Report Back - Marriage Equality Conference

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[00:00:00] This podcast is brought to you by marriage equality campaign, Wellington and province ID calm. [00:00:07] And this session is really a summary session and a report back from each of the streams. And so we've got a full back from Ian from queer ranges, and also from William, who will do [00:00:21] the legalized love stream, [00:00:24] we'll have a look at the quick look at the action points and also the whiteboard, you know, the different tasks that some of the major tasks that some of the different groups are going to be doing over the next [00:00:36] three to six months. [00:00:37] And then we'll say a few thank yous and, and feel well, until next time. So I'll start off and hand over to in, he's going to quickly talk about [00:00:50] the career of industry in give us a detailed report as [00:00:54] well. [00:00:55] The first half, and could you nice on the second half. on that? Yeah. So So. Um, so yeah, just before the first two sessions were a trans forum and time to Pacifica forum. They, the transform was, was started with Sally presenting on [00:01:20] particularly on [00:01:23] the so suicidality and that [00:01:26] and, [00:01:28] yeah, suicidality among marginalized groups in general. And instead of moving into good ways to address that, so for example, we're surgery has been made much more freely available, it's had a huge impact on suicidality. So, so discussing some of the basic things where if the concerns are addressed, like, again, as Justin mentioned, the surgery isn't saying is just an elective thing for a very small group who has the money, that that actually has a huge impact on then. So and then chase talked about experiences in high school, and having relatively Okay, experiences, but [00:02:10] especially compared to other people who've been kicked out of home and all this, but they're still having issues with lack of education, and constantly being faced with questions kind of thing. So, so here, we also talked about the need for education. [00:02:24] And yeah, so I think those are both big things to attend to, like, I think, yeah, the expansion of consistent across across the board, healthcare for trans people, and then also education on on gender and sexuality. So um, and then yeah, we ran through some of the cross goes demands on those lines. [00:02:46] Yeah, not people can possibly comment on that. I might not summarize that perfectly. And then we did the tentative forum, which was [00:02:56] fee to from she's from box events, which is a sort of queer women of color group accept, she was there pretty much as an individual, just speaking on some of the problems of [00:03:10] the phrase was beyond queer liberation. And so sort of that a lot of articulation of Queen us are in a sort of in a colonized space. And at the same time, colonization is what surrounded [00:03:24] previous films such as fluffy night. And so the thing of articulating something that deals with those sorts of different strands. [00:03:36] And takes up both spaces similar to how taka taka is an integration of those things. Yeah, and I possibly could speak to that better, but she's not here. So yeah, that's something we're going to revisit and keep having dialogue on. So that was the first half. [00:03:53] Yep. Okay. So the first afternoon one was, I talked about gay liberation movement that stopped by Ian, [00:04:03] which started me up the Stonewall riots in the US, and that was with a group of game world, the police raided this bad, we're getting in and trans people hanging out, I think, mostly gave me an intrinsic for women. [00:04:20] And one time, they decided to fight back. And these were actually people who have been active in other new live movements, and sort of fly against racial segregation, and it's a warm [00:04:38] and friendly for women's rights and so on. And I thought, Well, hey, let's look out for ourselves as [00:04:43] well. So [00:04:45] they started fighting there. And [00:04:49] your family began, at the time the most dispossessed guy in trains, people were really begging that they were the ones who are fighting back, essentially enough, it actually was maybe the [00:05:03] the ones who released this disease. I actually got the most both and the invites from it. And yeah, they formed this group called the Gay Liberation Front, which has been splits into a gay activist Alliance, and they street fans, x revolutionary group, and concise sort of, like the [00:05:27] different ideas of what to focus on. And the guy quit was successful and getting said it was no longer considered a mental illness, the guy [00:05:40] and that, yeah, it's interesting that you got that sort of split. And then you have the guidebook, which was perhaps the more mainstream one, they got what they wanted, the transcript kind of didn't really and sorry, this kind of posed the question of how do we be together a unitary that is emancipator, a rather than sort of created by conform to that so that we can be together. And we learn to have the [00:06:09] have a guy right, it was had alliances with various people, including the [00:06:18] truck drivers union, San Francisco, fancy pricing event, stereotypically, this is the guy in the in the yellow truck profit. So before, you know, maybe some of the female truck drivers might have painted factbook gay rights, but you don't see we typically think of the male truck drivers. In that way. She bought countered Christian Social. [00:06:41] Well, that was mediated by Harvey Milk doing sort of community work. [00:06:48] And so we started discussing, we talked about about UTM little side, but then we are discussing what this is tell us about their campaigns now. And [00:07:01] come on point that belt made was that the list is it profession between the young [00:07:09] with the division between the more mainstream and the more sort of off to the side thing was actually [00:07:17] mixed by the actual context of this conference, maybe the more mainstream could make the less phone off to the side go can network. And [00:07:32] so we will tap that the actually to be linking powers, and why had been important to moving forward. And [00:07:44] another thing we learned was that a lot of these clips popped up in the 60s and 70s. And so now, it's sort of sort of like a new wave of people standing up and saying this in public in getting in the public eye. But they will, movements saying these things, that you can actually look back decades and find academics writing these things. And people have nice discussions. And so what changed was the sort of public, the making it public side. And, [00:08:18] you know, somebody committed that actually, gay people who want to get married, and maybe not the most precise people in the queer community, and that there's a concern that might be shifting, same sex marriage, that may be the same sex marriage can pay much shifting marriage from the same sex marriage from being in the category of abnormal stuff, they indicate with normal stuff, while not actually changing anything about the fact of the being nice to care and grace. [00:08:53] And service this evening, each and 10 calls have between [00:09:00] sometimes you can draw [00:09:03] your patient stuff, and get the least controversial stuff first, and you might think, Oh, that's a good deal. The least we've got something free, otherwise, we get anything. But on the other hand, there was well, then once he got more popular, but maybe you lose the impetus to campaign, so that they actually stopped getting [00:09:27] for it. [00:09:29] Not sure where they [00:09:34] they may we had the beyond marriage, or what we had, this was basically this concept of health is that what if we abolish marriage as an institution, and you could just do what I want but not be, you know, that could look like he married us I want to but not be influenced by this being sort of an institution, Sydney advantages and so on. And, and talked about [00:10:12] for a lot, which doesn't necessarily mean sort of hippie style. [00:10:20] Lots of seats so [00:10:24] for your knee can really think that what it means was love that it's free form. [00:10:33] It is free from expectations as to what is the right sort of path or the right sort of seats life so that you're free to find what is the thought for you. And [00:10:48] she city, she said that we live in a six negative culture. She didn't clarify it was six negative culture that's disguised as a safe positive culture by which me that we have to submit here and equitable near culture, the sort of promoting seeks as a good thing. But then promoting it, along with use unconventional ideas of beauty and physical features. And as if to maybe some imply that, that without that it's not a good time. [00:11:19] And that seems messages. people's love life or six life maybe isn't good enough. And so your idea of free love would be free from there. [00:11:31] And [00:11:35] yeah, [00:11:38] she wasn't, I mean, she was into the idea of, [00:11:43] you know, [00:11:44] polygamy and polyamory, polyamory and sharing sexual and emotional partners that, if that's what you want, I mean, it wasn't about necessarily doing that. But it definitely included the freedom for people to chase that if that's what think so. And, [00:12:06] sorry, what's your name? Sure, Kelly, meet and some examples mentioned that in the BDS in community, they have this sort of negotiation system, [00:12:18] where people negotiate what they can get from one relationship and sort of site or in a few need more from a relationship than this, you might get that other thing from another relationship, there might be [00:12:33] and [00:12:36] then sort of ended this bizarre angle. [00:12:40] And this was an India disagreement that just makes distinction and time that for the season, we can, you can argue for free laugh, and stick, you have to argue against various things that have barriers to freedom and laugh. [00:12:55] And God bless the [00:12:57] books for the reading that are that you can get from a few interested in us some of that sort of political stuff about free life, some about [00:13:10] and personal relationship issues. And [00:13:16] then the third one was the diversity for so we first talked about queer relationships and disability. And [00:13:29] the trend of things that have disabled people, whether they're straight or queer, might find it harder, certainly for relationship. [00:13:41] But the cycle people, specifically disabled queer people might be affected by the homophobia keras or family who are caring for them. And, [00:13:55] and that under an equation lower, because with the discrimination, or New Zealand immigration law that isn't really about six races of six relationships, but there is on the grounds of disability. So you might find that and [00:14:16] say that, if you're in love with somebody from different countries have the same success, do they have a disability, and maybe that can't come here to us because [00:14:26] the country we maybe can actually get an on maybe relationship isn't very nice, as it would be in New Zealand. [00:14:37] And it was also this idea that [00:14:41] there might be more pressure to sort of prove your normality in terms of sexuality. If we've got a disability in a before the safest as normal one never speak, that, it's probably easier to sort of [00:14:57] be different, really abnormal in a way in one way speak at you clearly normal and another. [00:15:08] And then we go on to trends, assurances, the middle of the second of the three parts of this is [00:15:18] some discussed is marriage equality, an issue for trans people. So, Karen, who is presenting says that it turns [00:15:29] hardly well can be because you can be trans and sexual as well. But it can also be so so [00:15:41] because the legal definition of what somebody else can be Miss up for transsexual people can change over time. And so like, a new thing, that the moment if you have ever First of all, sexual surgery or medical treatment, you [00:16:06] go from being the opposite sex of legal partner in same sex if your legal partner that you marriages, and now I'm not sure whether it's a noun or if it's equal rights, but if it is, it ceases to be today legally valid. So [00:16:23] I guess it's it's because of the sort of confusion around legal [00:16:30] legal definition of seeks and change will make a definition of seeds makes it special, fancy true angle of removing data from four songs and they think the world that yet be a man that won't be met. [00:16:48] And for can also talk about hip inside of trends woman being hyper sexualized, and some people's imaginations, which apparently minute that [00:17:02] make marriage difficult. Because they sort of idea that you're not gonna be one [00:17:10] that nobody would want to marry you. And so this means that [00:17:18] for the rest some cases of [00:17:21] trans women being made to regular sexual mean, there were also a lot that just as many trans women being made to transmitted or being in the relationships. [00:17:36] And let me suggest actually considering the world way more certainly in the trends in that actually that the rest that those relationships with me and are difficult to form. [00:17:48] And in this discrimination against trans me and being physically sometimes physically beaten up by lyst, being sorted out soda, Titus [00:17:58] red color, skin sickness, cause or something [00:18:04] like this cause [00:18:09] discriminate and in discrimination against trans people, which is not explicitly for hepatitis, it's kind of a weird, but because [00:18:20] there's a legal opinion that it is implied under sexual discrimination the human might take. Now, let's say that it's not actually explicitly stated, means it's kind of, it's hard to know, whether you [00:18:40] and [00:18:44] me within that trend in hip hop, high rates of mental and neurological disability, which [00:18:52] I'm sure has negative effects that also had positive effects in terms of developing relationships, from the train station unity in the community and other people those conditions which has made that at least close to communities, particularly [00:19:09] in today, we talked about hip hop, or by seriously married queer identity [00:19:18] keras Ch, that basically the Russian memory history is hit critical. Now he means history. And this is me that that's like 300 year old stories of TechCrunch halfway, which has only been written down in the last three years or so. And a lot of members of the family establishment sort of family stories and kind of don't really accept them personally. And here attempts but stories that have always been passed down through now in people. And part of this was due to also mentioned, Raisa came along and verint all the cabins which suggested [00:20:00] same sex relationships. And the point that tak tak we have actually been begging the campaign for revival in the mouth language. So so it's quite a good sort of focused Alliance layer between the campaign from nowadays which way and near someday, this home kind of missionaries destroying the [00:20:27] the evidence of the relationships as lead to some people like [00:20:34] don't have a hearing and find can make sense. Mallory, people who thought that those questions didn't exist, because they hadn't been passed down to them. [00:20:46] And finally, got this interesting comment from Pope Glenn. I said that she thought that you should see all forms of oppression is basically this one sort of oppression that's divided into these different forms. And therefore, if you get somebody who's part of one group, where the the priest and the other another group, we're the sort of the oppressor, that that's actually a sort of divided world, pitting them against each other, which is also a sort of pattern of what she faces how they compete, so if appreciate [00:21:27] Thank you. [00:21:37] Time, and so start off the legalized live stream yesterday, we had Conrad Reiner's and he was leading a lot of the media work around the campaign in a lot of the lobbying to us. And so we started with a quick overview of the process that's happened so far, and what we've still got to go as far as second and third rating. And when our lobbying is going to be most effective. [00:22:03] The people we were encouraged to target at the at voting in favor at the moment and keeping those those people uses [00:22:13] and that there is going to be the most effective strategy for us. We talked about how we need to tailor our messages, those people and the right people are lobbying, different impacts. [00:22:26] And lobbying them in the right way. Depending on the party affiliations, and how liberal there, [00:22:33] we talked about speaking to the heart as being more effective and speaking to the heat. So as many logical reasons we have for marriage equality. [00:22:42] To be passed, they [00:22:45] should probably be secondary to the emotion of stories. And we talked about some of the risks, which you can read about in the notes. And after that we had Dr. Elizabeth teli, from SC University. And I got a really good [00:22:59] summary good advice around media. It's basically do I should put as that paper we want to reach and not the media themselves, but the end audiences of those publications. And we need to think about those audiences. But obviously, the media is the intermediate intermediary with that, so we need to understand, you know, General Assad, and she talked about how they are predominantly young white woman, the tertiary qualification in relatively little experience and how we need to [00:23:28] bring them up to speed and some of the issues and so that they can provide effective coverage. We also got into some specifics about some media angles, we might take over the campaign. So one advice was to create competition. And so we've looked at your New Zealand becoming one of the first countries in the world, we sort of have a, I suppose an expectation upon us that we will legalize marriage equality after we were forced to give women the vote. And we looked at a lot of other angles that we might push in the media sphere. [00:23:59] And practically, we looked at how we might write a media release and handle issues with media. And then we heard from Teddy Tom and someone else am I can't remember, Griffin, on Chris right alliances, and they gave a good overview of of what they're doing in schools in the National Network they're creating. And hopefully we can grab the slides, and I'll be available for those who weren't in that session. And [00:24:28] were selected some Christians that came from there. You know, how can we make these boats a true alliance between queer people and straight people, how we resource those people, but also resource teachers, the other big players and skills, and how we handle cultural issues. And we looked at a couple of examples of people doing it, right, like Wellington High School. [00:24:55] And another nice point that was mentioned was, you know, the QA is coming from the bottom up creating these groups, but what can we do at the policy level to filter down and make clear straight alliances and queer she's a priority in education sector. [00:25:12] After that, we have a very informative, but also thought provoking session from Mary. [00:25:21] about faith. [00:25:23] Margaret, yes, I thought that name was wrong. And I've written that down right now. And she, she started off with, I guess, an analysis of like the key arguments, we hear from religious fictions and sort of broke some of those down for us. But we've been through that just sort of looking at [00:25:42] some of the other sideline issues within the faith. [00:25:48] domain, for example, the missing voice of people who are against gay marriage and religious scenes believe there should be a civil rights to marriage, because of the general belief and equality, that's quite often articulate better in the notes, and also the fact that some churches do support marriage equality, and the current law was carefully preventing them from exercising their religious freedom. It's a point case and brought up a few times. And I really like that. [00:26:21] We looked at some other reasons that we have objection where that comes from. [00:26:27] And some strategies to deal with, perhaps ignorant people [00:26:33] that we come across. And then Kevin, hi. Talk to us about marriage adoption and human rights. That was really interesting discussion, we started looking at [00:26:46] the international human rights instruments like the UN Declaration, and its sustained instruments, and how those filtered down to our domestic legislation and the effect of those of had [00:27:02] one of the really interesting things from Karen's session was sort of the purely about compelling argument about the effect that so good social policy has on public health. And we look at the example of HIV AIDS, you know, and it was found that the people during the remake of the 80s, the people who were [00:27:30] being affected were typically, people with low self esteem, alcohol and drug problems for communication skills have entered all about sexuality, and how solving those problems would have the positive effect on health, obviously, in that case, HIV infection rates. And so we looked at something called the loss of a child and some principles around developing good human rights policy. [00:27:57] And we also look to the issue of adoption, the cure of children x in the adoption H, and we will need to go with that. And some sort of issues beyond the marriage equality campaign, but so many issues with that go far beyond [00:28:13] adoption equality, and go into some sort of interesting concept that, [00:28:20] like fan adoption, and [00:28:24] giving legal effect to open adoption, which at the moment is sort of done off the books. [00:28:31] And yeah, that's right, I concluded. Cool. Thanks, everyone.

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