Leaving a Legacy

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in zero.com. Thank you for coming, I'm really excited, because for qui history month to fund a founder has arranged a series of events. The first was with Wellington pride. [00:02:18] To do the movie night, if point here and the dance with dance, we hit the dance upstairs on Saturday. And then the opening to our exhibition here was on Monday. So our normal ways yet we're going to, we're going to party we're going to do out and we're going to have fun and then we're going to do some work. So this is the way but [00:02:41] so they keep it going for this. So our format for tonight quick fire. I know people got great things going on on the lives, even if that includes being on the couch watching TV. So [00:02:55] appreciate you taking time out of your evening to be here. So we go to segments to tonight the first we're going to hear from some speakers, people who work and who do things in our community and do different ways of collecting information. And yeah, how do we keep our stories alive with some of the some examples of that. And then we're just going to spend the second hour doing some quick workshopping things get out of the tear. This I'm moving around. And it's not unlike an interpretive dance or anything. It's [00:03:25] not that kind of out of your cheese thing. But yes, and so I would like to introduce our first speaker, and we're going to [00:03:34] each of the speakers will introduce actually themselves. And we're going to get the ball rolling and you know, the order [00:03:42] speakers. So we'll just roll over mighty [00:03:46] after each. So we're going to start thank you so much going to invite you to come on up and have a [00:03:53] cure on Gareth Watkins and I founded pride in seeds in 2000 a month. So I'm going to talk a bit about my background and also pride in seed. But firstly, thank you, Elizabeth final, final thought for in logins for offerings, opportunity, it's really fantastic to be able to come and speaking. And she to give you a bit of background about me. Mum came from Yorkshire in England and dad came from trigger and Wilds and they came up to New Zealand in 1960, something in the 60s. And I was born in Wellington in the 70s. My connections with the United Kingdom have really kind of been disconnected. So I've kind of lost really connections with Twilio, which was a smaller Welsh mining village and Yorkshire. And it just I think points to the those connections can easily be lost within a generation. And I kind of feel that a wee bit about the rainbow communities as well. It's very easily typically, you know, what's what's been before us. And so I think that's one of the drivers for me for pride in theaters to make sure we we try not to forget. [00:05:04] I've been working in radio since 1990, mainly in public radio, but also on commercial radio and Wellington access community radio. [00:05:14] Two stories from Radio New Zealand, which I thought were quite interesting, in the mid 90s, I wanted to make rainbow related documentaries. And so I went to a senior manager there. And they turned around and said, You can't have gave voice on the radio. Because if one minority group or on a VM. [00:05:38] And I was thinking what's the problem. [00:05:41] But there was a problem. And so a lot of the documentaries I was making in the 90s actually work broadcast overseas, but they wouldn't have a broadcast in New Zealand. So there's there's about six documentaries that have been broadcast in New Zealand, which is kind of interesting. The thing that pushed me out of Radio New Zealand and two things on sex was it was a quite a small thing. But it was a huge thing as well was that we had done a program on disability. And there was an effort for that that played on a and a senior manager said, We must take this off here because this prison sounds retarded in quotation marks. And I just could not believe the fact that the managers at the time couldn't allow other voices, so to be on radio. So I did a quick exit of Radio New Zealand, and when to access radio on Wellington, and access radio is a community station that has a long association with a whole variety of groups and individuals that allows anyone to broadcast and has had a long association with [00:06:48] rainbow community. So right back from the early broadcast in 1981. I think on the first broadcast, there was [00:06:56] lesbian feminist program. And those the least being community program right from which Linda was set up one of the founders and gave me see which was around kind of homosexual lifestyle. Yeah, yeah, that it's an amazing community platform to to to allow people to to put across the views. And 2008 I undertook a Winston Churchill Memorial fellowship, when I was at access radio, to look at Community Media in California in the US. And to look at sustainability How do it how do we keep things going because access there's always on a knife edge between with a broadcast over with doesn't [00:07:38] really inspired came back to New Zealand thinking that all those all these wonderful people with so much passion. So I put a proposal in New Zealand on the air to get funding for a nationwide radio rainbow program that would have regional reporters and they'll come together and wouldn't do a weekly program that was rejected New Zealand on a see it at the to have a commercial backing in terms of like had to go to like a stadium where some commercial station. And there was no way that a commercial station station was going to run half an hour of quiet content, and that kind of form. And so I've applied to it on here about four times with various things around that that kind of pride in save type thing of having long form rainbow related material in four times I've said no. [00:08:29] But being turned down financially was actually really good. Because actually it prompts you It says off or you know, do it yourself, use the resources that you've got, don't wait for government funding, even if it's small, start small and just keep doing it and problems. It's been going for seven years now. [00:08:46] This actually is the similar hundredth recording that we're doing, [00:08:50] which is really fun. [00:08:55] And to me, it's just amazing that it has kept going. And I think the reason let's keep going as because [00:09:05] we just don't as we can, when we came, we don't try and be this huge, big organization that has you know, if we've gotten resource at the time we do it. Otherwise, we just say well, that would be nice to do, let's work towards towards that. So we're not really setting ourselves up to kind of be huge, and possibly fail. [00:09:22] So basically on the executive editor in the night coordinates, recording projects, bringing people into the projects, like Jake did a wonderful project around the box around Watch Series. Also the homosexual lower form interviews and Debbie's done, economists done some really amazing youth interviews. [00:09:40] Yeah, so it's kind of bringing people in and in getting them kind of involved. And I love that idea of peer to peer interviewing. So it's youth interviewing youth, or elders, elders, just because you have [00:09:56] different axes. And those different groups ask different questions. So it's not always coming from the same point of view, which I really love. [00:10:07] So some of the recordings we do one on one interviews, so reflective, say looking back at somebody's life, looking back at a career, or current interviews, so it's what is happening to somebody in the moment, there's nothing like that kind of energy of, we don't quite know what's going to happen. You know, there's, there's a real energy to it that you don't get history, if you're reflecting back on the something [00:10:30] we do one off recording. So like the Orlando shooting Memorial, which was done by inside out which organize that which was an amazing event, conferences like the proud conference, and even 50 years since I'm a sexual law reform, we still having first select last year we hit the first was at the queer Writers Festival in Auckland, the first time in 30 years that have happened. So we're able to record that. [00:10:57] So for me, it's not about one project stand out, it's about just the fact that it exists up to seven years. And that each recording builds this in contributes to this body of knowledge that we can share and kind of maintain. [00:11:14] For me, [00:11:14] it's all about the you know, the voices that kind of challenge, what I think and channels what other people think, but also a firm community as well. So I get a lot of kind of comfort from hearing kind of rainbow voices. [00:11:30] In terms of gaps or concerns, stories that aren't being told, [00:11:36] you know, [00:11:37] there are thousands of stories, invoices that are being heard. But I don't think it's one organization that will [00:11:45] collect those stories. And sometimes stories aren't meant to be kept, you know, sometimes they they, they just go they are and they go. [00:11:53] But so for Friday and zealots it's doing what we can, but also trying to help enable other groups to do the things. So offering training for other groups to do podcasts and to get on radio to kind of been unable, [00:12:08] unable the [00:12:13] year through training and support. My biggest concern really is I think, Ellen will echo This is the vulnerability of digital files that so we've got 700 recordings on Friday and seed there on two hard drives that have to migrate every four years. If they don't get migrated, that hard drive might fail. What happens with both hard drives fail, you know, we were stuffed. So the fragility of digital files is huge. So I think we'd love to work with you know, logins in terms of developing a way of making sure that we can keep those digital files because it's not like a bit of paper or a photograph which may survive 100 years. In four years time those files might not so it's kind of scary thinking tubes. But I'm here thank you so much for inviting me. [00:13:19] Yeah, kitten hundred is my name. And my background is [00:13:25] Marty effectively on my both my my periods, Ahmadi come from different parts of the country. And, of course, I inherited the histories of where they can find Tim's of [00:13:47] the people that were before them, and the histories that were going on at the time for them so I was brought up in the Bay of Plenty. In Poland water, spent my early life and places like to fight he and moody powder, which are really, really tiny places. [00:14:08] We forestry was the main income for the small town America and to fight he, native forestry was probably the, the income. But my parents were teachers. So they were [00:14:27] they were they they came through the Ardmore Teachers College system. Which means I think these days that they were, they were prepared to be teachers in a certain way. As Marty teachers, they [00:14:46] had to save a little bit of time at night of Marty schools before they didn't mean to primary schools. Like it's the reason why I'm telling you a little bit about my fuck up Nate scenes and those histories, because I'm here to talk really about why it is the songs is the is the means by which legacies, the means by which politics, the means by which emotions and all those sorts of things conveyed. And so [00:15:24] part of the history that comes from my father side [00:15:29] comes down through to Courtney, who was a [00:15:33] well actually where I come from, and the stories of people told me, they use the word portal here, which means a master. So and I think that was somebody that challenges, conventions maybe or the way that things are done. And so, [00:15:54] biota was a particular form of protest that [00:16:01] Corti used to used to use, change the words, reframe away after, and actually play it back, or send it back to his detractors. And so there's the famous [00:16:21] od od, I think it is a really is like a chant compatibility quarter, which is some along the east coast, and he reframed that particular water, to talk about all the things that were going on at the time, land was our lane sales, and so forth. So I talked about that. Because [00:16:48] I've done a little composing, in the compositions that I write about coming from the perspective of being gay or took a taboo, today's society. And so the song, for me was a way of using the tools that I was most comfortable with, particularly with songs. But using those tools to reframe the voices, which I wasn't hearing when I was growing up, in terms of [00:17:20] the winners stories, there were no novels really, they will know there was no, there was no history, there was no scholarly base, around. Around taka taka in so I'd always grown up as a as a youngster nine very well, that was saved six objective, or sexually attracted, probably, for sexually attracted to me. Well became mean, at the time was sexually attracted to anything. That was not anything but [00:18:02] but the [00:18:04] now [00:18:07] but basically the song was written two, at a time when [00:18:14] the civil union bill was was [00:18:18] being debated. And the very public face of Molly done during that time was the disk the church matches because there were predominantly Molly in the churches all and Blake was also around the similar time that even the church and the church in terms of pitcher Vic I was saying, Oh, you know, that sort of thing. So this this particular song was was written in response to what I was saying. And actually I was in Sydney, at the time that those matches were happening then. And I saw it on TV, which actually [00:18:58] gave it an even greater scene so [00:19:01] important to me, because he was sitting overseas watching this going on and thinking that this is what people are seeing over in Sydney. And this is what they're thinking that Mario? No, it's not not the case. So it is about creating. [00:19:19] It is about creating a legacy. But in the first instance, it was actually a political response. And the legacy actually actually came after that. Because the legacy is there, people wanted to sing it. People wanted to create actions to go with the song and took about five years or six years before the actions actually came to the song. [00:19:44] The [00:19:47] and when I talk about the song, I know we're talking about words, but there's actually a whole lot more to it as well, the whole storyline of the journey within within the song, the the different layers within the song so that one of the layers is actually follows a a welcoming process of with a widow when right through to when you've finished your speeches and send me a song, and you're coming together, and so forth. [00:20:20] Yeah, [00:20:20] the other aspects of it was to use language of our forefathers as well. So it's actually uses a lot of language that wasn't developed by me, but phrases that are will not within Molly them to reflect the thoughts. And I wanted. [00:20:39] So [00:20:40] I think to myself, [00:20:43] what can [00:20:44] we learn from from water will absolutely heaps. But as I say it was also using the tools that I thought was most effective for my primary audience, which was Marty and Wyatt Messina part of the audience. [00:21:15] And just a quick note to [00:21:18] the humility that has given us that we make sure is a group is to follow up on that we give life to the way itself, I always singing that, that signature Wyatt. And when we teach it, we always teach the words, what it means in English, the history of it. And let's say that, that net moment, and Kevin was reacting to what was happening here. And he wrote these amazing, beautiful words. But still, it's 12 years later, we're still thinking that we send out on Monday night. And and so that that's the way a lot of quotes, one of the comments that was made it about month or technique to matter to me is all these new words, written every two years for these big mess up performances and never sign up. [00:22:01] Because they're responding to issues of the day, but then there's no groups of writing the next one's informing the next ones. And it's like, [00:22:09] Thomas, I just wanted to hit that [00:22:11] service and care which is any good. [00:22:14] Yeah. [00:22:25] My name is Linda Evans, in here partly is one of the curators of the lesbian and gay archives to put on a telepathically [00:22:35] my personal background is the kind of a hybrid my biological family, there's an Irish in English and came to this country, sort of from the, in the second half of the 19th century, right through to the 30s, various waves. [00:22:56] In the Irish were Irish Catholics. So there was a particular perspective history. [00:23:02] In my, but then for me, also, a big part of my background is being part of woman separation, and lesbian feminism. And that's sort of my that's my family as much as anything. Both, you know, both know. And also, for many years now, I've lived in packet garlicky, so that's kind of become my place, even though it's not where [00:23:26] I [00:23:26] was born [00:23:29] into the lesbian gay archives as an organization that has been around since 1977, in a slightly different form. And it's a little bit like Kevin was saying, you know, it came from activism. And I really liked it. It was the archive, it was called the lesbian and gay rights Resource Center. And it was in a house in a building and bulk up straight, which has since been demolished. [00:23:57] And it was the archives of the nation, okay, Rights Coalition, in pink triangle newspaper. And in fact, one of the Roger Swanson, his the other curator of the archive, one of our colleagues was one of the people who started organizing those papers on a pee pee job in the very beginning. So that was quite an eight kind of beginning. And that, so that was, [00:24:22] but then it became like a resource center that was consciously developed by a couple of guys, who were librarians. And the last one was Phil Parkinson, who really had for many, many years that a huge amount of work on the archive and building that up and making sure it was well documented. And then, and, and also, it was used as an activist way, it was really important for law reform, it sort of produced background material and information for in peace, and really became a specialist archive on HIV AIDS as well as so it's kind of, you know, got a real activist background. [00:25:05] It In 1986, there was a fire and as an attack on the archive. And so at that time, everyone regrouped and thought What the heck, we make it more secure, it's very valuable being in a building that is how the, you know, political groups, community groups, people loving, you know, so you can't it's not a secure building, and you didn't want it to be one. But so, with the cooperation of for Parkinson's colleagues from the tumble, most of the collection was salvaged in an arrangement evolved with the tuba library, so that the archive could be kept kept safe and secure, the year, which has got its pluses and minuses, certainly safe. And the tumble houses that in provides helps us provide access to the collection, the trust still owns the collection. And but of course, it's not a place people can just walk into and brand. So we have to work out other ways to make things more accessible. And I think that's a kind of a big thing for me of working out other other ways to make things available, while still encouraging everyone to come in as well. because there'll be things that we're not going to be putting on the internet or making easily available outside because you know, people's names or their people's personal details of the [00:26:23] the [00:26:25] logins colleagues, manuscripts, like papers of groups, the papers of individuals, so, which is, you know, really important, a really important aspect of any archive, average papers don't always survive. People move on people move house, you know, sometimes the record keeping is not great, because because of the activist nature of media of the groups. And we have posters, other kinds of things that are produced in the course of creating our culture's creating our political groups. [00:27:00] And there are events and political actions. So posters, flyers, ephemeral buttons, you know, all of that kind of material. But also, we're interested in personal accounts, of what [00:27:16] people's experiences, in the observations in the thoughts about things. And I guess that's where the oral history came, in which I see this, Elizabeth is kind of put me down for as well, because it's my day job as a curator of the Oral History Center, as well as now the oral history and sound collection at the Alexander temple library. And that's your job, which, at the moment focuses on the collection of recordings of interviews intervenes, but also can be involved with training and research and other aspects as well. And I think our industry is really valuable as a way of English certain material, making sure people's voices are included, especially if they may not have large numbers of papers, or large, or a whole lot of other photographs, or whatever to show for their lives and their activities. But it's I mean, I think our history is valuable with the well known or not, because it can cover those mundane aspects of life, it can have a people's personal reflections. And I think one of the things where it differs a little bit from what Gareth is doing, which is so valuable Heaven, all the material that's readily available, is if people want to speak, frankly, they can retain some control over access to the material for some time if they want to. So that we can say, you know, we'd like to get the sensitive material on it's quite a sensitive topic, and people to be free to talk openly about it. And then it can be restricted for a system time, or they can be a permission procedure. So it's just got that extra layer possible. And then you know, maybe and in way into the future, it will be available more widely, but for now it can be mediated the access to it. [00:29:11] So I think one of the get all of your talk about a project that were that I was and where I think we all have been happy with that we used to news news to work with them over the years around homosexual, Laura form, and Gareth did some really valuable digitization work for us when we got a small grant. And we were able to digitize recordings relevant to law reform some of those on Friday and seed. And I'm David Henley's wonderful photographs that have been the images you often see of, especially of the Wellington aspect of the law reform campaign. But we'd like to, you know, make more material available now and work on some other topics. Because what anything that's readily available, that's what gets used. And I think we would have noticed that during that celebrations, the anniversaries and stuff everyone reaches for that material that's readily available. And those are the images that get reproduced in those the sound bites get reproduced. And so it's great to be had the mic now we want to do more. [00:30:15] In terms of the gaps? Well, there's lots of gifts. I mean, we tried to be comprehensive about all of our related communities and [00:30:25] out era, we do have some overseas material, because it's no doubt been really influential in in what's happened here. And people have traveled to and fro. People have read stuff from overseas and been inspired by [00:30:41] the digital the the fact that we don't have the ability yet to do the preservation of digital material, we can collect it. But we don't have the access to preservation yet. That's one of our most urgent and pressing needs. [00:30:56] And I think the other get for us as the statistics. [00:31:01] Well as people will know who volunteered to do volunteer work at the archive, we're kind of only on the threshold of organizing ourselves to move forward with it, being able to draw on community resources. And we always would like more and [00:31:18] personal stories, personal photographs, so on. So if you've got anything that you think would be a good contribution to the archive, please talk to me or to Roger, and would be really happy to talk with you about it. And if anyone's got any questions later, happy to answer them. [00:31:47] increasing [00:31:51] costs, and other [00:31:54] killed Tick [00:31:58] Tock Tock we find out. I'm Shannon Torrington and I've just finished a project called we don't have to be the building which is currently on Courtney place in the light boxes. And I'm here via video to talk about some of the processes around recording our stories through creative names for that project. [00:32:23] So it was for me, it was about a proper looking for my career ancestors through activism, and, and aren't making starting with homosexual or form 30 years ago. So that was a real catalyst for me this year, really kicked me into action, and sort of gave me permission to to look for look for some of our stories, as well. I used a consent based model for this project. So I felt like it was okay for me to ask for people be involved and talk to me and and sit for me to be drawn. As long as it was always okay for people to say no, at any point through the, through the process. Someone asked me recently what the methodology was. [00:33:14] And I said curiosity, [00:33:17] creativity, [00:33:19] care, layering, acceptance, stuff like that. So for me, it was quite a [00:33:26] human sort of projects that wasn't academic. But it was a research project through various media. So I started in like AMS and the lesbian and gay archives. And they showed me a lot of stuff about about the history that I didn't know, and particularly around solidarity, politics, conflict and divisions within our community divisions that within their 30 years ago, and still there now. [00:34:00] They showed me things I didn't expect. The project was focused on the queer female support of homosexual law reform. And from there and expanded look at what prevents us from freely accessing and exploring our own bodies, genders and sexualities. One of the things I found in the archives and like ends was about the exclusion of bisexual women at that time in the 80s, and 90s. From from feminist, lesbian spaces from women spaces. I didn't know about that, it was really painful to learn about that and read about that in the archives. And as a researcher, and as an artist, I had to address that in my project. So and that was, [00:34:49] that was one of the points from the project started to become more about solidarity and how we reach each other across our differences, then then maybe a might be about anything else. aside, I had to rely on my own friendships and my own relationships of trust, to ask for those those stories in the project and there and one of the light boxes. There's also solidarity called for in the archives for land rights and honor integrity to for why Tony, and people talked a lot about caring about oppression that doesn't directly affect you. People saw homosexual or form as a human rights issue that affected us all. [00:35:37] And for me, that was really motivation to think about creative ways to bring us together. I put this, this word my he talked them from more energetic than last week, the work to bring us together. And yeah, I feel like that's really, really important. I wanted the project of the intergenerational and that's one of the things that's happened through the archives, it's allowed me to put the voices of our ancestors into those boxes, some of whom I know, and some of them are dying. And, and through that, I guess I've produced a new archive of all of our stories of embodied creative research and documentation. [00:36:28] I just wanted to talk a little bit about the farmer farmer. So everything in this project was invented, was about listening and being guided. And the last stage was the was the dawn blessing. And the knowledge and wisdom of how to do that was bought by to fund a foreigner was powerful and generous and wise. And I will always be deeply grateful for that. I understand also, that that was a real moment in our in our career and tuck, tuck, read, history, and that's all been documented as well. So everything's been documented through photographs, and audio and video, and as well as drawing and, and writing. [00:37:15] The project was a range of experimental offers. And it was really revolutionary for me about the ability of creative practice, to hear, hold, reflect and record our stories. [00:37:31] And to do that through workshops, through drawing people through asking people for their stories. [00:37:37] And for me, as an artist, for that to be a service that I could offer to my community to be a kind of skilled vessel for those those stories. So that's my contribution to, to tonight [00:38:03] to the tattoos and Chevy, basically the National Coordinator inside out, I just wanted to thank as a person to find a foreigner for inviting us here to be part of this tonight. Think it's really gets a little bit intimidating speaking after these wonderful people have been collecting all this history. And I guess, because we're an organization that has only been around for four years, and everything's new, and we're talking about social media. [00:38:28] And we've done lots of work with people like Gareth develop Hannah and Sean. And actually just this week, we've been putting together a little power to submit to login so it's really exciting. yet so I'm happy. I grew up in the UK, Suffolk East Anglia [00:38:44] my family my mom fight is comes from England and Scotland. In move to England. She doesn't know the yet she doesn't know her, her dad so that part of our families little get for us. [00:39:00] My dad side of the family, mostly English with a first impression and Japanese connections. So we've kind of Yeah, [00:39:08] but sphere and me. And my family moved over to New Zealand. In 2005. My parents split up and my mom decided to escape and go on holiday for six months. And she asked us where we wanted to go. And we were really into Lord of the Rings. So he said music. [00:39:26] Nine days later, we flew here and never went back. [00:39:31] I've now been 10 years later, I would think my first time it was Yeah, so we were really lucky to to come [00:39:36] to la Sierra and [00:39:39] eventually get residency here. Just so so grateful for that. Get back to me. And here I've lived in Toronto, Lynam Nelson, now Elton, new town, and we're happy to be here. [00:39:54] Yeah. Hi, I'm Connor. I'm Tucker top three. I'm an isotonic, or [00:40:00] Katerina, which is top of the South Island. [00:40:03] I grew up in Fiji. I lived there for eight years of my life. And then I shifted to Nelson. [00:40:09] And I did lots of activity kind of stuff is a teenager, I've always been a very idealistic kind of person, very big dreamer. And so I went to school, bite off too heavy and leads Leyland's alliance of Chris and straight after her and I was on the board of cool you down there. And then tab he invited me into to be a part of inside out when I shifted to Wellington a couple years ago. So now I'm skulls coordinator inside out? I do. I just network with schools. And I guess a lot of our work can be found on social media, and TV and I constantly like what's we post on the Facebook or Twitter or Instagram? And I know it feels weird, heavy America actual presentation about back because it's just like. [00:41:06] So yeah, I'm really, I'm really happy to be here. And I think a large part of what we do it inside out is we're by you for your organization. So it's pretty intimidating, being surrounded a lot in our work by people will older inexperienced than us. But we like to think that we have some kind of goofy perspective. [00:41:30] Yes, the inside out. So we're a national charity, established for years ago, [00:41:37] kind of came out of get my experience at high school going to the first school probably in the Asia Pacific region to have a straight line. So rainbow diversity group, when I was coming out that was just incredible to have my school kind of filming who I was, and to have a peer group support me in that. But through that a little bit, a lot of other young people didn't have that same experience. And that, yeah, there's some really horrific bullying going on across the country in our schools. And there still is. [00:42:06] So yeah, I got involved in setting up a community group for nothing cookies to cover, and I will best part of and then [00:42:14] yeah, once you finish school, there's not really much to do enough. And so it was kind of like, Okay, I need to get out of here. But also there's this, I don't want to stop doing this work, it's so important. And today we're confused, we got in touch with what's other groups or schools or get in touch with us kind of wanting to know how they could start up similar groups. So just kind of really saw I'm talking about gets we're sort of escape for yet an organization to really be doing work to support our schools, to support people in our communities to be safe at school. So that's kind of where inside out started. And then I've just grown and grown and expanded our vision to be a bit folder and think about all the ways that we can make people feel safer in our in our communities. And schools are still our main focus, because kind of everything so good. That's only event. Yeah, we like to look at different ways that we can do that. [00:43:07] So Can everybody read that this has been inside out we are colada we are. [00:43:14] So my head says the concept of quarter inside out is about supporting people to be happy and accepting of themselves and inside, and then continuing that support to see them be a positive influence in their communities, using their story to help others. So I'm a really big while we're all really big supporters of telling our personal stories. And we do that about workshops, and things like that really helps because most of our educators, they usually they usually have lots of lots of stories on [00:43:48] the slide. [00:43:50] So as a youth organization, social media is vital. Because that is how you reach a lot of young people. So that's our Facebook page promoting tonight, you have to get some people along today on sphere [00:44:06] we go. [00:44:09] One really cool thing about Facebook in terms of getting looking at like where to get on Facebook, you can throw a page, you can do this thing called insights. And you can actually see who is interacting with your page. So you can see, like what age groups were about some of the country they are [00:44:24] gender, can see how many people have interacted with each posts that you don't stop service that can be really useful in terms of maybe figuring out who you're not reaching through this platform or what things are working now to post. [00:44:41] This is that Instagram. [00:44:45] Weird, it looks different on your phone. [00:44:47] One thing I love about Instagram as you can when you get Instagram, okay. [00:44:58] Instagram is basically a mobile at when you share photos. And see [00:45:06] Insta pot is the idea that it's meant to be can insert so you can show and people can see what you're doing in that moment. I can't say we're better. [00:45:14] I'd [00:45:14] like to Graham kind of person. [00:45:19] And a lot of young people use Instagram, so and it's I guess it's Yeah, it's really visual. So it's just the image you can put a little caption. But it's mostly Yeah, that kind of image and whatever that portrays. So fast. We mostly use it when we have been so probably do one tonight. But hey, we're here doing this cool thing. And then anyone who likes our page, can you see what we've been doing? And I guess it's a way of sort of like a newsletter but like a constant one in a way because it's kind of people constantly knowing what your what things you're involved in supporting in the community. Yeah. So one thing I like is on Instagram, you can attach your locations, you can put your way where you are. And then people can search that location and see all the photos that were taken. So for example, last week, we had our National Day of Silence campaign, which is about breaking the silence and schools about homophobia and transphobia. And the silencing that lots of people have to go through about their identities. So we went on to anything else. [00:46:20] Maybe the open mic to break the silence, we spell check. And then on Instagram, we were able to share that the photo and put Wellington girls college. So now we never want anyone, maybe past students, so whoever looks at Willington girls college on Instagram, they'll see this photo with the rainbow flag and the Day of Silence stuff. So it's kind of it's also attaching history to like faces and way. Yeah, another way of believing that legacy. That's a Twitter page, currently looking for board members. [00:46:50] Yeah, okay. We have seen to have a slightly older audience following us on Twitter. So it's interesting as well to say he put things out in different the same things on different platforms or responses you get will be engaged. Cool thing that Twitter's that you can read retweets they can share what other people have posted. So like today we retweeted isn't right. But you know, when they were sharing the research study, that people who are Asian and part of our community, so you click a little button, and that also goes out to all the people that follow us as well. And YouTube [00:47:23] yet, so list social media, like you said, yes, that video and sharing stories. But another way that we like to put things out there, especially for some of us, usually events that we've done, kind of capturing better experiences event and putting it out to people. And I think, yeah, I'd like to, I'd like to thank them. However many years time people [00:47:44] be able to watch those and get a little glimpse of what we created in those environments. [00:47:47] Basis blocks for our recent day silence campaign, getting people to share some of their personal stories. And so get again, kind of what it's like in 2016. We've got some from the before as well. So maybe, yeah, what's it going to be like, in 10 years time? When we not for catching those stories about school? What? What will it change? Right? So [00:48:10] yes, I just wanted to talk about a Day of Silence campaign as one example, a way that we use social media so that [00:48:18] we're not secret. [00:48:22] So I'm going to explain the concept of a hashtag. [00:48:35] Can you help me here? [00:48:38] That's your slide. [00:48:42] Okay, so [00:48:46] why it's a hashtag anyway. [00:48:51] You can make a hashtag of anything. So we could make one for this debate with the hashtag leaving a legacy or something on lots of social media platforms, people will be able to search for that. And then all the posts that anyone has ever tagged with that will come up. So it's officially used on Instagram, Twitter, and Tumblr, not so much on Facebook a little bit. [00:49:12] It's like a library [00:49:13] catalog. So [00:49:14] yeah. [00:49:18] reduce costs the period, [00:49:25] create something [00:49:29] that's really useful for the dead silence, because we'd be able to kind of track how the campaign's going across the country through that hashtag. So I would switch it up, and then we'd be able to put that on our website and stuff. [00:49:41] Yeah. [00:49:44] And yeah, so I guess hashtags that often is by people have similar interests. And they often use for events, for people to kind of click things like this. So those are some of the things that caught submitted for us, on our Facebook. So selfies, the silence, it's part of the campaign where people, either themselves or their organizations is what they're doing to break the silence about homophobia, and transphobia. [00:50:07] Yeah. [00:50:10] And this is just an example of some of the ones that we found by [00:50:14] by putting in the hashtag, Day of Silence we did balanced game, these are some of the pictures that came up from New Zealand laser, see, completely different people. We've never met some of those people in different parts of the country, who are joining our campaign and taking partner and this also communities. [00:50:32] And they can make such that and see who else is taking part. And I think especially as a national organization, I think social media is something that's so important for us as a way to, for people to feel connected, and especially for young people, young people and rainbow communities and rural communities as a way for them to feel like they're connected to something bigger, and there are other people out there to support them, or Yeah. [00:50:58] So yeah, I want us to talk a little bit bit about that connection. Because I think for a lot of young people, social media is this huge connection. So we have an annual who we average around in that I we have a young people, old people, mostly young people from all over the country, to commit to tougher to animate I and have about three nights, so like four days of workshops, and coding or in food and just kind of all getting to know each other. And for a lot of people, it's kind of the first time they've been able to express the the genes are the identity, [00:51:41] just who they are, and an open and safe place. So we advertise that through social media, people find out about it through social media. And afterwards, all of the people that were at out who he go into, like a Facebook group, and they all say connected. So I'm that's the group. And [00:52:04] those are some of kind of the comments that we get afterwards, people are still posting on from like, even just a few days ago. So that top one says, I had an inquiry this morning, because I realized I had so much support when I came out gender fluid. Lego says thank you, everyone, for showing me who I truly am much love. And the bottom one is class, it's just those kind of comments came up a lot. And so it was also important for us to be able to see the value of that work, and show kind of all of this connectivity with all these young people. And I think even though that might not be recorded as leaving a legacy through the connections formed and friendships made. [00:52:47] And it was like that for me and 2012 when I went to hurry Pataki when I was when I was a Whoa, he put this [00:53:01] and those groups aren't just limited to shift hurry. They like and so many different organizations throughout the country. [00:53:10] Right from to Nathan, right up to find a day, all all around, basically, they're all these different groups. And I think it's just really important to acknowledge, like, those connections and how they have been charged through social media, and especially people in rural communities feeling more connected to a wider community. [00:53:34] But have some as for the debts, I had some questions so that I don't know the answer. I'm not a social media expert, who has access to social media technology, and who doesn't just consume ability of social media limit that scope. By that I mean, social media is something that's very fast and often kind of superficial. [00:53:57] I could be very raw, [00:53:59] but at some that's kind of it's a popularity contest a lot. So the most popular stuff is generally the most consumed and people want to put stuff on there that's popular. And I feel like that kind of limits sometimes what we can fit on social media, or online connections as real or as powerful. I don't really have an answer. But I feel like a lot of people would argue that they aren't. And a lot of people would argue that they are as a collaborative field, overdone and subjectivity. by that. I mean, social media is something that's created by everyone. It's like a hive mind. And everybody has their own agenda with social media. So when we've got like a hive mind full of agendas and subjectivity, he's like, Can we really find like a truthful narrative in that? [00:54:47] Yeah. [00:54:57] Wonderful, [00:54:58] thank you for voting, I was just really struck by what you said, just being about the most popular stories being the ones that get returned. And that totally fits with what was said earlier, about. Even within the archive, the stuff that's most readily available, in most popular gets told over and over, say something just to bear in mind that even if we've collected the information, they still particular narratives that get recycled and reinforced because of its ease of access, or it's perceived clarity, security, we're going to take a break from the section, have a stretch, come outside, have a drink. And we're going to stop the next section of tonight's [00:55:47] already. [00:55:50] So [00:55:52] this is [00:55:54] the last part of the section. [00:55:58] And just so people we have high of this [00:56:02] coming to this workshop came out of two places, one of them was logins talking about strategic planning, some of the things that we need to take leadership for and responsibility for, or support within different communities. And the other part of it is the project to phenomena is leading with the National rainbow strategy. And that is about wanting to coordinate our efforts across the country and across that diverse communities. And so of course, keeping our stories, making sure they told them recorded and preserved as a key part of their so just to flake, I will not be writing this out and sending them to people. [00:56:42] It's not going to happen. This is the process, it's us talking, it's us thinking, and then this gets feed into the groups that will be will do some of this work. And so that's why it's really enough the issues is so important, because some of it, it's going to be really obvious key organizations will take on those roles, that others, that's his communities, and as groups and people who work together, how do we collectively work on some of those things. So we're going to take people who feel an affinity to a particular section, or two to grab off that section off the wall and find you a space, we can go back and grab the cheese to come out here, sit around the tables, [00:57:30] or just talk about yourself and just think, what are some of the key priorities that need to happen in that area? And who should do it. [00:57:40] Because dealing with homelessness, and visibility of LGBT IQ, and people who are homeless, who's responsible for that we don't have a specific group that does that. So therefore, his does that mean, we need a new group or the particular groups who are on the edge of that, that could work together to progress that is an the ship if we take that particular priority. [00:58:04] And I would just like to say how how pleased I am there, even though this is a particular focus for this evening, how broad everybody has has been in the thinking. And again, that system we had connected out the people in this room, and how to connect to that community is that we're thinking way, way past our little parts of what we do, and how we think. So I'm guessing the practical things. People who work in archives, libraries, and recording specifically might like to take this away, we don't have a lot of paper. So right small, and as many posted city bike. [00:58:43] Be like a whole multicolored chat. [00:58:48] Because Elizabeth forgot the whiteboard markers. Yes. So I'd like to suggest to group those ones. People who are particularly interested in around it into the invisibility and void says that's probably another natural grouping these ones around representation and how communities can work. [00:59:11] And being over here, [00:59:13] yeah, overlooking voices, [00:59:14] how do we actually get to increase the numbers of voices? So these are clearly overlapping as well. [00:59:21] And it's my [00:59:25] question is, [00:59:29] if we're thinking about [00:59:33] areas, organizations, beyond just the LGBT I organizations, can we point them out? [00:59:44] That it's a central either governmental? [00:59:47] Or, [00:59:47] you know, United Nations should get down to this, if we think that that's [00:59:52] a route that should be explored as well. [00:59:54] Definitely, other groups are not in the room and other organizations and agencies, because the make that sends a signal about who we need to partner with her, we need to put pressure on [01:00:05] the embassy. [01:00:12] Who else could do this? [01:00:13] Absolutely. do go to the council? [01:00:17] Yeah, [01:00:18] absolutely. Definitely. So just I would like to come over and even grid some things off here. For my little group, and it can be completely random, that's all good. And just have a think about what we actually what are some of the great creative ways that we can start addressing, given what we already do so well, in our community. How do we use the systems? We've all got set up the frameworks, we [01:00:44] care? How do we, [01:00:47] yeah, [01:00:49] start sorting this out. [01:00:57] Okay, so [01:00:57] Well, let's group will have a of a similar talk, those kind of issues. And not not solely this, this sort of more policy and inclusiveness things. But we sort of group them into the need for preservation of digital records of the communities and of individuals. So long term preservation and how we work that out. And then an archiving of social media, which is an ongoing headache for many communities all over the world. But so that's something that's it that's being worked on. And we want to keep in touch with the work that other groups are doing [01:01:39] different sorts of access to LG, bt IQ plus, etc, including online access. So that was all the different ways of making material that's in our archives in some way or being contributed accessible to different communities, which may be physically or it may be online. [01:02:04] And one thing about the one sort of sub group IDs was that it's important, for example, especially relating to social media is to keep records of passwords and so on, which is like we were comparing it to, you know, p o box keys, and bank accounts, signatories, and all those sort of things that groups have to keep a track of keeping having really good documentation of all of these processes. [01:02:34] And there was a specific proposal for a queer digital working group to meet staff meeting regularly, which has been discussed before. So hopefully, we can make it happen. And then there were more policy things about making logins and particular, more responsive to connecting with younger [01:03:00] generations. And the perception of logins is only for lesbians and gays. So does, she has to be dealt with. And then there was other kind of difficult issues that were mentioned, and maintaining the continuous continuity of collecting. [01:03:21] So it was there's this so this was all about practicalities and policies of [01:03:27] archiving and preserving the material [01:03:30] that record Eric's records our existence now and attributes to all the legacies we want to leave. [01:03:38] Thank you. [01:03:43] Yeah. Which is about [01:03:46] connecting the dots beyond our know, and we'll have collectors enough others through to the other museums, and an institution prices in a miscellaneous and stuff like that. [01:04:00] Yes, right, making those known [01:04:02] well, and sometimes [01:04:04] supporting them to interpret them to [01:04:10] places for [01:04:12] capital think it does make a difference to interpret. Whereas some places Don't [01:04:16] even start [01:04:17] to identify things as adventurous researchers and the same sex relationships or whatever, however, we want to express it. [01:04:30] So these homeless person with disability areas that we looked at, and I guess these water society issues, as well as LGBT on the shoes, in the [01:04:44] end really was just a concern about keeping the profile, raising the profile of those things, and proving the services particularly for people with disabilities. But the other thing was actually raising the quality of life expectations. And terms of [01:05:02] you know, there's life beyond being hopeless, maybe Emmerdale and out of the system by their or their in that situation, because financially, economically, the world's against them, that type of thing. So it's raising [01:05:18] society's expectations of what we should be, shouldn't speak. And I think it's probably a supporting, gated in pepco welfare groups, which exist in the community meetings are, they are they are there and [01:05:33] encouraging. [01:05:39] And the other issue was Buddhist, which would sort of changed around a little bit. But this was recognizing people who work really hard and the community for the week that they given against the priorities, were showing that we will take care of each other. [01:05:56] each other's health with sharing the load, have fun, I guess might actually be quite good. But also having clear visions and values around the work that you're doing. So that has real meaning, then, you know, what you're focusing on? [01:06:17] Not so much the Boone app with the one before which is services and that for old people. Yeah, I don't think that that's something that's really had much work done on a year. [01:06:31] And it's another sort of in depth of the three of us can be can be isolated [01:06:37] area where it's very difficult to get even older people with interest rates, [01:06:42] they seem to want to shut their [01:06:45] which we tried in rainbow well, and from there was a member of the Board who's really trying to get sort of a sort of an amateur league a project. He said whenever he spoke to people they just did not want to know and it wasn't just the young [01:06:58] ones in the server server. So [01:07:01] from part of the part of the whole battle people want to close their own is the problem until it probably gets that [01:07:11] just amen wine. If someone's made a suggestion to add someone, could you please move ahead that she physically add that so we don't lose anything kilda. And [01:07:25] I'm sure that I'm Adrian, [01:07:27] and our, our group talks mostly about in fighting within our community. And I think that's actually related to that to the burnout, one that just came up, but just particularly for those of us who are working in organizations working in groups working to create events, and that's the place that I'm speaking from. [01:07:49] There's just [01:07:51] a, maybe I'll just tell a personal, my personal story. But so an altar Karen about to for Karen, and I am Brian, part of the organizing team running Burlington pride and down in the park. And so a lot of what we do in particular is trying to represent put on events every year to represent the entire spectrum of the community that everyone in the community is there, LGBT q amp a, and you know, every letter possible, the new emerging ones that are coming all the time, and we're trying really hard to represent all of the diversity, cultural age, you know, so many different things. And in that space, it's really difficult because a lot of groups come together and are fighting each other. There's a lot of fighting that goes on. And not just disagreements, but really kind of attacking each other. And there's a lot of emotional stuff happening. And so we just talked a lot about that in our group. So what what are some of the solutions or suggestions for, for dealing with that. And some, we talked a lot about what we could learn from the past. And this isn't a new issue that we're we have factions are different, you know, divisions in our community, but at various points in time we've come together, we've crossed those those divisions and come together to fight against the common cause, say, for homosexual law reform, or different things like marriage equality, where we have these big, big issue. So it's kind of like a unifying issue. And we were just talking about what, maybe we need something like that now. And what is that one unifying issue, but or maybe multiple? But what are those unifying issues for our entire community? So we didn't have an answer to that, but just putting that out to the room. [01:09:40] And maybe that would help us try to start working together, but more. But we also talked about maybe having regular conferences, actually calling it out, calling out the fact that we are there is a lot of us fighting going on. And maybe we need to find different ways to listen to each other better and safer spaces. And so have a space specifically for that on a regular basis, maybe or once a year, [01:10:07] whoever redirect the [01:10:08] energy is, actually maybe it's okay, that [01:10:11] they're all obviously it's okay, that there's different views and the how do we have a safe space for that to happen and learn about each other? As the community evolves over time changes? [01:10:22] Yeah, because I mean, we're talking here about all the different issues, we just happened to get this one. But all the other issues, we want people to be able to come together and work together. And so that's not happening that well, [01:10:35] you know, often. So what are some of the solutions? And, [01:10:39] yeah, and then this contributes to burn out all of this stuff contributes to burn out and taking care of each other, I think is a really good thing. But often we're not taking care of each other. So how do we address that? Again, that's a question for the room. And there was some stuff around visibility and just, [01:10:57] you know, [01:11:00] when we're making really difficult decisions, for instance, another personal example, or from the work that we do around canceling movie fundraisers, for instance, you know, this is something that we often talk about will have a fundraiser with the movie. And then you have people who say, Oh, we don't like the way that our group was being represented in that film, for instance. And then we have a committee sit around and debate it for hours, we don't just make that decision lightly. We sit around and we go, okay, which way do we go with this decision? And often there, it's disagreements, dissenting views, some people will be unhappy if you cancel, and some people will be unhappy if you show it. So who's who do you go with in that case? And so we often end up going well, actually, it's the people who have less power who have are more vulnerable and have less visibility in our community here, we end up siding with often not siding with but we go with, you know, that decision goes that way. But that's just in our are committed, but you know, so there's just a lot, I think those discussions need to happen at a wider level, rather than just in our little, you know, small committee. But maybe we should all be having those discussions as a community. So [01:12:16] we've got these different opinions and experiences, [01:12:19] name it, and then do something more positive. [01:12:24] Can I engage you the two eight, just right, naming it? [01:12:28] A restorative practice? Yes. [01:12:36] And our last group, [01:12:41] to new speakers, if you'd like to introduce, [01:12:47] shoulda, coulda had a Dave is talking on. And she can push a little going on. [01:12:53] So really, we must know quite a group [01:12:57] of people on one. [01:12:59] But anyway, this was really my interest of the sort of some very diverse things that we have pulled. And here. And so we're really talking about the some of the more about, [01:13:09] really what we don't know about the community. So it's about them doing the research so that you're going to see, you know, that all the old things that you're going to record. And then, so there's the oral history of different groups, but there's also other social side of social research. And, you know, so even so there's a lot of anecdotal evidence, you know, and comments that people make about the community, but there has not been researched properly. In many areas I'm smoking, something that I saw, [01:13:40] was reading about the other day, that high level research has been done on suicide for young all [01:13:47] gay people. And even though it's anecdotally knowing that there's a lot, it's very, very hard to find that out, because [01:13:52] it's not recorded at the time. [01:13:54] And there's all those kinds of youth, you know, so the research wouldn't just be purely research would be, it would have practical outcomes. Okay. And as as who's doing the research, I mean, it's not really done through organizations with doing it as individuals or, you know, to a university, whatever. But just put a question mark about groups [01:14:17] involved in research. [01:14:20] Couple of me three, you know, not sure about the funding, either, you know, it's to me, they come back to me, that's the basis so far, you're building up a [01:14:30] big picture, really, [01:14:33] a full picture to the gang community. [01:14:37] Thank you so much. [01:14:42] Well, thank you, everybody, for your contributions. And, and we believe that a lot of what we've captured and the stickers and on the papers as a type of a guide to we're going to keep moving, but also the conversations that you're having in the room, we believe will be part of what happens after this and how things develop in the future. So a final Thank you. And we hope you had fun this evening, or at least be sure that you actually did some work, and it was really valuable. [01:15:17] As I say, we're not necessarily going to write back and report directly that this is an informal group of people who happened to be able to come tonight and we're interested that there are many other people are going to feed in two different paths of the strategy, but that for sure, logins is going to be continuing to work on this work to kind of fun for sure, we'll be continuing to work on this end. And through that, working with all the organizations because I just want to do a quick recap of actually the organizations that are represented and not necessarily that you hear with your head on to speak on their behalf but just who's in the room, so just like to do a final work bound to finish off. So you know, to fund of funds and logins and oratorio he saw on the pic body for us development. So I'd like to just do a quick round of organizations [01:16:10] top [01:16:12] guy archives [01:16:17] website, Lisbon gay guys. [01:16:26] Really the my radio program capital, which I do on coach Texas radio, [01:16:32] Wellington pride and out of the park [01:16:35] to phenomena like it's [01:16:39] Wellington pride and let's be radio show. [01:16:42] Okay father's group, and myself personally. [01:16:46] volunteer for the game. [01:16:49] I'm just an individual. [01:16:54] Thank you so much. And it says I just wonder if we could do a quick kind of kiya to finish things off and satellite [01:17:03] company [01:17:05] guitar took a torture to fly to Tokyo he could it be tell how to make it to make it the value of [01:17:14] money kill time.

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