Georgina Beyer and Brian Tamaki debate civil unions

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[00:00:09] Nazi movement and if any New Zealanders think it can't happen here, I bet you that's what the Germans thought in the 1930s [00:01:20] So that was yesterday Pastor Brian Tomic he is people that came from all over the country to pertains to what they see as the imminent legalizing of gay marriage the the civil union bill Brian Tamaki the controversial charismatic it'd be increasingly popular days to the church preachers of crowds of around 1500 that is Brian Tamaki He is our first televangelist and say what you like but his people love him. He's got a million dollar home nothing wrong, of course, except the money comes from church members, many of whom give up 10% of their gross incomes to his church and that bothers some people. But the style of that matches today the tone of it gave some people the creeps people like to Gina by she is with us live and Brian Tamaki himself Can you see why we're bothered Brian, you know, the stiff arm the salute everybody wearing blanket down on him and she's on [00:02:05] rugby grounds for when somebody scores a try. And I've seen it in many other places when trying, for instance, and Nathan's the raising of the arm like that is nothing akin to Nazis. It was it's been said, we had a great day yesterday. [00:02:19] I'm sure it was a great day for you. But you know, can you see any similarities at all everybody wearing black people don't all wear the same color when they go to the regular rematching. Like there was a matching element there that [00:02:29] well if he wore all white, then they'd moan if he wore pink dead man. I mean, what's the difference? I mean, the All Blacks are all in black and people were black when they go to the football grounds. You see no [00:02:38] similarities, but then between that matches to the Nuremberg rally, are [00:02:43] very different. Here. We were, we were standing there for the appeal upholding the institution of marriage. Let's get onto that short you get onto that show. Did you see similarities [00:02:51] with you know, did you see memories echoes of the past? They're [00:02:55] almost certainly did pour and not only that hasn't was the attitudes that accompany The gestures, it was angry, it was threatening. It was meaning to hurt the feelings of people's happiness myself, [00:03:09] in one way was very angry and threatening. I mean, say you were the one walking along, yelling at them, telling them that you found them disturbing [00:03:15] you after the formalities of the speeches were over and everyone was preparing to disperse. I'll be down to the crowd to go and talk to the counter match supporters. I got into the middle and I had to prepare through destiny church members. And suddenly I felt quite threatened by the taunting the yelling at me calling me George George George, Jesus loves you We love you abnormal you know we need you know changing behavior this kind of stuff [00:03:46] is not the only report pride you know, people feeling a certain ugliness inside oh crap. [00:03:50] Well, we don't perpetrate that and I certainly don't we don't get around shouting those sort of things that people and we're not putting up with that. We don't perpetrate that [00:04:00] to contradict and Paul, but that is precisely what was going on down there is that I have many witnesses around me at that time who would have no evidence in saying that they are parenting a belief that the Brian has a spouse as a pastor of his church and [00:04:15] I goes, does he [00:04:16] know No, they do not like how [00:04:18] do you say that? You got nothing against guys, you don't like what they do. Now? How does that work? [00:04:22] Yeah, we need to really get this clear here on national television right now that we were down there with a peaceful match. By the way, the Wellington police said that was the most orderly match that they've seen. And we are there to uphold the institution of marriage and to protect the family hang on told [00:04:36] me about this guy one step by step here talking about the gays. You're not against gays and lesbians that right? No, not those people which means in good days as lesbians because the moment there's a bit of legislation we're not against benefit gays and lesbians. They [00:04:49] were a match. We're not against gay people for that we're definitely there to make a stand for marriage and for the protecting the family because the legislation that this government is perpetrating through the civil union bill is destructive to families. [00:05:04] How does it hurt families? [00:05:06] Well, it doesn't actually Paul, it doesn't affect the institution of marriage one iota. You as a heterosexual person marriage is not going to be affected one way or another [00:05:17] New Zealand as a whole by the roll there are [00:05:19] 300,000 plus normal heterosexual New Zealanders who are going to be [00:05:23] everybody knows gay couples are going to be able to get the same rights before the law as heterosexual couples, same sex couples are hallelujah. Yeah, well, exactly how the legal work, what damage is that going to defend? My drunken father's beating mother's poor, [00:05:40] beating give the many viewers right now watching your program. You may not agree with my particular Christian convictions, but we'll certainly agree that this type of behavior is unnatural, and it's abnormal. And it's just not acceptable. I don't want my children and my grandchildren they have to contend with that. But you say it's unnatural. [00:05:58] You say it's have no [00:06:01] I mean, you say it to these people are citizens like you, they have jobs, they pay their taxes, they don't go and beat up kids. [00:06:06] If we went out to the public for a referendum out there right now 80% of this population would say, No, we, we don't want this. We don't want this legislation. We don't want this law. This particular relationship of same sex relationships cannot be put on the same [00:06:22] footing with marriage. He has a great habit of casting a very wide meet to include a lot of people, how many of us are going to object to upholding family values, respecting those who believe in God and Christianity, not many New Zealand as Paul, that's the underlying message that comes with it, but only for those of us that happen to adhere to his belief system, and the rest of us that hell? [00:06:44] You've got a friendly attitude on six all around, really, if you don't mind me saying so you imply that juji there was some kind of sexual perversion? There's a couple of years back he suggested that Tim Burnett would stop at nothing to bring in acceptance of every sexual orientation in this country. [00:06:59] Do you believe that out to men to get them to woman together. And we say that there is a legitimate sexual relationship. You know, that is akin to provision that is not natural. And again, most people viewing your program would agree with that. That is not natural. They don't want this and it and now [00:07:19] 1980s suddenly the homosexual law reform the country got over it, then it moved on. And it was [00:07:26] always open. Open this. I don't see. [00:07:29] I don't see the link you're making between the sanctity and the safety of a family and some kind of giving gay couples right before the law in terms of a union. As I say to you, it is heterosexual men coming home from the pub bashing Mama. That's a whole nother issue. [00:07:45] That's another issue. [00:07:46] What I'm saying here is the family ain't necessarily some great, wonderful table, Brian, [00:07:52] isn't it nevertheless, all its dysfunctions that it might have around a pool the institution of marriage is irreplaceable and the moment We tamper with it we're going to continue to see the difficulties we face right now [00:08:05] being replaced of course the soul union [00:08:07] will know by that the civil union is doing the damage [00:08:10] a gay couple over here who want to make a formal legal commitment to each other can do so but you We're a family we're not affected by that. [00:08:16] Well, of course what they're also espouses those who do not believe in the same things as Brian and has a congregation do then our family's mental muscle we don't have there's no value and my Yeah, [00:08:30] family at the same time, Georgina, we played fast and loose with a family and a lot of people watching Brian are very and a lot of Brian's church people mentioned how they've learned to live as a family. I've heard them on the top edge and they talked about they've learned the wonders in the valley with a family and we've seen nothing that family breakdown. Under successive governments for 30 years, I could probably show you or introduce you to children of same sex couples who are some of the most well adjusted New Zealand as you could out want to meet. There is always going to be here. [00:09:00] There is always going to be agreement assigned to a woman and our responsibility to not pursue the real issues and deal with them. I know that the label the government is looking at the family issues was established a family's commission, we are working on the trials of [00:09:17] another friend to bring same sex relationships to the same 14 is marriage and that's not good enough. [00:09:23] Why not good enough? Well, you're not good enough for me as a law dad and today, country woman, children [00:09:31] is the day that we can then separate the states your [00:09:33] attitude towards abortion, and [00:09:37] to church, I think I mean, by the top you should have a chance to answer that you've got a million dollar home you've got a boat at a steady paying off, you've got a couple of flash cars, or flash car you got a couple of Harley's and your money is derived solely from the church. And the people who come to your church are asked to give 10% of their gross not net gross income. [00:09:54] Isn't that a bit dodgy Brian? That's a baby living off guard. Now that's a biblical requirement. Paul Any church that it [00:10:01] keeps you in a boat, [00:10:03] or a hold on after 2425 years of living right and doing the right things and making wise decisions, you should have something to show for you for your good living. And that's what we've paid. And that's what I've bought out of our savings to do so. The issue here that getting back to it, is that we've got to protect our families and our children and our grandchildren's future, Paul, and we, the VMAs here got to understand that this is important. They've got to understand the civil union bill is nothing but a face. Yeah, to try and legalize it and put on the same footing as marriage and then [00:10:39] other people as you've got a nice big shiny gold chain there and people are given 10% of their gross income, very vulnerable people, many of [00:10:44] them that's the poor the change lives that the miracles of the lives that have been changed and what has happened and their families is frozen itself that speaks for itself. [00:10:55] Thank you Brian Tamaki for coming in. And Georgina bar. Thank you very much for coming in as well. Still to come on the And tall black Sam, they've rock'n'roll the Olympics, haven't they into their term Helen Nico indoor arena but no medals but a wonderful event. So we're going to celebrate the tall blacks and say thank you to the All Blacks when we come back

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