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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride nz.com. [00:00:05] Killer and welcome [00:00:06] along to this very special event held on the 50th anniversary of the Stonewall uprising in New York City. The uprising which began on the 28th of June 1969, is seen by many as a key moment in the birth of gay liberation movements and the bottom fight for LGBT I rainbow rights, particularly in the US but also around the world. In New Zealand, the push for homosexual law reform and equality had actually had begun years earlier. And so this event, which was called our Stonewall, Max the uprising in New York City, but also acknowledges and focuses on our local LGBT I rainbow people and events that have shaped our communities. So first, some introductions. My name's Gareth. [00:00:55] I'm Roger. [00:00:57] I'm well. And together, we're Gareth Roger. Well. So today's event is split into three parts, it will go for about 90 minutes. And the first part will be Roger and I, we're going to dive into the pride NZ audio archive and pull out some audio and just to give you some, a taste of some Wellington history and some Wellington activities that have really shaped our culture's here. Obviously, we can't cover all our histories and 30 minutes over five decades. And so we drawing some representative stories out. So that will be for the first 30 minutes and the world is going to be talking about what still needs to be done. Where are we now and what still needs to be done. And then in the last part, it's over to you if you'd like to comment or share a story you're more than welcome to come up and and share. But we would be great to hear your voices. Just a note we are audio recording this for Friday did start some will go online as an audio document. If you don't want to be recorded when you come up. Just say I don't want to be recorded and will eat you out. [00:02:09] Well, we see this event as part of a larger conversation inspired by the 50th anniversary of Stonewall in New York, but also inspired locally by default the founders recent Hawaii in January this year called fucking all pride Elgar and beyond. The Hawaii lead by Cassie haven't all came about after divisions within our communities relating to various issues, including police matching or not and the Oakland Pride Parade. Some of the take home messages from the hallway with the importance of dialoguing face to face rather than through social media, creating safe spaces for differing opinions, looking for things that bind us together rather than focusing on our differences. And using whatever privilege you have to support others. Define the founder is a rich, significant group in Wellington. It's a group that welcomes people of diverse sexualities and gender identity. It's believed by Elizabeth Katie, Katie and Kevin only back there for almost two decades and has tirelessly surrounded and supported our LGBT I rainbow communities. And our presentation will keep coming back to a whole variety of groups that have surrounded communities or become focal points themselves. [00:03:27] But let's start with a little bit about Stonewall uprising itself. The uprising was a series of spontaneous violent demonstrations or riots by members of the rainbow communities in New York City. The uprising was sparked by a police raid in the early hours of Saturday, the 28th of June 1969 at the Stonewall in now at that time, police raids on gay bars were quite common. So that happened every couple of weeks. The stone wall and hit turned into a primarily gay establishments in 1966 when three members of the mafia purchased the Inn and from that point, it was seen as a gaming you. At that time, it was the largest gay establishment in the US. And it was the only bar for gaming in New York City where they could dance together. Once a week a police officer would collect envelopes of cash as a payoff, as the Stonewall had no liquor license. So there was a real interesting relationship between the police and the bar itself. So why was an uprising half a world away so significant to New Zealanders, but also people around the globe? Well, to give you a brief explanation here is Peter Tatchell who was recently in Wellington at the relaunch of the Rainbow Room at Parliament. So the Rainbow Room here at Parliament is actually one of the select committee rooms in Parliament Buildings. It's really worth a visit, decorated with various rainbow flags and walk various flags and photograph excellent artwork paying tribute to our rainbow communities. Originally from Australia, Peter Tatchell is a British human rights campaigner, and was co founder of the Direct Action Group outrage. It was a fight back, first major fight back against police harassment about communities. And that was very important. But perhaps the most important thing that came out of the Stonewall uprising was the formation of the Gay Liberation Front, first in New York, and then other American cities, and then cities across the world. All these movements had one or two things in common. First of all, they had an agenda, not just of LGBT plus, right, but of social transformation. They wanted equality for a new higher level of equality, not mere conformity or assimilation to what existed vision of what society could be a new vision of equality that would benefit not just LGBT plus people, but also straight and sis gender people as well. [00:06:12] And early guy Liberation Front flyer from the late 1960s in the US rate, do you think homosexuals are revolting? You beat your sweet ass we are. So also three launch of the Rainbow Room here in Wellington was Sarah McBride. And in 2012, Sarah became the first openly transgender woman to work in the White House in any capacity. [00:06:39] It is incredibly fitting that this new and improved Rainbow Room [00:06:44] will be dedicated near the [00:06:46] 50th anniversary of the Stonewall uprising in New York City. Because one of the many, many legacies of Stonewall is the power of an individual act to reverberate around the world. [00:07:00] At a time when LGBT q [00:07:02] people find themselves under attack and far too many corners of the globe, including in my home country of the United States. The actions and the work here in the New Zealand Parliament have never been more important. Because for the last several decades, you all have been at the forefront of the movement for the rights and dignity of LGBT q people around the world for marriage equality to the globally historic election of Georgina buyer, you all have not just made change for people here in New Zealand, [00:07:33] you have set the bar [00:07:34] and challenge the world to live up to our highest ideals and to be our best selves. [00:07:40] So right from the early days of gay liberation street marches were used to create visibility and raise awareness and street marches were happening here in New Zealand to from the very early days. There's a really wonderful bit of television Footage from 1974 from June 1974, showing a young men with elderly father in Coromandel and that just about to march down the street and he's going to march solo in solidarity and it's going to be his own pride March which is really, really quite quite special. So what is pride? Very, very interesting Christian. He is a member of parliament Jen Loki describing what pride means to here and this is taken from February 2018. [00:08:27] Pride is a time of celebration and affirmation for people who identify as gay lesbian bisexual transgender into six tackles halfway IKE Tennessee era tan a female faculty, aka Ma Ma who Vika see Luella re re escp ne factor for female he Dre gender fluid gender queer, pen sexual, a sexual, queer, and Christian. And while we have come a long way, as a country from when homosexuality and trans people were criminalized, we are still a long way from fully realizing our human rights for many of us are moments of peace and our moments of celebration have been had fought for. So our celebrations and FX are often acts of defiance, as well as an expression of joy. And at times they are also all too often annex of mourning. [00:09:39] The Stonewall uprising influenced many in New Zealand, but it hasn't been the only international influence in the 1950s and 60s. Our communities was strongly influenced by what was happening in the United Kingdom in 1967. Two years before Stonewall around 150 people meet at Wellington central library to endorse the formation of the Wolfington Association and campaign for homosexual law reform. The group's name referenced Lord Wolfington who a decade earlier had chaired a committee and the United Kingdom that recommended homosexual behavior between consenting adults and private should no longer be a criminal offense. Our will fund an association soon changed its name to the New Zealand homosexual Law Reform society. They published a pamphlet that claimed that they were at least 40,000 homosexual men in New Zealand who need understanding rather than persecution. [00:10:39] Will the seeds of the law reform society can be traced back right the way to 1963. When that as part of Wellington's Dorian society, a legal subcommittee was formed to explore the possibility of law reform. Now the Dorian is New Zealand's first documented organization for homosexual men, although homosexuality was never mentioned in the clubs that official documents. There's also been other international influences to in the mid 1980s. spokespeople from the conservative religious right in the US were brought to New Zealand to try and stop homosexual law reform. In 2004, Destiny New Zealand brought over Martin Luther King Jr's daughter to oppose civil unions. She told a meeting in Auckland that her father didn't take a bullet for same six unions. And just recently, the International protest movement against police participating in private means has influenced pride activities here in New Zealand, particularly in all kinds. [00:11:37] debates about police and corrections staff matching tool Oakland private path resulting in a smaller but powerful grassroots March, one person that took part in both the Oakland hashtag our March and Wellington's international Pride parade was in PJ loading [00:11:56] the greens. We marched in Auckland pride, March. And I've got to say, despite the tensions and the sadness I have around the community dividing and imploding. It was beautiful. It was from my experience, it really felt like a difference of [00:12:18] walking and being observed by others and to being in a mess of community taking over. And I found it incredibly special. And I think there was a lot [00:12:31] of complexity in that. The tensions and the debate, and I really hope that we can bring the best of all together. And and I know there's going to be hard conversations, [00:12:47] a couple of supported police matching with does Smith and john Joseph, the first couple in New Zealand to be given a civil union license. JOHN turned 90 this year and days turned 80 this is one of the things founders of the lesbian and gay fear and Wellington, the forerunner of the out of the park. Here they are at the launch of this year's pride festival. Going back 30 or so years, they were just 10 stores at the fair at Newtown School of fear for a fear law. And it's come a long way. Thank goodness, [00:13:19] just remembering the very first fear and the battle. I had to hold it a new town school Hall. [00:13:26] The headmaster said no, [00:13:27] but there was a woman on the on pathway administration of the Newtown school. And she say did [00:13:35] did you ever imagine that you would be able to walk down Courtney place or on the waterfront and see rainbow flags and go past the airport and see a huge big rainbow on the front? No, no, I didn't [00:13:46] even think about that. [00:13:48] I was very lucky to get our flags and things around [00:13:51] the new town. And I remember the taking the posters around to different shops to display and the flag of got from some of them. And so will you both be marching in this year's Pride Parade? We will. We will [00:14:06] definitely. Oh yes, we'll be there. [00:14:09] We didn't match on the first one. We got [00:14:11] Rotten Tomatoes. Check that up. [00:14:13] And I'm very, very happy to march with any policeman [00:14:16] in uniform. Over the police head. [00:14:18] We under pray bride and a new new york police department jockstrap. So that's [00:14:24] all you're wearing a jockstrap and ahead. [00:14:28] No, no one wants to see an old guy like me but [00:14:36] in the lifetimes is and john have seen attitudes towards LGBT Iran that he will change dramatically. In so to his the late, Donna de Mello saw a huge change in her lifetime. In an interview from 2012. Donna remembers how poorly transgender people were treated back in the 1960s and 70s. Quote, transgender people were the face of gayness because gay men could run hide behind the male codes. We were the ones who got picked on. So Donna was born in Auckland in 1946. She ran away from home on Queen's Birthday weekend, when she was just 13. She moved to Wellington as a teenager in the 1960s sleeping for the first two weeks in the toilets of the Wellington railway station. She worked as a waitress at common repairs La Belle con nightclub, as well as doing six work. In 2012, Donna talked about how she and others were targeted by some in the police force. [00:15:34] If you're different, you don't go near a placement because they got onto themselves. You know, there's one here that used to arrest me nearly every night of the week, you know, take me to the sales and make me dress and dress for every person that were there. And then to make it his business, I'd fall asleep to wait till the next lot came on and they might wake me up and make me do it all over again. And there was nothing I could do about it no matter how I produce that there was nothing I took do it bad as he was God. You couldn't if you they hit say, Get in the car and not separate I've done nothing wrong. It's I get in the car, I've done nothing wrong. You don't get in the car Have you at for for him bring a placement and his line of duty. So I get in the car, and he'd make his drivers because he always had underlings with them and they'd be the ones that he'd make a race may not him. And he'd make the guys speed off. And of course, we're talking 60s United 63 456. And there was no seat belts and he tear make him tear around at 80 miles an hour around the streets. And I hated spit and he knew your Achilles heel shoes. He knew it to speed unless I'm in charge of a microcontroller. And he'd be abusing me corner me a shirt and after which I didn't even know what it means I poor Porsche and calling me names and Does your mother now you're a fucking freak. And, you know, in fact, some nights I do that sort of thing. You know lyst used to really upset me and then he'd make him pull into a an alleyway and turn on the lights of course it's dark and then I turn on the inside light. You can see yourself in the in the window of the car, and he pushed my face and and push it and push it and push it into the window until I see it back off or big or something go gotcha. [00:17:16] And the risk, a risk the risk that [00:17:20] you know, that's what they called you. It was the thing. [00:17:27] Amanda loja had previously recounted a story about the brutal beating of Donna in police custody, and how our common repaid took that data back out on Cuba street dressed to the nines and Carmen said to her, don't look down. No matter the pain, the matter the tears. Don't look down. [00:17:45] Carmen's legacy is still felt strongly here in Wellington. The rainbow crossing on Dixon Street was launched in tribute to her and October 2018. She appears on the pedestrian crossing lights and Cuba Street and some of the most significant town were gifted to pop up after her death in 2011. Commons legacy also lyst brightly in the people who knew her people like Regina Byam, Georgina said that one of your proudest moments as a member of parliament was when she and the MPs Timbaland, Chris Carter welcomed Carmen back to Parliament in 2006 to meet the Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition. This happened during Cameron's trip back from Sydney for his 70th birthday. Her birthday celebrations were held at the boat shared by Frank Keates Park, Carmen was escorted by two muscle men who were personal servants for the lies. There was a God of honor the Australian High Commissioner spoke to Mayor of Wellington presented her with the keys to the city. Former Vice Squad detectives presented her with the order of the pink policeman's has a real police helmet painted pink complete with feathers. [00:18:57] Well, two people that regularly perform at Carmen's nightclub icon were Johnny crockery and Tony Roget. Johnny also used to take part in the devotion parades with his dogs in the 1990s. [00:19:12] Well, my pits Yes, I'm rather crazy that they're not really my pizza, my children. Their Maltese, Maltese dogs, absolutely divine, I would take them on the flights. When I was doing the devotion parades in Burlington. They always look glamorous, they always set and well with a white fox for because they look the same as but they were alive. [00:19:39] Is that they're rather wonderful, but [00:19:42] very, very gay looking dogs there. Yeah. [00:19:48] It seems as though as they pass on to their reward in heaven, I seem to be blessed or whatever you like to call it was more that arrive. I think we just got around that people who can't cope with them anymore. They know that there is somebody who can and I seem to collect them. [00:20:07] Yeah. [00:20:09] Well, Johnny worked quietly and tirelessly as a volunteer with local HIV AIDS communities. He did one on one support, but also can be seen regionally. Collecting on World AIDS Day often fear welling people with a signature have a gay day. The community response to New Zealand HIV AIDS ramped up in 1983 when Bruce Burnett and nearly activist and educator returned to Oakland from San Francisco. [00:20:38] So Bruce began a one man tour of the country attempting to educate gaming on AIDS. running parallel to Bruce's tour was the formation of the nationwide aids support network was established by Bruce and other community members around the country and unwilling to invite people like Bill Logan and Phil Parkinson. By 1985, the AIDS support network again go government funding and head on the undergone and organizational shift and so became the New Zealand AIDS Foundation. A couple of years later, local journalists Tom McLean began documenting his life with HIV AIDS in his book if I should die, Tom noted that in New Zealand in the late 1980s, the life expectancy of a person with AIDS after the first bout of pneumonia was just nine months, less than 10% advise those diagnosed with AIDS and New Zealand in 1990. We're alive five years later. Well, he's Richard binge talking about what it was like in the late 1980s here in Wellington, and also about the New Zealand aids Memorial quote. So Richard worked at the New Zealand aids Foundation's Athena center, and was one of the organizers for the beacons of hope memorials, displays of the museum, the AIDS Memorial quote, and also those devotion festivals and marches in the 1990s. [00:21:54] We didn't know who was going to die next. We didn't know who was sick next. There was a very strong sense of urgency, emergency guilt, shame, fear, shock, loss, and grief. And what happens internationally is that when terrible things happen to people, but when tragedy happens, and communities, [00:22:30] people get together. [00:22:34] When there's no cure, when there's no answers. [00:22:38] There's nothing else to do. You hold on to one another. And it creates groupings, and holdings, [00:22:48] and doings. [00:22:52] And so when the first clip was made, which Kevin referred to, was an expression [00:22:58] of love, [00:23:01] and grief, [00:23:03] but above all, the need to remember that his lover ever lived. Because if his body's been taken away, and cremated within minutes, [00:23:18] you have to have something to hold on to. [00:23:23] So the New Zealand aids Memorial code was established by the people with AIDS collective, which actually started here in Wellington and it was a willing Tony and Daniel fielding and others who established that in the in the late 1980s. [00:23:38] The first panel of the New Zealand quote was made by Daniel for his partner Peter Catholics who died in 1988. And other willing Tony and who worked tirelessly in the area of HIV AIDS was sister Paula bridge Kelly. And this audio clip, Drew Hedman, who was also heavily involved in the devotion festivals and bacon, hope memorials and the 1990s. Remember, sister Paula. [00:24:05] I remember the day I miss her. [00:24:07] I'd sort of seen her in the Athena center and thought she's into nice, older person. And I said hello, but I'd never had a proper interaction with her and one day we turn up for the condom packing. And there were none of the other officers into staff here. So she was on the phones. And I just about fell over. I had this beautiful smaller older woman just say, Well, yes, dear, but I don't think you were looking the toilet seat. Perhaps you were an NG it I started to describe roaming. [00:24:41] And I just stood with my mouth wide [00:24:43] f1 going wow. [00:24:46] I think the [00:24:49] Wellington rainbow communities and particularly the earthiness into, and all of us were so lucky that she was one of our team because she had humor. But she also had a real knack of getting people to come on board and getting people to do stuff. [00:25:09] So sister Paula reminds us of the importance of allies, with two churches that have been strong allies for rainbow communities and Wellington, St. Peters and Willis trees and sun Andrews on the terrorists. And this is a lovely image from 2016. This is the glamour phones performing. Gareth fires during these days, a choral work written to make the 30th anniversary of homosexual law reform. In 1975, the very Reverend john Murray became minister at San Andrews and oversaw the church as a center for social justice. And more recently, the Reverend Dr. Margaret Memon was prominent in fighting for marriage equality. But just listen to how the Reverend Dr. Susan Jones opened a recent service at St. Andrews, this is from last year. [00:25:58] Good morning. And welcome to worship at slanderous on the terrorists. [00:26:04] Service begins with the gathering words which are inside the front cover of the order. [00:26:12] In this place, all welcome, the tool, the shy and the out there. And this place all are accepted, sis and trains, gay, this straight and bisexual. And this place or [00:26:32] simply because we are all human beings in this place or honored for the struggle between commemoration and celebration goes on for all of us [00:26:47] all of the time. [00:26:50] And just imagine, you know, if all churches were as as open as Sunday, Andrews well, local rainbow communities have had other high profile Ellie's allies to including many of the recent means of Wellington. So we think of Justin least Celia, white Brown, Mark Chlumsky and Fran Wilde. And of course, Fran is a member of parliament was instrumental in passing the homosexual law reform bill of introducing it into parliament and then seeing it passed in the mid 1980s. And there's some lovely shots. This is Bill Logan, Fran and Allison Lori, who were really prominent activists and really fought really hard for homosexual law reform. This was taken in 2011. And that, in the midst of time, homosexual lower form stories to pop up some wonderful images. [00:27:41] One of the hallmarks of homosexual law reform in New Zealand was the way groups work together for a common cause. He is Elizabeth kitty kitty, who would later found to find a fella. [00:27:54] I was part of a coalition, the enough political groups that would work really closely together. So Marty package Pacific island with all sorts of different political viewpoints. And the real value for me, was that model. That said, we always looked at how we had similar interests and how we could work together rather than concentrating on what was different and, and made it difficult to work. And so what we would do is, is each of us would identify what were the key needs in our particular areas and our particular interests, and then the other groups will come together to support what was happening around law reform and basic human rights was something that affected all of us, no matter how we identified. And so I think, still to this day, that is how I feel I look at when I'm thinking around political action, as always look into how we connect, how we can work together, how we can support the issues that affect us in different ways. And also recognize that people need their own space, people need to be able to meet as Marty only is women only is lesbian or queer, or as trans to have the space as a just to support just to be able to free to be to be yourself to be free to be yourself. [00:29:13] But also, [00:29:16] to get that clear head space, you need to do your own thinking, I'm planning that the input to be able to come out to your allies and say, right, this is the focus for this, and this is how we can move forward and I think I still use that model today. [00:29:30] It sounds sounds fantastic. Sounds very, [00:29:33] that's very constructive. Yeah, we got a lot of work done. [00:29:36] I'm from a very young age of just thought. My life activism isn't a thing [00:29:42] I do in my spare time. It is my life [00:29:44] and everything I do falls into that as I like to say what do we get up for in the morning if not to change the world [00:29:52] there are many local LGBT I rainbow organizations that have been established and then dispersed over the over the many decades. So unlike heterosexuals, unafraid of gays or hug were formed around homosexual law reform. Others like get the gay association of professionals which is now called rainbow Wellington was about networking is about networking in social activities. The queer of injures formed earlier this decade after there was an increase in queer phobic violence on the street. The lesbian radio program, which is now called quoted, bananas began as a way of community building in a time before social media and smartphones. We had sports teams like the Amazons and the Crazy Nights. And then there are newer support and advocacy agencies like gender minorities, art era, and inside out. And then there are also individuals that have done both small and large actions. So people like Manny Mitchell, Chrissy, we talked who Pauling summons Bea Arthur and Billy Armstrong, and from the early part of the 20th century, artists like Robert Gaines and the writer Catherine Mansfield. If we go back 30 years to the mid 1980s, during the homosexual law reform, there were many inspired individual acts. For example, activists New Yorkers still having a passionate kiss on Lampton key in the middle of rush hour traffic, or Julie good listener and mixing Wilkinson, who you've seen this image here, sharing a passionate kiss during an anti Law Reform rally in Wellington Town Hall, in this made it to the paper of the next Tony. [00:31:29] Well, there have also been a number of other significant pieces of legislation that have had a real impact on LGBT I rainbow communities. The Human Rights Act outlaw discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, amongst other things. The civil unions act gave same sex and de facto couples the chance to be legally recognized the prostitution reformat, decriminalized sex work, affording sex workers the same rights and protections as any other worker. The historic convictions expanded legislation gave men and their families the opportunity to wipe convictions for certain consensual homosexual activity. The provocation defense legislation was repealed removing the gay panic defense from our legal system. And in 2012, Melissa walls marriage amendment legislation was introduced, [00:32:20] will this audio clip features of voices of young activists they were young back in 2012, fighting for marriage equality. And it ends with the light Helen Kelly, talking on the steps of Parliament. [00:32:34] My name is Bernie pack. And I'm very very father bill. It's just you know, a basic human equal right. My name is Joss and I think [00:32:41] that it is an extremely necessary step to the future of properly cutting out homophobia. Hi, my name is Casey and I am so supportive as well, because I think that is one really important step and getting full equality for queer people. I'm not [00:32:55] ready yet. I think it's fantastic. [00:32:57] I'm lesbian. And I guess I kind of just makes sense like in terms of not being discriminated against something that is not wrong on your control in any way. And it's just I know, I think it's just time it's time for us to move forward. Thank you, [00:33:25] thank you to coach I, the CTO is so proud to be invited to speak to this very important rally on this historic and wonderful day in New Zealand's history. This legislation is not only important for what it stands for the equality and the fairness that it brings. But it's also a chance for us to send the message a message to New Zealand young people that actually what is important, what is we're standing up for is love is friendship is equality. And as Venus that's what's contained in this and if more laws were brace based on those principles, vape would be a better place. [00:34:07] Recently, we to hear a speaker from the South African apartheid movement, he was talking about the wonderful contribution New Zealand has made to end the terrible system so far away when apartheid was oppressing millions and millions of black people there. The thing that struck me as he described it system was he said, the law, the law of the country told us where we could eat, what passes we could catch what schools we be into my god and even said who we could love and who we could marry. And he thinks this country for bringing an end to this sort of discriminate this discrimination there. And today, this Parliament a time to celebrate this parliament, it will bring an end to the discrimination here. [00:34:54] So on those same steps of the steps of Parliament in 2004 MPO Georgina Baya was confronting members of destiny church over whether we should have civil unions or New Zealand New Zealand or not. You in [00:35:17] the eye? [00:35:18] Why do you hate people? I can't [00:35:22] be real Christians. [00:35:25] Much more Christian charity, rather, people don't want seen from you today. [00:35:32] Each and every one of you I don't mind [00:35:36] your hatred. [00:35:41] Why do you [00:35:46] have a different the same rights as yourself? [00:35:52] You use [00:35:53] Christianity when you're in passing to your children, [00:35:57] prejudice discrimination [00:36:00] to people like me, gays and lesbians and other people who live [00:36:05] differently [00:36:06] by the law, pay their taxes. [00:36:09] Why do you do this to us? [00:36:13] You're not going to win You haven't? I have trusted New Zealanders. [00:36:16] The fact will be fair minded as I always have [00:36:20] been democracy. So I live and made it possible for somebody like me [00:36:25] to be here in this place, [00:36:28] serving the privilege [00:36:30] and service to people in New Zealand. [00:36:32] And you would deny me right. Why do you do that? [00:36:39] Regina via Georgina was born and raised in Wellington. In 1995, she was elected mirror of the candidates and district, the first transgender person in the world to hold Emirati. And then in 1999, she moved from local government to becoming a member of parliament, the first openly transgender Member of Parliament and the world. Among other things, Georgina fought for prostitution reform civil unions and gender gender identity legislation. More recently, she's traveled to the United Kingdom to speak at the Oxford Union. Well, we'll end this first presentation with a clip from the author Andrew Reynolds speaking in Wellington, talking about the influence of the LGBT I rainbow politicians, including Georgina, that the influence that they've had on the international landscape. [00:37:34] Outside of these boundaries outside of this coast land, there isn't a person I know who is not trans or is not gender non conforming or intersects. Who doesn't look to Georgina by as the iconic Gandy of the movement. [00:37:52] Being the first in the world, again, is a remarkable achievements. And her courage, her tenacity, her authenticity, see, transforms hearts and minds. [00:38:05] I don't want to be melodramatic, but we know that we're kids around the world, in places that are less affirming than in New Zealand, struggle every day with anxiety with depression with suicidal thoughts. But we know that when they see somebody in legitimate positions of power around them, they are reassured, they feel validated. They feel worthy, they feel they can aspire to something in the future. So every queer our elected politician in the newspaper on TV is life affirming. And to many millions of kids, that is life changing. And in many cases, that is life saving, because you see yourself as an authentic, real, legitimate person member of humanity. And you see pathway out of the difficult. [00:39:04] Andrew Reynolds talking at the launch of his book, The children of Harvey Milk, the book looked at regular politicians internationally, including many New Zealand ones, and the influence. Well, hopefully this first presentation has given you a bit of a taster of some of the amazing people and events that have happened within New Zealand and within specifically in Wellington. And we would love to hear your views afterwards presentation, they'll be a chance for you to comment and share. And we'd love to kind of hear your ideas as well. [00:39:40] But for now, [00:39:41] we're going to do a very quick change of the PowerPoint and then introduce will so thank you so much from bunch of myself for that first presentation. [00:40:03] Hello, everyone. Thank you all for coming. So we're all here today. Because in New York 50 years and one day ago, on June 28 1969, police raided the Stonewall and this was a routine practice designed to intimidate the undesirables who frequent to the bar. At a time when police brutality against queer people was not only the norm, but was an accepted and even celebrated part of means of societal control by the heterosexual majority. The same of police violence, the writing of the by itself was all very normal for 1969. But as we know, it was what happened next. That wasn't as the cops were forcing people into police vans, the patrons that were hanging around outside of the bar began to throw pocket change the arresting offices. before too long, spare change was followed by bottles and then by bricks. A crowd of angry queer people had gathered and with the majority of the patrons now outside of the by, they were able to force the police to retreat back into the stone wall in a tactical team eventually had to be called in to rescue the Police Squad. The street battle continues for another two nights and a blast of radical collectivity, trans and gender non conforming people. queers of color, witches drag queens here fairies, homeless street youth, sex workers and others took up arms and fought back against the generations of oppression that they had been forced to survive. 50 years later, on May 12 2019, police raided a queer bookshop by day by night name his and hyenas and Melvin at no stage that that I did they identify themselves as the police. They stormed into the apartment above the shop with the owners whistling been shining torches in their faces and making it impossible for the owners to identify the intruders. panicked Nick de Margolis, one of the boss co owners fled and was floods thinking that he was thinking that it was an anti gay home invasion, and he was subsequently arrested on the street. To quote the basket other co owners speaking on democratizes path. He said he could only see boots and rifles and was assuming he was going to be bashed or shot. He said he thought he was about to be killed. he sustained major bruising on his head. His arm was torn from its socket by the police and shattered and several places. And and he has since last full use of it. The police had mistakenly I must have mistakenly identified the marvelous as a suspect and a home invasion and project in case they apologized for the incident, but denied claims that they had failed to identify themselves arguing that the incident was recorded. No such recording has been since been made available. So here we have two cases of unwarranted administrative surveillance, brutal force and trauma at the hands of the police 50 years apart. What has changed, in my opinion, most significantly, the reaction to it the ways the anti queer violence at the hands of the police, as popularity understood has changed dramatically between Stonewall and now, despite the fact that I would argue that a lot of the violence itself hasn't. In the case of his and hyenas, they go fund me raise $12,000, the local queer community expressed an outpouring of support, and they gained some coverage and international media. However, there was certainly no mass collective rage, no response calling to fight back. And the story never made the front pages. nor was there much of an attempt to understand the raid and the broader context, the systematic violence that queer people do still face under the relentless force of the prison industrial complex. You might be critical that I've chosen to speak about some events that have happened overseas. You might argue that the police are not like that here. Certainly, I think it's important not to make generalizations or universal observations when it comes to history. And anyone who knows me know that I can complain endlessly about the a historical trends that Americanize us so much of queer history. But the very fact that you're all here today for an event titled our Stonewall shows, we often find solidarity internationally, because we share the same sites of trauma, pain and oppression. [00:44:45] So why did we riots in 1969, but not in 2019? That requires a very complex answer. But I think that a large part of it has to do with the lengths that the police force have gone to us queer narrative of history for their own ends. The police engage and what is known as image work, which is defined by academic MLK Russell as the activities the police force engaging to project positive meanings of policing in order to counteract the negative press, resulting from police abuse of power and excessive use of force. Police involvement and pride as part of this image work. The visibility of police at pride not only reinforces the idea that police are welcoming and inclusive, but it also contributes to the normalization of quaintness as something that can be continually policed and regulated. Police participation and pride today is positioned in opposition to past practices like that at Stonewall. And thereby constructed as being in contrast, more modern, adaptive and tolerant. Yes, police may have been like that in the past, then I have once been violent, but they have come so far, and they're just not like that anymore. homophobia and transphobia is constructed as a memory of unresolved pain for queer people. And memory that threatens the possibility of building positive police rainbow relations. The onus is placed on queer people to put these violence is behind us so that we can move forward. The task becomes to get over it as though when you're over it, it has gone. But you can't get over what is still happening. Somewhere people are more likely than others to be the target of continued violence. Those people are most often off color and trans. by their own admission, the police have work to do. The police continue to use disproportionate levels of physical force against Mallory. As of 2017 Maria 7.7 times more likely than Paki has to be victims of police brutality. Additionally, controversial double bunking prison policies introduced in 2010, have put transgender inmates at higher risks of assault. Despite arguing that they are actively trying to improve rainbow relations. In 2016, the police decided to drop their compulsory sexual orientation and gender identity training for staff. And in 2018, when asked by the open pride board, not to wear uniforms as a gesture of solidarity towards those for whom the uniform represented violence and trauma, they refused and dropped out of the parade. And yet, in Wellington, they marched as an organization in uniform. And in matching, the police asserted themselves as queer allies. But the statistics and the lived experiences simply don't back this up. This kind of image work was also really clear with their gods the inclusion of the Defence Force and Wellington pride, who had also pulled out of Oakland pride earlier in the year. It was the first time that a chief of the New Zealand Defence Force had marched in a pride parade in New Zealand. And it's one of the few times that it's ever happened globally. The Defence Force was celebrating 25 years since they began allowing openly homosexual men and women to join the forces in 1994. Many people work really hard to achieve that milestone. There are plenty of caring well meaning queer people who enjoy their jobs and institutions such as these which have an antiquated history and believe that the best course of action is to try and initiate change from within. And many cases, they've put a lot on the line to nudge their organizations along the path to acceptance. And I'll never understand the weight of that sacrifice. And not at all trying to knock those people. Squadron latest ups commented that knowing we have the support from the very top is encouraging and empowering, and sets the tone for an organization that values all of its people, no matter what what point of difference might exist. And that's his perspective. And frankly, I can understand how wonderful it does feel to feel that you are working in a place that accepts you for who you are. But that is only one perspective. [00:49:15] When the Oakland pride board made the decision to ban police uniforms, not the people under the uniforms themselves, they did so because they recognized that we need to balance these various perspectives and needs of our community. It was a compromise that was made after extensive community consultation that involved police representatives. Because the pride Ward recognized that all of us who are queer have a right to celebrate our pride in an environment where they feel safe. They determined that the inclusion of uniformed police officers meant ignoring the safety of some of our most marginalized community members, motorists, Pacifica and trans people most especially banning uniforms was meant as a sign of solidarity. Recognizing that not everyone has had the same positive experiences with the police. Because it's what the uniforms represent that matters. It's what the tank represents that matters. One attendee at Wellington pride expressed on Facebook their feelings of profound distress and anxiety when the tank came rolling down the street, having growing up in a family that had been victims of war overseas, and recognizing the tank only as a symbol of death, destruction and power. No matter how many rainbow flags you put on it, a tank will have always been designed as something that was intended to kill people. Corporate involvement and pride is also of concern. Among such business Fletcher's construction, we're also at the Wellington parade. Meanwhile, their co workers continued to plan the government approved development of housing near the protected stone fields with whom thou having recently cut off pallets of those who have lived there for the past three years in protest of this continued act of colonial violence. The government and Fletcher's have both been criticized by the UN for failing to uphold treaty obligations and contravening view and Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous peoples. Not only this, but Fletcher's and other corporations like Coca Cola, Russell McPhee, Vodafone, Westpac, and sky city have recently been scrutinized for the use of the rainbow tech as nothing more than a marketing scheme and mask behind which severe homophobic and transphobic bullying occurs. And RNZ article published in May detailed severe cases of homophobia and transphobia at these businesses to the detriment of queer workers mental health and safety. Several workers interviewed from these businesses had been bullied so badly, it drove them to contemplate suicide. One employee at Russell McPhee described the rainbow tick as a fast given that having a rainbow friendly workplace is not about having some workshops with a few stuff once, but rather, it's an ongoing thing. And it's worth noting that all of these rainbow set accredited organizations dropped out of Auckland's pride following the Board's decision to ban police uniforms. I feel that this is a clear indicator of where their loyalties lie. This is known as pink washing. The process whereby corporations, states, institutions and even whole countries seek to improve their public image by presenting themselves as queer friendly without actually implementing any meaningful change. It is part of a larger problem known as hormonal Nativity, the approach to queer rights that, to quote queer theorists Liza Dugan, does not contest dominant hetero normative assumptions and institutions, but upholds and sustains them, while promising the possibility of a demobilization constituency and a privatized de politicized gay culture anchored and domesticity and consumption. What this means is that as more rights for queer people are gained and there is more straight acceptance of them, the challenge becomes how do we maintain witnesses essential quaintness? How do we ensure that the activist roots of pride and assimilated into a globalized homogenous straight john dominated consumer driven culture while the straight majority now accepts queer people, there is an implicit assumption that we will act and acceptable ways as defined by them. Those of us who continue not to do so particularly trans people, and most especially trans people of color, whether or not by choice, and then those who are most continually placed in danger. [00:53:53] critiquing rainbow capitalism, and all the rainbow flags around town that it produces can be really difficult, because who doesn't want to see rainbow flags everywhere? I only came out five years ago, and I can hardly imagine how I would have felt when I was 17. For instance, beyond words, with parents, hardly speaking to me, seeing all of these shops flying rainbow flags, it would have made me feel sane. Sometimes it still does. And it makes so many others feel so happy. And our ancestors, the generations before me, fought so hard for us, lives were lost for us, people fought tooth and nail for me. And because of that, I am able to enjoy the wonder of walking through a city decked out and rainbow flags celebrating the thing about myself, which before now was openly shunned and hated by society. And it is so hard to understand how to create a meaningful dialogue about that progress. One that appreciates fully what our elders have done for us, while still giving us the space to critique what work yet still needs to be done. Think that part of the problem is that I will never, ever be able to truly fully appreciate what my queer elders have done for me, because I was never there. I was never there. And I can study it and study it as much as I like, I'm obsessed with it. I will assist with queer history and assist with understanding, trying to understand what my queer elders have done for my generation and how what I can do for them. And I've been chasing this intergenerational connection and community, and I still will never be able to truly understand the sacrifices that were made, what it really meant to be there. So all I can do is speak to my own experiences. I consider myself lucky, because although I am trans, I am white and I am right as male and that doesn't mean that I have certain privileges. Compared to my friends, siblings, I am not often made to feel uncomfortable or uncertain. I was livid to Wellington on the promise that it was a queer city, and then I would feel at home here. When Wellington City Council announced their plans for a rainbow crossing on Cuba straight, I was really excited. I thought it was going to be a great way to pay homage to Wellington's queer history. And I was pleased at the opening to hear Grant Robertson talk not only about common, but also Chrissy choco, and highlight the leadership of trans women of color and our communities and in our history. But it wasn't long for the crossing was covered in black skid marks. And this crossing, which was designed to make people like me feel happy and safe, very quickly became for me, just another reminder of how much people can hate me. I see it, and I see the aggressive skid marks on it. And I remember all of the times that people have yelled at me from cause I remember how terrified I felt when I transphobic ex coworker, three sons me from across the road. I remember my friend show me the broken glass on the street outside of their flat. women had throwing bottles at them the night before, because they couldn't tell if they were a boy or a girl. I remember the smile on the face of the man who wouldn't stop beating me. And now he and his friends laugh with each other while their boots crushed into my back. The Crossing has just become for me, another side of antiquated violence. Another reminder of how much people hate us. And equate violence still happens. But we are no longer allowed to call for change. We are only allowed to celebrate diversity. We are told to be patient to bring people with us. And that this is about finding the middle ground that the police and the corporates are trying that they'll stop trying if we exclude them, that they have a right to march with their logos too. But this language of balance and competing rights ignores the fact that there are people who are actively campaigning in New Zealand to remove pre existing rights for Trans and Queer people. It ignores the fact that the issue of anti queer violence still exists, and it is life threatening. We're told We've come so far if we push any further will push people away. But we are not given access to resources or to education, we are given representation. We are solar products, the illusion of equality, and that is ultimately empty. [00:58:35] Absolutely, in so many ways, as queer millennials have never had it so good. We are the generation who will see HIV eradicated, we have to worry far less about getting beaten up just for walking down the street. We've gained visibility and we have the opportunity to even have conversations similar to this one on the front pages of our national media. And we owe it all to the generations that have come for us. But our fight is not over. It looks in many ways very different in 2019 than it did in 1969 or 1986. But the point is, is that it is still raging. To suggest the queer millennials don't face brutality is or dangerous at all, is simply preposterous. And particular I really want to highlight today that there is still a global epidemic of violence against trans people, and most especially against trans women of color. And out here, there is a movement to criminalize and dehumanize our existence. This primarily takes two strands in one camp we have the classic right wing extremist movement, spearheaded traditionally by the likes of fundamentalist groups like family first and Disney church, but now complemented by the efforts of neo nazis, such as the Dominion movement. The second strand is in some ways more nefarious as they come from our community. They are known as trans exclusionary radical feminists, named as such because they exclude trans women, trans people from the definition of feminism. They include groups like speak up for women who advocates for a twisted feminism that argues that an image facing woman trans women are raping womankind and placing women and girls in danger. This is despite the fact that international and local research confirms time and time and again that transgender women experience far higher rates of discrimination and violence than non transgender women. Tests are small but vocal minority with a relatively powerful Media Presence. Member of Parliament Louisa wall spoke at the last public event. The current campaign is against the best GIFs marriages relationships registration bill, which simply makes it easier for trans people to a thumb and they legally at least document accurate agenda. they criticize this bill because they believe that trans women actually men and that print it and that allowing people to self determine the agenda. Biology will become meaningless and predatory men will be allowed to change the record agenda willy nilly in order to prey on Women and Girls and bathrooms. I use the word believe because despite claiming to be evidence based on their website, speak up for women never actually ever, ever cite any evidence to back any of this up. Although trans exclusionary radical feminists generally claimed to be left wing, they are heavily supported by and work with traditionalist life right wingers like family first, the most recent vocal attack on us was by an affiliate of family fest and registered secondary school teacher Helen Houghton, whose petition to stop transgender teaching and schools was presented to Parliament in April and gained over 35,000 signatures. They claim that teaching children about gender promotes gender discordant behavior and thereby interferes with nature. [01:02:12] Most of the time, when I'm asked to give his speech is generally about queer history. And I go to great pains to tell happy stories. Since popular tellings about history. So love to focus on only the tragic parts. This is one of the first times that I've ever been asked to speak about what I think about today. And I wanted to write something that was equally exciting. And of course, there are loads of groups who are doing such important work that I could highlight, gender minorities out arrow facing down all of this overwhelm and transphobia coming from every side. And to six trust out hero in said, fighting the so often unrecognized fight for intersects lives, to find a finer as Gareth and Roger said, really holding the community together, and doing incredible advocacy work and bringing with them there must be wonderful songs, Gareth and Roger themselves, who work tirelessly to preserve the voices of our community, and in doing so an act of very powerful form of resistance, refusing to allow our voices to go unheard, undocumented and raised. Just earlier this year, I was privileged enough to go to Inside Out shift who he and I was so inspired by the wrong attire, he aged 15 to 20, who were all so sweet and so lovely, and clearly so comfortable in this queer safe space that the organizers and volunteers had so lovingly put together. They spoke so eloquently of the issues that concern them, and I'm so excited to work alongside them in the near future. I don't mean to sound hopeless, because I absolutely am not. But I felt that the most important thing that I could do today was to underscore the fact that we have not yet achieved liberation, that is yet to come. And we owe it to our community members today to keep pushing forward. wants to return to a quote I had on the screen before I began talking. JOHN Nestle, a lesbian activist and historian from the United States wrote, one of the lessons I have learned and trying to live with history is that for every reparation, we have found a suitable form of resistance. Our history is the chronicle of our vitality, our passion, our cunning, and at many times our integrity, we must now work out a way by which we can honor both the Old and the New, we must look for connections rather than judgments. I hope in my reflections today, that I have on it, this commitment to speak without judgment, but instead with a sense of urgency, and with insistence on the honoring the voices of both the Old and the New, there is surely no better way to honor all of the work that the generations have come before mine, and what they have achieved for our benefit, then by continuing to fight for what is right. We fight today because that for for us yesterday, the revolution our people deserve has not yet concluded. Thank you for inviting me to speak today. And for you for coming to listen. [01:05:28] Well, I have so many thoughts going on in my head. It's gonna take me weeks to, to unpack that all. Thank you will so much that was that was really thought provoking. We really appreciate that. Thank you. Now is your opportunity. If you'd like to say a few words, if you have any thoughts on what what you've heard today. Any thoughts on where we're at? Please, you're more than welcome to come up and share. I'm just reminder that this is being recorded and will be online, if you don't want to be recorded, just say so. And we'll do that later. But, um, does anyone want to come up? [01:06:10] Karen, I just wanted to thank you guys, [01:06:13] it was really amazing. [01:06:16] Got me cry. [01:06:19] Um, I guess one thing that like, I always want to hear more about as the place of like, [01:06:25] indigenous ideas about gender and sexuality and how they fit into our [01:06:31] narrative of liberation. [01:06:37] I just don't know enough about it. But when I didn't have from caring people, like know who we are to our quotes crew, is that things used to be real good for colonization. [01:06:51] Yeah, that's just my comment. Thank you. [01:07:02] KJ, just like to thank you both for your presentations really thought provoking. And also, it was, it was great to look at some of the memories that were on the screen. I think it This changed tech slightly in terms of my response today, at the time of methodically at the moment. And so it's one of those occasions where we not only remember the past, but we look to the future about our aspirations for the societies that we want to live in. And I think these are some of the things that have come through today. And I am to the top way, so for me, what are the top three means is that I have a I have a connection both to the LGBT I side, the community and I have a connection to the the multi site of community and so for me, taka taka is is about realizing that there are things missing in my life that have not come to fruition yet. So what that means is that on my mother's side, there are things that need to be addressed. That makes it safe for me as target aqui to exist in this country. And in the same way, as a gay person, there are things that needs to be realized for me to feel safe in this community. And so I wanted to just reflect that, the that the revolution is never complete. Because we could go through our different lives, and we have different aspirations in our different times during our life. So that's why I think it will never be complete, because our aspirations will always aim for higher things in our society. And I just wanted to reflect that back in response to the call it or today, from the perspective of of indigenous is perhaps there were times when things were great. But I'm looking forward now, in terms of how it should be going forward. So for me, I know that there are issues within our modern culture that need to be addressed, in terms of how safe is it to be who we are on the motor, I really, and that's a big challenge ahead of us. Not quite sure how that's going to go. But we all have our different voices, and we all have our different lives. And I guess where we intersect is we we come together as a community typically sit. So I agree on some things at high levels. Things there's are so many things going on, I think, well, I'll just concentrate on the thing that I can can make some influence on. [01:10:18] Thank you, Kevin. Anyone else like to [01:10:24] go on the record, but my thoughts are very much in flux. So if somebody places back to me to 50 years from now, I'll be long did [01:10:40] first, [01:10:43] just do remember how far we have come. In night when the homosexual Law Society was founded. A Christ Church branch was formed. My mother was a foundation member. Please don't clap because she was in denial about me. And I was a mummy's boy. And so I was in denial about me for a very long time. But at that meeting, somebody asked rhetorically, not say here now, my mother always used to say, always answer a rhetorical question. Never answer an implied question, like somebody who's been an advocate? [01:11:45] Well, somebody asked rhetorically, you know, to indicate how bad things were, who here would stand up and say, I am homosexual? And as my mother reported it to me, she said, and, you know, some phone calls up and says, I am? Either that one full think of that one for in 1967 was it? How brave they were, how unique they were, what a pioneer. They were. Got my head for. So that's the one thing now will thank you very much for your presentation. That, you know, it really tried and have succeeded in shaking me out of my complacency. [01:12:41] Because [01:12:42] as you may have seen on Facebook, I had strong reservations about that armored vehicle, it wasn't actually a tank, it had wheels, and it didn't have a big gun on top. It was they call it an la VI. But it had a tiny little rainbow play on it. I thought what, and also this, I sort of looked around this [01:13:04] great big thing was [01:13:07] like machines have come. But you know, it took that to shake me. But you made the point that all this corporate branding, all this and you know the commodification of gayness, and, you know, all the issues you raised were very, you know, pertinent. And because before you started, I was thinking, what, what if the pride parades pride committees said, okay, you can come in the parade, but you've got to have more diversity, more Rainbows, more unicorns, then you have branding. But what you've said, you know, as you said, doesn't matter how many rainbows you have, if the lights if the underlying thing isn't isn't good if they if the rainbow tick doesn't mean a damn thing. So thank you very much. And I know we've come a long way. And we've got a long way to go. Thank you. [01:14:27] Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to say [01:14:31] a word or two? No. [01:14:35] I think that was our session this afternoon to a close, I just like to before we close, acknowledge those activists who have gone before us, but who are no longer with us. I'd like to thank those who've spoken this afternoon, I'd like to thank will very much for his amazing, amazing talk. I'd like to thank the terror tramping club for allowing us to use as a whole. And most of all, I'd like to thank you all for coming along. And join us for this commemoration of our Stonewall thanks very much.

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