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[00:00:00] This podcast is brought to you by pride in a.com. With generous support from the rule foundation. [00:00:07] I am not a Chinese and Scottish come from Oakland born and raised in Oakland. I come from a family of four. [00:00:16] And a huge extended family. [00:00:18] What's your earliest memory of someone else being gay? [00:00:23] Someone else probably in the music scene in the 80s. I really didn't know that they were gay. The term gay you know what I mean? I just thought, all that looks exciting. It looked dangerous. But I look like family. Clean village people. So larger than life, you know, the costumes? And the color? I think the color is what drew me? [00:00:51] And what about in your own circles? So like, I'm family want a family? or friends? I mean, did you know anyone who was [00:00:58] gaming? [00:01:00] Not so much. No, not that they were out. [00:01:04] Definitely. And simply I didn't know that the team that was the team that was to be used. So I had no idea I just thought what I what I was going for it was normal. [00:01:15] What were you going through, [00:01:18] I suppose an identity because I knew where I fit in the family. [00:01:24] But as far as my sexual identity was concerned, I didn't know where I fit. [00:01:30] Because the nominal body family as you get married, you have four children, you know, you give you give the grandparents and Hmm. And I didn't fit into date. Because my brother was married getting married, my sister was married with a child and being a third child in line of it. I'm [00:01:49] not it's not for me. [00:01:52] So what kind of age did you start having those kind of thoughts? [00:01:56] all quite early on. [00:02:01] Actually, not so much thoughts. I had the experience probably when I was [00:02:06] nine or team level, we're just playing around, you know, one thing led to another and [00:02:14] and something happened. [00:02:18] In the first I didn't quite really know how to take it. So I sort of just brushed it off the foot childhood experience, you know. [00:02:25] But then it came up again, in my teens and after. [00:02:30] Quite like [00:02:32] I don't Oh, and I thought why should I fight it? [00:02:37] There was in my teens. So I think probably the first experience would have been [00:02:43] nine or 10. [00:02:45] But I would have had I remember having having thoughts of what they called gay thoughts. Now, probably when I was five or six, you know, looking at. And I remember my uncle used to have PDS magazines. And I used to when we used to get his house, I remember reading them looking at the pictures, you know, and nothing is nothing is to happen to me when I looked at the picture of a naked woman. But when when a picture of a naked guy came Oh, wow. You know, there's a big world out there. [00:03:24] So did you have trouble accepting that side of you? Or was it just a natural thing that you said it [00:03:32] was a very natural? I didn't fight like I didn't fight against I didn't? Did I have trouble accepting it? [00:03:40] Was because acceptance comes on many different forms. [00:03:45] No, not not as such. I suppose. [00:03:52] Now I'm contradicting myself, I suppose use in a way with regards to my family. My parents didn't want to disappoint them. And because my brother was having children, my sister's having children and [00:04:04] they've got enough grandchildren anyways. [00:04:07] So I suppose in that respect, though, I did have trouble. [00:04:11] Can you tell me a wee bit about the cultural differences of homosexuality, say like in a Chinese family or a modern family? What are the I mean, is homosexuality kind of accepted? [00:04:24] I think historically, and Marty [00:04:28] a lot of the old a lot of the Chiefs did have a [00:04:33] column with Danny so they were like support for the chase tennis break. A lot of the old chiefs that could do a lot of like, everyday tasks like Phaedra this house cleans house, there was Lyft to predominantly with Danny. But and Marty is it accepted? outwardly us and we lay Probably not. I think once you get lot of the old Marianna Mariah situation of everyone be accepted button saying that? homosexual my I was brought forward to do the white house I do the singing. We're always in the kitchen, cooking sit in the tables. So the supposedly female roles? Yeah, so in that respect, yes, accepted, but outwardly to society? Probably not. Chinese, I really haven't anything into the Chinese community. As such, my family sort of that would have will marry my father's family. So I don't have that insight into Chinese being so. [00:05:43] So did you have a kind of a coming out process or a coming in, [00:05:46] coming out coming out coming out, not as such I spoke to, and this might be quite common, but I spoke to my mother first. I told her that I was gay. You know, I was working at the hotel in town, so and also on graveyard shift. How, in the morning before, before we sleep, told mom, and then I went the graveyard shift that came home that night. And dead was sitting on in my beta. What's going on he and then he said, All mom and I hadn't had a talk and tell me what you told it. And it doesn't matter. We still love you, your son. And that's what I wanted to hear, you know, at the end of the day. So as far as coming out, there wasn't so much traumatic for me. I had built up I think in mind, all the dramas in my own head, because I had heard about other people's coming here and how tragic and said I will never know what's gonna go. So you always think the worst scenario and think. [00:06:47] So when whatever does happen, you think, okay, [00:06:52] so it wasn't a bait coming out [00:06:55] at all, [00:06:57] for you was family acceptance and important for [00:07:00] huge, hugely, hugely important. [00:07:04] Somebody my immediate family like parents, brothers and sisters. [00:07:08] But my mother from the money side, her family was so accepting, it wasn't funny. You know, they just, and a lot of the boys said, a lot of the artists that we knew, we knew you didn't need to tell us that he was a German, you're only here for years. And to be told, we already knew [00:07:30] that there's a difference between I suppose the culture is the money in the Chinese side? Yeah. [00:07:35] What age were you all working in hotel, so got 918 19 years. [00:07:43] And I don't know really how it came about for me to want to tell my parents especially was their acceptance. And to be true to who you are. [00:07:54] So can you paint a picture for me of what it was like to be 19 year old? Just kind of knew the hours. And we're talking about the late 1890s? What was it like? [00:08:07] It was offhand what I can think of first thing that comes to mind was exciting. [00:08:14] And you know, a mid to late 80s. [00:08:19] Sort of quite frightening as well, in the same respect as exciting. But I think there's to come hand in hand. So I'll be muddy Chinese, I've always had to fight a scope. Because I never fit into the mighty box because they don't look nominally Marty. And I don't look predominantly Asian either. So I guess I've been fighting. No, it's not so much fighting, I suppose just I suppose Devin on both sides. But the Mahdi. The modern community never fully embraced me at school. Neither did the Asian community. So really didn't fit either. So just started up my own group. [00:09:00] So at school were you bullied at any point because of your sexuality, [00:09:04] not so much sexuality, and more. So [00:09:09] if misty, like I said before, because I didn't fit in the modern community. And it wasn't so much bullied, it was sort of, [00:09:17] I don't know, it wasn't like Bali today is is quite serious. [00:09:24] Especially it's just more of a teasing job in sort of carry on. And all that it was sort of a greener software. Suppose they'd laugh better after straight afterwards. And it wasn't anything too serious. I mean, it's just how it was. And I didn't see it as bullying. Because I had two older siblings at the school and the younger sibling. And it really wasn't, wasn't an issue really was what kind of things would they say? Yeah, like you useless married. Open your eyes. Ching Chong China money. My eyes. As you can see, my eyes aren't slanted for narrow sorts of things. [00:10:08] How did you kind of cope with that stuff? [00:10:11] laugh it off. [00:10:14] Like I used to play Water Polo, sport, [00:10:20] join social groups, we had Molly compatible group there. So I found I suppose I found safety in numbers. Not and I'm not saying that I had a group of gay friends around me. And it's just a group of good friend good mates, that I had probably set the foundations an intermediate school. Right for, you know, [00:10:44] the late 80s. We had just had the passing of a homosexual law reform. And also, HIV AIDS had been with us for a number of years. Did either of those things impact on [00:10:58] the MC or lawful for show gave me the freedom to be out who I was. And the idea is absolutely. And I need to acknowledge guys that fought for the for our rights for that respect to the reform. [00:11:15] Yeah, it just it just allowed me to be me, you know, [00:11:20] without any legal constraints here. [00:11:26] During law reform, did you protest? Or did you do any kind of actions? What I mean, were you politicized? Not at all? No. [00:11:35] No, not at all. And I didn't really catch on to that side of so called gay life. It just didn't appeal to me. I suppose it wasn't as colorful as what I thought other parts of the community were. What about HIV AIDS? Yeah, that was, that was a scary time. And I lost about three or four friends in the 80s. Through AIDS. [00:12:02] I've been in this one in Sydney. [00:12:07] It's quite hard for me sitting here in 2013, to kind of try and imagine what it would have been like in those early years of HIV AIDS. I mean, is it possible to paint a picture for me? Because I mean, yeah, I think 19 winning [00:12:24] Yeah, was probably a picture of fear for a lot of the day community yet. And summers and psycho strike community, because you, as a gay man, you are a brother or a father, a sudden, you know, you're so many other things, then just being a gay man. So I think all communities are affected by it totally, not just the gay community. But the picture will be one of juried on a fear. There's a lot of stigma, because you see someone walking down the street go golden, you think, oh, everybody be seated with speakers, but you can see what there was, you know, just another nice thing to see or to be part of. So it was one of greed and fear and, but in a society, and the media had a lot to play with it. Because they, I think they [00:13:20] blowed up and [00:13:23] could have the gay disease and the IDs, because you have people like Freddie Mercury is quite Adam proud of attitude, and a great role model for our community. But still, the society had that stigma, and it's still alive today. This is very quiet. This to celebrate the birth when I see you, if you get someone walking back again, with they go in your room. Look, I people, oh, he might be sick. And as soon as you guys, I think you're sick, if you look sick. And if you then you you a guy that automatically thought you got AIDS, HIV AIDS. [00:14:07] to you to put you would be one of fear, I suppose. But still excited in the 80s. Yeah. Because you've got the flip side of fear, right, which is joy, and happiness. [00:14:20] Do you think that's what happens in terms of you know, if there's a lot of fear going on, then there's kind of a lot of kind of access in terms of joy and [00:14:30] denying that makes perfect sense. Because if you think that, like a lot of the community like I remember my man, Rudy, is it doesn't matter. I'm gonna die. So everything was an access, you know, and I think the game is like that. What what I've seen and what I've been involved in as successful, nothing exists, sorry, or nothing. [00:14:53] I wonder, also, one of the things with people up here in gold. Quite a number of these people are young. Absolutely. Yeah. And so it's quite unusual to see kind of somebody in their late 20s. Yeah, really cool. And [00:15:11] I see a lot of it was passed off as cancer in the 80s. A lot of it was like, we had a couple of staff. And I was managing a restaurant here in Oakland. And they said, Look, I'm gonna lay resign, as you know, what's going on? Because we're just like that tell me just between you and I forgot to tell you the staff that's not a problem. That's that's your life, you know, when they say all look just handed over cancer. So it was even been perpetuated from the gay community as well, you know, and it's cancer. Even today, cancer is still accepted, isn't it? And people get all You poor thing with cancer, they're excited about it. [00:15:53] And it's a poor thing. [00:15:57] So that stigma is very much alive. [00:16:01] What about your introduction to drag? When When did you first start looking at [00:16:07] introduction to drag would have been about [00:16:11] lead with it something? [00:16:14] With it, I was living in town with those three of us. We just thought we'd experiment one night. And we did. It was May a huge toes, our moon guy and other show. But you know, we saw what we see. With kind of names. We saw back with both of them, they write the three of them. And you got giant, medium john, and Little Giant and wow. And that was just so exciting to us say that. And my mighty. Go see. And I was thinking and I remember thinking in my head. Oh, what a lot of rigmarole you gotta get this than that. And because that just doesn't appear does it that just doesn't happen overnight evening on this much planning involved. So we thought we'd give it a go. We did. We did the hero write down question. So right now what year that was, that would have been. [00:17:09] That could be early 90s it because I didn't start here. [00:17:15] Cookie right to ski with my date. Sorry. But we did the the hero pride down Queen Street, there was three of us, we had the same outfit, all just different color fabric with this huge, big hit pieces, which we made. And then the flip was just amazing. So all of that preparation and getting really making because we made the costumes. Yeah, we made the costumes, we made the hit pieces all in the flight. And all that time we bonded like I said two three weeks prior to the prior, you know, getting ready and, and Molly, we call it soccer following Atlanta. Because you It's when you're getting ready for an event like a you don't have to do anything, you get a lot of people around you and you're doing all the preparation for the for the feed. And by doing all that you're talking singing, you're telling stories, that sort of alignment. And same thing for this, we had probably three or four of us in the faith, constantly working on these outfits, it was just amazing. And the energy in the universe just electric. [00:18:24] Talk to me about that, that that whole process of why it's important to have that time where you're telling stories and interacting. [00:18:33] It's all it's all. It's all that bonding time that you're sharing. [00:18:38] And you're [00:18:39] you're all three of us we're heading for the same goal. So that when we're matching the unquenched rate we look like a unit one unit rather than three three people walking down the street in the same costume different colors. So by cleaning all that time together and making the outfit from scratch we became one unit so walking down clean slate that's what you saw was the one unit and people were installed today people mentioned our movie you back in here right [00:19:07] wow [00:19:10] Yes, yes that was the best private it was especially because it was new to one that [00:19:16] so where do you begin if you've never done Drake before? I mean, how do you even go about thinking about [00:19:22] what you need and how you do things? So what was so like I mentioned before we saw birth the backward baby you got the three and on mess it looks so effective it's what we thought and because birth backward baby they began in the stages What did they have? But they will head like different outfits are still very much themselves. So we just thought okay, we need a costume so we just sit around one day is it are you you draw what will what you want to wear as you I said Help Help me so I drew the the bottom part like the I'm we added for bed not actually discuss the bed for an hour and a half of the other two didn't want to be paints they wanted to dress. You can do drag in like a trousers with fleas. Because you know a lot of the conception of Drake Well, I think my early conception of Drake would be fully covered from head to toe nothing showing, but your face. So that's what that's what my mates wanted was a full length. secret number. Oh, goodness, my more exciting. But then the year following the first year, we did we all did full length secrets. And I thought I had to give given to my mates, you know, I got my way so to speak. And the first one and may we may trousers, please. crop tops, with theory arms, and a huge, great big piece because the silhouette was this like, big up top coming right down to really, really 73 out again. So was that how [00:21:13] I suppose young, graded feminine? [00:21:17] That's the look that I was going for. And that's what we achieved. But where do you start? Well, you come up with a concept concept [00:21:27] concept fabric [00:21:30] outfit, and then only exists with like hair and makeup and quite a major just doesn't just happen. And I just admire like the likes of backward within Bambi because they were just you'd look at them go wow. Because you can see like you could appreciate the amount of work that went into creating those wow [00:21:56] it's not just about the kind of the outward appearance but it's also sort of a mental shift show absolutely how you hold yourself how you move your hands and arms and how did you go about transforming [00:22:09] our that was a learning learning process. So the first time we did it we went so I don't suppose we were that conscious of it. We just thought we were gorgeous and up in a frock and having a good time so to speak. Didn't think about the mannerisms they [00:22:29] even the mental shift I [00:22:34] think about it. [00:22:36] Because I remember [00:22:39] this guy came up to me and said, God you're beautiful. Particular big Haines. So respected and you can't do anything about a man's hands can you mean everything? Yes, you can cover with with fabric or accessories but your hands Alicia gloves on the Spurs. But you see, oh, you're beautiful. But except for your big Haines. It go very big games at all. But and when an outfit is quite tight fitting, I suppose the hands look quite large. And what about heels? Did you wear heels? Yes. High Heels we got from I think we asked around, you know, couple of the. The adrenaline Jacqueline's everyone the same. And let's tell you that because a lot of them were more than happy to give you some tips and give you their old stuff you know secondly, we're not sickening I suppose just head downs. But we will gladly gladly take them so heels you're either the Marcy my mic was a size dating shoe in in the 80s they didn't have shoes. [00:23:46] I mean, we really had to either home [00:23:49] to a Pacific Island shop where they sold the big shows because the Pacific Island women have big feet barely. And he got a pair of shoes there but though it's like low heels so thanks but it's all for the effect one that you know so he didn't mind so you just have a saucer from friends drag queens family asked I asked a couple glasses of the head in the old shoes I didn't know [00:24:15] what do you want them for boy as you know my faith my faith looks [00:24:21] like I haven't [00:24:23] had you ever worn heels for [00:24:27] I think I remember trying to monitor time moms on when I was a kid probably the [00:24:34] five or six curiosity but [00:24:40] other oh my gosh no way. [00:24:44] And you know that was the one thing that I was sort of not afraid but anxious of was the shows high overseas and go embarrass embarrassing so I was I was anxious about the heels most of the embarrassment factor and I thought well if I could make a feature of some other feature of me satisfied people would look at it rather than say you know try and disguise it because Jake is about disguising your you're not so good birds and emphasizing your good that's what that's what JS to me [00:25:23] so what we went for sizing my eyes [00:25:26] My skin color because I'm quite Allah Allah Allah but in some other really really that so I play on good Patsy good features. [00:25:38] was doing that first hero right the first time you ever been out in public and [00:25:42] drink? Now I don't think it was we used to go now when I say we there was three of us. We used to do loveliness chameleon club happen Barisan Street was a commonly Pacific Island club. So we would go then because the Pacific Island community is a lot more accepting why that is I'm not I don't have an insight into the Pacific Island community but they were more accepting. And a couple of our friends would say I'll come out to the club with us and we just got here and that's where the face I'm going to drink up the love the I love the attention that I got from from the supposedly straight men with their wives. I got I love the attention from the woman because I was slimmer than them you know end of [00:26:34] this little slim but they go oh [00:26:38] look at a skin. [00:26:41] So I love the all the attention. But your question was the first amateur would have been at the Pacifica lovely Nicholas and Oakland. [00:26:51] And it was a blue sequence green sacred smile. [00:26:55] Can you remember the feeling [00:26:57] and this thing getting videos I was quite interesting. [00:27:02] First time know so but excited. [00:27:07] my mates would say I know you look great. It's like everything was but boosting their confidence. I say you have a few drinks for this carriage in the filament open when we walked on the clevers. Like we're on the red carpet. The I hope club doesn't because we're new to the same set as big. And my my my my total salmon got quite broad and not so tall and in quite small frame. And then Wow. Okay. Wow. I love the teaching you [00:27:47] you were saying earlier that other queens would give you tips and and even kind of hand me downs. Was there much competitiveness within the kind of Quincy [00:27:56] Yes, there was. And that sort of contradicts what I said about cheering doesn't it? But the competition was more so outwardly. So what do I mean by that? Well, it was how many of the straight guys you get around you so to speak. And I suppose that came from like one of the drag queens would give you a pair of shoes and they see you in his shoes. They look good on you that compliment you but as soon as the straight man came around you that's when the competition came up because that I don't know. I didn't understand it first thing I thought [00:28:36] what's the hustle? [00:28:38] Especially was competing for their attention will not [00:28:42] try and the quiz did share a lot of information like this would say a girl you can adjust like a woman talk like a woman that lays or they said you have you got your you lost your way oh and for me that's that's a step further and then Drake wearing women's lingerie. I never I mean I wore the bra just for the parent the parent and everything but the necklace and then I [00:29:17] didn't really coming [00:29:20] into the day is still a man i you know i i enjoyed I love the attention and the suspense admiration unit and for me it was the strike mean, psycho strike me love pain. Same with adrenaline, you know? How don't you inside Come on who can take you here? Because by doing so, that brought the attention to someone who was probably not so of it, you know, quite shy. [00:29:57] And it's something that always [00:30:00] boys consistent and anyone I want to drag with drag worth was to go around and talk to everybody. And wherever we were, say hello, make them feel welcome and put them at ease. Because I'm a paper type sometimes three hours to put all this together. And if you just can go there and sit in the corner. Well, what's the point? I really don't see the point. So with makeup an effort to go and say hello to people like to feel welcome. uncomfortable. I didn't know no hidden agenda or anything. Just I was just wanting to talk to people. And that's my nature though. [00:30:37] When you say people say to you are you you've got to talk like a woman as well. What does that mean? How would you change your voice and what you were saying to sound more kind of like woman I wouldn't [00:30:50] say I was gonna just like a woman top level woman Girl Talk live ago. Now. [00:30:57] I didn't you could clearly say that I will. [00:31:01] ago [00:31:04] and that, that that wasn't why Detroit wasn't to be a woman or to be a girl. My whole idea of doing drag was to experience that excitement that admiration [00:31:18] the camaraderie between the Queens [00:31:22] I wasn't doing it to be a girl you know I've never done it to be a girl I don't want to be a woman. I'd happy as a main [00:31:32] so you wouldn't change your voice [00:31:37] is but I didn't think I had a very deep manly voice anyway. wouldn't get softer roll I suppose. [00:31:47] Softer turn the volume down a little bit [00:31:52] we'll take them on the map one of the day [00:31:55] what about language are there is there like kind of a [00:31:58] queen language the show off the shoulders? And it's so code so you put it in in front of the first letter of the word or after the first letter so instead of girl that go canoe [00:32:13] there'll be some beginning and it will contain everything is in its infancy Sizemore says dragged out so for instance the word girl became good new and it's just drag that any girls out there with the intonation the nail you could tell just by the time whether they were pissed off at you or if they're jealous so because they just give you that idea [00:32:48] so yeah, absolutely a language [00:32:51] have put it [00:32:54] put it could have bought it [00:32:56] could have bought it set the car straight, but it was RK [00:33:02] the character of God to do you get get a [00:33:07] very, very, very tiny. And because the strike cycles, gentlemen, he didn't know what you're talking about [00:33:15] speaking chippers. [00:33:17] But to us, it was a boy that look [00:33:22] very much code. And you know, about two weeks ago, we ran into this guy from Wellington came up from Wellington who I hadn't seen for years. And we were talking and he started using all those old words again. So shut a slack. I'm back in the 80s courageous what I said you talk like all the old old crew. [00:33:47] What do you mean old crew and I gave him some names and good. How are you dead? Oh, I'm not that old. [00:33:55] side there's a whole heap of people that do this don't know the language. [00:34:01] And I'm sure today's drag queens will have their own legs again. [00:34:07] Can you describe some of the clubs that were around Auckland? [00:34:13] alpha is there was the bird cage. I think they used to have a [00:34:19] I like a coffee group or something on a Sunday or something [00:34:26] with side which was down in the cave, they had the sauna upstairs in the bookshop downstairs. But the bookshop originally was on high street [00:34:36] with Cambridgeshire [00:34:38] and Tony KH [00:34:41] clubs other clubs, call celeb club 21 lawbreakers on the corner. Do you remember Liberty zone corner High Street to change now they cover the clubs. They really are the couple's staircase, really, Fourth Street. Tons of us to get done the end because it was a huge these. So it must have been about 2030 steps to get into the club was huge. But it was so exciting going up there Steve, especially here in Vegas. Like oh my gosh, it was like climbing up on stage almost. And then coming around the corner and then run in a toughie [00:35:28] as the club's used to be over here [00:35:31] used to be on top of cushy, cushy Macedon. How do you remember these names? I'm giving you [00:35:43] a clue what [00:35:47] used to be a mass market Danny cook cook street market. And above it used to be a club called ace of clubs. I remember saying because we scale the marketing Sunday right. And I remember seeing the poster their advertising, Diamond low [00:36:06] homeless paint. [00:36:09] And I used [00:36:11] to sing with my auntie and go around and do the whole shopping mall circuit thing. So we were singing with [00:36:20] any grammar freely him but [00:36:23] his children could sing as you can imagine to all the shopping malls and singing. So I was not so much introduced exposed to [00:36:33] sort of cabaret life in show life. [00:36:38] And I just thought, Wow, this is great. This is where I think what I thought I flourished, you know, because I would my sister and I would sing. And I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed the stage. Once again the attention. [00:36:57] Yeah, I loved it. [00:36:59] So can you describe that some of the performances that you've done in February? [00:37:03] So we did the one up in loveliness? And Miss Polina, what year was [00:37:11] wigs on would have families to do every year. [00:37:17] Legends? And if you remember legions to be up on K, right? [00:37:24] We would just do like the one off shows here in the UK, people would other Jacqueline's would bring us they'll come and do a show says, Okay, what time? Yeah, this would be the and that's sort of how Wait, where you get, like, in the drug scene, there was always there's always been a drag mother. So the mother of all the drag queen sort of looks after everybody, but so much the queen of the dregs, they would pretty much organize all the shows, and that now all the other drag queens and to come and do a show [00:38:00] word of mouth. [00:38:02] What makes a good performance? [00:38:07] energy, enthusiasm. Can anyone get up there and lip sync to a song convey [00:38:15] the look [00:38:17] and not take yourself so serious? [00:38:21] Because that comes across on stage, if, if you're all uptight and anxious about your next move, people would say that we did a show one time down with some waterfront and I won't say any names, but we were doing the show right and there's we'd rehearsed this one number for a couple of weeks. And we thought we had all the steps down pack which was called get down to the waterfront and surrounded by all these other drag queens and [00:38:45] hundreds of people down there screaming and laughing during the show and in Madrid partners what came off [00:38:51] because there's a mover we had to do it wherever their arms in us here we had bracelets on in the breast that must have caught the way we know this [00:39:01] Hitman we're gonna [00:39:03] use it [00:39:05] as math just dropped it up. Oh, my God. What can we do for the day? So we just carried on was just one of those things. I mean, you could see it went down. They knew that it was Wednesday. What offense interested in frogs doing shows. [00:39:24] And literally the week did end up on the way they've come off on the forefront. [00:39:29] We laugh about it now of course, but it was really funny for him. [00:39:34] You said earlier that [00:39:36] interesting and drag you want to be attention but didn't necessarily want to be a woman and I'm wondering what was from from your perception, you know, was there any kind of conflict between say, transsexuals and in drag queens Did you find [00:39:53] it? personally? No, I never had any conflict with any transsexuals. I don't know what YR transitional dresses as a transsexual. I have no idea. I just didn't Drake for that attention from from people, regardless who they were. So I really don't know about the transsexual [00:40:18] community. Speaking of attention, I mean, how was it for you doing something like that first here and right down Queen Street? Can you can you remember that? [00:40:28] The attention was illiterate because it was thousands of people on Queen Street, screaming and shouting. And I think prior to doing it here ever rode. The biggest pride I would have been to would have been the Santa parades sitting on the side of Queen Street for waving a little flag. And always remember that and teaching that to people and their pride got one day and I secretly signals in one day fly my live wave my little fingers in one day, that could be me one day. And then 1015 years down the chain. Here I am walking down kitchen. Oh my Lord. But they hear the teacher was just electric. The cameras was just getting flat tech. The music was paying everything. I think everything was just spot on for the first period, right? [00:41:25] The energy was there the energy was so electric. [00:41:32] And I suppose that comes from a whole group of people much into this bit of the same drama that makes sense. [00:41:39] Did you have a drag name? [00:41:41] miscellaneous? Is my Jake name. What was my drug name? miscellaneous, a choice because of my cultural identity, it's a bit of a mix. But it was better that but put it all in the pot, what do you come up with a miscellaneous pot itself? Unless for obviously for obvious reasons, Miss whatever. [00:42:06] I made a misbehaving. [00:42:10] And there was another Muslim meet. [00:42:14] Other one sorry. So there was a few Miss, I should have was it [00:42:21] is a miscellaneous was your drag nine. So you you're not doing drag anymore? [00:42:26] I haven't done. I don't do drag. Currently. I last time I did drag would have been this year 2013. In February for the Pride Parade. I was approached to be on a on a float and and i thought i just think of their as a man and wife. And then the organizers asked me if you would like to do drag would be honored Tachyon on the flight is Jennifer. Oh, I know. Straight away the barriers come up? No, no, no, no, just this because of history. Everything is now two times of an effort, you know. And because I'd have gotten rid of everything. I've got rid of the shoes, the outfits, the wigs, the makeup, so I will hit start from scratch. So all of that was way daunting for me. Initially, my initial response to him was, I think I'll just stay on the track and white as a me. Let's go, that's fine. See how sit on it for a few weeks to see how you think. And I think when I spoke to friends about it, they said, Oh, you can do it, you can do it one time that much more help you Everyone was offered to help right now. [00:43:44] So then it became a mental shift for me. [00:43:47] Because the physical, I was putting those physical barriers up, because I wasn't sure I was anxious. And I wasn't sure about my stability and everything, all those things. But once the first quarter sort of sorted out, the mental sort of fell into place another Oh. And you know, I record it. I record record bit attention. And that electric, enthusiasm, nice, I can do that. And then I think once I mentally shifted to saying yes, I can do it. Everything else will fall into place. So I don't do drag. Currently, I did drag in February this 2013 it was the first time in over 10 years. And that was just boom, like that was like I'd never done drugs before my life. So it's a whole different experience. So you put a brain injury on top of all that. And then to come into to the drug world is just mind blowing. [00:44:57] So what age were you when you had your stroke? [00:44:58] I had to check it 36 [00:45:01] and what kind of effect did that have on you? And [00:45:04] will physically on my left side. See me paralyzed speech was pretty much gone. So I had to learn how to speak to learn how to walk talk Dr. dueling game. So huge effect. So life was the life that I knew was gone. [00:45:26] Static game. But second chance. [00:45:30] That's how I looked at it. [00:45:33] And getting rid of the great costumes and wigs. Was that all part of the strike? pre-strike [00:45:41] looking back I think now it wasn't I got rid of it all. [00:45:46] Actually, no, it was because my jag partner everything was stood it at his house. So after the stroke I think that's when we decided to cuz he said to me, do you want a new drug stuff? And I said, No, I don't. Because I at that time, I couldn't walk couldn't talk. I've been I was barely speaking. And the last thing I could think of was walking down the street in a frock or pay heels. So I said no, I don't want any of it. For this when it was sort of [00:46:21] out the window. [00:46:23] What was that like to kind of give that performance side of yourself away? And [00:46:30] what was it like? [00:46:32] I suppose in a way quite freeing for me because I could [00:46:39] concentrate all my energy and time on getting well coming up. Because I was taught as a shark Oh, you'll never walk. You never talk that talk to my family. My parents saying that he will never talk he will never walk. And I remember lying you thinking you don't know ship. And I think the first word I'd say aftershock was the F word to the doctor. Because I was so angry. I couldn't speak but and I remember Sydney lying there for I don't know how long it was but every day they came in they said what I couldn't do. But they would tell the people that were in with me he wouldn't ever walk he will never talk not here just for a good month every day. [00:47:23] So of course the first word that came out was the F word. [00:47:28] I know you don't know who I am where I come from. [00:47:33] So it was heartbreaking Absolutely. [00:47:37] See the whole grieving process because they they walk you through the processes after a after a stroke [00:47:47] so I don't you know I think it came at a good time in my life because prior to the show I was so busy we were doing shows I was working [00:47:58] I'm a shift by trade and I and hospitality most my life so I was carrying it doing it day job going going home getting putting a face on that's another two hours to get ready for the night show go into a night show go out afterwards afterwards socialize it in the community and go home sleep get ready to go and do it all again. So I think it came at a quite opportune time otherwise I would have just burnt out and it's a long weekend carry down for [00:48:31] say and by given all the drag all my drag [00:48:36] equipment away he gave me the chance to concentrate on getting better [00:48:44] and getting well [00:48:47] and then this year was the the Pride Parade being on the float. What was that feeling like? [00:48:52] Oh that was so cool. That attention again. [00:48:59] The number happened when we got my man and I got up to positively road [00:49:06] straight away we hit I'd say about five or six cameras around us. And we weren't even I wasn't even on the flight a late stage I just walked from moving back the car to the meeting point but time I got the meeting for the lights their cameras around us and all these people wanted photos with me what's going on and one of the marshals said to me oh look who's come out of hiding because I hadn't done Jerry for over 10 years and as a oh my lord must align his his back in town. So that attention and that that acknowledgement was huge was good confidence boost for me. [00:49:46] I loved it [00:49:48] what do you think your your most memorable performance is to date and drink [00:49:54] enjoy a memorable performance? Oh. [00:50:00] Oklahoma's had the biggest impact on you [00:50:03] biggest impact on me would have been [00:50:07] the museum no [00:50:11] Was it the museum is actually would have been the museum because we did a show at the museum we were doing so like ballroom dancing style show. And someone commented commented after the show someone who saw the show [00:50:28] and didn't see [00:50:31] they said something to the extent of [00:50:35] just two guys dancing together because I was in a frog I think I was in gold sequences. And the guy was in a suit [00:50:42] and the common it really it really stuck to me hurt because he said it's just two guys dancing I don't want to watch you know he didn't want to watch this. But he didn't see the beauty of the dance or what us as a group had created so that when I hit the biggest impact on me and I just thought that sort of took me back because it was definitely engine that I hadn't previously received. And I will say to acknowledge that not everyone is going to accept [00:51:16] everyone's entitled to their beliefs [00:51:19] can thanks for having me I'm beliefs [00:51:25] and what about in terms of positive response you know, what, what's the one that you kind of hold on to preserve [00:51:31] was on waterfront and I suppose the museum one going back to the museum was not a highlight for me but memorable because of the environment is quite stuffy in the museum and people are quite proper with getting the other extremely good words on waterfront where everyone's screaming and out singing and screaming at you with the waterfront definitely the most citing performance, because its immediate. [00:52:04] And instant. Yeah. You get it straight away. [00:52:10] Not like the museum with a just quietly under the breath well with was on with our disagreement he and even if they didn't like you that those great matches you know for the fact that everyone's just there for the same reason to raise right fundraiser. So definitely works on with a friend or manager here at pride so good to in that first Pride Parade. Probably boils down to the all the attention in an admiration and [00:52:45] stuff. [00:52:48] starved of attention. When really from birth you're given so much if I can just thank all the OJ community from from the old ones who have I'm sorry the mature ones to the ones that are not here today. Like [00:53:10] we talked earlier. We talked to Dr. [00:53:14] Segal. It was a Dr. [00:53:17] Courtney Katia. [00:53:19] So there's a lot of previous drag queens that I need to pay homage to

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