Launch of the Wellington Pride Festival 2019

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in [00:00:05] So I'm one of the CO directors of the Wellington pride Festival this year, myself and Paula, along with a few supporters have been pulling us all together. [00:00:15] We're pretty excited. We're about to launch. We've got a bunch of people from community sponsors [00:00:22] are the volunteers, the people organizing the event, some of the venues coming to join us tonight, and the mayor will cut a big ribbon. And [00:00:31] yeah, and then the Pfister will be underway. So all those sleepless nights will suddenly seem so worth it. Pretty excited now, I'll put a sneak look through the program and there are so many events. Yeah, we counted up 128 things you can be doing over the next 17 days after the launch will be down 227 with super excited the first event in the festival this year was a youth only event organized by inside out that quiz night they've called it who wants to be a gazillionaire which is [00:01:00] Fabulous, who doesn't want to be a gazillionaire? Right? [00:01:03] So why is it important to to have youth events and these pride festivals? I think that it's super important to have youth events throughout the year but particularly to celebrate our rainbow youth LGBT q a positive throughout pride and to make them a priority, or there's going to be the youth ball towards the end of the festival along with the other events. It's just [00:01:29] Gosh, why I guess I have to personalize it for me. When I was growing up queer, there was no visibility, there was no one like me. There was no support. And for these guys, they've got a whole lot of the same issues and then a whole lot of issues we didn't have the world's have changed place but that they can come together and have youth only spaces that are welcome and other spaces that are important. You know, that horrible cliche, but it's for reals. They are our future. [00:02:01] And what are some of the other events that are that are coming up in the program, we're pretty lucky that we shifted the dates to coincide with the yoga World Conference this year, because that's meant we also coincide with the Fringe Festival. So we've been able to Totaku our LGBT q A plus fine, I've got shows on the fringe. So we've got a really awesome theater lineup bit of you know, bigger than we could have expected. Were also that's pretty neat. There a number of other events have done a very this to be youth friendly, and if not, not completely accessible, venue. One, we are accessible as you can be organized prior so that people can, you know, go to as many events as possible. Obviously, the 16th Super looking forward to the pride hiko for the youth and young at heart, looking out the window today and I think we'll be having our youth putting up tomorrow but we haven't called that yet. We're waiting till after the six o'clock news. Check the weather report properly. [00:02:57] There's just been so much fantastic support from the [00:03:00] Organizations community staff are on board doing some features the MCs Service website are going to be doing some ads for us. And just yeah, it's all really positive and supportive. I think [00:03:14] one of my highlights is going to be an event that wasn't the old devotion festival and it's going to be on the lot is pretty much the last event of the CSP civil on Sunday the 24th Garden tours that it does and John's definitely worth checking out they are just always fed and apparently I'm baking for that because their fundraising for gender minorities altar or without the there's Yeah, out in the park. Of course everything that goes with that really looking forward to that to just the diversity You know, there's there's a little bit of something for everyone. We've got a fishing outing you know, you can if you've never been fishing before, you're a seasoned special and you just want to go fish with some other quiz. You've got veteran this time around. There's tons of history running through it, of course the pride in xid walked over. [00:04:00] is one on each of the three weekends to pupper have jumped on board. They're doing two behind the scenes tours, one at cable Street and one up at the Tori street facility. They're also doing a private one on one panel through friends of developer. So that's pretty exciting stuff too. So how far in advance? Do pride festivals have an abundance of I planned? We started talking about it when out Wellington had very gym, April May last year. And then the committee started to meet once a month we put expressions of interest up on the website, possibly not with enough lead in time but we're bit short on team members and nobody really managing the website but just through our networks and talking this has probably been coming together for about six months. The actual what's going to be in the festival and she actually knows or fair to say the majority of it came in in the last six weeks, but it's been really exciting to be able to [00:05:00] fit in as many different events for the different parts of our community and for everybody really to celebrate. What's the most stressful part? [00:05:08] Wow, the most stressful part? I don't know, I think things may seem a little stressful because you do a lot of late nights. And, you know, we're all working day jobs as well. So not getting a lot of sleep may make it feel stressful is something akin to herding cats. It really is. But don't seem to get too stressed about it. Just wanting everything to kind of line up, I suppose making sure. Yeah, working as hard as we could to make sure there weren't too many events that were clashing with one another that might be of interest to some audiences, but not stress. It's just fun and it's exciting to be able to volunteer and do something like this. That means our community can be out and proud and all over the density for a couple of weeks. One of the really exciting things for me is to walk down kortnee place or walk around the waterfront and see all these rainbow flags. [00:06:00] God to the importancy a huge rainbow flag on the front view for I mean, what kind of feeling do you get from seeing all that kind of stuff in town? I think it's the biggest pride visibility that Wellington's ever seen even back when we did devotion, it wasn't all of that sort of level of support. And I've noticed a bunch of stores have been doing the window fronts and that kind of stuff. So it feels awesome. It feels really visible and validated and just gives me hope that next year and in future years, we can get them to put up some of the other flags like the Chinese flag, the flag, the flag, the lesbian flag, basically everybody's flags and sorry for those I missed out because you know, we've only got a short interview [00:06:40] for you what makes a successful pride festival. [00:06:44] For me, it would be an email I got a Facebook message rather I got today was somebody who said they felt really disconnected from our community for a few years now. And they were looking forward to attending as few events or as many as they can [00:07:00] Could over these two weeks and really wanted to have that sense of like wider rainbow final connectedness and I believe they're coming here tonight. So [00:07:11] looking forward to seeing them. [00:10:19] Now my head of my Qatar Qatar know later it might make it a year [00:10:27] or two from now. [00:10:32] If a Tokyo [00:10:34] ticket [00:10:36] cannot make to help if [00:10:40] you don't always know [00:10:42] tomorrow Montana meto no data hickety Korea muhfucka India team [00:10:51] we [00:10:53] can [00:10:55] never get going to hand over the reins to to Greek [00:11:02] Everyone and welcome to the Wellington 2019 launch. So many people here this afternoon [00:11:11] we have got 120 beats this year [00:11:17] as the biggest festival but it's pride festival Wellington the same and see it and the strength is rainbow flags over the rainbow crossing. We've got the big rainbow strips at the airport, and you can feel the energy and I'm sure the next two weeks is going to be something that the city will really enjoy. certainly been very [00:11:36] awesome to meet to be part of it all and to be on the board that produces such an event. It's with great pleasure that I get to introduce Justin Amir is as a great supporter of ours, Justin's here to serve you words and cat Revenant officially open 2019 [00:12:05] cura pharmo Allah He knew he character controller my higher mind. Great to see you here this evening. Thanks green for breaking the microphone [00:12:16] officially our office microphone [00:12:19] what I'm gonna do the rest of the year [00:12:24] it's a real pleasure for me to be here tonight I'm here with Martin givings Captain Brian Dawson and Peter Gilbert and we're accounts are just huge supporters and pride festival. I do want to acknowledge MP Greenie PJ Modi has a huge supporter of the pride festival. Remember community generally, Jen, great to have you here because I'm really excited for the next couple of weeks here. It's kind of a busy, it's just going to be so much fun. Right. our community's been putting on a pride festival for a large number of years and always said the city support which is charged with a little bit more investment with a little bit more [00:13:00] How much more we can do. It's great to see all of Wellington coming right on board. We're going to have hundred 90 events every couple of weeks we're going to have at the park, we have the biggest product right within the same in the city's history as well. And the first time that Australasia is going to be hosting Olga, and I can't wait for that too. [00:13:23] I mean, why is it so important to me and to the council and to all welcome Tony. And look, you're I have to be honest here a large number of big parts of the job that are really tough when I get a real grind on a day to day basis. But just last week, I got an email after talking to a father of a young well antonian nearly the same able to say that his son was transitioning out to become his daughter, and just an early stage going through college, and how much it means to be a family enjoys daughter to have the support and the embracing of the city. [00:14:00] things, they may present as tokens or assembles like the new airport, Rainbow symbol as well. And it means so much to them and meet so much because we all know the statistics around youth as they're coming out. Now we know how difficult that transition could be, but just how much it means to the family, and it makes my job so worthwhile. Like I read that that will sustain me for the next couple of years. It's really good to see the important impact that little things can have on people's everyday lives. So really happy to be a supporter to all of you, given the farmer farmer if you sent your support. Thank you for everything you've done with Olga, looking forward next couple of weeks. You're a farmer [00:15:12] My name is Greg Wilson. I'm co chair of Wellington pride festival. And today we'll just hit the Wellington, pride festival 2019 lots with me adjust the list coming down to cut our big long rainbow ribbon to facilitate the opening of the festival, that we have 128 events over two weeks with our flagship events out of the park on the 16th of March at civic square, and also a youth ball [00:15:45] which has it held up to popper this year. And there's of course the Wellington international pride parades don't go to place next Saturday. So a lot happening over a two week period. Is this the biggest festival we've had in Wellington? It was absolutely yeah, absolutely. I've been involved in this one. [00:16:00] When I was actually about six years and this certainly is the biggest The town has, has painted on rainbow flags, we've got the airport have come on board with a big rainbow struck down by the other runway. We've got the rainbow crossing. So there's a real energy and feeling in the city where people are walking around the city, especially l delegates that are coming over for the conference, they're going to see and feel the rainbow atmosphere of Wellington City. It's very exciting. And it's the first time that the flags are grown up in the it what's been painted, what is that, like? Can you describe that feeling when you're walking through the city and you see all those rainbows? Yeah, there's like one of our goals at the start of the year when our board formed was that we wanted to increase the visibility of our festival and our pride festival. Visibility is really important because it represents what we stand for in terms of diversity and inclusion for people. And so [00:16:48] getting the city capital and rainbow flags was was one of our one of our goals and we've achieved it. I think it when people walk around the city, whether they're from our community or other communities [00:17:00] They will they understand what it means. And hopefully we know what it represents. Now, there's been some fracturing in the Oakland communities around the pride of himself in Oakland. Can you compare and contrast or Oakland with what's happening here in Wellington? Yeah, sure. I think, you know, a number of people have said to me over the years, you know, Wellington has a real community, not just not just a gay population, we have a community here in Wellington. And that's a really great, diverse [00:17:29] community, and we seem to band together and just get on with it. You know, being involved on the board. We've got a very diverse board and a little bit like a coalition of the greens and national party and Labour Party and New Zealand First, we all come together, all different backgrounds, and we all get along well, and we all know why we're on the board, why we're there. And we focus on that and the outcome is this festival and what are the events that you're looking forward to the most [00:18:01] Out in the park is one of my favorite ones great opportunity to catch up with friends that you haven't seen for a long time. You know, it's it's a special day. It's a real mixed, mixed mixed crowd and, you know, [00:18:14] I'm just hoping the weather's gonna be good. [00:18:18] Juicy we're here at the launch of the Wellington pride 2019 What do pride festivals and pride events mean to you? To be honest as a chance for a community that often doesn't get to be visible and I [00:18:35] positive and especially in the safe way to be able to come together and be visible be themselves not have to be thinking about how they dress, how they walk, how they taught, whether someone's gonna take it the wrong way. And funnily enough, it is an event where we can actually just be ourselves and be normal. We don't stand out. We're not different from everyone around us. You know, we can just have fun and be saying, especially for people who may not [00:19:00] Have that community, they may feel alone and they can see there is this community and there are people that are happy and healthy and just having a good time. There's certainly a lot of happiness and good times happening at the moment. And I wonder if Are you able to like maybe contrast what maybe happens in Oakland in terms of a fracturing of community? So the kind of inclusive kind of community I'm feeling and kind of here in Wellington, here always. [00:19:27] Let me just think about the table. To be honest, I think a big advantage Wellington has Yes, we are much smaller, we are much more close knit. Everyone knows everyone. And I think that makes a big difference because even if you disagree with someone, you know them, you hang out but you see them at Ivy, you see them Madison names, you see them at events like this. I think to be honest, we had the advantage of being forewarned. We saw what went down in our plan. We were prepared for it and we thought okay, so how do we learn from that and how do we do this differently? So I think it was better by what have been Are you looking forward to my [00:20:00] Well so and the park definitely because gender minorities will have a stole their shout out that all will be helping out with there's an event that I'm helping run on Sunday the 17th which is the trends and allies event at the Southern Cross at 4pm. Awesome come to that. And there's another gender minorities event. I'm King to the crossover with Olga. I was just saying I just noticed that the actual policy right I coming which is super cool. And I want to come to that and I will be coming to your yellow walk. Exciting. Yes. Tell me if somebody couldn't attend for whatever reason, the pride Festival this year won't be the message that you would give to give to somebody in Wellington. [00:20:43] Like that community is there all year round you know, we've got two weeks where we have an awesome festival we all get together we're very visible but if you need to reach out if you need support if you're fairly alone or isolated, you know where around this gender minorities inside out out of space as rainbow well. [00:21:00] And there's a lot of groups out there, you know, so you're not on your own. Now Justin Lister, the mayor was talking about all the rainbow flags and Wellington and also the airport being painted in rainbow colors. What does that do for you on a personal note? I love it. I love it. And I've been enjoying it for the last few weeks, the out in the park posters, the rainbow things and it is just, I mean, it's nice and it's pretty and all of that. But to be honest, I feel safe walking around the streets, I feel safe and I feel accepted. And that is just a huge thing. Do you feel unsafe when it's not right time? [00:21:33] Not to the degree that a lot of people do. So I'm transgender. I have basically transitioned into a middle class white male with a stable job. As privilege goes in my community. I'm right up there, but I still know I don't feel safe. A lot of the time I am lucky because I'm not visibly trans. But you know, every time I switch if I go to a bar if I use a public bathroom, there's just that voice in the back of my head gone. What if someone clocks you [00:22:00] What if I have a problem whether you're gonna be stuck in an isolated room, or you're going to be on a dark street with a bunch of drunk guys, or you know, you just don't, you don't always feel safe, unfortunately. And often, these things happen at the most unexpected times, like me and my partner were walking the other day and a guy was abusing us calling us fucking bigots and stuff like that. And you think, well, this is just Sunday afternoon at one o'clock. Really, it wasn't even at night. Yeah, and that's and that's like you say, it just comes out of the dark, like a longer time, you kind of braced and things are fine. And then suddenly, it comes out of nowhere, literally, someone punches you in the back of the head or something like that. And what do you do because what that guy a couple of years ago, got punched in the back of the head on ballcock Street and it was at the reporter and he was he was dead. You know, it's it's, it's, it's, you know, and that's not even getting into employment discrimination. You know, not being able to keep a roof over the head because you can't get employed. I've been bullied at work. I've had people gossip at work, call me ups, and things like that, you know, so it's [00:23:00] That's Wellington is a great place but there's it's still not an equal equal field so something like this for two weeks ago where it is about us and where it is okay to be awesome it's celebrated today [00:23:13] and also to celebrate organizations like gender minorities, which is so important hugely, hugely important and all of those groups here gender minorities inside out Randall a lifetime old do so much good work for our community and need a lot of money. [00:23:28] Please give us money. [00:23:31] I'm Justin least the mayor of Wellington, we've just been here for the pride festival launch as kicking off more than 190 events over the course of the pride festival. We're going to see the biggest festival we ever seen in Wellington's history. We're going to have out in the part where the wontons national pride parade. We're hosting the Olga conference here for the first time in Australasia history. And we've got all of Wellington embracing the pride festival. So it's great to see organizations at Wellington airport, come on board the [00:24:00] red flags flying around the city and modern Chinese is getting running behind broad. Why do you think pride is important? [00:24:08] We want to show that we're progressive, inclusive city. We embrace and celebrate all of our diversity and the pride movement as a real key part of that. [00:24:21] For all people want to make sure they feel very welcome and Wellington and we make sure our multicultural communities, new people coming to Wellington and prides being a key part of that. You mentioned that the there's a huge painting on the embankment of the International Airport and also the rainbow flags. What kind of feedback have you hidden from those are they're absolutely brilliant feedback. I mentioned a story just previously when I was speaking about a young individual who is transitioning from, from a boy to, to being a girl and just some terms of how much it means to them and to the individuals family. [00:25:00] To hit that symbol of support, that that, that gesture that, look, we're there for you, we support you. And we key for you. So I really doesn't mean a lot to a lot of people. Now, last year you were in Wellington, this Pride parade and what was the feeling like? I was fantastic. And I think it's going to give me a big data this year. This year. I'm looking forward to having the commissioner for the place, marching alongside us as well as a finance force. He mo have an even bigger parade. More groups coming on board, Wellington orchestra will be there. Rory, Zealand Bella is going to be performing as well. And so hopefully we'll see throngs of people coming out to support the Pride Parade. If there was an LGBTI person that couldn't make it to the pride festival or the Pride Parade this year. What do you want me to trim? [00:25:52] Look, we're right if you're the city, Wellington really does pride itself as being a rainbow city and [00:26:00] Come she got the capital. [00:26:03] Below we're at the launch of Wellington's pride fest or 2019. Can you describe what the feelings we might today and it's really exciting and it's really positive. [00:26:14] It's really cold that we've got Mayor Justin Lister here and we've got Jen Loki, it's a little disappointing that it's an invite only event in it. There is hardly any young people here, which is a shame because pride should be for everyone, but it's a good staff. And I'm sure that there's going to be a lot more use for the events. It sounds like a jam packed program was hearing it does. It sounds like a really big program. And I think it's even more exciting that we've got Olga world coming this year, and is one of the 12 delegates who went to Thailand and 2016 to bring it here. I think I know exactly the excitement and what it's like to be a part of it. So I'm really excited that that's going to be here and our little city and Australasia for the first time. Can you describe it what it was like actually attending an old [00:27:00] conference. Yeah, so it's really good. And I think it goes beyond any style that I've ever seen here in New Zealand. But at the same time, it's really, really beautiful seeing all these different communities come together and all our international delegates from around the world. And I've met one of my really good friends there and who I saw in Philadelphia last year. And so it's a really awesome opportunity to meet new people learn and get a bigger sense of sort of the issues that everyone's facing, because the issues that we face here, and nothing compared to other countries where it's, it's a little even bigger. So yes, it's really diverse and interesting. [00:27:39] And of course, this is a big year for elder it's the 40th, but it's also the 30th of Stonewall this year. Yeah, yeah, it's really exciting. It's the 50th anniversary of Stonewall and I think that that's it's really important to remember that that movement started with trans women and also trans women of color and showing the strengths that our diverse trans women and trans women of color [00:28:00] Hold and the places that they hold within our community and it really puts into perspective how far we've come but also how behind we are particularly with the bestest marriages update been defer to small things like that. It's a real shame. [00:28:16] Are you doing anything special for more 50 I may or may not be going to New York to celebrate it a New York pride and world prize, which I'm very excited about. I will take any visa case to bring wait lots of shoes. [00:28:30] I think it's going to be a really awesome opportunity to meet lots of people to network. There's a human rights conference that I'm going to go to. And I think I last year when I was in New York City, I got to go to the LGBT Center and the building there is incredible. It's a four story building and it's got a theater, it's got a library or bookstore and it's just incredible. So I'm really excited to see the scale of pride in another country and knowing that here [00:29:00] We could very easily get ourselves up to those levels in the next five to 10 years. [00:29:05] So having that international experience of various rainbow communities, how does it? [00:29:12] How does it compare to say, Wellington and New Zealand? [00:29:16] I think that here, we're a lot more divided. But I think that I only noticed that here because I'm so in amongst it. And I'm sure that there's an international feeling. I think that it's really important that we, as a community, take stock and we look at where we're at how far we've come and look at those minorities, they really need to be uplifted and included in these events in these these spaces. You know, like our young people and [00:29:43] our cultural communities that aren't even in the language that we use for pride. You know, our Taka, Taka, Taka Fini, our faculty communities, they all should be a part of this, but there's no engagement. So we're quite divided, but there's people that really care [00:30:00] And it's people that I'm doing the best they can with the opportunities that are provided to them. And so that's really exciting. One of the things I've noticed in Wellington this year is there seems to be a lot more kind of support from other organizations, both kind of commercial, but also government organizations. So you've got flags around the city, you've got the International Airport painted a rainbow colors, what are your thoughts on that? Um, you know, I think it's really exciting that we've got more support. I think that it's really cool that councils jumped on board. But at the same time, we would acknowledge that it's really disappointing that they're supportive yet them knowing that pride is going to happen this time and have known that yoga was coming for the last three years now. yet they've still put other events and amongst our pride mess of events, which means they're out in the park and it has to move back to the square and just get a lot smaller in size than it once was when this could have been such an incredible year. So I think that it's the put on a beautiful show, but I [00:31:00] Think behind the scenes, it's like pulling the curtain back for the Wizard of Oz, you know, there's quite a lot of machinery there that could have done better. But I mean, I don't want to be a negative Nancy about it, because it's still really awesome there. You know, there's a part of it. And that is supportive. I think it's just acknowledging that you could do better. [00:31:21] So you've got a really big year with New York. And in other words, what are the things you're looking forward to the most this year? Definitely going back to New York. I'm also going to Cape Town in South Africa was a delegation of New Zealand woman for the International lesbian bi and queer feminist conference. So I'm really excited that it's the first one that's happened and I'm sure that that will lead to some really cool projects and networking opportunities. [00:31:49] And then just looking after myself, I think this year has already proved that it's going to be very stressful and difficult for trans people. So it's really important to take a step back and to look after me myself. [00:32:00] Eat the food that I want, relax and listen to what my body saying so and not get too caught up and the hate that is gone towards transforming at the moment. So yeah. [00:32:13] How do you stay strong [00:32:16] champagne, food, Netflix, and good friends and good family. I'm really lucky that tonight, my mum's here with me, and that I've got such beautiful friends and Phyno behind me to support me in the endeavors that I do that always here to listen to me and to vent with me and to help me more champagne. So I'm really lucky in that sense. And I think that it highlights that there's so many that don't have a lot of that support behind us. And I think that's where we really need to focus our attention and that's why I think Council and government should be putting more money and time into supporting those that don't have the support at the moment through our youth organizations like out of spaces and inside out. [00:32:58] So my name is Steven. I'm the secret to [00:33:00] For the Wellington pride festival, Stephen, how much work goes on behind the scenes for pride festival. A lot of work a lot of work. So we run a number of the events for the festival. So the big ones out on the park. We organized the after pass a picnic tomorrow [00:33:22] youth ball. But in addition to that we coordinate the whole festival, the two week period or the events, getting them all together. [00:33:32] Scheduling them, putting them into a program. Yeah, this is this is the product of all that work. What's the most stressful part? I think it's [00:33:43] it's getting a lot of people together. We're all volunteers. Nobody's paid. We've all got day jobs, and getting us all together to talk about the hardest shoes, some things you can do offline, that you do have to get together and meet and discuss the difficult issues. [00:34:00] And, and yeah, it's, it's a matter of getting the the team to [00:34:06] developer reports so that you do function as a team because, you know, you do need the Unity there to really deliver a cohesive product, which, hopefully this this festival will will show and you say difficult issues. Give me examples. What are some difficult issues, these always difficult issues, confronting the rainbow community. One, that one that's sort of been in the headlines recently is what they call the truth. It's a lobby group of women who don't like trans woman. And, you know, we have to think about well, how do we respond to these sorts of things and [00:34:49] and the, the risks, I guess, that they pose to events like this. How do we respond? Yeah, so yeah, these that's just one example. That is [00:35:00] Every year something [00:35:02] I'll be rather big issues this year. Well, we had to work through [00:35:08] how we wanted to respond to the issue, but between the police and the Oakland pride board, [00:35:16] we, it was a tricky, tricky set of issues. And they were the diversity of youth and the committee, but we had to come together and and work through that. And yeah, we I think we came out with a pretty good result, the police are going to be a part of asking the park, that there will be the and more of a capacity to engage with the community. So yeah, I think I think that we've got a good result as with that [00:35:46] into the committee, kind of taking the lessons from kind of the fractured nature of what happens in Oakland. Yeah, yeah, I think we we really thought hard about [00:35:57] how we responded [00:36:00] We worked hard at talking to the police, Eddie for every step. [00:36:05] And, and we really worked hard at working through the issues together. We also we also, like the Oakland board, talk to the community about it as well. And, and you know, that really is our guide. Like we're here to represent the community. We're not here to do what we want to do so, yeah. [00:36:28] Looking at the really large program this year, what are the things that stand out to you? Wow, [00:36:36] I could tell you about my performance. At the end of the conference with attachments, it's going to be a highlight for me. I'm also gonna go check out some of the trade shows. And these this special screening of the Stonewall movie [00:36:52] that we organize. And I'm excited about that because its 50th anniversary. I was only in New York last year. [00:37:00] So more plays that I'm really excited about seeing that movie too. One of the things that really struck me about Wellington this year is that the, the red flags all around town rainbow flags, there's a big rainbow painting on the Wellington airport. What does? How does that make you feel? Amazing, amazing. So I was [00:37:22] I was away on a trip a couple years ago, around Scandinavia, and every big city was around pie charts, every big city and [00:37:30] I thought wow, this has never happened in Wellington. And [00:37:36] wouldn't it be great if something like that happened here in Wellington, but I think it's just the coincidence of all these great events that are happening where we were responsible for those drop down banners, but actually it was the elka conference that got the the big rainbow the porch, you know, sorted in the in the that Wellington Pride parade and central Pride Parade. Dave [00:38:00] organized the shop France to be decorated with rainbows. So it's a it's a big joint effort from across the community in it and it's great seeing seeing the symbol of queerness and acceptance here. So yeah. Wonderful. [00:38:19] So deism john, you've seen many rainbow celebrations and Wellington. How does this one compare that the one we're about to embark on? What's extraordinary is the amount of events. It just has grown. And it's just so wonderful to see so many young people willing to be out, be proud and just be part of the rainbow community which is so important, the visibility, because that is how we stop homophobia. [00:38:50] My impression, I think, is really that there's been such a tremendous involvement by the whole community is not just the gay, lesbian, LGBT, whatever it is. [00:39:00] Plus, that are involved the City Council, the airport, there's a whole range of sponsors. And the city itself seems to be relishing to be part of the pride festival. And I think is very exciting because going back 30 or so years, they were just 10 stores and affair and new town school. I fear for a failed fer law. And it's come a long way. Thank goodness. Just remembering the very first fear and the battle. I had to hold it a new town school Hall. The headmaster said no, but there's a woman on the arm part of the administration of a new town school. And she's a DS. And so I remember that will the battle and then first of all was going here then it wasn't then it was and then we got her and it was all filled in the hole. And they didn't expand it to a grounds and now look at this. It's expanded. Wow. All of well, even from the airport to be able to sign. I know it's amazing. And did you ever imagine that you would be able to [00:40:00] Walk down court in place or on the waterfront and see rainbow flags and go past the airport and see a huge big rainbow on the front. No, no, I didn't even think about them. I was very not trying to get our flags and things around the new town. And I remember the taking the posters around two different shops to display and the flack I got from some of them, including some Vincent the polls. And then the next fear either the exactly the same route. And it was more accepting. And then the next one because I don't know if you know, but I ran it for 10 years. And I just saw was progress. And this is progress. So can you describe the feeling now when you see all those rainbow flags around Wellington? Oh, good. Yeah, I just feel that there's so much religions got going forward. And this is really path of a city that's diverse and accepting, tolerant. [00:41:00] There's just so much and also pollution free. [00:41:04] It's not just [00:41:07] surprise, I guess, total amazement there is so much public evidence of a rainbow community at this time. The flags on the polls The airport is astonishing. I mean, to paint the grass, I don't know how long it took, but it's going to last before week. It's a wonderful sight for the people coming into the conference to fly in and just see that at the end of the runway. Well, it's great to have a mayor who's so supportive, and I really hope all can get I get, I'm there but as gay supporter. Now, john, you're wearing a T shirt that says civil union poster boys tie the knot. Who could that be? It might possibly be this way, way back in 2005. We had the first civil union of Wellington, and it was an amazing experience and it's continued to be an amazing city. [00:42:00] For me, I did it so supportive. [00:42:03] I didn't realize the picture was still lastly on the T shirt. It's getting a bit elderly now like me. [00:42:11] But you know, since then we've had [00:42:13] not just several years, but we now have the right to same sex marriage, which I think is absolutely stunning. And it's fabulous. It's a great city and it's a great country. And so will you both be marching in this year's Pride Parade? We will. We will definitely. Oh, yes, we'll be there. We didn't match on the first one. We got Rotten Tomatoes. Check that out. When was that? That was [00:42:40] 1987 [00:42:43] and I'm very, very happy to match with any policeman in uniform. I don't think we're going to have the so the fractured community they seem to have an open. [00:42:55] Why did they do that in awkward when we fought against discrimination for you? [00:43:00] is they suddenly turn around and start discriminating crazy? Oh, go to please head the way and the bride and a new new york police department jockstrap. So that's all you're wearing a jockstrap and a hand. [00:43:16] No, no one wants to see an old guy like me, but

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