Counting Ourselves - Wellington launch

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in [00:00:05] Say my name is Jay been on trend sky. I am a human rights researcher. [00:00:15] I'm from the west coast of the South Island but I live in Oakland now and I transition to Wellington [00:00:22] and I'm here with I haven't got my headphone up seem to have lost there but I'm [00:00:29] here with the head on of counting ourselves which is our community leads trends or non binary health and well being survey that heaps of you filled out this is a commute was community lives research project. The Jamie who is the person who got the funding be able to do it. As a trans woman. She really wanted to be here today but she's been away from home for about 10 days. And has some sec panel members so she had to fly home a little bit earlier. And then I came on board part time to work on a community advisory group. And a community advisory group has three people from here on earth. He Jeevan and we're so be there were three people who are Wellington based. And they helped us come up with the questions and more really importantly, help with the outreach to get people to fill in the survey. So I asked you to say if you feel the done, but it's an anonymous survey, so I won't do the head, but I can tell you that Wellington was the place that totally overachieved and you got more than your proportion of the population voted out 26% of our respondents from Wellington, so you know, you probably deserve it. [00:02:00] I have means that we have responses from people all over the country. And most places that was about that the proportion of the population, except because you overachieved, everyone else, slightly underachieving for the proportion of the population that the youngest was the youngest that people could be was 14 and that was to get the ethics approval because we asked some really, as any of you, when it was some kind of there were tough questions in there about people who thought about suicide or attempted suicide. So 14 was the youngest wiki here that we're allowed to ask. And we all just personally voted out was 83. So you huge huge range of people. And the regions here was all over the country the the ethnicity mix, we over represented pakia and over represented presented Marty slightly sweet choice that we do dead Pacific. concerned about with the proportion of the population and Asian was slightly lower Asian Pacific participants. So the other four main groups we divided it into that we had enough people to report back on. And it's kind of hard to because we don't know what that the data about Asian participants with that. Also, the proportion of Asian trans and non binary people in New Zealand don't know, we don't know if their proportions met the rest of the population in the same way. But we got enough to be able to make to say some things about the experiences of each of those groups that was slightly different from the others. We also people with disabilities, huge proportion, a quarter of our participants have a disability. And whether we use this technical term, the Washington group short sex questions that one of the ones we use, because it's what sets in TV users so we can compare against the overall population. So that's why we use that but we also So asked about your diversity. And when you had it the people with disabilities and those who were you know, diverse was about a third of our participants. So it's huge for got a lot of disability data that we can analyze on others people who are interested in being part of of doing it. So really wanted to thank everyone in Wellington, we put such a huge effort because not only did you get so many people to fill it out, but also some of the resources we use like gender minorities, Altidore, you did poster, put up posters about us around the country and just to promote, you know, and we tried to we use their resources, their social media stuff and places we we knew it was really hard to get. So we did lots of we did you know that we had posters up of an array on the east coast and because we are a little bit restricted from we offend some head billboards, but we put posters up and we knew It's going to be harder to reach out to people who had transitioned A long time ago who went so much on on social media that you know, people like Karen and pity to while who we were based in Wellington for a long time. They really reached out through emails people when people to ask them to fill it out, and you could fill it out by hand, but you know, we could see him paper copies out. So now I'm just going to go move slightly over to the left. [00:05:32] So, Felicia Burnett is one of the community advisory board members along with a people who just shared their words about why it was so important for people to fill out the survey. Then [00:05:48] we also wanted this to be really robust because we have got people that we're up against obviously at the moment, we need really robust data. So we got the survey reviewed tonight short word for outcomes. University. And we also talked to people and government agencies to look at the survey so they can give us some feedback and help professionals. And it was live from 25th. June, two days before my birthday. You can write that down if you want to 30th of September, but a couple of people messaged me like at about 1130 on the 30th of September. So to be honest, I listened stay open till about 10am on the first of October. That was the 30th of September. Well, 1178 responses we could use there were hardly any. We didn't we don't he didn't take any been maliciously trying to do something to what we thought there might be. I think it was just too long. You have to be really dedicated to start to really stop other responses that we did get some people who came in and then didn't come back or came in and came back later. So there were people who did have multiple, so we cleaned all that up. So we originally we started you know, with Bigger than that last week cleaned out over multiple. But since 1978, and lots of people spent a lot of time on on, I think the average was between one and two hours. So that's way, way too long for a survey. But we took out lots of questions at one point and everyone keeps saying put them back. So I know it was a huge effort from people who filled it out. And there was some really heavy things there. So immensely grateful for people for doing it. And one point we're trying to figure out the average, but we realized that the person who just left the screen on for four days was stuffing stuffing stuffing up at average, so we haven't got an average time. And you have to be trading to non binary generic to use that word to describe yourself but we have a number of questions that identified someone whose gender was different from this exercise. So and whatever word you use, and loving an artist or an age 14 or either was they necessary mix that I showed you there? We had a great sharing some data with some people yesterday, there's some wonderful quotes we've got where people, particularly modern Pacific people talked about how the seeds of their identity that you know, gender was part of it. But it was only a part of who they were. And there was the cultural context that supported who they were. I haven't got it on this one. Sorry that we've got some wonderful quotes in the report. These These are some ones that I can tell that this was a presentation for some health providers, but for Pacific people, they will you know, what amongst our community, I guess I could say some of the hard stuff. They were more people who had been faced rejection from their family. So besides people, some people saying there was a lot of cultural support. There were other people talking about the hard stuff. And he suffered participants, one of the best Then was on racism and particularly in public places they were the group most likely to report racism and public places. [00:09:11] And [00:09:13] yeah, only only with on some of the other surface, the regions, which I already told you about, but these are the words that people could give you probably can't see it from a from a distance, but you have a long list you could put for your, what are your gender, and non binary was by far the most most common what was the most common one after what transgender just below our 40% of people identified as non binary, and the lots you just identified as male or female, trans men, trans women and you know, then we get to gender queer gender fluid. The word that was a non English word that people most likely to use, the most common was Tucker powerfully. So 4% of people use took a pathway and we had some other Pacific commodity words that this question here the word cloud as we asked people if there was a from the cultural background was was a term that was used to describe the people were people like them and and those were the Mexican names there. Most of the ones you can see the bigger ones are mighty or Pacific Tim's, but there's a few other from other languages as well. The main point from this one is that are non binary and our trans masculine participants were more likely to be younger, and at transport more feminine participants. On the average Max, they were more likely to be a little bit older. So you know, [00:10:40] and this way that [00:10:42] we have, we've grouped people into these three groups because for some of the general filming here, the Christians you know, we want to know the differences between trans masculine trans feminine people, most of the time we would so we can also divide the non binary About I think about three quarters of the non binary people were assigned female at birth. So our community who answered the survey is more assigned female at birth and assigned male at birth. With net. We don't know if that's the MOOCs or whether that's the people we were able to reach. But it was harder to reach people who had transitioned A long time ago. But there are also people who transitioned A long time ago who filled it out. So this makes does kind of seem very similar to some surveys from Australia and the US in recent times. We can break it down more we can just see you know, the, the will or the age groups or youth 14 to 24 unless the older people are people like me age 55 plus, so there's there's not that many of us at all and and a big chunk, the and also in the middle ground. If anyone's got any questions regarding just you know, Shout out. And we can do some at the end. So I already mentioned the disability data. And this is the an interesting one. With in this nature that disability, there's six things that get measured. And we were the only one that and people got counted if they have, cannot do or have a loss of difficulty with any of these six things, and we were higher for all of those except for hearing. And I think that probably is partly because our group is younger, and a lot of people who would take this might be age related hearing impairments. We were much bigger on a couple of them. And the one that was the biggest was reporting a lot of difficulty or could not concentrate or a member. And we've talked to a couple of disability activists and people wonder whether that's actually related to the streets or the psychological space on our communities, because I'm from This leisure technology doesn't differentiate between whether it's something that you have always had or as likely to continue to have for the rest of your life, or that something that may be happening to you at this particular point in time. But really, you know, 18% of our participants see that I have a lot of difficulty or could not concentrate or remember, and that's compared to 2% of the overall population. Now, I'm not going to go into so much detail on all the slides because this was for a much bigger presentation, and I don't want to bore you and maybe we want to talk more about activism and action and all the results. But all the types of gender affirming here, we asked you questions about all of them, and there's huge levels of unmet need for all of the family there is the least unmet need, you know that people wanted something but couldn't get it. There was axios top lines, and that's because partly because of the cost of once you get on to them. cheaper compared to anything else we're trying to get that. But still almost 20% of people wanted to get on hormone treatment and couldn't and, and the biggest one was just reconstruction surgery. And the reason why that was the biggest level of unmet need is because saw I think was 99% of transmissive of trade of people assigned female to answer the survey, wanted chest reconstruction surgery, backup was a really high proportion wanted it, and lots can get up. So we've got a huge proportion of unmade for trans woman, the biggest one was nominated for voice therapy, and for our surgery, humanizing genital surgery. cost for all of them was the biggest barrier and how the end the only ones that any decent amount of people have ever been able to have been out to get up to the public health system was hormones counseling, support and mental health. assessment, everything else much, much very unlikely that people have received through the public health system. And even for things like their people who wanted us didn't know how to get up in terms of like things like counseling these images so you know, there's fear stomach just shy people talking and saying please fill out the survey when we came to and sometimes they were like, you know, quite [00:15:26] passionate ones about the things that need to change. And then we wanted to have some uplifting images in the final report. So we asked Viviana just to imagine that we had things the way we wanted. So this is someone tuning up somewhere and we've got our posters on the wall, and it kind of feels like it's a little bit more welcoming. So that said emerge and and, you know, the quotes around things like the cost of here, mobile places where it's just impossible to get access to anything that It's about to change in price to stuff that had a wonderful mix of health professionals in the community coming together. And it's going to be announced before the end of the year that I've actually got some trans health pathways. I don't believe maybe as some of the other pathways on that, and the country was struggling to keep open but you know, they've got ones happening in Christchurch and and then people talking about the really positive things of getting onto he said he area we had we communications and we didn't make up the recommendations, we went and looked at things that other people had already been saying and other documents. And so this is actually we just need real form conceit models. We need to be able to get access to all types of training for people. And also really specifically that we need a cup of Marty and Pacifica models of, of services available. And this was one of the examples of you know, this person's holding out how to access genuine here in your region. You know, that's the worst that in every part of the country goes somewhere, they probably wouldn't give it to you and paper, they'll probably give you the link. But it's kind of hard to draw a line online, and then an image, but that that's the heart that we need that. But currently, most parts of the country, clinicians can't even find with me to a few people to live alone people in the community. And I know you've just announced stuff here really recently, which is great. So this was fun. I you know, the skates and what health providers know. And this one, about 13% of participants have been asked unnecessary or invasive questions. And I love the conferences today that Kate and Molly came to light. Oh, really, when you're there, people are using the data. Like that's what it's here for. Please use these stuff. If you want to make sure you've got the prettiest graphs if you want to go online because there's a few that we've tweaked. Some server in the report but yes, please use the data take it places [00:18:08] you know people not going to access care because they worried they will be treated with disrespect. And that was [00:18:17] 20% in the past 12 months haven't gone [00:18:22] and so the numbers about you know, trading for all types of health professionals and we have we've specifically put residential care facilities there. We didn't have a few people in aged care facilities who filled out the survey but we also identified it as the group that's going to get bigger and you know, silver rainbow and Auckland, that's the group that goes and does training and HQ facilities when they can get them there. You know, share examples of that, you know, some people it's maybe a partner was past five now golden ticket maybe there's the first time they can think about transitioning and so that you know, the organization actually has had people approached in an age care facilities that are wanting to transition. So you know, leading trading near as well. And there was one of those positive one you know, finally found a good JP tech. This is the wildlands you know, the, the data around suicide, psychological distress and violence. So, obviously, if anyone just doesn't want you know, doesn't want to listen to the staff or watch it now, you know, this, no worries, feel free to, you know, to leave whatever break proteins, you need to put money in a parking meter, whatever, come back, if you are just wanting to give people that chance. Then you probably say nice because, you know, it's been in the media, this is some of the stuff we emphasize a lot. So you know, 5060 Proceed more than half of our community people who are the people who are to the serious to the had seriously thought about suicide in the last 12 months, and 12% had attempted. So that's not a surprise to our community, but still very stark to see it in. And in 37 percentage attempted suicide. And we know that the level of stress on our community and that the impact that has on people's lives, we did a particular the psychological distress. [00:20:38] It's a scale of magnesia is predominantly around depression and anxiety and [00:20:44] the physical one here, we will people will notice and our community is the high or very hard at these two Bushnell ones if you add them together, that quick message 1% compared to 8%, but the rounding for the overall population, but basically, our community is nine times more likely to experience high or very high psychological distress. And we know that you know that minority stress when you come from a community that's marginalized, isolated, has all that stigma and discrimination this is this is what it looks like. But we got some other slides around the protective things that make a difference. And there are you know, things that really do make a difference. And and and so many of the things that are portrayed in the streets are things that other people should be getting together around like waiting lists when people need to access care and and people affirming and supporting us. And so the recommendations these ones pretty much came from the rainbow mental health, you know, the nice health and addictions inquiry and there was a large Lots of community groups filled out a rainbow submission. And you know, they were the experts. They were the people working in this area. So it's Moira Cody, who wrote that submission. They spoke to it recently. And it's three three words the first his name us, namely our community as a priority. The second one is train, train all those people working in mental health, about our community and the support we need. And the other one is obviously resourcing resourcing often some of the best initiatives coming from our communities but resourcing for people working with our community. [00:22:40] Substance she's phenomenal just micajah really the only main one was cannabis uses a bit higher that I think was was there are no no there are some other ones here. Actually, not just this cannabis ones the biggest one, but the other. So these used to be the following blab. So actually Now all of the higher ones. So notice that Jamie mostly talked about the cannabis when we were trying to put the quotes in the report. We haven't put a judgmental thing about people's use. So Someone may say No wonder use help significantly with my anxiety. But there was a bit more, there's more data set of people, Wikimedia, we would like to look at it quite a lot about people actually positively saying that when they transitioned. That was actually when they kind of sat down and got support and talk to other people around alcohol and drug. So says for some people transition was kind of a very much LinkedIn and those two journeys were very low score. So we already know from the youth 12 survey, we already knew data about young people and our starter pretty much very similar. The huge 12 normally a little bit worse but but pretty much match the same that the really high rates of bullying against our community. So this was our first three months seem to be bullied at school at least once a week and the 12 data so 19% and that's compared to the 12 needed for cisgender secondary school students it was only 5% and we had 93 secondary school students so it's almost exactly the same, pretty much around the same numbers as use 12. The dances from as well. It's interesting that our students are put on a normal non binary or transmit here very few identify this is trans woman was trans feminine, most identified as those other two and lots of other words as well. [00:24:50] And the positive support you can get from a counselor and really, really considering story about [00:25:00] sharing of photos of who Jesus Hylia in [00:25:05] a school trip, and actually, that's one of the areas of bullying that was particularly experienced by trans woman was cyber bullying. So I don't know if I've got that statistic here, but that was a difference for for trans trans woman. And the you know, there were positive examples of what's happening at school but it's it seems quite sporadic or people saying we used to have a group and it's not you know, like it's, it shows you know, there's still a lot to happen good lot needs to happen in schools, but people did give positive examples turn. And then once again, we looked at all the groups that have been doing work in schools and varied their their their things around comprehensive sexuality and gender diversity education, have regular diversity groups address polling question. policies and practices and making sure the idea what things you know some of which are under attack at the moment like the stuff about single six goals you know people's rights to a team single six goals ability to access whether it's about food based on the gender or gender neutral and changing rooms so you know that the areas where we need more guidance, and one of the really nice things being in Christ Church last week when we talked about there, you know, there were people there he talked about, I don't know if you've seen that the media Christ college, as you know, supported very, you know, traditional boys only schools supporting a training skill to transition. The main thing that we see about sport as there really is a health issue to all the media stuff has has been around, you know, trying to police transform and participating in sport but people haven't been focusing so much on the issues. We are all about overall genders that we looked at, you know, people really excited to participate in the sport and it's a real help for you well being a show. With many positive examples of sport, there were a couple people who'd been supported with the teammates and the, the club that supported them when someone else who complained, but mostly it was the difficulties and spoilered discrimination. One, two thirds had experienced discrimination at some point in the lives of and a few had experienced discrimination. You were twice as likely to have attempted suicide and in the last year, so that's, we've pulled out that data to show it you know, clearly the link between minority stories, you know, discrimination and the impacts on our health and suicide attempts. And lots of people didn't disclose it work 60 57% they worried about being discriminated against, and I didn't tell other people at work that they were trans women. And so this one, this recommendation was, like we all know, like trans and non binary people are protected under the ground of six and the Human Rights Act, but it doesn't explicitly say gender identity, or gender expression. It's important to have it. But we also need resources. So if you do get shot at school, at work, in any other environment, you can actually say, look, there's this material that says, You can't do that. Like if the government's going to say, We're already covered. We'll put some teeth behind it, and some information behind it. So it's not up for question. So that's the the training and resources. And then we particularly put one layer around police because we had some data about people's experiences with police. And so there was one group that particularly needed some training. We did ask people about experiences in prison, but the number of people Wasn't large enough for us to be able to break down their data. So I think yeah, it was weird enough people who are in prison we tried to get into prison to get people to fill it out that we weren't possible to do that it was hard because it was mostly online and that's really hard You know, people in person online surveys but we had other attempts with successful but I [00:29:25] the safety and violence is the other hand stuff you know, this this is a really clunky question. You know, someone tried to have sex with you against your world said to a 13. For reason we asked him is because we had some data someone else's asked that another quick survey so we can compare us to the overall population. So a third of us almost 32%, someone that had six with us against elbow since we were there today. And that's more than four times the overall population. They figure was higher for trans woman trans men non binary All of us, each of those groups have experienced that type of rape and abuse more than what their woman overall in the population or male population. And and if you had experienced that you were twice as likely to have attempted suicide in the past year and people who didn't report there. So it's like, these are the things that need to be addressed, you know, discrimination, violence against our communities, to be able to help and our well being and the spawn here about, you know, someone has 14 year old and had nowhere to go was there was no place within the school to be able to talk about an abusive relationship. And they seeds for surprisingly only got those answers when I approached my local youth group. Not ideal that I had to join a church to get sex education. So that's to get information about what does it give someone doesn't and and people Concerns about whether as a non binary person, they will be able to access a rape crisis into. So the need for, you know, clearly inclusive services. And, you know, that's, again, that's actually having the services that recognize our specific experiences, and also training and guidance for all agencies. And some wonderful things like people from help in Auckland came to our launch in Auckland like there are, you know, people working in the sector who really came to work and support our communities. [00:31:38] The identity documents [00:31:42] hardly any of us have got the courage to honor this certificate is it 3% of us. So there was, you know, with, you know, with conveyed to the you know, the Minister who's looking at changing their certificates and so, we just You know, clearly stood in support of the campaigns in the community there's someone fully submission around the bill and and the need to provide a non binary you know, the biggest group in our community are non binary people. And we have no non binary option on bid certificate. So the need for non binary gender marker option accessible administrative process based on self to the declaration. We've also got the swan about we condition about trans and non binary refugees and asylum seekers. We had people who were refugees and asylum seekers who filled out our survey and communications come from it's already been made and other spices. You can't change your name in New Zealand unless your criminal vigilant and you can't change your agenda on any document until your refugee camp has been accepted. So and most many people who come here seeking asylum will never be able to change documents. Come to come from [00:33:04] material hardship one is two other measures and [00:33:10] these are the four main ones, but are all of the missions of material hatch, there was a lot more material hardship in our community. So this is this is measured in the General Social Survey. So, in the last 12 months have you done that in any of the following things to keep costs down and, and we had done things like, you know, cut back on trips to go to shops or local places, repairing things putting up with feeling cold, gone without fish, fruit or vegetables. So those are questions that are used to measure material Archer and the group that was the most likely to experience there was people with disabilities. So amongst communities and family farmer, a positive one if people are told that someone needs me that they were trans or non binary, more than half seat 57% see that most all of the people they told was supporter so and if you are supported by at least half of your family or final, you are almost half as likely to have attempted suicide in the last 12 months so and that means, you know that family support as a protective factor for us and [00:34:34] and there was you know, people's experiences of being totally cut off from family through to people who found a place for themselves and their family. I like this one just remembering now me to be leaving things out for the audio. So read this one add my pronouns and gender identity don't translate well. It's my cultural world. So in talking about my pronouns, it can get tricky, but I found a piece within myself around there and I'm okay with that and other people you know cut off did I put up on to see whether I didn't put it here that just quite a lot of us appearance so I live there and the sectional metal just find it and the other part was quite a lot as well. So I have to take my glasses off to a dead [00:35:38] yes [00:35:40] almost one in five people 19% on our staff with the buttons to digital. [00:35:50] I can find the one that says how many up here is that presented the infrequent since identifying as trans or non binary is one in six people were appearance 16% and 90 almost Squadron. 519 percent of people were definitely like a child or more children. And it was really interesting is that Marty were much more likely so almost a third of MIT participants would definitely like a child or more children. So yeah, that's one of the things that I know people from the other project, Altidore were interested in cultural connectedness or community connectedness. So I am proud to be trans or non binary person. We had a third of a strongly agreed with it. And another 29 somewhat agreed that over half of people to some extent, agreed work. I'm proud to be trans or non binary person and I think it's really important. We say that because I was in a presentation this morning, where someone a health professional who really supportive generally said, no one chooses to be trends and why would you choose to be trends when you look at all of these negative statistics, and I think while that's the experience of some people that it doesn't feel like a choice to them, it feels like you know, born this way for some other people is a very active Actually, I grabbed this and I ran with it and I'm really really happy about it. I'm proud. So there's, there's a mix of things there. So I think Paul was saying that some of us just feels like it, it just stare at who you are. I think we have to deny the pride that we have an either individually or in our community so and, you know, we're community industries that were doing a hell of a lot of support for each other. 58% provided a lot of support to other trans or non binary people, and almost the same felt connected to others. And I know that the people who felt connected are more likely to see the survey, but I still think, you know, it's it's positive to see there are here's a Wellington one. Yeah, I feel very connected to the trans community and Wellington through volunteer work, maybe that's the option. [00:38:18] It's important to me that young transpiled never have to deal with any of the internalized issues that held me back from coming out for so long. [00:38:27] Then harder for someone in a small town I don't really get to meet other queer people, it alone trends or indie people, it's about isolating and people really valuing that there are other people that are very visible, and also their comment. I'm so tired and I understand that one. That's probably why I lost my mobile phone today. So these are some of the differences I think I've gone through summarize the higher rates of mental health issues for young disabled participants and disabled people also highlights Discrimination violence and hardship, non binary released slightly to, to report positive experiences with when are accessing health care. Often there was a real real [00:39:12] concerns about being not being understood not being believed, you know, part by health professionals [00:39:22] and transmitted know and trans women are more likely to say that you know, since identifying as trans quality of life improved that was least common with what non binary people think of talked about Asian Pacific participants. And when we looked at everyone who hasn't European running wasn't pakia if it is a typo, if you had a strong sense of belonging to the ethnic group, you're less likely to have considered suicide in the last 12 months. So this is the beginning of our starting to look at some of the data about connection to college. And how they that supports people's health. And we're about to do some work in the next week we're spending half a day in a hurry with on a project out here or to sit down and look at the data that I've collected about Tucker Tarpley and cultural connectedness, animal and material we've got and see if together it can support they can support each other, and painting a picture. And this is like resources, resource, peer support, and other well being initiatives that are lead by our communities, and including those developed by disabled people, Marty and Pacifica people's Asian and other ethnic minorities and refugees and asylum seekers. So the people doing the work within particular parts of our community, that that's where we need to get the resources. And this image is not a transplant the bed and a picture of lots of different trans and non binary people and maybe some of the other family who knows of different ages and ethnicities and that wonderful poster that trans people have always existed. [00:41:11] So that was that was asked [00:41:15] you know a project team I'm trying to see who the [00:41:19] all of us are based in Colorado or, or in Oakland. Some of you know he told me because he lived here for a long time Tommy provided lots of safety and support. We know we had a little phone but I carried in case that there was a number on the CD that people could bring us in each point in time. We didn't have the patcher so it was the cheapest by making funny funny in it was really had you but I think I only got two calls on that but we had at the as a backdrop, and, and he was there for support around how we praise the Christians. So I see Bay and patatas Spiders as well as his face to Wellington, the Thai chicken and the Thai given in here from Wellington oh no community by sweet grow Karen's names list appear cisgender Li would do that editing of the report and lots and lots of time into that. And thank you to anyone who sent us comments about how we can sort of make the Christian year better. And you can get a hold of I think about this, the interview ones, the ones out here. So these, you've got a couple like two here that are left from your box that you had and I've got about I think I've got about 10, maybe 12 copies of the report. And particularly we want them to go to people in organizations who can use them but you can also find it online and I've got a [00:43:02] question. Yeah, you may remember that [00:43:16] some people [00:43:20] sceeto enticing data Cisco collegiately more analysis over because we didn't just ask people. [00:43:29] We ask people, all the people that they were attracted to sexual attraction history by state. And so it's not as simple because we just thought, partly we asked it that way because we knew from other surveys and other things that we've done it often you with kids, for example, a trans woman who has who identifies the dangerous FEMA has identified that she has seen With me, and what's down his sexual orientation is in our surveys, and we've had, so we just thought of, we just, we wanted to get more into the mix of it. So yes, we've got data, but it's quite complex that we haven't analyzed you. But we also got heaps of data, we ask people, how has your life changed in many ways and to identify those trends or non binary and that's really interesting in terms of people's relationship to their bodies by the hard stuff and the really good stuff. For the future, when you know sometimes people saying having relationship with another trans person is one of the most appealing things now. [00:44:45] And to be seen as fully as who you are with words by is the best sexual experiences that I ever had. [00:44:54] And then also the staff about the how the, you know, the impact of discrimination on, you know, for some people, it made it harder to find partners. So it's complete, it was a company that so so that's more about partners that's more about sex and sexual behavior. And we've got a lot of data about sexual attraction. But I can't tell you how many right off the top of my head now identified as a different label, because we just kind of thought that was too simplistic to explain it. So we've got more work. And I guess that introduces me to that other thing is that we've got lots more data, we'd love people in the community who want to help us analyze some of that data, that we've got the data, we can analyze it, but then people say, what does this mean? And whether that's gonna be academic articles for people are into doing it, or whether it's going to be creating community resources, like already I talked to Stace to that. What's the first disability resource we create? You know, I'm putting together a group of people to talk about doing it. We haven't got much funding our family Pretty much dry up now, but we've got a commitment to keep doing the way that we're going to keep trying to find funding so that we can keep coordinating people to write things. And that's been great that people have created for graphics already with stuff and are using anyone else. Yeah. [00:46:22] Continuing that when the reason why I asked it was the complexity of identifying mental health and addiction service needs, because the research that Frank pinker and others did show that find pain communities have higher depression, mental health and addiction abuse issues, then either gay or straight community. So when you pile on top of them, the gender identity issues that you're going to have a really complex system named, and then it's one of those ones we just [00:46:54] know whatever the sexual orientation of people in our community, those rights Extraordinary high exorbitant you know you know really worrying consuming and need attention and then we could drill down more below that but you know some of those particular things that are stress are ones that trans people will experience non binary people particularly those tried to access to you know, human Kir I go to you know, that is specific to not being able to get the health care that people are wanting. So, anyone else who had any questions [00:47:31] for the sake I didn't focus specifically on something that [00:47:33] is keepsakes not [00:47:39] would be something worth studying [00:47:40] because I'm pretty sure there's a large proportion of us p quite regularly unfortunately. [00:47:46] Yeah. And it's based around the theme having six while that whole particular cyber is quite different. Yeah. So I think we have got P is one of the as the people Julie Silva is there. This year [00:48:09] so and I guess the only thing I could say is that for any of the questions we can compare you know how people ask answer one question with how they answered another one so we could see it for people are more likely to answer their other but the numbers are relatively small so don't know how much we would be able to tell but that's the other thing we can do we can you know, compared to the slot small ways we can compare the data that we haven't done yet. Yeah. And and I guess it's just the final for outsiders. Really, we want you to use one or two used as an activist all we can use the data about legal gender recognition, just to show actually, heaps, heaps of people are non binary, we don't actually have that option at the moment. So no matter what you do, to change that current prices, it's not going to be good enough to run for a huge proportion of our of our community to identify as non binary. We can use it to show just how much people are needing to access general for being here. And that's not being provided in the local DHP we can [00:49:23] be analyzed in a way I'm wondering at this stage, it would be [00:49:32] really all the data that you've got to get the most out of it, but I'm also wondering how [00:49:43] to build [00:49:43] a strong [00:49:51] affinity [00:49:52] with the men other people like I he might have thoughts on this is too I think, you know, like it, just be We had our stories, you know, I know, you wish the change happened from sharing the personal stories. But you know, numbers does have impact as well. So this was about getting numbers. And then because we had an open boxes where people could share things, and some people won't hate. So they actually got stories there as well. I think we've got enough evidence now, I think it's HD about using it to bring about action. So even the bit about writing academic articles for this aspects about action because some health professionals, if we want to change the behaviors, we have to get things published in medical journals. But if we want excellent disability issues, for example, well, maybe the first priority is to get some of the resources available and accessible form that people in the community will use, you know, like, it's what either the action we change is needed, what is the most important thing but I personally, you know, because there's always lots of questions. The one you know, there's lots more we could ask. But there's enough you know, the such a long list of things we need to action really, I think we've got enough data. If you can find it in the report, you wonder if there's something just email us to tell us that so not, but I'm, I'm really keen to hear what's the activism repla working on and what sort of, [00:51:22] because we asked people that before what does he do you need for your activism. [00:51:25] That's why we had such a long survey. But now as in, you know, if you're working on something, you need a few statistics for a submission. You know, I should know this report quite well. Feel free to email me. Which pages do I find that on or these people in this room, you know, who are doing that already? I think Tina minorities could probably tell you what's on this page or that page? I don't know. What do you think? You know, we are we do you think we are at that balance of needing more data, more surveys and [00:51:57] action I [00:52:01] want to know it and [00:52:06] it has always been [00:52:14] like this [00:52:23] a huge process to be a social [00:52:27] housing survivor just [00:52:31] about what it's like [00:52:37] 25 [00:52:39] so much time and it sounds kind of [00:52:52] waste people's energy stories about [00:53:08] And also some of the research to be really ready to excellence like, you know, finding out whether the service that the groups that we're reading nowadays, are they meeting the needs of all of our communities or I was at a meeting on Friday morning, where someone was reporting the results of that I've collected around the experiences of rainbow [00:53:37] communities [00:53:39] suggestin aucklanders [00:53:40] all around the country Camille's research and tackle one lots of lots of material. I think it's mostly an Auckland. They stole the funding to be able to do the transcripts. [00:53:53] And [00:53:55] and some of the it's about, you know, people don't go and use some of the services we already have. So maybe that some of the stuff we do we have to improve what we've what we've already got in you know, so I think we've got the data I think we need to be a bit I'd love to find ways that we stay more coordinated with each other around the country like these opportunities. You finally got your What do they call your your your health pathway for Gina Freeman key is finally online here. And Wellington [00:54:31] said, was that true when [00:54:32] you put something on Facebook this way? [00:54:45] But you know, some of the best practice is, you know, when the canopy ones come up, which before the end of the year, they have done it in a way that you don't need to have been on hormones, two x's, she's reconstruction surgery, first one on the country that's going to be on there. And that's huge for non binary people. This, [00:55:07] you know, they did just [00:55:08] because they've got a pathway that says that we all know that sometimes those pathways lead to shut doors, or a door that's open for a little bit of time, and they may get shot because there's no surgeon anymore. So I think if we are more coordinated, and we can share what people have been able to achieve, and and each part of the country, then we can, you know, stand by each other. I'm just so proud of how we dealt with yesterday. You know, like, [00:55:36] it was, you know, and the fact [00:55:38] that you organize this, and you've had way more people through [00:55:42] here's a day you organize this given way more people here today that people have a diverse range of ages and ethnicities and genders, then who happen to go and listen to a very highly resourced meeting down the other end of town. Tonight [00:56:09] we coordinated they tried really hard to get a transperson on nation and we always see it now like their level of coordination amongst the community with some people could probably quite live to be on TV. We also see now we're doing really well I think on activism, and it's hard. So I don't know any other questions at the end of the day some of you have been here selling soaps or Zanes or parenting or whatever else, or dies, I don't want to keep people you know, I'd love us to be cool. You know, find ways to stay more coordinated and [00:56:50] find out how I love [00:56:51] each other we cry people tell us when even simple as tell us if you use the states and anything and presentations, maybe I'll see if we can put up on our website somewhere where people can afford the people can quickly seen and tell us that I've done that. [00:57:07] They are being used a lot around the country. [00:57:13] If you haven't already seen tentative Pacifica TV program, which did the Pacific awards was on TV this morning, it'll be online. At least two of the people who got awards were from the gender diverse communities, and everybody was clapping. So calculon intamin was one of the people who won awards and somebody for levar. And it was like, everybody was supportive, and there was sort of bits of their stories and like, the reach of that type of thing within the Pacific communities is way bigger than any of these negativities that we're getting. It's just like, you know, so I think, you know, the more stories that are positive than the bitterness or [00:57:54] everybody I think that also speaks to the Pacific activists. I know doing, you know, we see them in our community coming to Albion's, you know which of the events as well, but they're also doing so much within their own community around a language around [00:58:14] fundraising. [00:58:18] And I think, for some of, I don't know, just Yeah. [00:58:24] How do we create those style? Because we saw busy feeling the spices for our community stuff to happen, how do we create the spaces where those people who support us can be there with us that we're leaving that space, and that's what I think that says, this is a trend and non binary lead stays whatever word you used for the end. It's a space where allies can come into and I think we could do with a few. We don't really have that so much. in Oakland. You do some some things remarkably well. Here. [00:59:31] Thanks for coming I'm Alex. This is Molly and chase and we're on the gender minorities youth team. So hiring from the design community center has done a lot to support this event and physically happening and obviously I heard from gentlemen Archie's as well, so this is the first event that we've like ever put on like this is the first kind of like formation of gentlemen artists out there, our youth team as a sort of thing. And we've been really surprised to be honest, but very heartwarming to like the success of this event. The positive Reception we've had from both the trans community and allies that have kind of made it come together. So I just wanted to do a couple of thank yous. So firstly, Thank you, sir. Sorry, another another new town community and cultural center, that kind of hosting us and making giving us the opportunity to have this because yeah, we, as I say, like, most of us are just hiding in the little town had it done as much of the time. So it's nice to kind of like get out into the community. Thank you to all the stakeholders for giving their time to support this great event. Some of them aliens, I'm still here. Thank you, sir. I he and gentlemen out of Africa for giving us their support and encouragement to put something like this on I think it's kind of given us a space to kind of bring together as people and as friends like to say thank you to jack obviously, he just spoke and everyone at counting ourselves for doing such vital work for our community. And we're very honored to be able to give them the space to kind of like, promote that and discuss the implications for it and obviously engage with the community responses here today. And just a general thank you to Everyone that's attended with presently and earlier and supporting your trans youth has means so much to us it means as activists but also as just people as part of this community that you know, can feel quite neglected and marginalized knowing that there is such a positive reception to us and our work and our creations is really, really valuable. So yeah, thank you to everyone and hope you have a good evening.

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