Maddy Drew - Out in the Park (2018)

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by Friday and [00:00:05] where the National Park pride festival, I've only just arrived. So sketching out with friends and some of the stores bumping into people I haven't seen for a while. And it's a lovely Wellington days a little bit of a breeze. [00:00:20] Yeah, that's lovely. There's lots of people. Yeah, it's huge. [00:00:23] So just arriving so what is your kind of initial impatient? [00:00:27] I don't know everybody anymore. [00:00:30] I'm so many people. So many people. This is awesome. Like, I think back to [00:00:37] coop in [00:00:39] those out from the square. No, no, before that. Before that. So Beckett, Beckett, Newtown school, we [00:00:43] have a new chance go fear because I grew up a new town and I went to Newtown school and I went to South Burlington media is and yeah, so I was going to the fear before I was, Well, before I knew I was queer, even if other people knew that I was. Yeah, it's just it's growing so much. It's so much some there's so many different people here. And everybody looks happy. It's called. [00:01:04] Now I was talking to some politicians earlier on today. And they were talking about the James Sure, since us change to include both ginger and identity questions. And then I thought [00:01:16] many you've done some stuff in the 15 stuff in the past. And you were responsible for the two tix [00:01:23] Yeah, yeah, I was. [00:01:26] I was one of the people involved for the two texts campaign to Gen, the census and 2011. So that was born out of about 10 years of engaging through every channel available with government departments, particularly with statistics New Zealand, obviously, Human Rights Commission, but we got to the point where we've been engaging and engaging, engaging, and they were changing, they weren't listening, that, you know, they might even agree with us. But then that say, it's too difficult, we can't do it. [00:01:58] So how I got it into it was, um, I went to university, and I was at the library one day, and they had a survey, like, you know, just a little survey, just little to use a survey. And the first question was, are you male or female, and I was like, This is stupid. They've got train students, they've got trained staff, they should be more inclusive, but also, what are they going to do with it? If if they find that 100% of the people who are filling out this survey, a female and they finally get a book more toilets, and because the only ones that have Q's a woman's ones? And that would actually be useful? But they wouldn't they would just go, Oh, that's interesting. Maybe I wonder why only woman filled out the survey, and not changing anything. So what's the value of the information? What's the point in collecting it and alienating people and they not using it? So I said this to a staff member? And they said, Oh, that's a very good point. And you know, talk to a manager and Oh, that's a very good point. And [00:02:55] bye by took my details like, hey, when way they came back, want a few weeks? And I said, are we connected that way? Because the university collected that way. And I'm so kicked off, but years of engaging. So you know, long story short, the University collected that that way, because the Ministry of Education collected that way, in the Ministry of Education, clicked it that way, because the government needed it that way, because it's just easier and collected it that way. And so yeah, started engaging with states indeed. And with with the two tix campaign, what we realized was that, if you get the question wrong, they impute the data, which means they make it up for you. And they've got a method for how they make it up. And it's, firstly, they try to use it from your name. And then they try and get it from your relationships to other people in the house, like, have you said that you're a mother, for example, then they'll they'll get your female, there's a whole methodology for making up. Finally, if I can't get from any of it, then they flip a coin. Like they, they if they actually flipped the coin, it's in the standard that's in the six standard. [00:04:03] But there was something at the bottom there, if I remember rightly, which said that if more than point, [00:04:10] point 1% of people got the question wrong. And it made the data and village and we will like he's out in. And so we started this text for six can find you gotta remember, this is the time of like the bill and been party like, there's going to be all our community who are going to do it to be supportive, and then it's going to be all these people are going to be like, to [00:04:32] I like six, I like it twice. [00:04:38] In Yeah, it was in the media. [00:04:43] We were all sitting in the crusher earthquake happened and seems this was cancelled. And [00:04:51] yeah, my heart goes out to the people in Christchurch. But I was annoyed that the census was cancelled, because we will sit for this, we were totally gonna room the data, because the data have been wrong all along. And what value is if it have been wrong, because I think it gets saying, we need to be able to compare and it's like, but the data is wrong, and you're using it to develop health services, and you're using it to justify political and policy decisions. And it's wrong. It's wrong, because there there are people who are not male and female or female. So there are six people in there are people in between and trans people, and you're excluding them. And what's the point? [00:05:31] So how long is that conversation been going on? [00:05:36] I mean, I, I only came out when I was 18. And it will have been going a long time before that. Like, I'm sure there are people around who would know. [00:05:45] More than me, like, Yeah, I just got involved through through unique human and to text and so on. [00:05:53] But yeah, if you go and have a look, when that when Stetson did start looking at changing the agenda standards [00:06:00] for the 2013, since they actually they cite the to text campaign is as one of the drivers. Yes, recognized by the government finally. [00:06:14] So what are your thoughts on Melissa James short, coming out and saying, Yes, they are going to put gender and sexuality questions in the same says, it's not going to be in this scene. So do you have any thoughts on that? [00:06:29] I think there's there's no value in doing the census of the information that you're collecting is wrong, because you're using a methodology that is seriously seriously outdated dress the same question that they've asked, since they started doing it. As far as I know, maybe it but you know, for for a long time. That's how they've asked the question, are you male or female? And that's it. And that's not useful. And that hasn't been useful for a long time. Why would you not delay the census and get the get the information? Correct. So I've tried to Christina paper form so that I can still take both boxes, and you call that 100 number, you push one to request by the forms, you push one to request them in English, you push one to request it for your household, and you enter the code that's on the leader that's been mailed to you. And you push hash, and then it cuts you off and see ring and say, Did it work? And they're like, ah, we don't know what happened there. Oh, we can't, we can't do it. Because you've already been used. And you're like, ah, [00:07:31] did they know? Did they put my number in the system so that when they deeply suspicious of me know, I think [00:07:38] this is the systems overloaded or broken or something. But surely, they're also points to that how flawed That is, if for instance, you don't have internet connections. And and then they suddenly saying that your numbers envelops, because you've tried once and it didn't work? Yeah, [00:07:52] yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, hello. [00:08:01] Bring on the next one, and bring on the engagement because there was a long engagement process around the 2013. One, and they ended up going with a question for the agenda standard. That was really rubbish. [00:08:15] It was kind of like bit taken consensus, but not got not answered consensus that just taking bits of what everybody had said and kind of meshed together. So the evidence internationally, this kind of agreement around the sounds that a toasted question is the best way to go. That's the most inclusive in the most useful in terms of the data that you can get out of it as well. So for health service and social service provision that clicks really rich data, like that's the stuff that we need. Yeah. [00:08:47] Yeah. [00:08:48] Just bringing us back to where we are today, which is F in the park. Why do you think these kind of events are important? [00:08:56] Because there's still there's still a lot of bigotry and and it's not just not just for the queer community, but for any kind of minorities who needs to be able to find people who you can relate with, in order to be well in the world. So finding, finding your niche is really important, and hopefully people are making connections here and I can find the niche

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