, Laura, which is [01:20:28] specifically relating to racism and policing, which is the response style. So the trial of police roaming around with massive military weapons, ready to respond to and probably inflame an existing [01:20:45] situation. And, you know, it's something that that modern Pacifica communities in particular raised really early on as a concern for me when when this was first proposed, [01:20:56] in response to you know, using the justification of the march 15 attacks, but with very [01:21:00] Automation is to help us threats, all those responses were connected and how they would actually address racism or keep people safe. And yes, I think that that's another really practical culpa that is happening right now. That is very urgent, where there is actually genuine risk to people's lives into the safety that we can all get behind particularly those of us non tentative anywhere in the room can go to AFI the voices of Marty have said we don't want this this makes us feel unsafe and this compounds the feelings, you know, that our research eliminated that is very well known already about lack of trust and and belief in knowledge that they're being treated very differently. So just maybe as like a [01:21:48] overarching, hopefully hopeful point, and how to adjust reintegrating how this kobato really does kind of Lincoln with [01:21:58] all of them. [01:22:00] The beautiful thing with with intersectionality [01:22:07] is first [01:22:12] worded by Kimberly Crenshaw, Black's legal scholar and activist. [01:22:19] The beautiful thing with intersectionality is that every bit of unpacking we do is unraveling all of it. [01:22:28] And so, you know, those little conversations with our father that's helping with destabilizing the terror that we're living in, with every conversation we have every person we connect with. [01:22:40] And every time we we wave in our active isms, and we say, Well, I support all the activism that the queer community are doing, and I support all the activism that the the modding community are doing, and all of the overlap and all of the activism of the disability community and all of it [01:23:00] All the things every time we engage with a [01:23:04] with one of these communities or causes, we are assisting all of the other communities and causes in building that momentum and destabilizing the things that are destroying our lives. [01:23:17] So that's really cool. We just, like do a little thing somewhere and it's it is over playing out. [01:23:25] And, yeah, thank you. Okay, so now I'm gonna start offering questions from the floor. But before we get into that, I just would like to say, may have noticed, he's not really that short. [01:23:42] It's not really an extension of his art. [01:23:45] But he's always at these events recording and it's really great to have this resource within our community. So thank you, first of all for being here tonight. But if you don't want to be recorded, if you want to ask questions, if you don't want to be recorded, bass come and say, Gareth afterwards and he will edit you out. Can [01:24:00] We'd like to kick off with a question over the bay. [01:24:03] Apologies. Can we say this is not a question is it's a comment. [01:24:11] Picking up from the Wellington international pride festival in the last two in the last week, a group of young activists including Mari and others, have said, we're not not really we're not comfortable with the Indonesian Pride Parade. But we want to offer a safe space to other people when their parade is going on. So an event has been organized for Glover Park, which is just near Cuba mall between 530 and 830, which is the same time as the pride festival. It's not a speeches, it's just a Hangout bring food. Music chat is a Facebook event where you can get details and it's a broad sort of grouping of people saying, if you don't want to go to Pride Parade or it freaks you out the place and all the rest of it, we people to give support and just chill [01:25:00] project I've got a pack tomorrow. [01:25:06] Sorry. Yeah, query pages page is one of the pages that co hosted. But it's also got support from organized our Tara and gender minorities. [01:25:17] And a couple of other sort of, you know, groups. So it's like there's a lot of people behind it. But the people who were talking about it didn't want to be facing social media attacks personally. That's why it's been done by the pages that are a bit more anonymized. Okay. Okay. Questions. Anybody have any questions I'd like to put to our panel, or further the discussion, short [01:25:44] question, which is for everyone, which I guess is taking your question to a more practical level, which is that each of you, what are some things around your co puppets that you think we could be doing to further and create spaces that we're proud of [01:26:02] For [01:26:04] today action collective quantity, if you are interested in [01:26:10] in either kind of hosting a workshop within your workplace or your volunteer organization or or anywhere that you happen to frequent, you can get in touch with us and we've got six workshop dates set for this year. Some of those are available for claiming. [01:26:31] And if you would like to, [01:26:35] to come along to one of our open community workshops, [01:26:39] you do we have a signup [01:26:43] know, you can come and talk to me and we can organize [01:26:48] contact details [01:26:50] and you're welcome to, to come along to that on your own or with your entire photo or with all of your flat family or, you know, [01:27:00] Bring all your friends. [01:27:02] Yeah, that's kind of a really [01:27:05] practical option. We're hosting these workshops, please come to me. [01:27:10] Yeah. [01:27:12] I'll just think about a little bit more. So I do have some my cards here. But if you go onto our website, we've got, you can sign up to get our newsletters, [01:27:23] email, newsletters, and also, there's a different thing where you can sign up to volunteer. [01:27:32] So a thing isn't of interest to you feel free to do that, or Yeah, take my card if you're interested in getting us contacts or hosting a conversation or any of the other things in Yeah, absolutely. Feel free to email me I love to hear from many of you and all of you. [01:27:55] So probably the most critical thing that I can think of now right now is that [01:28:00] So with tare rechargeable, we did four versions of this 10 week program that people ran through. And that was based on the idea that we would get mostly packet totally way to challenge online racism towards Maui and then match 15 happen and we widen that so that it was popular, also challenging racism towards people from Muslim and also refugee backgrounds. [01:28:23] And we always plan to do that they just bought the timeline up further. And since then, we've had approaches from organizations who wants to run similar ones for sis people who do that for trans people, and people who are able bodied to do that for people with disabilities. And because because the framework that we've developed with them, model that we've developed can translate to other issues, because it's essentially about deepening people who aren't directly impacted by an issues, knowledge on that giving them effective ways where they can [01:29:00] fictive [01:29:01] ways where they can have commerce that facilitate conversations about that with people so that the education part of the work doesn't have to fall on those people that are that are directly impacted by transphobia, homophobia, racism, etc. And so what we've what we're doing over the next sort of six to 12 months is with scaling that up. But we're trying to do that in a way that's quite sustainable, meaning that what we're doing is like a train the trainer's model, where we're taking that program and we're training people to run it in their own communities, on their own issues, and then adapting it in whatever way that they see fit for those for the communities that is there in that forum. Obviously, if you're going to do it for your system, you're going to do it for trans communities, then my recommendation is you do it in partnership with an organization that works with him for trans people, as we did when we were developing our program. But [01:29:51] if people were interested and you have facilitation experience, that is something that you could contribute to the work that we're doing. [01:30:06] I sort of feel like I'm struggling to give as great practical examples as everyone else. I actually do think that if you haven't done so in your workplace, your home with your family with your friends that treaty workshops are a really good and practical way to start unpacking your ways of approaching these ideas and are all of the ways all of them to unlearn. I think a lot of the things that we need to unlearn and there's much more to it obviously then learning about the history of the treaties, as MK has pointed out is yet there's a lot of other worldview stuff that goes on there practically for just fix Cobra think we're launching is this justice a surf project and we really keen to get people across the country to to sign up to hosting. It is particularly a little intimidating, but I think it's potentially really powerful as well and would really support people in particular who have fun or good friends outside of Wellington and outside of the liberal bubble. So [01:31:00] Maybe work with those people to convince them to help to be part of that club up or in to host those conversations because those are the communities that we need to cede. Those moments of change and, you know, potential Yeah, to radicalize them. [01:31:15] digitalize decolonize. So yeah, that would be great. If anyone is interested in it, then I also failed to bring any cards with me but I'm just basic [01:31:25] information contact measures pretty easily available online. And if you want it if you were interested in finding out more about that, then please do get in touch and the awesome woman has coordinated that project will will look you and I can probably add amongst all your organization's onto the Facebook event page so you can find them in one place. So cool. [01:31:45] Anyone else? Any questions? Anything? like to say? [01:31:49] Yep, sure. Thank you. [01:31:52] The work that I do in general so far is working with care experience young people and [01:32:00] I work in the US as well during the saying that one of the common things that I experienced in those communities are people who don't feel a belonging, but also they don't have [01:32:10] they don't have enough loving community education, find out people to help them learn how to make friends. And I was thinking about how these are some really amazing programs, they have food for you. There's a Hangout in a park. I mean, that's really awesome. And I was, as a newcomer to New Zealand, I was wondering, seems like a kinder place than the place that I come from, which is not Canada. [01:32:42] Canadians are probably lying there, probably from where I'm from. [01:32:46] But anyways, um, I was thinking about how how do you make it easy for people to get into these ideas, some of them are philosophical, some of them and they're all about connection, love, but [01:33:00] Have you come from a place where you've been beaten down, traumatized and so forth, that you don't have the strength to make friends and to show up at places? And I'm wondering if there's more, I mean, you're already doing so much, but I wonder if you could respond to that. [01:33:19] I [01:33:21] yeah. I so, I recently have been speaking with someone from the Red Cross who are one of those historical organizations who have like a really long fuckup I think it's 100 and something hundred 40 years or something. Anyway, they they brought in my friend to try and revitalize the engagement with youth strategy. And they've been talking to 3000 young people over the last six months and, and the report will come out shortly, but one of the insights she shared with me was that [01:33:53] young people really want ways to volunteer and be a part of community and contribute to the world that they want to say, but within that [01:34:00] groups that most wants to volunteer at care experience young people and young people with disabilities. And they're also the people that a lot of organizations do not adequately provide for in terms of like care and onboarding, and all of those sorts of things. And so [01:34:16] and so, one of the things we've been talking, we've been thinking about an action section after we did that, quote, unquote, or processes, right, is okay, so the value of menarche time came up again and again and again, in these conversations, how do we actually build an organization that's grounded on the values of menarche, Sangha, which to me is about when a person comes into a space, making them feel welcome with whatever it is that they bring into that space, and planning for that in very real ways. There's no way that you like, people who have experienced trauma will. Trauma comes up in lots of different ways and lots of unexpected ways. Even when you think that you have [01:34:52] a when you think you've been an eight, it's sort of like it never really ends, right trauma is a journey that you carry with you for a long time, which you're not [01:35:00] Do this work. And so, for us, what that looks like is when we're doing our campaign around serfs, which obviously was a lot of experience young people and children, but it was also parents who had had their children taken away. And is we made sure that we had budget to be able to pay for counseling, cultural supervision, whatever it is that the people that we're working with needed, we always made sure to provide food and real life events, because that's really important. And it's a real equalizer. It's a real comforter. [01:35:30] And to be honest, we were just really explicit with the people that we're working with. And we say, hey, trauma can manifest in really real, really real and unexpected ways. Do you have a plan for what you're going to do, if that comes up? And we would just talk to them honestly about that. And so I guess, yeah, if you're facilitating a space in which you're wanting to work with people who are carrying those sorts of trauma, I just think it's about being mindful and intentional about how you design your events, your processes. [01:36:00] to cater for the end and not shy away from it, it's more work but it's so much richer as a result [01:36:10] and yeah, I think it's really relevant to the the copper that just speak works on obviously because the experience of care not being taken from families has such a such an enormous relationship with who ends up in prison who is and who is incarcerated really rather than ending up in it's very active process. [01:36:30] So and yet those people who have who had that had those experiences are horrific Lee appropriate represented and [01:36:40] in our prison population, and also the young people who had the most understanding of what it takes to be part of a community what is missing from many people's experiences of the youth and of a community that would give those protective supportive factors that protect people from the predatory aspects of our justice system and yeah, and an apprentice [01:37:00] Just because always we started off actually a lot of our first events were kind of these camps were mostly hosted at type of tournament I, which really horrifyingly burnt down last year. And actually, no one has any spare money. That is a very good cause to give it to because [01:37:17] yeah, I think, Bruce, Joe and everything that has been noted there to create a space actually built by people who had people who had been, who were gang members who were young people who had been caught up in the care system, they were the ones who built that my life. So has it a really fascinating fuckup on that basis, as well. Anyway, we're very interested, I think just being at the time to do events that kind of built on that. [01:37:42] Those histories and tried to provide a space of inclusion and belonging, explicitly inviting people with those experiences to value that what they were bringing to it and to make the invite really open and really intentionally welcoming because I think [01:37:57] like lots of volunteer organizations, you do end up [01:38:00] People who really had privilege and speed time and capacity and not and people have frequently told them that the insights matter and what they did their opinions irrelevant. So they're like cool, I'll volunteer, good stuff to give. And while those we love those people, they're great. [01:38:14] It's also really important to make explicit space for those who Yeah, who come with a lot of trauma, but also a lot to give and as far as it food [01:38:25] planning at the office and support for those people and practically for us that looks like we decided to be in a position for someone or organization who is our kind of point person for volunteers and people who want to get involved in our work in a more ongoing basis. And that that menarche tongue, I think that that holding a space for that person to bring all the stuff that they will bring with them from their history in their interests in the the work that we do is really important to not to not burn people out to not push people out, and not to traumatize them. Yeah, there's definitely a process though. [01:39:00] is always more than we can do. Yeah. [01:39:03] In a kind of in an everyday sense, like this feels really kind of small and far away but [01:39:12] finding, [01:39:14] doing whatever you personally can within your capacity in every interaction you have with someone to show them an occupier and to show care and love and [01:39:24] and you know, be kinder to yourself so you can then have space to give that kindness on to others. [01:39:32] Sheer sheer food with with the people who come into your life, share your stories, share your [01:39:40] your time, your homes, your hugs with design. [01:39:45] And just, you know, every every positive community building interaction that someone is part of flowers out and ripples through to everything else. [01:39:56] And it's something that I've really learned through [01:40:00] Having kind of sometimes really drastically limited capacity myself [01:40:06] is, is that [01:40:10] every little thing you can offer is a huge thing. [01:40:15] And I strongly believe that the opposite to capitalism, and the fourth thing is community. And so every active community that we, we manifest is just slowly taking out all the risks. And we're, [01:40:32] we're building the world that we want to be living in. And we're sharing that with the people around us because it's impossible to build community without sharing it. [01:40:42] And so, yeah, even you know, if you, you find that you have no capacity to do any volunteering and you have no spare food in your cupboards and you feel like you've got absolutely nothing to offer. [01:40:52] You know, you have, you have your company that you can you could share with people [01:40:59] in [01:41:00] That's such a huge thing. [01:41:02] And then kind of like a stick on from there is acknowledge the people around you who you see doing it. Because [01:41:11] Yeah, it might just be, you know, a small thing, but it's all part of that bigger thing. [01:41:17] Yeah, I think menarche, Tanga starts really small and kind of reverberates out. [01:41:25] Thank you. Well, thank you very much to our panelists. It's been really nice to hear what you're up to and what's going on out there in the real world. [01:41:36] And as I cut my teeth, he would say, okay, ah, [01:41:43] okay, so Bix, would you like to [01:41:47] pose for us? I do some teaching in schools. I want to ask you [01:42:04] It only [01:42:06] a papa. He found the latter photo here toccata menarche, Tanga. Quito 289 Matthew moto Amin.

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