Gay Radio (27 June 1982)

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[00:00:00] This audio [00:00:00] comes from the collections of the lesbian and gay archives of New Zealand. It's been lightly it has a duty copyright restrictions, and unedited version is available at the archive. For more information visit logins.org.nz it. [00:00:19] Sunday, the 27th of June is the first day of Gay Pride Week 1982. As an introduction to Gay Pride Week, we'd like to replay gay radio first broadcast during Gay Pride Week, last year. [00:00:40] Well, I think we all know, most of us know, from a very early age, we have an intrinsic feeling with that we're sort of somehow different. [00:00:50] Perhaps not everyone actually defines us on or puts a word on us until they get older, maybe in their late teens, with somebody people screaming go on until the [00:01:03] you know, into in middle age sort of varies quite a bit. [00:01:09] And you don't actually tend to, [00:01:12] to form your own personality, as being gay and living as a gay person at all sort of, you know, after you've been out for a few years. And I was quite fortunate that [00:01:24] we meet and have been living together for for two years now. And and that sort of has helped me develop [00:01:32] personally. [00:01:35] We identify with the, you know, with, with our own six, I mean, as a game mile, I don't wish to become a woman, nor do I feel as I'm, you know, I'm particularly feminine. I have no doubts about my masculinity. [00:01:51] I don't wish to be a woman on I don't wish to receive the woman's clothing. I think this is probably [00:01:59] part of the fear that people have about us. I mean, you know, we are everywhere, we were much the same as the average some sort of Joe Bloggs in the street, we're really not much indifferent and the final analysis, but I think people like to delude themselves that we are different by creating these weird stereotype said that isolates the whole question of homosexuality from them before because it's this, it's portrayed as the strange kind of stereotype they therefore don't have to fear it quite so much because it's not [00:02:31] it's not normal than they are [00:02:33] basically means are free. I mean, there are free from what I see is there a piece of mail stereotypes of forced on me in our society, because I don't fit into them was I love other men. [00:02:47] And because I don't fit into the stereotypes, they have quizzes and posters and theories. And I means I've got to find my own lifestyle, I got to find my own values. [00:02:58] And the way I choose to have my life, and that gives me a hell of a lot of freedom to to explore different alternatives and I'm not straight jacketed, by the by what's expected of me [00:03:13] that means I'm free to be emotional to show emotions I can cry if I want to [00:03:21] you know, I don't have to be frightened of missing that I like flowers for instance, or about doing a manly things, it means that I can be open and my relationships without the main animals and was woman [00:03:37] it becomes bodies men are expected to to treat women and six objects. But when you don't relate to actually you can treat them as full human beings as had been living with one or two years [00:03:52] before I came out, and it was Mark came out was I fell head over heels in love with a man [00:04:00] which completely threw me. [00:04:03] And [00:04:05] I don't mean to me as I had a long time but miss about six months. of [00:04:11] basically, it was sheer help. Because you know, my whole world crumbled around me and I had to had to sort it all out again. I had to sort out my relationship with Helen the woman I was living with. [00:04:23] Less it turned out to be to we stopped living together. [00:04:26] I had to sort of sort my own mind out where I still put all my friends. [00:04:33] And then what was off the most anxious part was here I was I knew I was gay but I didn't know any other game in the man who fell in love with was up in Oakland. [00:04:46] So perhaps the most anxious moments I had we're trying to make contact with other game me and not knowing what to expect. [00:04:56] my flatmates [00:04:58] Well, they really pushed me into meeting meeting at the gays one of the meeting. Drag Me along with this meeting I ever went to without game where there are other gaze was one of the Gay Pride meetings, Gay Pride Week meetings. [00:05:14] And all my friends one interesting there is none of them was surprised to find out that was gay [00:05:22] that we were incredibly supportive, especially Helen when I used to live. [00:05:28] So that Yeah, that was a great help of [00:05:33] reassessing were, you know, my entire life. [00:05:37] That's sometimes be hard at work, you hear anti gay jokes and so on. We sometimes lack the energy to actually jump up and do anything about them. [00:05:48] Everywhere you go, you can hear anti gay jokes, you can add comments people pass in the street. Also, you're subjected just to the great Berridge all heterosexual ideas, the big romantic movies you see in the cinema, which always heterosexual, which we've got the man and the woman running off happily, hand in hand into the sunset at the end, that type of thing as oppressive. [00:06:17] Well, being where I am now, of course, I'd know what to do, because I'm in the middle of it all. [00:06:24] If I wasn't, I didn't know I'd probably look in the personal columns in the newspaper, I might perhaps find a copy of out or pink triangle in a news agent in town. [00:06:38] I might, for instance, see the advertisement for the Wellington gay switchboard in the newspaper and phoned him up to find out what there is. [00:06:47] Well, the switchboard has been set up primarily as an information service with a view to [00:06:55] acting as I telephone counselling service, [00:07:00] when we can develop the resources and the people [00:07:04] trying to be able to do it. [00:07:08] But basically, at the moment, it is just an Information Service. The types of calls that we generally get a Philly varied, most of them however, gay people wanting to know where they can meet other gay people. [00:07:22] And [00:07:23] that is basically what we're sort of designed to do at the moment. [00:07:27] Generally, the sorts of problems that most wall not necessarily most within a lot of [00:07:33] gay people face is [00:07:34] that of isolation and loneliness. [00:07:39] And we hope to overcome some of these things by [00:07:43] in the long term, bringing people out of themselves, helping them to accept and acknowledge their sexuality [00:07:50] to try and develop a positive image about themselves. A lot of stripe, some people particularly men have this kind of paranoia that they, they think it's actually possible [00:08:01] for them to be converted. [00:08:04] Its manifest in the in the field, which they often show towards us. [00:08:10] I mean, if if a man is some secure about his own sexuality, and he shouldn't, it should definitely should have nothing to actually fear by, by the presence of another gay person need a lot of straight minute a very, very [00:08:24] upset and quite freaked out by know, suddenly discovering that the classwork associated, there's this guy or a little close friend of theirs, this guy, we generally call this homophobia. I mean, there's no way that a person's sexual orientation can be changed. I mean, there's no way that a person who was essentially heterosexual can be can be changed. And as he has those intrinsic sorts of policies, any more than I can be turned into a heterosexual by some kind of crazy psychotherapy. I mean, this is what they used to do. So as we've been [00:08:56] we've been torches and all sorts of geysers and the whole of making us some normal I mean, aversion therapy, some classical example of this sort of thing and has been practiced in years gone by anyone who's for example seen Clockwork Orange knows what the implications of aversion therapy are all about. [00:09:17] You know, we don't we're quite happy as we are, we don't want to change we don't need to change. [00:09:23] I am not second as as the attitudes of society which is sick. [00:09:28] The direction I'm heading in us for the destruction of the prison society and the creation of a new kind of society in which everybody is for you to be what he or she wants to be, rather than what the pope or miss battle it tells us to [00:09:41] be the Society for the Prevention of community [00:09:43] standards, what do you think about [00:09:47] basically that we're very right right wing organization that sort of dedicated to maintaining what that what was the status quo many years ago, [00:09:57] being essentially Christian based, tend to interpret the Bible as they were told to interpret it when they were children. I see it as a, as a middle aged organization, but life's getting and older. [00:10:12] Who want to return to the good old days back when men women are more normal woman and wars were walls and everybody went to them and kill each other and it was wonderful. [00:10:25] I think they're very narrow minded and they were [00:10:28] and repressed people themselves. I think I have to be just Yeah, for them to think and the way that they do. And my other people they, you know, the right so i think themselves [00:10:42] but I just I really can't comprehend it myself. I kind of think of it in terms of bigotry. [00:10:48] A section of Wellington's gay community has attacked the Society for the Promotion of community standards for what it sees as the society's oppression of homosexual rights. About a dozen people pick it it as a side meeting in Wellington last night, not spokesman john thought he says it's just the beginning of protest action against the society. There's two thought he says the society has been campaigning to have gay publications banned by calling them pornographic. It says the society sees homosexuals as a threat, because they need a lifestyle different from the traditional one. [00:11:25] You've [00:11:25] got [00:11:29] some instructions like this object to them, [00:11:33] to put their point of view? [00:11:39] Well, I couldn't be sure. [00:11:42] Not to my knowledge, not to my knowledge. [00:11:46] Just think about Jesus. [00:11:49] I do know quite a lot of gay people yes. And [00:11:51] do support their issues, their rights. I do very much [00:11:54] what you hope to hear or otherwise the meeting tonight. [00:11:57] I'm here to [00:12:00] try and pick up the distortions, the exaggerations, the misuse of statistics, [00:12:05] gross attacks on groups who are trying to [00:12:09] make it a more civilized community. [00:12:11] You don't have to be [00:12:24] we're here to protest that the SPC is action and attempting to ban Susan gay and lesbian literature, which we don't consider to be pornographic. They aren't making the distinction between pornography and legitimate guy and he's been material. And we're going to turn up to more and more of these sorts of meetings and voice their protest because we consider the SPC is to be an instrument of oppression, to support the rights of No way. Excuse me. So do you support guy runs? [00:12:53] No comment. [00:12:55] What do you feel about the people outside? What do you feel about the people that are protesting against? Yes. [00:13:06] What do you what am I talking about dinner? [00:13:08] Oh, there's a young I don't know what the game is their days. [00:13:21] Tonight, [00:13:22] it is my privilege to introduce to you about figure who has saved his life on the part of of what what file. [00:13:32] Mr. Raymond Carver is a lawyer from the centuries [00:13:36] who works with the legal stuff with the citizens of this is a Drupal. [00:13:40] So I'm here to discuss kind of a controversial subject. Obviously, that's the first time in all my years of experience, I've had that kind of agree jumping into the hall. And I share the prayer that was offered up to those people, it's unfortunate that there before I can be that different than than that of ours, and how they could possibly turn what most of us we can center to be just at his face and evil thing. It was something they considered to be good. It's hard to imagine. But again, it was it was indicated we should pray for me pray for ourselves that people are [00:14:12] talking about what they're doing. That's the first time I've been in the so called homosexual capitals of the world, I guess in San Francisco and even parts of Los Angeles. Good. I've never seen that kind of a protest of the meeting. So it's very kind of interesting. [00:14:27] When I get back home, and I was [00:14:30] just as certainly as a project. [00:14:40] coaster use the other [00:14:46] side, I have a poll that people will stand out and [00:14:52] condemning people outside and at the same time sign in [00:14:59] the past. [00:15:07] Please refrain [00:15:07] from speakers. [00:15:20] narrow minded. [00:15:25] A couple [00:15:25] of years ago lesbian and gay groups made submissions to the Human Rights Commission. Could you tell us something about those submissions and the outcome of them? [00:15:34] I can [00:15:34] tell you that those submissions were aimed at a situation in which no distinction would be made between men and women or between heterosexual and homosexual the outcome was quite clear the Human Rights Commission on the government's it going good last we want to preserve a distinction between men and women we wanted to preserve a distinction between her say it was sexual homosexual we want to preserve it in such a way that heterosexuals have all the privileges and homosexuals have none [00:16:01] I get when I get very angry with them was so small minded and toe conservative I'm willing to to sit down go through even to argue rationally back with you if they could argue rationally with with me or with any any other gay activists and you know, I'd have a dense that more respect for the for the findings, the matter which way they went, but when they refuse to argue they refuse to discuss the findings? I think, Well, basically what why why do they refuse to discuss it was I scared [00:16:34] because they don't have any confidence rather, in the findings that they that they have come to. [00:16:40] And when people like that are in a position of power, and you can't question their authority, there are no you know, that the only thing you can do is go to the person who happens to be a member of the Human Rights Commission anyway, so they got Fat chance there. And people at that sort of have ultimate authority ultimate saying over the lives of thousands museum does and I think they abuse that power, which gets me really angry, but what you know, as Christian of what you can, what can you do about it, you can get really angry you can go out and pick up the place in that but [00:17:13] essentially, you're banging your head against a brick wall. [00:17:19] So you know, I prefer to watch things that that will get me very angry, I will go to some political act, write letters, to the ministers, to the papers, etc. I prefer to put my energy into something which will have more positive result, such as counseling or welcome welfare work, or just raising my own consciousness. I think that the only way you raise your consciousness is by talking about things by discussing them, turning them inside out and just sort of analyzing an entire problem or an aspect of life that maybe you haven't analyzed in any depth before. It's only by doing that, that you will be able to raise your consciousness and with her speak to that particular issue. [00:18:04] And if non gay people don't, don't talk about throughout prepared to even think about it, then they're never going to be able to see past the stereotypes. I think a lot of them mean particularly [00:18:17] frightening to have to think past the stereotypes. [00:18:21] For instance, you know, the made it work. Yeah, they will know that I'm gay, but they constantly keep making these [00:18:30] putdowns not to me, because they wouldn't do that but you know to each other sort of saying or what I prefer or something like that sort of thing. [00:18:40] If I'm around or Christmas right away, but it's the constant little put downs like that I think really do a lot of power and they created within the people who use those two they create a very negative image [00:18:55] poster poster, right I just want to remind you of the fact that they wrote role one [00:19:02] member of the faculty is the mounting the guys in any way at all if anybody wants to roll three role for now this damn, I don't want to catch anybody not drinking roll five [00:19:16] six there is now [00:19:19] rolls. [00:19:22] rolls [00:19:23] break usually they say very negative things about us. I mean, how many jokes Do you hear about queens puffs whatever [00:19:31] most of them [00:19:35] are designed to make fun of the person consumed in every time we laugh at that sort of joke we put ourselves down [00:19:41] oh look the way you [00:19:43] all again I've had a bit of a morning on the bench [00:19:46] I could stop my little fee the way those QC is carry on. No no objection objection they're not nice comfortable giving that evidence so well. Beautiful speaking voice by for a bit there was nothing I could do except bang the gavel I'm trying to the silence in Chrome bit always lots of killer prosecuting council member 30 years and it was quite pleased actually I've tried to do it in bush bush you know what the jury must understand. And you know they can see that form and I'm really yes Tiki table. Anyway, I finished up with a tall man with a very big just a minute just finished up with the actions of these vicious men on a violent stain on the community and the full potential of the law is hardly strong enough to deal with I guess the crimes and I'm like oh but we [00:20:35] just slightly [00:20:38] better at one [00:20:39] time was super strike rule when the manslaughter [00:20:43] well of course this is all based upon a number of stereotypes for gaming the stereotype is [00:20:50] someone who speaks with a less false is I've always wear high heels and you know generally is very feminist and [00:21:00] generally that's that's very untrue. I mean, there are a number of feminine miles around some of them are homosexuals some of them are not some of them are good for sexual This is a stereotype which was the straight world head well as I stated which the intersection world has and really young you know a lot of the time we we don't look at a significantly different from anybody else. Someone only for gay woman, the stereotype of there as often have [00:21:29] you know, a very masculine type of woman who sort of Where's gum boots and smokes and drum roll your own. But I you know, that's not the game. That's that's the full stereotype. [00:21:39] Yeah, I think also, but [00:21:42] when they don't treat the subject and that's stereotypical way. [00:21:48] They just ignore it usually. And that in itself, Chris, [00:21:54] if it's if the subjects not raised people won't think about it. People want to have a question. Gratitude, so I've got towards it. And by ignoring it, they you know, it's effectively [00:22:08] discriminating against us I think, for instance, close to home was quite happy to deal with bomb threats and murders and marriage breakdowns and premarital sex and all sorts of other wonderful things that are real life but they consider homosexuality is is to [00:22:25] come traditional an issue for them to possibly bring up it says we've got the some problem with that, that scared of their audience and what they think their audience will accept, will believe. You get scandal, magazines like truth, who who will just quite happily destroy somebody. [00:22:46] Just so they can get a leading feature, that I don't care about that person basically all they care about a scandal you and you meant to be shocked by it, the people who buy it back because I want to be shocked. They want to think Oh God, isn't this terrible. That's this horrible. This is why these people live. And it reinforces this the [00:23:07] social attitudes that that already exists. It doesn't get people to think about a question at the listeners slightly better, though, it's appears to have changed its stance on that now. [00:23:21] Magazines generally confine themselves just a report. In fact, [00:23:26] you know, you might get a feature article on a dog time or something, but you'd never get something on a gay community center, or regardless of those opinions, the basic structure of society is still the same. It has history six is it's based on the nuclear family. It's based on the idea of [00:23:45] heterosexual marriage of producing children who will go on and do the same thing of working hard making lots of money. Society is still like that and still the same. And it's that sort of society, which are prisoners. Yes. Can you give us any idea of what a society should be that would accept gay people sit down the minority groups? That's a very hard question. I don't really know. It's something I'm always thinking about. It's one of those things we talked about when we get together, it will be a society which is not based on hierarchies of society, which won't be based on the oppressive use of power. That all sounds very idealistic. [00:24:32] Whether or not we can ever get it to work in practice, I don't know, I really hope so. And with some of the groups I'm involved, and with some of the [00:24:42] the circle of friends I have, I think that I might be doing something to help build up a small supportive community based along I hope, better lines, it's really not possible [00:24:55] for any radical group to describe the kind of society that it's going to create. If you work in with groups of gay people, and I've had many feminists described the same thing in working with groups of women. When you see the huge amount of creativity and almost unlimited energy that women working together can unleash or guys working together can unleash, you'd have to be a fool to predict the form and nature of the society that those people are going to create. [00:25:27] Once [00:25:28] they're allowed to achieve their objectives, and to have a whole human rights in which every woman every guy, every black person is freely contributing, is freely participating in that society. We're visiting something that no human being has any perception of a prison. [00:25:49] will be listening to gay radio from the lesbian gay media collective. If you'd like information on Gay Pride Week 1982. Phone the gay switchboard on Wellington's seven to 8609 any night this week, but seven to 8609 will be back next Sunday at two o'clock with another guy radio program. [00:26:15] I don't believe one of these stories.

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