Part 1 - LGBTTQIAP+ Political Forum

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride nzd.com [00:00:06] Catalina Monica, Tamia arrow hiroaki tilaka Tito Tato Sham ma Haiti Hua makiki Chateau chip cuckoo 30 minutes with a with a real Maori get to tutor aka Mama, Tina Tina who a type here. [00:00:28] Welcome everyone. Thank you so much for coming today just to state the foundational roots today. This is a place of respect. It's an open flow discussion, but a few questions for me which have been collated by the wonderful Roxy over the past few weeks. There will be no heckling from either side. [00:00:52] Otherwise you have to do with [00:00:56] but thank you again to Roxy for organizing this Local forum on behalf of throw in our community in our server and particularly in Wellington, thank you to candidates who are here. We've got Jessica Heyman from top party. We've got Ayesha from the labour. We've got Troy from integrity. And we've gotten the club from the National Party from the Green Party. Jan is stuck on a train. Unfortunately, this is on her way shortly. And we've got a few apologies from act. We've got no response acknowledgement from Marty and first and declined to engage new conservatives TA and Vance. Yeah. Welcome, everyone. Shall we begin? [00:01:51] So the way this is gonna run is, I'm gonna ask the question. You've got two to three minutes to engage in the conversation and state your opinion your discussion points we can go from there. But before we begin all of that, we'll just need an introduction. So if you can just increase so [00:02:09] and say something about yourself. [00:02:14] Yes. Integrity [00:02:18] code so core trimming Hackensack lingala core that is really loud, calling out otoko taco a way I am Troy. I'm running with the integrity party of outside Oh in New Zealand. We are a brand new party, which makes me the newcomer up here on the stage. We were founded by a group of people who were unhappy with the way that the much larger political parties were running. So we started our own system, our own way to try and replicate them. I am the Deputy Leader I will be standing and wrong inside. I have been fighting for queer rights almost my entire life on Twitter recently came up with a trade to think about the history because on Twitter it came up with the statement of tell us about the most own brand thing you did when you were in high school. And I had to think about it. And it occurred to me that the most unbranded thing I did was discover that my school dance wouldn't allow me to take a same sex partner. So despite the fact that I was single, I started a massive campaign to try and get the school to change that role. They did about three years later. So I'm told in order to try and fight for that, right, and this is also the story of how I came out at my high school. Interesting change. These days, I've been fighting for the right to donate blood. That is something I would really like to be able to do. But I started a petition about four months ago and many of you in this room have already put your name on it. So thank you for that. I am trying to get up before Parliament at the moment I had to email my local MP. I'm supposed to be nice or mentioned who my local MP is. When she isn't so busy, she might response. So integrity is a new party formed on the basis of holder, which is the modern philosophy of well being trying to do what is right for people, equality them, the philosophy of making sure that everyone is equal, we do know that not everyone is born in the same position and we need to spend a bit of time getting people to that position. That is what we focus on, and integrity because we believe that when you're saying you're going to do something, you should actually then do it. So I am standing in the illiterate of rongotai. So if you live in Wellington, south of Wellington, he will be able to vote for me. Thank you. Thank you true. [00:04:43] koto cashola. My name is Ayesha Bureau and I'm a labor less candidate. And some of you might recognize me from the lockdown when I was an advocate for contact tracing and contrast write a report for the government on how to improve our contact tracing system. Which was part of the fantastic response we've had more broadly in New Zealand to beat the virus and to mean that we can be meeting in a space like this today. To tell you a little bit about myself, I'm I'm from Southland and I came out when I was at high school and I was wondering today Oh, who, who found out about the Sabine through the internet through Facebook or or something like that? Any of you and I possibly was one of the last people to come out before the interview. [00:05:32] And if you [00:05:33] came out since then, just to explain what it was like there was Alicia writing to a Pio box to get the address of a place in Wellington in Invercargill, when my dad had to drive me two hours in the car, and I met this man column underneath the margerine sets, sculpture at Valentine's. So totally a different world. So from there, I went to you University met the love of my life, Alice it at university, we're in a civil union partnership. And we have a seven year old girl. And thank you [00:06:10] something I take [00:06:11] for granted at all. And I became an infectious diseases specialist. And in that role, I had the privilege of looking after some members of the rainbow community that's a part of that job as well. And it's been amazing to see the changes that have happened in that space during my life. And another part of my job that I'm really proud of, is that I teach medical students about how to treat our community with dignity and respect. So I'm very happy to and proud to be standing for labor because of the inclusive society that labor stands for. Thank you very much and thank you to the organizers for having us together today. [00:06:53] Cattle, co Nicola Willis, Tokushima, naughty Franconia Tara hi Core ruban core Jas core herriott core Gloria aka Tamariki and I am very proud to coolest place my home. I'm Nicola Willis Simon National Party list in p base very proudly here in Wellington. I entered parliament in 2000. And it rained, I tried to get there in 2017 and I made it for just two weeks, and then the special votes were recounted. I got kicked out again and waited until other members retired. And the meantime I've had a great two and a half years in Parliament. I'm proud to stand for the National Party because of the values that we represent. We represent equality of opportunity, reward for reward for achievement, personal responsibilities, strong families, strong communities. And when I think about the issues that we're going to discuss in this room today, I see them through the lens of my children, which is right now we know that if you're growing up in New Zealand As a member of the rainbow community, research paper after research paper tells us that you're more likely to experience issues of mental distress brought about by the environment that you are being that you are living in. And we've seen research here in Wellington, by Gloria Fraser and others, which shows that even in a society that has progressed, we still say that young people find it difficult to come out and find it difficult to fully express their gender and sexual identity. And I want a New Zealand where everybody can be proud in their identity, they can express it proudly, and we no one growing up queer in New Zealand need experience the rights of ill health that we've continued to see today. So to me, that's the vision that we should all have as lawmakers and policy makers. And I know that in this room, there are people who have fought hard for advancement of many issues. I commend you, I commend the organizers who are here for the work you do For the Wellington rainbow community, and I look forward to the opportunity today not only to speak to you, but to listen. For as long as I am a lawmaker, I want to be open to a range of perspectives, and open to hearing from those who have experience and the grassroots of our community. So thank you for this opportunity. kiora [00:09:28] tena, koutou katoa. My name is Jessica Hammond. I'm very proud to be representing the opportunities party in Ohio to you. [00:09:35] You're going to hear a lot I think about policies today and how they will actually make a difference for your lives. It's not just about saying the right things, but it's about doing things that will actually make a difference to you in terms of your well being your experiences, of poverty, of health of mental health, of housing, of affordable housing. So we'll get to that but I just want to tell you a little bit about myself and how I have come in today. I grew up in a deeply homophobic Catholic household where when I was a child, my mum campaigned against homosexual law reform. And I was told as a child that if I were a lesbian, that I would always be welcome in my home, but my friend would not be. Now that was unpleasant for me. But it turns out it was absolutely crushing for my brother, who you may have heard of his his name's Robin Hammond. He's a human rights photojournalist. He the little girl with a transgender girl with pink hair on the cover of National Geographic was his photo he has a project called we love as a legal where you think very, very welcome to share. Your stories. So he for many years has been campaigning particularly in countries where it is literally illegal to not be striking suspended. But he also works in other countries where it is legal but really freakin difficult in awful. He last year at the age of 44, told us that he is bisexual 44 and you can imagine why he did not feel comfortable telling us that beforehand. The really shocking thing was when he told my mother and she goes, I think I might be as well. [00:11:50] During lockdown my little eight year old daughter was seeming very thoughtful and we went for a little walk together and I could see she had something on their mind, and when we got back home, you know, I was saying you Okay, you okay? And she goes, I want to tell you something. And I was like I You can tell me anything. And she goes, Oh, can you just guess? I said, this is something about who you love? And she said, Yes. And I see it is it that you love girls? And she said, Oh, you sort of and I said, is that that you love girls and boys? And she said, Yes. And I said, Thank you for telling me baby. I'm really proud of you. And I I am really proud that she is an eight year old. Now nine felt totally fine to tell him this, where my brother had to wait until he was 44. So I know we'd like to get [00:12:48] to a world we're coming out isn't [00:12:50] even a thing that you need to do because I didn't need to come out. [00:12:54] But [00:12:56] I hope it's an improvement and we can fight for more I'm pregnant. [00:13:19] To see us around later, please make sure to say hi and give us your feedback for the committee so we can celebrate all queer people for next year, getting bigger and better next year as well. But thank you so much for this introduction. So shall we begin with the questions? Right. So the first question is with respect to the BLM movement, what specific policies will your party introduce or further to improve the lives of LGBTQIA AP plus black and brown indigenous people of color and Arturo Troy [00:14:02] Are we going to help people of color in the queer community? Well, being one, that's kind of a big issue for me being moldy, I often find them working into queer spaces here in Wellington. I tend to be the brownness person in the room. And I mean, look at me. That's enough, okay, not even slightly. So, representation is by far one of the biggest things that we can offer we have not yet got as far as sorting out a policy for dealing with black lives matter for integrity. We just built a party, we are working on that one and it's very high on my list of priorities about representation is what matters. Being able to see yourself represented in the mainstream and the people around you is incredibly important to make the people feel as though they're included in a community. For example, if I can do that annoying thing, politicians don't. anyone in the room right now I'm gonna ask and I'm not gonna make funny but anyone in the room, I'm gonna ask that if you identify It's not hockey, how white or Caucasian, please raise your hand. This field is here, and that's great. But remember how we're the biggest country in the South Pacific. And that's the only people that we have here who put their hands up, whereas everyone else, representation is what I am aiming for. Thank you. [00:15:24] Thank you. So [00:15:28] as I said, I'm really proud to be a labour member because we stand for an inclusive society. And it's been really heartening to see the Black Lives Matter across the country, across the world raised the issue of systemic racism, and the uncomfortable reckoning we all have to have in every country about systemic racism. Some of the things that Labour's done to address this and New Zealand is to teach the actual history of introduce policy that the actual history of out here or needs to be taught in our schools including The New Zealand New Zealand wars in schools. In addition, Labour's introduced a policy called to Hungary, which is addressing the unconscious bias and how it impacts Marty learners and these pilot programs and a way to engage Marty learners more and in learning and to address racism that they encounter. I know for our community for rainbow communities, issues, some of these issues, especially for people of color are particularly fraught when it comes to the police. And one measure that Labor has taken is introducing diversity liaison officers throughout the police force and New Zealand that are meant to be in when times are good, reaching out and building relationships with community but also then when we do need the support of the police, hopefully finding a more friendly face when we need to engage with them. I think finally this this question is about the intersection of our identities both as rainbow and as minority people, minority ethnicities black and brown people. And I think you just need to look at the labor caucus to know how seriously we take this. So I Grant Robertson as a Paki ha, man but in our caucus the leaders of the labor rainbow caucus include Tamati coffee, Kitty Allen you'll not lose the wool from her work and insane in marriage equality. And I hope to join this caucus if you pass the vote labor and I am a woman I'm Maldivian as well as Paki her tenacity. And I'd hope I bring my perspective as an Asian woman to that to that caucus. Thank you. [00:17:44] Like Troy, and he can I acknowledge that of course there are some really challenging issues of intersectionality in our community. Speaking before this debate, today, we were discussing what it is as an organization, whether your political organization, and our Case representing the National Party, or whether you're any other community groups such as rainbow Wellington, or such as the pride festival, how we make sure that we are places where voices from all parts of different communities can be heard and can feel able to share a voice. And that's certainly something that I think we need to strive for as parliamentarians, that we don't just represent ourselves, but that we represent a broad range of people. And I stand by my record as an MP of being highly engaged across the community and providing opportunities for people to share their perspectives with me, in terms of lawmaking, sometimes that requires of us to say that the way that we have done things in the past isn't good enough and that we have to do visa and I'm really proud of nationals record in terms of expunging homosexual convictions bringing forward legislation to do that, because to me, that is an example of a law that was wrong at the time, but that by keeping those convictions actually means that some members of our community faced ongoing harm into the future because they had that conviction. And so the move by national to expand to those convictions was a good one. And I think an example of how we can make progress together as a community cure. Thank you. [00:19:20] So you know what, we think that we don't want to just put band aids on every solution, we don't want to just be the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. So that you know, the first thing the top is very committed to is honoring the treaty and then includes recognizing Maori water rights, which is something that we need to do in and of itself, but it's also something we need to do before we can resolve commercial water rights use and protect our environment. And [00:19:48] in terms of [00:19:48] what is going to make a real difference for for money, Pacific, people of color and people of the rainbow community who are all over represented in some of the really dire statistics in New Zealand is to reduce or eliminate poverty and address housing costs and housing discrimination. So a universal basic income of $250 a week for every adult $40 to every child is our flagship policy. And that means we can income doesn't it is none of the business who you live with who you are having sex with. You get that money, regardless. As of right, you don't have to deal with me any more. We also want to address the housing crisis because housing costs are the biggest driver of poverty in New Zealand. No question. They are the biggest driver of inequality in New Zealand. So in terms of things that are actually going to make a difference to the lives of people of color rainbow communities and anyone else who is disadvantaged in New Zealand, though The two major things we need to do [00:21:08] is [00:21:09] what will your party what will the party do to continue to develop the health and well being of rainbow communities, especially for our youth and trans intersex and non binary final. [00:21:24] health and well being is a very important one to us. Hello literally means well being into the morning. We have a policy to increase funding to the mental health system here in New Zealand to give every New Zealand have the ability to acces two years free preventative care and mental health that psychotherapy and counseling. And this is incredibly important and will go a long way to de stigmatizing issues around mental health. When we're talking about the rainbow community. Our community is 12 times more likely than the straight community to be represented in mental health statistics. One in five in our community has attempted suicide at some point in our life. That is huge. And if you're talking about the trans and intersex community, that statistic is even higher. So our mental health policy is about D stigmatizing, seeking help and finding someone who can talk you through those concerns. [00:22:24] Thank you. This is an issue very close to my heart working in the health sector. And I think Firstly, it's important just to think and reflect on what the government has done for health for the rainbow community in the last term. We were elected, say labels elected saying they would fund pre pre pre exposure prophylaxis, which is mid sun that can be taken regularly in advance of having seats to prevent HIV transmission during sex. And that is now available in our community. And it's just wonderful. I mean, it raises the possibility that rather than Managing HIV we can move to a community without HIV. The second thing that's really important is that we're funded there. Hey, welcome, Jan, come on. [00:23:23] We're funded the health behavioral survey, which sounds very geeky and but it is important to people who aren't just epidemiologists like me. So this is a survey of the rainbow communities sexual behavior, and the importance of it as we really need to make health interventions for good sexual health for our community based on data and not from prejudice. So it's crucial and the last government didn't fund that survey and we've reinstated funding for it. And then as Troy's mentioned, there is a real issue for our community in terms of mental health care and Labor has made a in investment in mental health care that is really once in a generation, we have funded for over 10,000 people to be able to have free counseling services in our region in Wellington, that's primarily through the piggie program, which is focused, particularly on young people. So those are really key areas. Of course, there is more to do. That is particularly the case for transgender, where we have we have got the beginnings of access to surgery, but clearly that access needs to be improved. So we have a system for it. But the funding is not a question that is obviously a place where more work remains to be done. Thank you. [00:24:48] I think one of the things that we sometimes underestimate the impact of but that does make a difference for young people growing up is celebrating diversity. You know, and I think about this when I think about My kids who for as long as they can remember, have known that mom goes off to pride parades and goes off to out in the pack. And when that asked me what it's about, it's actually very easy to say, well, because people are different. They have different experiences. And we celebrate everyone. But for a long time, people whose experiences in the mainstream experience have had a hard time in New Zealand, and they look up at me with the little innocent faces, and they can't really conceive of that. But it opens up the opportunity for those conversations. So we need to continue to have things like pride writes out in the pack pride festivals to open up conversations not only with young people and children, but actually with employers, with our colleagues and with all of us because I think it's by having those outward expressions, that we're able to have some of the difficult conversations about those areas where progress is yet to be made. nationals at a policy position where we have committed additional funding. To the AIDS Foundation that we believe do incredible work and have got some incredible results is Asia and talks about. The other area that I am ticularly interested in is National Education spokesperson is what we do in our schools in terms of mental health skills, mental health, resilience, and how we create inclusive schooling environments. We had had a petition to the education workforce Select Committee of Parliament, from young people themselves, saying we think this needs to be done better. And it's been fascinating because we've had the Ministry of Education come to us and say, you know, the curriculum already includes all of the staff. Lots of schools are doing a great job. There's some brilliant programs out there, and the arise it is in the curriculum, and there are some brilliant programs out there, but we need to do a much better job of holding every school accountable for ensuring it creates an inclusive environment free of bullying and harassment. And then it provides all children and equips all children with the mental health skills they need to succeed and what can be really difficult Job cure. [00:27:07] I really do applaud what the government has done in terms of putting in extra funding into mental health. I think that's really important. But again, we can't just be dealing with ambulances at the bottom of the clip, we need to be looking at the causes of ill health and mental ill health in those in New Zealand. Poverty and Accorsi housing shortages, and the people my brother works with who are, you know, dying early. It's because of homelessness. Not you know, it's also because frickin assaults and appalling things but you know, this this is that this epic problem in New Zealand so we need to address the shortage of housing and the shortage of quality housing, the houses that are making us sick, we just we just need to do something about that. Top is actually the only party that has a policy to change the tax incentives that basically have people getting wealthy from housing at the costs at the putting that cost onto young people. So people like me who own a house are massively massively being advantaged by the housing crisis. And the younger people in this room are paying for our wealth, which is just not on. So these are the causes major causes of ill health. In New Zealand, we just need to address the root causes of these things. [00:28:42] Qatar Qatar Qatar nanny Nokia Koto cor Jen loggia, whoa, I'm a Green Party rainbow spokesperson and really feel incredibly privileged to have been able to be a spokespeople person for our community in Parliament for the last almost nine years, which is frightening. [00:29:06] In my [00:29:07] maiden speech I clearly defined and named myself is a proud lefty feminist lesbian. The approach I bring to the work and that which is an intersectional one, so I today I'm going to try and be really super specific around the quest and answers to the questions that we've been given and that they are about looking forward about what we're going to do. I'm assuming that others on the panel will talk about what's being done. I sit with a feeling that it's not math yet, and we need to do more. So I'm going to talk about what the greens are bringing to the possibility of what could be next. So the first questions that some as tragic victim of our public transport system [00:30:00] Yeah, I know it's so hard to be green. Right? [00:30:02] And so [00:30:04] around the our response to Black Lives Matter and what are our specific policies in addressing racism and structural racism in our country. And those policies are embedded right across our education policy, about ensuring bacterial is co curricular subject up to? [00:30:30] What is it? Tim, you know, the word that comes before the team [00:30:36] and ensuring that we do the work and I like they can look at that we challenge and address and reflect on government practice, right across our system with a justice is in particular, and I think this is particularly relevant around Black Lives Matters. End in correction system and start partnering With modeling, and with Pacifica and actually resourcing those community responses to identifying problems early, and actually helping people avoid, adjust the system altogether. And we know that in those examples of where that is happening, and I understand they come up in billion, there's an amazing project happening with Maori Women's Welfare League, and that is this work happening all around our country, but we have to resource it. And the government has to step out of the way of thinking that we always have the answer, because actually, sometimes our answers the wrong one. And we need to really step into that space. It's also around implementing the response to the review of oranga Tamariki by the fun award providers because we know that the well being of our kids and response to family and sexual violence. And child safety has to critically be work that's done by the whole community. And we're not getting met right now. And vet has systemic and long term consequences for everyone in our society at the moment. So not just some of the specific policies that we have. But it's about resourcing COPPA, Marty and Pacifica, and actually helping people see the benefit of the participation of everyone in our country and recognizing different knowledge bases, and how much better off we all are, when those knowledge bases are all at the table. And we're a long way from that at the moment. So an answer to the second question, which is around what will we do to continue to develop the health and well being of rainbow communities especially Are the health and well being of rainbow communities, the youth trans intersex and non binary final. For us at the heart of this, our response to this comes from the prism report that was led by the Human Rights Commission, where they identified that we have real issues in terms of aged care where people are ending up going back into the closet, and in terms of their gender identity as well as the sexual orientation because the hpsc high was that that end actually haven't had the training or the policies in place to support them to be who they are in most places. And we do need to make sure that we're doing network that that resources happening around training and good guidelines, and safe staffing levels within those institutions, to make sure that people have got the time and not protected in terms of the identity also around insure That we are holding on that vision of being HIV free in this country and ensuring that we're as well as the anti discrimination work and access to safe sex that we have, that we are using free in the new tools that are available to us. And that's being supported by good training right across our healthcare system, because the research is showing us that still the health system has not caught up with the diversity of us in the world, and that there's a lot more work to be done to upskill the full range of health professionals to be able to respond appropriately to the whole range of our healthcare needs. And illness causes mental health. And that's and that is multifaceted. It is about creating a society that is inclusive, where poverty is not a barrier, where people are able to participate on the grounds of who they are as hopeful And that there aren't barriers in the way for that. But the prison report also specifically said that there needs to be tailored services when people's mental health when they are struggling with their mental health that identifies and responds to be as for people and those services are not automatically or readily available. And we know that not a lot of our community organizations right around the country are doing network and then funded [00:35:32] and unsupported all too often. And I think that's one of our places where we can really gain is by getting a resource into our communities and supporting those people who are doing it already. And I think it's also obviously around ensuring that there is no and consented and unnecessary medical intervention on intersex babies It is also about ensuring that there is equal and easy access to gender affirming health care consistently from [00:36:19] the north, sorry. [00:36:28] Yeah, absolutely is that a lot of work has been done with us so much more work to be done. And that leads on to the one more popular questions that's arisen from this forum, which is recently renewed Koto in Zed. did an interview with Jan, with Nicola with the honorable Prime Minister, out of which only Jan was pro for the creation of the Ministry for rainbow communities. Could you give us an indication as to where you stand personally and why Would your party support the creation of a ministry ministry which offers for rainbow affairs? [00:37:09] I like the idea of a minister for rainbow affairs I do I just want to know how it will be chosen and what it is because I personally don't like the idea of government doing everything top down and telling everyone below them how they should run their own communities. And quite frankly, I don't think we need another party are at the top telling me how to live my life. So I want to know how it would be chosen first. [00:37:35] So the Prime Minister's indicated that this wouldn't be a policy that labour would take forward at the election but asked us asked the community to hold labour to account for its deeds. And I think what I take that to me is that labour with extremely large rainbow caucus should be in there holding the Ministry of Health to account for how we're looking After the rainbow communities held, holding the Ministry of housing to account for access to housing for people in our community, and similarly with education as well. So it is definitely not a reluctance to take forward these issues. Just a question about how, and I think I kind of incurred Troy's sentiments, I guess I was also asked for personal view. [00:38:23] So this is the personal view. [00:38:26] I guess, when I think about how we've achieved change as a community, when I think about the people who fought for access to medicines for HIV in the 80s, or who fought for marriage equality more recently, and when I think about that, what's been great about what our community has achieved has been that it's from its from the grassroots app. And I'd have a lot of questions to ask. I guess I'm not saying I'm against it, but I've had a lot of questions about what added value would get by having a A bureaucratic way of achieving, achieving that. So that's that's my question. I'm interested to hear from others about how they think it would work in practice. Thank you. [00:39:16] Before I get to my answer, can I just acknowledge jen loggy. She's the only minister on stage and we're lucky to have him with us. And I know a lot of the time national in the greens have very different views. So I just want to share with you that this week we took photos for a Pay Equity Act. [00:39:40] acknowledge that because often in these rooms we focus on the differences between our parties which are absolute and you go off and vote for the differences you like or don't like, but there are also areas we have worked on together. And I was really happy with Jen by you and your speech talking about final aura and the work that we can do to strength And families so that we actually intervene early to prevent people coming in touch with the justice system and hitting some of the inequities we see in our community. So that's another area where we probably see eye to eye in terms of the rainbow communities, ministry or office for rainbow communities. As is mentioned in the question, I've already gone on the record on nationals position on that, which is that we absolutely accept that there is more progress to be made for rainbow communities across the board. And we accept that as an incoming government, we would need to make that progress. But we're not convinced that a new bureaucratic structure is the best tool for advancing that. And in fact, we think it's incumbent on every government department. Whether you're the Ministry of Education or the Ministry of Health, you don't get to delegate responsibility for rainbow communities to another office, you are responsible and we want every government department to take that approach that they're responsible for all communities. [00:40:58] Yeah, I mean, I didn't They are not against the idea. However, I have been a public servant in a lot of government departments myself, including and population ministries. And this is my one concern about having a, an office for ministry for rainbow communities, which is that what tends to happen is the other departments go, Well, that's not my problem. And they absolve themselves of any responsibility. And this really, really does happen with women with money with Pacific with disabilities. That's someone else's problem. I don't have to think about it. So I do, I think it's something you'd want to think about really carefully. Usually, ministers like creating more ministries, because the more ministerial portfolios you have, the more the more you get paid. So I'm surprised there are more of them supporting it, but [00:41:51] I just think it's something I can definitely understand the [00:41:57] the the benefits of having A person who's going to be a spokesperson and a focal point for issues for rainbow communities. But I just reckon you want to be careful with calling for this one. [00:42:12] It's something to think carefully about. [00:42:16] So I'll just quickly [00:42:17] lay out the reasons that we're suggesting it. And so one is, it's the fundamental question of why are we the only ones without one? What's the barrier? And I don't think the barrier is any event. I think it's actually cringe around, actually people standing up and standing in solidarity with us and now, right. That's the only barrier that I see to why this hasn't happened already. We have disability. We have seniors, we have youth. We have children. We have women. We have ethnic communities. We have Pacific people. And we have to Cooney call Cubby, who's missing, it's us. And the reason those other agencies exist. I totally agree that there's the risk of abdicating responsibility. We don't want other agencies to abdicate responsibility. How you get around that is you have a really strong plan that has accountability ascribed to those other departments, but you recognize and support them delivering on it by having a center of expertise and a point of connection to our communities that our communities can push for pressure and change across the ministries from one entry point, rather than having to deal with so many agencies and different people. And we see this in health. One of the reasons at the moment, that that we haven't made more progress around gender affirming health care, even though the budget money was put there was that there have been so much staff turnover in that team that they haven't been able to deliver it if you'd had a center of expertise that would have been people to be able to fill in that gap. provide the support around it to keep progress happening. We have a cross party group of politicians who are not ministers at the moment that includes national and includes labor, and includes the greens. And we are the ones who are talking to the ministers and asking them, what have you done, what's happened, this is what we're hearing from the communities. We have to fit that in amongst all of our other work, [00:44:27] and they're not accountable to us. [00:44:28] They're accountable to the ministers. The ministers are what drive change are the people who drive change, not a lovely, very well meaning and intentional group of impacts. So this is my belief when I'm so deeply frustrated that our lack of progress is we've got to try something else. And it requires intentional focus and that is what this proposal is meant to address. The [00:45:02] next question is, with the ever growing number of anti trans organizations, what is the political party prepared to do for the trans community to create protections and support to allow us to try [00:45:15] and find it bizarre that these anti transcripts use freedom of speech, like somehow freedom of speech is an excuse for them to just be an asshole to everyone. Freedom of speech does not mean we have to listen to you saying hateful stuff. It does not mean that public venues are obligated to give it to you. And it does not mean that you go crying to the ACT Party and they give you Parliament for free. [00:45:42] So there is a bill that has gone before parliament. So the first thing I want to acknowledge is that I'm a cisgendered male and I do not know for certain what it's like to be a member of the trans community. I only know from conversations with my friends. What I do know is that there's a bill that's been before parliament. Their bill was without being able to change the gender on your birth certificate by statutory declaration, and that bill has been held up by one of these anti trans groups, the same one who are friends with David Seymour, and that's not Okay, that bill needs to go through, it needs to pass to make it easier for these people to be able to engage in our society with who they are. [00:46:29] So the day after my candidacy got announced as a member of the Labour Party, last month, I got an email from an anti trans group in there, the loss of my fan celebration was was worn off after that. And these anti trans groups that write to me get a very short answer from me, which is that I stand for trans people to be included in all parts of our society and there's no engaging with all these endless little arguments about x, y Indeed, I think labour also supports the births, deaths and marriages bill that would allow trans people to choose the gender on their official documents. And the EU would have heard Labour MP Lewis a wall and the media just in the last week supporting the right for trans women to play rugby, as well. And I just [00:47:34] she didn't, didn't she, I'm pretty sure she did, too, for trans women to be included in the in the world to be able to play by their identified gender and in rugby. [00:47:46] I sorry, I can't hear you, but I will be happy to have a conversation with you afterwards. [00:47:56] Thank you, thank you for that. I thank the the point I would. There's another point I'd like to make about trans rights, which I think goes back to an issue that was raised by the first transgender MP, Georgina via who was a Labour MP, which was back in 2004. We [00:48:19] were about to try and produce legislation to [00:48:23] include [00:48:26] as a prohibited grounds for discrimination, gender identity and the Human Rights Act. And at that time, the advice that the Human Rights Commission gave us was that that was unnecessary because it could be included under sexual identity, and therefore we didn't need to change the Human Rights Act. I think that it is apparent to us and labor that times have moved on. And there are these acute issues that's evident in the question of anti trans groups. That means we need to reconsider that option. And that's an area which we are currently working on. [00:49:04] I'll keep my answer pretty simple to this one. I start from the position that trans rights, human rights, trans women, women, trans mean, I mean, and the law should treat all of those groups with the rights that they deserve. And we should, as lawmakers strive to ensure that they have equality of opportunity, equality of access to services, and that we the rights of transgressed upon that the people perpetrating their face the full force of the law. [00:49:38] Yeah, I've had my own unfortunate run ins with some of these groups, and I was very involved in the abortion law reform campaign, and I wrote an article where I referred to pregnant people, and I I expected the blowback from anti abortion people but I was actually really shocked at the the like rule of hate I got from people who I'm told I'm not allowed to call tips. But so I experienced my first ever Twitter pylon and was bombarded with graphic images and had to put anywhere with very, a very small number of very motivated people really obsessed with what other people keep in their pants. Just really making life very difficult for a lot of people and [00:50:40] scrape them don't work for me. I don't want you. [00:50:46] So [00:50:49] what I'm saying is [00:50:52] predictions for for transgender and non binary people are incredibly important. Top has a policy for having a written copy. institution, we think it's probably going to take maybe 20 years for us to have all the discussions that will go into it. But I'm very confident that at the end of the day protections for all genders will make it into a constitution for atira. I also think there are a few things like really concrete things we can do for transgender and non binary people. I think that the states New Zealand consultation at the moment of human Cena about how to record data on gender, I think it was really great. I think they handled it really, really well. And if you haven't submitted, please, please go and do that. And the other thing I think that would make a real difference is, you know, I have two little girls, and so much of their lives is so gendered, whether we want it to be or not, and I just see no reason why we have to force small children into toolboxes constantly. [00:52:04] uniforms, [00:52:07] toilets, what are they toys? You know, there's just not [00:52:17] true boxes for everything. [00:52:26] So, [00:52:27] yeah, it's been pretty ugly. Right. And I, I loved Troy's intro. [00:52:35] And so just here, [00:52:36] and in terms of specific policies and things for the greens that we we've been on this journey for a really long time in terms of trying to progress the rights because for trans and non binary people, it's over a decade ago that the Human Rights Commission wrote their report to be Hawaii. That outlined the really unacceptable and you know, gut reaching levels of discrimination that are experienced by trans and non binary people in this country. And we haven't seen enough action. And that's why we accepted the petition that leads to the proposed change around the boots, decent marriages, and why we received the petition to try and push for change around access to health care. The next steps as we clearly need the change around births and marriages with the amendments that are needed to actually fix it because the suggested amendments at the moment are right for intersex people and that has to get fixed. And we also need to ensure that it works for in that we're putting the right provisions and for migrants who are coming in, to be able to change their identity documents to be safe. For the communities, [00:54:01] because that's a [00:54:02] real problem at the moment, we also need [00:54:05] to change the Human Rights Act. Because the crown law advice is just not working in terms of reality, and that needs to be around gender identity, gender expression and sex characteristics, and that they need to be prohibited grounds of discrimination and make that just super clear, so that we all know. And we need to amend our hate speech legislation [00:54:30] to ensure that it is covering our communities, because [00:54:35] the existence of diversity [00:54:42] cannot and should not be IQ. [00:54:46] And this is also a two tivity argument [00:54:50] because Taka tomboy existed well before colonization and these really discriminatory laws that sought to keep people in boxes. And lockdown were brought in by the colonial regime.

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