Homelessness in 2016

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by Friday and z.com [00:00:06] killed a Coca Cola cola to co located on a daily call not a political that they have a whole nother quality MRI. If I can take rocky hokey to work hard on him Karanja, we finally, naughty if I'm going to add [00:00:24] my name is Casey, I come from our end, I'm a youth group of evolved Wellington youth service. And I'm here just discussing homelessness. And they, I guess, in the wake of being asked by my organization that I'm a part of to make a submission for cross party inquiry into a show around homelessness. [00:00:50] And I'm Sandra Dixon, and I'm part of this conversation because the organization I work for, at a total he was is a National Youth Development, people, he has an interest in this area because of specific vulnerabilities for rainbow young people around homelessness. [00:01:09] And I think some more context of their as that we were asked to, we were told that there weren't any submissions on homelessness from a rainbow perspective. So we within a couple of weeks, organized to come together, as was a two different organizations to be able to present and submit on the actual nature of homelessness from an LGBT IQ perspective. So yeah, that's kind of how we came to be in this conversation. [00:01:41] Yeah, we [00:01:43] I think the the importance of having rainbow experiences described in a public forum felt huge to me, and I think to to case, I'm speaking, we [00:01:56] basically, if we're not at the table describing it vulnerabilities in, they get left out of strategic thinking of planning of resourcing. And it feels unacceptable to me, given the things that we know from the work we do in from the lives we liked it. [00:02:13] And my experiences also being there, when these kinds of conversations have come up in the past, because there's not many funded or resource organizations around the health and well being of rainbow people with an altitude or either from a US perspective, or from a general perspective, and means that there's often not people around her able to speak to our experiences in these forums. And sorry, they go on and they go ahead and you get an idea and a capturing of the general side of homelessness, but you're, you're unable to hold on to what the specific nature of what our communities might be experiencing. So it was really exciting to be able to actually have people who we who and networks to be able to just come forward and just put something together even if it wasn't short amount of time. [00:03:01] Yeah, yeah, definitely. [00:03:04] I wonder if we should start by defining homelessness, in terms of how we understand it. So I guess for me, I think the general public thinks about homelessness is street homelessness in wild it's horrific in awful. For me homelessness is about much, much more than that. It's about having access, having a home as a bit having access to a safe secure space, that you have some control over how people internally that is free from all kinds of violence, and that you have some kind of control over being warm enough being secure all of those kinds of things if you don't have access to them. And then I think where you're in a situation where your housing is insufficient in Italy, you can be defined as harmless as far as I'm concerned. [00:03:52] I'm trying to think of the exact definition from the team ohana strategy from the Burlington City Council. And I think it talks about getting closer are sleeping but also includes uninhabitable housing. And I guess, when we come from this, we're talking about here, what it means to be in spaces that are actually safe, you know, ideally, physically, emotionally and spiritually as well. And that can sometimes added an extra layer in terms of what we're talking about. Because, you know, to us, it's a big deal of one, you know, your agenda that is assigned at birth is allowed back home. But the agenda that you actually are is not allowed back home. And that might not be packed up, and more general kind of definitions of process. Yeah. [00:04:40] I think I guess the, like many of the definitions that the state uses a New Zealand, that definition of street homeless is really skewed towards a particular demographic, which is basically mean. So defining homelessness more broadly, lets us look at how precarious and unsafe housing is, for lots groups, including my people, I [00:05:03] was just thinking about how big a problem as homelessness for rainbow people. Are you aware of any studies or data that currently exist? I, [00:05:15] you know, as usual, the state isn't very good at counting the experiences of marginalized people, I don't think, in particularly not very good at Kennedy experiences of six, six year old and gender diverse people. So now we've got rubbish data analysts in Israel, we've got some indications from overseas, that higher proportions of Reimer young people, then other young people homeless. [00:05:40] And we've got some data that editorial he has collected, which I think is really useful for this conversation. So in terms of what what Otter Tail he does, really is we support people working with young people to do that work well, and safely and in to enhance the young people opportunities to thrive really. And part of that work over the last four years has been working with groups that are supporting rainbow young people, and helping them do exciting, fantastic things. [00:06:16] And part of that has been discovering that they were 57 groups around the country working with rainbow young people at the moment and New Zealand. Those are the groups we've engaged with over the last two years, which was extraordinary. Obviously, I don't know that anyone had any idea that we had caught in many groups, working to keep everyone but young people safe. And it kind of reflects how unsafe our communities are, I think. [00:06:39] So he sits the first but unless the second bit of out of time, please work around that is really to ensure that the mainstream is sick, the [00:06:47] his the supports, it needs to do that work? Well, because we're a mainstream organization, we're not a rainbow specific organization. So part of our work over the last two or three years has been to ask the organization supporting rainbow young people, what kinds of stuff they're doing in why that's measuring to the rainbow, young people they're working with. And our concern around homelessness came out of those surveys and forums in funding streams that we've had the [00:07:14] and I guess the figures I want to throw around. [00:07:17] So the 57 organizations around the country supporting rainbow young people, the survey that we put out to those groups, out of the groups that responded, we hit 59%. So quite a lot more than half saying that they'd helped around by young person find emergency accommodation. So someone in their groups had Cameron said home isn't safe for me, I've got nowhere to go. And it figures all fall. But the figure that I feel personally even more disturbed by is that just over half of the groups that answered as soon as I hit he had to take someone home themselves had had to have a volunteer who's always around a young person as well take someone home because there was no way say for the young person, the guy. So the existing homelessness services will not appropriate not safe, not available to run by young people perhaps as well. And I think that's a pretty shocking state of affairs, to be honest, when we've got our volunteer groups having to hold that level of vulnerability, really, you know, half their groups around the country. That's for me, that's shocking. [00:08:24] Yeah. And definitely reflects my experience within those groups as well. Yeah, yeah. [00:08:31] I think and again, coming back to UN General homelessness as a really hard thing to track like, as you say, any marginalized group, but in particular homelessness, because a lot of the ways in which people get the data, I usually from people having a having a stable home, and one of those different layers of homelessness at becomes really difficult. So a lot of people who may be couchsurfing or in transitional housing would not necessarily identify with the to homeless because it does carry a stigma. So, in general, homelessness is hard to track. And it becomes even more hard to track when it's for different marginalized groups. So I guess what I would be saying is, you know, it would be really useful to have more data, I think it present there is some work that has been taken as that the University of Otago that is looking specifically into rainbow experiences of homelessness. So it's fantastic that their work has been done. You [00:09:27] know, back in 2008, the Human Rights Commission went through an inquiry into trains people's experiences in New Zealand, and they found that trans people were describing discrimination experiences in housing, that we're making their housing environments unsafe. So we might not have, we might not have the number data, but we've certainly got the stories that have been told for quite some time now about problems or an existing safe housing for rainbow people, I think. Yeah, [00:09:59] absolutely. I think it also goes to show that these hit these issues have been raised, how we've doesn't mean that there's been any motivation for those in power to be able to follow up. So even you know, there's this tendency that we need to have data and research to back everything up, and I'll be at that helps. And it is important. But actually, you know, even if we didn't have that, it doesn't necessarily mean that that would translate into into more comprehensive support. In the [00:10:29] end, you kind of have to know where to look for the information to I you know, like, if I think about the the recent week, though, who were drama Caligula did that around pattern sexual violence. [00:10:41] The people that answered our [00:10:42] survey, we're not going to domestic violence services, even when they needed them, because they knew those services, wait for them. So we've got there another place where you know, if we're leaving a relationship that's abusive, we've got nowhere to go, except to MIT probably. So there's all these these little indications of problem existing I guess, I [00:11:04] I think that it's, you know, there's lots of different causes of homelessness, and we can talk about them and about, but I definitely think that, you know, there is still a stigma around sexuality and gender, which can mean a higher risk of family for addiction, quite simply find our family and not always equipped to be able to be able to support young people when they come out. And even if they did want to, it doesn't mean that it's necessarily always going to happen for a whole variety of reasons. [00:11:35] In their family rejection still does happen. And this can be even harder of this more marginalization on top of this, I guess, as well as this, it can be harder for people who are adults and having lived time and being age to live on their own. [00:11:52] Within the current structure that we have, we currently depend on getting housing by usually landlord or property development, a property management company being in charge of that interaction. And what I found from talking to young people was that generally, already being young can disadvantage them. And on top of that, if they do not have what is read was saying, oh, prison, today's normative bodies, normative lifestyles, then it can mean that I just driven further down the list of, of being, you know, priority clients. So Tina? Tina? Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I think that that's, that is a concern that can can affect people who might be particularly transgender, and unable to cycle paths. [00:12:46] Yeah, yeah. [00:12:47] Yeah, I agree with all of it. And I, [00:12:50] I guess, I'd say to that, I think there's other structural issues that come into play here in terms of discrimination that six six year old engineer diverse people experienced around employment in health care, meaning that we sometimes have costs that other people don't have. And actually disposable income matters when it comes to housing. So I think we've got, we don't have any anything to prove that with more risk of homelessness, but we've got a whole bunch of kind of quite obvious social norms in their use and experiences of discrimination. I mean, I don't know that I would know anyone my age. And I'm in my 40s, who hasn't experienced rejection from landlords based on sexuality or gender identity. And I imagine it's true Across Ages I. [00:13:38] And I think, just linking into I'm in the general causes of homelessness, is talked about by local councils and services say that it's usually linked to poverty, mental health experiences, disabilities, addiction issues, emotional health and trauma, sexuality and gender, convictions and imprisonment, unemployment in low wages, and a lack of affordable housing. So that's how they receive of general homelessness. And it's also not hard to conceive how a lot of those different layers can affect sexuality and gender diverse people at the same rates, if not higher rates, as well. And so you're already talking about people. I mean, for example, if you have head family rejection, that could you know, lead to emotional health and trauma. There's plenty of people who are sexuality and gender diversity, also have experiences with a lot of those different areas. So are they more risk of being homeless, I would probably say that they are one of those really high risk populations, most certainly. And I think also wanting to add as well, that [00:14:54] the help I say, the housing crisis, because there is a tune that is currently being used within the media to describe what's taking place within homeownership and home buying and so on, I would say that the housing crisis has been in existence for a really, really long time. But this is just, you know, the current way that it's been talked about. And I think the way that our society is organized in terms of housing really, really exacerbates this issue. So in particular, the majority of young people that I work with, always in transit and housing situations, and and low quality housing, my own house has four legs in it at present, we pretty much all queer trans people who live there, with little power or ability to be able to negotiate having a warmer, healthier, safer place to be able to live and work, we consider ourselves lucky that we even have a house and this is being you know, a 27 year old. So I guess thinking about the general environment and market terms of housing, that is not one that is geared towards human and social native, again, was in so then when you have any added modernization or experience beyond that, it's only going to make that hotter and hotter from the Yeah, [00:16:14] totally. I could not agree more with all of it. I think [00:16:18] when I was thinking about the question of what causes homeless, homelessness, all of that stuff he talked about, although I'm quite fascinated that the city council doesn't think racism might be an issue, it's interesting. [00:16:32] In I guess, for me, the fundamental [00:16:33] drivers that are housing situation, and New Zealand has been set up as a side of profit, not as a side of need, which means that everything that drives how our housing market operates, and even the fact I'm using housing market, you know, is about building money for people who have enough money to be buying a house in the first place. And when that's how your whole situation around providing housing for people to sit up. [00:17:04] needs are invisible eyes, you know, and I think I think that's what we see in terms of discrimination or that that we talk about discrimination very well and a whole bunch of ways I around housing, but certainly not around those experiences for Romo people. And I guess the other part of the in terms of the more risk question is that [00:17:22] if we're more likely to be homeless anyway, and we think we probably are. [00:17:27] And if we're in this kind of situation, we agreed is what's driving housing not need. We're also in a situation with a social services that are set up to respond to homelessness and New Zealand, they are under the cash because that's how social services are at the moment. They sit up for some people, they sit up for him for sexual people. Finding emergency housing for us is more complicated, because sometimes the January of services is not appropriate for us. Sometimes the vocation of faith by sittings is not appropriate for us. Sometimes these been no consideration around how we might make those spaces safer for us and picked I'd say almost always, there's been no consideration of it, how we make those those spaces safer. So we've got this world where housing as a problem for start, we've got the discrimination that the rainbow communities experiences, then we've got the social services that don't fit for us. So that whole picture adds up to a real mess, I think around homelessness for us [00:18:26] is a quote here as well, from an article that I wrote, possibly a couple of years back, which is based on the five big website. And the quote here says the link between colonization, poverty and homelessness run strong. And I guess just wanted to ask and talk about what we've already touched on here. But if there's any further comments around the further layers that can add complex complexity to the show around housing. [00:18:56] Yeah. [00:18:58] I feel like you see it said about eight words what I just seen about 900. [00:19:05] Because it's I mean, that sums it up, I actually The problem is that we've got a system that it's white system, it's a colonial system, it's a capitalist system. And it's been set up in a NEO liberal world to not prioritize housing for everybody in New Zealand. Absolutely. [00:19:24] I think the other thing as well as that [00:19:28] the daughter at least was being seen, for example, just on straight homelessness, and Wellington is that, and this is general homelessness, as the majority of those people on the streets and Marty, and I don't think that that can be ignored. [00:19:48] In I absolutely think that it's linked back to our history of colonization, particularly a lot of people who are really disconnected from the prices would have been whether or not this person relationships, trauma, violence, addictions and so on. And I think that just adds an extra layer to what we kind of grappling with here at the same time. And so, [00:20:16] I would say that, particularly if you are Marty, I'll talk a top way. And rather than the rival community, Christian your sexuality or gender, as likely from just looking at what we've already got that it's going to be even more difficult for you to be able to provide housing, which is just this really twisted, awful, but also sadly common place occurrence that takes place for them to colonize countries. So So yeah, I guess that's just one of those one of the things that has been saying quite generally, [00:20:50] yeah. [00:20:52] The next question here is as homelessness just affecting youth, and I, [00:20:58] you know, the the focus of editorial he been involved in the submission was young people, because it's our core business. [00:21:05] But we can, you know, a lot of the issues that we've talked to here today, discrimination exists to employment, so on, might not improve as we age issue is run by people. A, I think that's the stuff that is a little bit different for all around most people is that we're not necessarily is dependent on our family of origin, around safety hazard. [00:21:30] Although I know, it can also be true that that kind of that shift over time creates isolation and quite an ongoing way. And it's sort of some of the stuff that you were just speaking to case, I think [00:21:44] there's certainly the question of how appropriate air age care facilities are, I think, for older people, and you know, I don't feel like I know enough about it to comment. But it's something that would be interesting to look at more closely, probably, [00:21:56] I mean, homelessness as a whole as differently, not just affecting youth. And, [00:22:04] from my experience, most of the mainstream services are more generally dealing with adults, [00:22:13] checking it out supporting adults, the quiet, I think they usually more visible in some cases as well. [00:22:22] And I know that there's been a move to addressing more youth homelessness and particular [00:22:29] that has been happening from a more general level. [00:22:33] But again, when it comes back to being in the highly competitive market, I think a lot of it often comes down to whether or not you're able to pass, which is a really big thing. So for example, you know, an older tradesman, who has been on hormone therapy for a number of years, may have a different experience to an older trans woman who, as has had the same experience and not, but as not able to pass those transitions at a later age. And, [00:23:05] yeah, I think it's really while a lot of the kind of focus gets put on young people offer front within our communities. And because I think young people are fought for that to be the case. [00:23:21] I really do think that I like I wouldn't want to see an invisible thing of what happens particularly to older trains people when it comes to housing and homelessness. And I think the difference, the only difference that often comes back as again, not as dependent on our family of origin, and possibly having more disposable income, possibly, but not always. So here we are, as young people if you're living with your family, at your and I really different situation, a few kicked out or need to leave home, [00:23:54] I wonder if there's some differences to around [00:23:57] capacity for support within the community, and which is still completely unacceptable, which they that we have in the house one another because housing is so hard to get into. But I know myself, you know, I'm in a position now where I can put my friends up. It will people I know are poor people that other people asked me to put up, because I have a lot more control over my housing situation that I did when I was younger. So I can do that. [00:24:22] And I'll do do that. [00:24:25] And I wonder if that's a little bit more accessible when you've been out for a bit longer and year. But although maybe, yeah, definitely. [00:24:33] There is a question here just about the difference in experiences and responses to homelessness between rural and urban settings. [00:24:43] And I'm wondering if we want to talk about that, I think earlier, we both talked about that our majority of experiences, if I'm right, as from an urban setting. [00:24:54] But did want to mention that seems kind of common there. There are lists, least clear services, often in rural settings, that able to provide that support that you're referring to before Sandra. But also, we talked about how it is quite common for people questioning the sexuality or gender to [00:25:20] or identifying this non straight or non heterosexual to wait until they move away from the family of origin or their town of origin before they come out. I think that's a really, unfortunately common narrative not for everyone. [00:25:37] And in doing so, I would say that [00:25:41] we could possibly infer that it means that people are usually just waiting at and staying with staying in the closet, so to speak, while that and rural environments but this is this is just us kind of making cases rather than speaking from direct experience, [00:25:59] shooting the breeze of it. And I I guess I think too, in terms of the the work that editorial he's been doing those 57 youth groups around the country, they're not all and Wellington and Christchurch in Oakland, you know, they're all over the place, there are all kinds of little group springing up because [00:26:17] the situation for young people where they are is not okay for a million people. So I'd say if rainbow homelessness is hidden, in a broader sense, it's possibly even more hidden and the rules scenes. [00:26:31] So have we seen support within rainbow communities for rainbow homelessness? Or does it feel like there's been a lack of their? [00:26:43] I think we've seen some groups and some people consistently try and talk about this issue. I think that for me, personally, there's been a fear at times that when things like marriage equality have happened, we haven't always kept our eye on some of the ways that some people in our community, so really vulnerable, and really marginalized. So I'd say that it's not always is bigger priority for Emma communities is personally I think it should be. [00:27:19] I think sometimes the support inside the room, a community comes more pragmatically than they thought, you know, so it might not necessarily be people talking about it. [00:27:29] we're educating forward or organizing eight of us stuff about it, it might come from actually people sleep on my sofa when they need to. And I think that happens all the time. You know, I know, I know, that's something that happens in my household. And I know lots and lots and lots of people who make that happen when these housing need for us. So there's that kind of practical, beautiful stuff they remember community members do for one another. So Nate ways, I think it's it's still live for us. [00:27:58] I agree. 100%, I think that our communities have hit to take each other and and look after each other, as you say, in there has been some really beautiful support that has come come from there and then fit we offer know that if we don't take someone on, we don't know, if anyone elses. [00:28:16] So I think that, yes, that definitely does happen. And terms of the broader question around kind of agitating around around homelessness, I think it's hot, I honestly think that a lot of forms of homelessness [00:28:33] are really normalized within our society. And this is my experience of within an urban setting. But it's it's quite normalize, that you will be out of a home or out of a flair for degree of time while you're trying to find another place to live. Because there's not that many houses that same available. And so I think in some I would make a guest to say that, maybe it doesn't feel like it's a need to be really fought for because, yeah, as often quite, quite normalized. [00:29:09] But again, I think that, you know, we're not often thinking about this real specific nature of, of how we deal with us around sexuality, and gender, and calling it for what it is as well. Homelessness isn't always again, as I said, a word that people will use. Yeah, but it's essentially what's happening. [00:29:30] Go I completely agree with it. And it's a really interesting way of thinking about it. Actually, we are so used to, you know, headlines about baby boomers, children not being able to buy housing bit buy houses that they want to and that thing the way we talk about housing a rather than actually, there's a hell of a lot of New Zealanders living in substandard accommodation, and it's not okay. [00:29:51] Yeah, I think that's definitely true. So, we, [00:29:56] as we mentioned, we made a submission on behalf of a couple of organizations, if we could just take some time to explain what they are. And you've already talked about it, oh, hey, but maybe what they're doing in this area at the moment of anything. Yeah. [00:30:14] So I did talk about a time V, I'll just put it all together in one place those so [00:30:19] I do contract with for another title he ran by young people in the there a pig body fees development and auto New Zealand, they are an umbrella organization was 900 members. And those members include individuals working with young people like youth workers or health clinicians or teachers, by include organizations like schools or youth health services or faith based youth support groups. And they include national organization, so them the ability for editorial heater have a kind of really well rounded view of what's happening for young people's quite high, which makes it a really good place to work, actually. And in the Copa for editorial, he is around supporting people working with young people to be more connected, effective and accountable. And I guess the reason why the title he is active in the space is some very ethical and full of integrity. Leaders really over the last couple of years who've looked at the consistent feedback the youth sector is giving of feeling like they don't yet have the tools to be support. Six, six year old engender diabetes, young people, and wanting help with it. So our role really has been around, lifting the voices in supporting the voices of people working with rainbow young people. And being a bridge between the mainstream sector, including providing an end creating tools for the mainstream sector to be to be safer, really to be safe places to the rainbow young person. And in terms of ongoing work for editorial he in this area will continue to We will definitely continue to be talking about the the information that we have, and that we hold on and will continue to be creating resources to help those mainstream environments shift their practice. And I guess around if we think about that, in terms of homelessness, having housing facilities for young people there at an appropriate for rainbow young people, for example, it would be an area that we would see as being something that we could help with in terms of increasing competencies with working with rainbow young people, which might mean things like changing the physical sit out of a place so that we don't have gender secret spaces, we have spaces that are that are more mixed. Or it might mean having policies that discriminating around the agenda that someone's been assigned at birth, or it might mean having [00:32:54] challenges to services that are operating for young women, making sure that they're including trends, gentlemen. So there's a whole bunch of ways that we would do that work, I think, [00:33:03] yeah. Do you want to speak to the query and trends grant? Know, there were specific to this, but I think there were a really important in key part of the community capacity, the different areas, [00:33:18] I guess, I see the editorial his work here it goes back four or five years now. [00:33:24] And probably three years ago, now we begin distributing queer and trans grants, which was small grants for organizations with a focus or groups with a focus on rainbow young people. And they were basically grants for those groups to be able to do what ever they thought they wanted to do. And so there was something really beautiful about not having, you know, stuff tied to it that was about what funders wanted, it was totally about what community wanted. And the person who facilitated that was from the rainbow community. It was the one wonderful cable with extensive experience and creative week. And one of the pieces of feedback we got consistently from from that work was that it was wonderful for those groups not to have to explain why they needed money to do this or there because actually cable got it, it was able to hold it hold it knowledge inside editorial he. And I guess the stuff that came out of there? Well, firstly, the survey results that I talked about earlier that came out of that. But we also we've done some specific things to answer some of the queries we've got at the time. So one of the things that 57 groups around the country said to us was, we can't access funding, because whenever we try, we get told that actually the things that we're saying are made up, and at least we can try out a young person to tell a horror story about suicidality, that actually our funders and our local places don't believe us. And actually, it's not okay for us to be trying out young people to tell horror stories about their lives. So we put together some, some infographics actually, to to help people tell those stories, and help them access funding where they were. And I guess that's kind of been part of the editorial, the response from the queer and trans grants process was listening to those 57 groups around the country, helping them create tools that help them do their work visa is well as providing the small grants of funding. And unfortunately, the small grants funding wasn't offered to us in the seat and 2016. [00:35:35] We're hopeful it will be real for the game, but at the moment that this stream of funding has dried up the spot and needs not having dried up. [00:35:43] And I want to acknowledge as well, the way that that was done, because I think that [00:35:49] it was given communities that agency in the ability and the resources to be able to decide what was best for them, and just go and roll that out. So what you found that there were, I would say probably a lot of groups of, of queer or trans people that otherwise would have usually been quite marginalized, whether it's different ethnic groups, whether or not it's just different backgrounds, cultural spaces, and so on, we're now able to just be given the resources to run with what they wanted to do. And I think it was really about self determination and as white as well. So I'm just really want to acknowledge that was so moved from editorial he and, and overseeing that, in terms of evolved Wellington youth service. So, as services or as part of the one youth one stop shop model, we operate from a wraparound model of care. And the idea is that we want to be able to break down barriers for young people being able to access health care, and support. So we're based and unnecessary Burlington, but there's many different services such as our own that operate across the country, to name a few, your son, Palmerston North, in five and a half and couple of youth service, and, and had a promo. And I would say that a lot of these services are often at the forefront of engaging with around sexuality and gender, and probably because there is what we're saying. And so therefore, we are responding today. So we have about one of kind of a border border model. [00:37:21] And what we do is we offer free health care in support for young people 18 to 25. And that can look like GPS for free can look like sexual health nurses, General news, sending your workers, counselors, mental health support. So there's a whole range of different prices, and this one building essentially. [00:37:43] Now, part of my role, as mentioned, is that I'm a youth worker here, the majority of my workers, one on one mentoring, in support to young people, and occasionally running groups as well, the majority of the work that I currently do as supporting sexuality, and gender diverse young people. And that's been quite a specific thing that has come from my own particular background. And I'm really lucky to be able to do that work. I'm very thankful to our manager, because she is the only reason I would say that we're in a position to even be able to work, otherwise, that same as this, this luxury. [00:38:25] But yes, there's a lot that is able to be done within this. [00:38:30] A lot of my work is supporting young trans people through this transition, whether or not it's giving them the latest info on with any to go to get hormone therapy, finding a trans friendly place or linking them one with other groups, or even just a place to explore the gender or sexuality and terms of so I guess what we able to, we actually have quite a high number of particularly gender diverse young people that x is our service. And this has taken a while of building up a relationship. And what that means is we're already seeing a lot of young transgender people. And we're also seeing young homeless people as well. And often these two can overlap. One of the appeal of our services is that because we're afraid we're able to really provide a service to people who are on low incomes on benefits, or for example of trans young people who need multiple visits for healthcare, that able to access us for free. So that's really, really handy. Now, in terms of the homelessness, homelessness stuff, specifically, we are a member of the street outreach team that they say monitors the numbers of homeless homeless people, or because, or Russ sleepers who are on the Wellington straits, so, so I'm a member of that group. [00:39:59] During this window, we notice an increase in general homelessness among young people. So we started up a collaborative project with three other organizations PGI zero, Antarctica, whoa, no finer services. And we started putting on a free meal for young people who may not be able to afford meal so easily. So we did this winter, we also offer just ongoing support in general for people who are struggling of homelessness. And we have free showers survival as well, which is often have a magnet, particularly to people who are on the streets, and with myself and with other people who have experienced around sexuality and gender diversity at this at the service, and means that we're really able to hone in and provide one to one support for young people within the situation. So that's the majority of work that we're doing and will hopefully be continuing to do. [00:40:55] What would you like to see change both immediately? And the longer term? And this is a was the million dollar question, isn't it? Do you have any thoughts on messenger or mini mini mini? [00:41:06] I mean, the first thing and this is an issue in every single kind of area of social life really, and health life for Robo people, I think is that we need to be included in the strategic planning and resourcing of what's happening out there. Because if we're not, then we're always having to try and make services that haven't been set up for us or responses that haven't been seen that for us, we try to make them first and they just died. So that visibility, and this is the reason that we went to them. Homelessness inquiry, that visibility of our needs, needs to be built under strategic planning from the very beginning. [00:41:46] That means that we shouldn't they shouldn't be a homelessness strategy recent a New Zealand that doesn't talk about how to respond to rainbow young people or rainbow people in general. That means that we need to have way better systems of collecting information that we have now. I think a data collection and New Zealand is horrific in many ways. It needs to be more accurate, because otherwise the resourcing that we need won't happen. [00:42:11] So that's my first range. And it would be my rant about almost any issue you can come across actually. So that's not actually probably that specific to homelessness, then I've got two more kind of ready things I want to say. Would you like to go? Okay, so the first thing is, I think we need some specific services here. You know, I think that [00:42:31] that the ability to kind of even explore what it would look like for rain by young people to have everything that you need around housing isn't going to happen and mainstream services, I think we need some, some emergency hospital accommodation that is safe for us and has been set up for us. And then add to that I think we need our mainstream services to be much better equipped to be dealing with rainbow young people. So that means that it should be a requirement, if you're going to be receiving any kind of funding that it should you audited around how you respond to rainbow experiences, which means that you understand what transitioning means and you understand what it means to look like a service into be a service and which trains people are welcome in provided with what they need, and treated in ways that demonstrate respect and make sure that their services service that is safe for people to use. And at the moment, we just have nothing like that happening. Unfortunately, it all so those would be my to [00:43:31] the strategic inclusion, the data collection in the in the specific services in the mainstream use services, being better equip those would be my kind of key, few steps. [00:43:41] And I think mine kind of continue down from there. So [00:43:48] once all of that has been done, I think it would be useful to be able to have some form of space institution, a place where actually our knowledge is around health, Rainbow health, as collected in acted upon, I think at the moment, we have, you know, in terms of our communities, we have pockets of knowledge from dedicated people who have usually put their love in time into doing this without much money. [00:44:20] But also, it's so easy for that knowledge to be loss and high turnover of those people in those positions. And particularly thinking about those small services who have had amazing services, doing that work of housing, young people get booted out and then disappear. And I'm thinking read is that knowledge go once all of it disappearing, this happens. So I think that thinking about organizations or places where we can start collecting this knowledge, not just around homelessness, but the intersections of health, in sexuality and gender, which is just a huge, massive area that is so and [00:45:00] funded and resource within Altidore. Having that price will be really, really helpful. And I don't know exactly what that would look like. But at the moment, everything's very scattered. I think that one issue that I say is that family fun appearance are not equipped with the knowledge and the tools to be able to adequately support the young people. And so what that usually means as young people will be going through the huge journey in terms of their sexuality, or gender, and appearance or really be left out of the dark in the dark about what's going on. And there's not many places with those two journeys are breached. So, at the moment, the majority of support that we have a final looks like either the few or the 57 organizations providing a bit of ad hoc support, or P flags that have been set up and and the past. But I wouldn't even say that these are huge prisons of those at this point in time. That's my understanding. Yeah. [00:46:00] Little Live. [00:46:01] So to hear competed a 57 other organizations. So you know, where are the places where families can start finding that way to link and, and support so that family rejection isn't such a norm. The other thing I'm thinking about is that it's not going to happen in every single situation, even if you have families, so not all about us. So we are the safe places that people can go if it doesn't work out. And there have been discussions over whether or not hospitals or emergency accommodation or anything like that would be the right fit. And I don't have the answer to that exactly. I think that needs to come from the communities themselves when they would look like but there's very little emergency transitional housing in general. So thinking about what that could look like. Lastly, I think that the the housing crisis crises need to be really fully addressed with an Altidore and not just lift up to the market to determine whether or not we have a safe place stuffy output as well and and it's not gonna happen overnight. But I do think that while that continues to be the case as going to be hard for any marginalized person to be able to find safe stable adequate housing timely [00:47:13] God I totally agree with all of it. I think that [00:47:17] that's sort of water structural stuff around the housing in general and I guess for me to the widest structural stuff around homophobia by phobia transphobia racism as long as those things are not [00:47:29] addressed recognized responded to we're going to continue to have housing vulnerabilities I so this this stuff around making sure that our family and find our safer for everybody young people and they suffer and making sure that our communities are safer for all of us. Which means challenging and addressing transphobia by five year and homophobia. [00:47:52] It sees what can we do as rainbow communities to support this, I was just support all the things that just were mentioned. [00:48:00] Listen to us, you just roll that out. It would be really great [00:48:04] Kissin, Sandra manifester. [00:48:09] There's something for me unless around making sure that we continue to prioritize and listen to most marginalized people against and I'm not sure that we always do that enough. [00:48:20] I think we should continue. And I know we will continue to do all the great and beautiful stuff that we do to support one another when we need one another I think, you know, our chosen family or as I like to call it my logical family as opposed to my biological family. My logical family is a critical support for me. And I think the ways that we continue to support one another and that is really important. [00:48:41] Yeah, absolutely. I think that rainbow communities have just done such an amazing job of, you know, often just trying to keep each other alive and survive further. And so I think we need to just keep doing it. And also work out ways that we can use not forget about the most marginalized, almost poor square, so not able to afford home, so so on the agenda, [00:49:08] probably something to have it being each other. And this week I like I think sometimes we're very, very critical of each other initially in terms of the groups that are active and support spaces. And at the end of the day, you know, all of our co Packer is about lifting up all of us. So supporting the beautiful work that is going on already. I think that's really important.

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