Carmen Rupe memorial, Wellington

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[00:00:00] This podcast is brought to you by pride in z.com. In association with Scotty and mounds cocktail [00:00:05] and lounge bar, 176 qubit street Wellington, [00:00:17] good to see. And what a great [00:00:20] turnout is indeed, we're here tonight to pay a little bit of homage to a fantastic lady who was a major part in all of our lives. And I think we've all got stories that will be told here tonight, to our invited guests, the fabulous members of the band, Cindy white Brown, [00:00:39] the city manager for Wellington Central and I'm sure it's good to be a [00:00:53] member of parliament and foolish [00:01:01] when we say memorial service is by no means going to have a match or any religious content to bring it in yourself. Because we're not really quite sure. Well, that's the sort of girl Carmen was. [00:01:12] OK, but I [00:01:12] tell you what is a young man and I'll just get one of my little funny stories out the way nice and early. gets up to do some Speaking of which they will be having an open mic night. When I was 16 years of age, I left school at the age of 15. And I emerged out of home when I was 15. And I moved into Wellington and I met a fabulous bunch of people on the street and I discovered the Royal Oak. [00:01:42] Absolutely fantastic. My working by my working life began on the street as well. And of course in the old days when the district closed in those days it was TMP in closing, we'd have to go go so we all went to cams coffee lounge and it was truly fantastic was a place where we all felt safe and secure and common looked after us she took us all under her wing. And she would jack us up with the occasional clients [00:02:09] pay our rent. And I enjoyed many many times and some of the most fabulous whiskey coffees [00:02:18] sandwiches in town and some quite high flying clientele [00:02:23] later on, I mean a man gave all [00:02:25] that up and then karma discovered that after all these years there was a lot of gay boys going there and taking away a bit of the business from the girls. So she opened up shop she bought a little coffee bar wouldn't buy rid of old copy space which called triangles on the corner of major banks and just across the road from the embassy theater going on major bait strip. I think it's Hazel's restaurant or something now but that was the first I think that's probably my branch out and hospitality was working as a quarterback trying to remain the same famous sandwiches that Canada but I can tell you right now we're nowhere near as good that we've moved on. And all these years later I was I met I remember going to common sphere well ball at the majestic center. And I was rivaling you know, you know you have an icon when you're growing up and you got people that may have big impact on your life. And I still had the invitation but I couldn't find it. But I did have dominion pose from 31 years ago. And I just want to read a little bit of this because I think it's really quite amazing. Because some of you people in the room and I just want to tell you how the dependent post describes your [00:03:40] some more colorful figures gathered last night. [00:03:44] The most famous drag queen of the more [00:03:46] common more than 250 show people. [00:03:50] A lot of society friends live [00:03:53] at a dinner dance which costs thousands of dollars 50 people [00:03:59] HTC the tickets had to be turned away. The keys to Bala replacement in the black supply in the description itself. A very expensive black evening gown was started beta drinking very expensive jewelry. For the hip hop Museum, she arrived in a chauffeur driven limousine. The party dubbed a salute to Carmen here with the transit slides departure later that week, and going to Australia first for a minor operation the usual thing just a little patch up Cassie last night. And it's often lights of London for years working holiday seeking a singing career and cabaret. I think I will do well. Some people like that in London, I class myself as a colored person later. And Wellington common is known as a copy Barbara Barbara is a one time mayoral candidate but look as a cabaret singer of the campaign succeeds two shifts in white succeeds out sorry, 60s, common hopes to try some exotic belly dancing with snakes. And then also visit Amsterdam with a second. [00:05:07] Well, we want to make it past. I mean, I say [00:05:13] that I say that lightly. But [00:05:18] enough about me It's great to see you all here. And I would really like to invite some fantastic guest speakers up now just to say a few words. And then later on after this, we are going to be having a bit of an open mic night with friends far now you can get up and say and read and reminisce with your stories of magic moments that can be created in your life because I know that she created 1000 moments for me and I'll never forget them. And I think we have truly lost a top icon. That right now [00:05:59] cuna Here comes with capital. Thanks, Mel and I'm thank you so much for putting on this event. I think everybody when they heard of Commons passing in December was hoping that there'll be some occasion and willing to that we could come together and have a chat about here. And there's no way more appropriate than incentives with the light flow. I don't I didn't know Cameron terribly well. And I think I'm not gonna speak very long particularly with Georgie here to be able to, to give some memories that she came but I wanted to just say a few words in a sense on a on a political front about Cameron because she was a very political person in all senses of that word. And there's actually a political story from the many years that possibly people don't know a lot about. Most of you will know that Cameron was was was born as trigger through pain. And another person who was living in Terminal he was a man named Colin Maillard. And he was a businessman in the town of town and knew it. And he knew and in fact, he taught in the school for a little while he and clearly was retaken with trigger replay because he named his firstborn. That isn't [00:07:18] true story because many years later, walking down [00:07:22] the street with a group of businessmen friends and Wellington and common through open the door of the coffee they actually chatted colon colon and she was in it for me days to explain to his business colleagues. Really it was from [00:07:42] Camden obviously, everybody knows in a political sense was [00:07:46] it and i i toyed with his slogan getting behind. [00:07:53] It probably wasn't what I was needing. [00:07:56] A campaign obviously, thrust coming even more into the spotlight, Georgina and I were just discussing it was as much as anything about getting more publicity for here in the beaches that she was part of. in Wellington. Another political thing that she did was that she was actually called before Parliament privileges committee. And now that I met him how that I realize just what that means the privileges committee almost never mates, it's very hard to actually give it to make the last person who have dominated it was Winston Peters. So up on that level for gamma, which was broadly because allegedly, allegedly, she had actually said that some people's apartment might have actually been gay or it's been absolutely shocking thought at the time. And it was Robert Muldoon because to be cool to the privileges Committee, which is ridiculous, that hypocritical little man because he was the one who founded Conan Doyle, out of Parliament by making all kinds of innuendos about Academy to the privileges committee, stood up to them and then posed for a remarkable photo out on the stoop to Parliament, which is one of the great memories of power. We showed her on camera around Parliament a couple of times when she came back to New Zealand, most recently to the Rainbow Room empowerment. And she was very taken. I think there was a picture of her in the Rainbow [00:09:10] Room. [00:09:12] So she had finally made it inside the walls of Parliament as well. But overall, I mean, the main thing I think of Canada's of somebody who broke ground, and there always has to be someone who's food, someone who's prepared to put the hand up and stand up for who they are. When Cameron came back here from Australia, opened the coffee lounge open the balcony, opened many other places as Mel's already seen, along with people like I'm Jackie ground and Chrissy we thought it was it was an incredibly vibrant time in the city. It's what opened up the tolerance and diversity not only for the trans community, I think, but also more broadly for for the gay and lesbian and bisexual community of Wellington. And I think that's the tribute to Cameron, that she was the person who went to prison, visit her head to constantly battle discrimination throughout life. But neither ever took a single step backwards. Even when she was on the mobility scooter, she never took a single step backwards in later years. And that's the kind of spirit that she brought to the city. She's someone that I think we can all look at, and the Wrangler communities and Wellington and say, that's the person who lead the way, lead the charge, and make and help make Wellington the great city than it is today. So those are some of my thoughts about Camden. And so I think we should remember the day is that kind of person. And I just really want to finish by saying Howdy, howdy, howdy. [00:10:39] Okay, now much [00:10:57] grant you [00:10:59] even reading material just [00:11:01] getting it out? Look, yeah, we're here to have a celebration. Rather than being incredibly mournful. When car passed last December, probably wouldn't have been entirely unexpected, that if she was going to go, it's about this time of her life and what a fabulous, fantastic, interesting life she made that have a social change elements to it, but I don't think she ever understood how important the further she was a net herself such as her humbleness, gracious, hospitable, [00:11:39] a warmth about her that endeared people to her on whatever [00:11:45] ilk of life they came from. She hopes fan borax if you like at the establishment and many wise an order that she can be who she was, and be having to live her own skin. A little bit risque, but nothing, you know, takes two to tango and I and not all of those people out there was sort of a social deviance in some ways I was sort of your husbands and your wives and she knew that it empowerment me that and speaks you know with an option you that rich, her brushes with the law legendary. Some lawyers may have a name for themselves sometimes get the truth newspaper, I've been taking over as a financially viable entity for quite some time with a number of if not front page and Sydney page three shot Who else could go to the races and stand next to the government general and drop a top so that [00:12:47] could be shared by the nation. [00:12:53] Big baby. [00:12:56] She had a business it was a unique business. She had a niche within that niche that encompass to love of entertainment, her love of her Chicago life and we see some of it here behind the scenes that's common. I came to know her in the late 1970s about 1976 and I fled with Melanie very flat he was talking about long about other flatmate real sweet transvestite hit the balcony and it's dying years I suppose at that time they had groups like or after based and read mall and people like that we're doing good said to the end of the names of character winter queens, okay, Vicki crystal, a whole sort of range of girls show girls quality girls come on and he wanted to cause he was car always came out for the poses in [00:13:48] that photograph. [00:13:50] It's pretty well, I couldn't possibly do justice to all the people that have passed through and been touched by Carmen and her establishment that's been mentioned the safety and some space but she provided for the fringes of society, the margins that lived in and around the Wellington as it happened to be here. History doesn't just exist here and Wellington was a huge Kapow for us here and to a rather colorful but he medium Cuba street represents pretty damn well and carries on that sort of nature of Wellington. And that existed. You know, there's all sorts of little clubs and cafes and things that started in that era of a very conservative New Zealand. So for someone like Cameron to come out and find a gimmick as what she caught on to a fantastical a came with her persona persona of common but three words and a couple of hit pieces, jewelry and everything dropping over here. That deep plunging cleavage has been called Lucas gowns that she would wear or someone or something from I've been sitting here just a little she could wear demonstrate. She would leave she will leave her apartment or her fled down there Vivian straight he watches by sometime and white was almost like a white to see this fabulous galleons sailing down here straight Huber morning Countdown to everybody that came by acknowledging Hello a warm Hello everyone. And just to that every retail shop owner along this particular stretch would have known when Cameron was out tour buses used to pass by [00:15:38] the hot boys and the boys [00:15:43] denies out [00:15:45] to me like this [00:15:48] shouldn't happen but [00:15:49] do the path for from the bus drive up Cuba straight down Whitefield power and all the other parts that were up this way until I hit the red light area that that's 10 late lazing over there another corner down the road that beautiful and I'm still trying to paint a picture here of some of the car that we no longer have. The last vestige that I see is that neon sign strip a sign still hanging on the corner of the building over the road is something that we can look at going area and that used to flick on and off cannon provided for me at least as a new young queen of 1976 social so not only my opening up but it was such people that [00:16:36] pursue the [00:16:39] dream about being a woman and wanting to be a girl when I went to the balcony with Ray on who was doing the to sweet transvestite and compound you know these beautiful, fabulous [00:16:52] deep voices [00:17:01] Yes, let's not forget those who exploited Cameron's good nature sometimes. And you know those people can feel a little bit about what they might have done in those days. However, you know, because I think if you'd only asked she would have helped in some way or another word for it. Speaking of some of those characters that were even down at the old coffee lounge Do you remember exotic memory it's that very colorful facade. I don't know what painter did it but just perfect and soccer. The common wanted the Chinese lanterns read an orange with the big tassels coming down Madame Carly paintings on the wall and all of that kind of thing. All of us have velvet. What is velvet paintings, all of that kind of stuff. She had big tapestries, wall tapestry would hang up on the wilderness poky little coffee lamps that she had, and the little sort of kitchen out the bag, which only hit the toilet out the bed. My particular backdoor said everyone need to file through the kitchen. Good outfit. And who wasn't that stupid, or Audrey Hepburn dress, red wig, high heels, gloves up to here with plastic washing dishwasher. [00:18:17] Pour out Lola aka back in town. [00:18:23] A little frustrated with the customer up front or some drunken drag queen or whatever, you know, she never really drank. She never took drugs. She never smoked a cigarette. And yet she liked to offer hospitality especially for those who when she didn't deal with the high eyebrows and the low brows and her times our members. And it was nothing to watch Carmen come bursting out the front just to walk up and down the front coffee lounge or when she later moved to where the Evergreen became the Evergreen wish it was there briefly. After the original coffeehouse next to the south. encountered at five o'clock on Sunday morning, as the Salvation Army personnel preparing for the day is worship, the creatures that will come out of that establishment down they become a head of steam upstairs, she gave me my first client, I've always wondered how come could walk in the front door of the place and then disappear when there was no blade back toward until she offered me my first client. That's just not me, I made a pill. And she sent him out to the front door and down the alleyway outside the old coffee lounge to the external daughter upstairs apartment and pull back a tapestry inside for me to open so that I could make some little internal door that went upstairs with Rhonda and one of her on social rooms that she had up there. She was apparently was famous and had enough coffee in her apartment. And she was into the occult certain period of time. But I could go on and on. I don't know if I touched on about some of those things. But I guess I'll just conclude by saying she was a force a tour de force, frankly, that existed here as a business person and not only had a coffee lounge, strip club, tea rooms, brothels maximum, I don't know if people understand about [00:20:26] those days. [00:20:28] And, [00:20:30] and she touched many people, I think [00:20:33] that you took a moment on her running for the Wellington miracle tea. But what's truly, she was a self promotion, [00:20:41] entrepreneur. And even though she couldn't have had a clue how to run a city [00:20:55] to head the gowns to make [00:21:01] quite heavily but actually running [00:21:05] the ball here, Bob Jones, it was [00:21:11] a wonderful, well, you know, we might give a little bit a bit now was brave, sort of courageous, and push some buttons for people who probably never thought that no such thing what happened. So I'm pleased to be the next generation after her who has benefited from the legacy of what she's done under one minute. But politically, to actually she sort of put the hairline fracture on the pink ceiling, and then I'm going to hit on smash that. And, and and got it. And it was a, you know, proud to be able to say we delivered to prostitution reform that you talk about the 1970s not simply because you've been come to pass, you had vision and some senses. As far as homosexual law reform was concerned. He's, I mean, you know, it came to pass. And if it wasn't for figures like her at that time, who are visible out there, being who she wasn't having to live in his skin, to then pass that on to all of us in the diversity of the rainbow community as an inspiration for us to sort of go well, you know, we love to and New Zealand love to And as it turned out, so does Australia and [00:22:33] Potomac, the federal state, sorry, makes her [00:22:37] life live over here [00:22:38] with us and so much of an important part of your life was spent here. I often wonder if she would actually like to come home toward the end of her life more permanently, but there wasn't a lot of security offering for her here. So we need to think about things like that. For some of our you know, those of us will not [00:23:02] get into the [00:23:03] age where there's a generation passing on, which means an end of an era I believe that pepper need to go over to Sydney and pick up the room. So Riley st flaked, and just transport us as it as the memorabilia for those of you who haven't had the opportunity to be able to the memorabilia she has. There's a snapshot of an incredible piece of social history in New Zealand. She has iconic on that regard, highly respected by many people, yes, sideways glance dead, but never shied away from. I mean to bridge that gap for us from one person was quite remarkable. And not just for transgender. I don't think that word was invented in her day. You notice that talked about an article drag queens and female personalizes. And that's how I was sort of coming. She was a lot more than that. And what a wonderful persona. Just pattern shock to the politicians. [00:24:10] Nice statue to blanket man. Yes, the common [00:24:27] Are you in the house? [00:24:38] And I'm sure he's going to remind us about his time ago. [00:24:43] Nice to see you again. [00:24:49] Thanks very much for the introduction. Some of you may recall, if you read Cameron's visit a few years ago, myself and my sergeants my presentation, I'd love to know what happened to the purple reposes in the flattened Kings Cross. But look, I just want to say a couple of words about Carmen. And I'm here from a different perspective, of course than any of you because I in the 60s and 70s. I was a detective on the vice squad. And it's significant to note that in those days, they were vice spots in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Dineen at times have changed. And now, there is not one Vice Squad in one city or town anywhere in New Zealand. And I think one of the reasons for that is because of the changes in the law relating divisive morality. And one of the reasons they've been those challenges, as Georgina pointed here, is because of people camp, and without wishing to Sam flippin common was one of those people who genuinely had the courage of their convictions. And the very, very few people of hitting you can say that. What I do want to say about common is that in all my dealings with him, and my Sergeant Paul, for terrorists who went on to lead the committee to oversee the introduction of prostitution, horrible. We both said, and I said it at the time this day, if everybody we dealt with on the vice squad was is pleasant to deal with as common always was the now job and the job and the people we are dealing with would have been a lot lot better. I noticed young Tom in the audience here. Mr. Stacy son, and whenever we needed to talk to Kevin and she wanted legal was vice, it was a quick call to Royce AC, and he came here, and we would sit around Sofia, whatever that particular matter was, that Cameron was genuinely a nice person to deal with. Despite the fact that she and I shared the same first name, which lead to some hilarity. And of course, I just quickly relate this story wasn't very long after I'd been transferred onto the vice squad that of course, Cameron's friends and associates got to know that this new detective was detective Trevor Morley. So it didn't take long for me to walk into the coffee bar on Vivian Street. And through the noise and the smoke and the haze, you would hear perhaps a slightly high pitched voice calling up true. And common Of course, with turn around to find out it was using her real name because that was something you didn't do. I always called it again, she called me to take the Molly and the first names will never be us. And to use your name in that situation was terrible. And then through the haze you would hear true and intimate, common, angrier until she finally worked out with the corporate lights, wonderful friends or associates, of course. So she would front up to them in a way that became under the nose and accused them of using her name, which you never did. And didn't sort of mock celebrity they would say, [00:28:23] No, no doubt, no, I was [00:28:25] merely calling out to detective morning [00:28:31] I became the excuse the phrase the bathtub, some joke. [00:28:39] Common did in fact that the character Vic and actions, she was a lovely person to deal with. I do believe that because of what she did, what she stood for and what she was prepared to do, that the word changes to the vice squad go to the vice laws. And the adults now came his PhD, I said, Get the state out of the bedrooms of the nation because there is no place there. And I think he was very forward thinking like Cameron was very forward thinking. And, you know, I'm just pleased to have been able to come along tonight and just explain to you from my perspective, which might sound a bit unusual, being a former police officer who arrested her several times, decide she was a great position to deal with Wellington is a is is the loser for her going, because she will not the likes of her will not walk the streets again. And Wellington is a sad place for it. And I just want to let you know that even someone with my background can appreciate a person such as Carmen when you have to deal with it. And just thanks very much for the opportunity. [00:29:56] Lead us gentlemen, please welcome to the White bread. [00:30:08] It's good to be here to celebrate life. At the end of a very colorful life, a life that was spent thoroughly enjoying herself as many other people to as well as doing good work for other people are the way that she supported people the way that she drove the way forward so that today you can be any gender any combination. But of course you can't smoke in the balance. Isn't it interesting the changes that we've seen over that time, I came to Wellington in 1983. And I was really quite surprised at how narrow the views of some of Wellington society were at those times [00:30:55] that [00:30:56] I'm really proud to be the mayor of a diverse city of a city actually value diversity doesn't just tolerate diversity, but it thinks it's a really good thing, whether that's culturally and for personal expression, or everything in the economic world whether there is so much gain, tourism, tourism, transgender tourism, and author creativity. I mean, what more creative on average group of people. It's been interesting, and I'm sure here when I listen to other people's stories, learning a little bit more about common. I met Carmen at her birthday party and Courtney place and it was wonderful to meet somebody who wanted to be mayor and was actually so warm and so well loved. And I just hope I'm not quite the standout nonconformist, but I like to be able not to conform, if only in some of the transport ways of this city. And I think she again, set a path for people to be valued, who they are, who they want to be, not just for fitting in. So Hari Hari, hi, Ra, Carmen, thank you. [00:32:21] Now he's not here [00:32:22] sort of shy messed up he look upstairs to he's not there. And we had the privilege of back in [00:32:29] 1996 after Carmen 70th birthday down at the at the boat ship. And it was truly fantastic night and we are getting Ricky early the fortunes not being able to make about locksmith. And but we got a simple rookie. You know, Carmen is such a strong character. And I've never seen a guy I want to make. And he said how to do that. And I said, I want you to get up and the same 1 million and has been kicked off the show. Ricky walked on stage spoke very briefly Molly to Carmen. And we had said to her Cameron, Cameron was under the belief that she was coming back from Australia for to celebrate your birthday. But what she didn't know was that she was going to be her birthday and a celebrity roast, where we got people like Trevor Molly and lots of other people that have been through in our life and, and could relate stories about in front of you. And it was truly a fantastic night. And so I want to make partners in crime. And we got Ricky to get up and see me said common is 1000 people in this room. Absolutely love you and adore you. And this is what they feel about you. And Ricky got some [00:33:39] beautiful song. [00:33:41] And I tell you what today is [00:33:49] okay, we haven't got Ricky here. So now we've got a chance. No, it's you're gonna get one more speaker. I didn't have the privilege entered. Molly was just sang with Stacy. I had the privilege of meeting Roy. On a couple occasion. We've got my son Tommy and he's got a restaurant down the street. And Tom's got a couple of little stories that I'd like to share with you. So Tom, if you can pop down here and just let a few words about Roy. [00:34:11] Actually. [00:34:18] Well, thank you. [00:34:22] Yeah, those of you who don't know me, Tom, Tom stage is my name. I am the son of Roy Stacy, who was cameras lawyer from longer before if I knew that she was coming. [00:34:38] I tell you a story tonight. That is that probably not a lot of [00:34:43] people know. [00:34:45] A woman by the name of Connie Shira features very very briefly in Cameron's book. Connie Cheryl was the dietitian of running the hospital. [00:34:55] And God younger 17 year old boy from King County, waking in the kitchen said [00:35:03] and I should also mention that Connie was living companion and a lover of my father [00:35:12] in the sight of my mind, because she said she she was an influential person in my life. But [00:35:20] Connie came home one night and said to see the ROI [00:35:25] as a young fi is just getting a bit of harassment, probably from the place. But [00:35:33] and I'll come to you later trip. [00:35:38] Roy Roy was a extraordinary sort of liberals or a guy is it was time. And so he said to Connie. [00:35:50] And said rumor you know, I'll have a chance to make sure make sure is okay. And so nice later Connie turned up with us very feminine 17 year old lead from kick out tree [00:36:08] obviously gay [00:36:10] but without without as a slightly to break. [00:36:17] And enjoy just ROI in ages. [00:36:21] I just wrote ROI identified with the right of everybody to [00:36:28] practice whatever they want to do, providing no one else gets it. And so that was the beginning of religion and I obviously a small personal lead. [00:36:43] And, and it [00:36:48] wasn't, it didn't it didn't. It hasn't. [00:36:56] But that wasn't that was the start of a relationship. [00:37:00] Win right through because [00:37:02] Stacy's for the gift soon as they were in those days, least [00:37:07] at least for coffee, but [00:37:11] Roy appeared for Cameron in a couple of trials, the character went to trial. with Trevor, I'll talk to you about a minute. [00:37:20] And also before the parliament [00:37:24] which he said that one fight in peace was a decision. And she got it wrong. Anyway, [00:37:39] two points I want to make. Is it is it we have some in common. But I don't think the evening is appropriate. without mentioning, and I'm obviously biased. But I I think my father needs to mention [00:37:55] to appear for someone like common [00:37:59] with stigmas and everything that existed in the late 60s and early 70s. In this in this society, you know, took an enormous amount of courage. And people are the lowest society. And I don't think there's any doubt amongst people who know that Roy was probably the best criminal defense barrister this country's ever seen. And he never became a QC. And he never became anything else. Purely I think, because he did things like stick up for Calvin and other but he was just he was just us. It was time. I mean to to diffuse from Cameron tonight in talking about him, but he is part of the picture. Yes. Right. And so [00:38:51] the other thing I would say about about Cameron is [00:38:57] in those early 70s he couldn't recover from was just amazing. It was it was a little bit like server server liquor sauce. [00:39:06] Because [00:39:08] it was a huge wouldn't buy. [00:39:13] And and yet, and and you going and you might you might find a whole lot of people in jeans. And you know, [00:39:21] or you might find a whole lot of people in black tie having on the way home for all because it was the only decent ice coffee, you know, and it's a nice, nice department neither night [00:39:33] trip, but just if you saw him. [00:39:40] I just want I just want to clarify one thing, and it is something that's never been recorded to [00:39:51] the famous draw, which was a groundbreaking trial and the calendar winter common. You remember that? Yeah, come on speaking to them. [00:40:03] But the classic was was what [00:40:06] was the crown, and it was a mark of respect to Carmen and Carol the window. [00:40:14] And also I think, Trevor, and you may very well want to cover this later on. might have been respect to Roy as well. But the crown took $1 each way. They in those days, was charged with so and I don't know whether it was soliciting a male servicing with the intention of doing an indecent act upon another mile, or a woman SolarCity. And so I took I joined charge, right? The the conviction that was handed down was to Karen wonder, was a woman and was probably Roy's greatest trial. And he did many it was it was probably probably one of his greatest but alright, if everyone will get the gist of it right? Oh, here we go. [00:41:08] I just like to clarify what what Tom's been saying. Because it's actually a very, very fascinating and interesting legal point. And if you go back in time, at the time, this case with Carmen and Carol, the winter came to trial in the Supreme Court, as it was being called a male could not be in law, a prostitute, only a female could be a prostitute. So when we arrested Carmen and Carol the winter, and charged common with the offensive brothel keeping, and Carol was a party to that offense. We initially Of course, thought that Carol was a lady. Then as the investigation progressed, we discovered that she had been born a man which immediately threw if you will a spanner in the works. [00:42:11] So one of the first things we had to do was to determine Carol's sexual ID, DNA and that sort of thing. And one of the first things you do from a legal point of view to prove someone seeks is you call the birth mother to give evidence that yes, that's my child and, and the child that was born was a male or female. So I spoke to Carol about that aspect of her life. And she said, Well, I don't know who my mother was, because I was adopted, which through a nother Spanner. So we eventually tries to who birth mother. And then we had to call a complicated lot of evidence about what in those days was the difference between a male and a female. And it wasn't just your jeans, it was to do with things like that. The width of your shoulders compete, the events, the shaping of yubikey are those sorts of things. But the the interesting fact of the case was that the jury found both Cameron and Carol guilty. So what that interface said, was that he is a man under New Zealand law can in fact, be a prostitute. And I think that was another little piece of the jigsaw, another step up the ladder that said, these laws have got to be changed. So in a somewhat perverse way, that conviction help to create a situation where the politicians eventually see it in the wider public opinion. See, let us change these laws. Let's do what Pierre Trudeau the think he was the in the Prime Minister of Canada, and get the state of the dreams of the nation. And if nothing else, both Cameron and Carol should be congratulated for, as I said before the courage of their convictions [00:43:55] that there was trouble. [00:44:02] I think, and I've seen [00:44:06] the messages across [00:44:08] Cameron was was an icon to this to the city. [00:44:13] Her lights will not be seen again. And this Georgie does the same thing. The [00:44:21] point I really want to make is that is that [00:44:27] in losing the likes of Carmen losing lots of Roy Stacy, teen years ago, losing the likes of various colorful, big, you know, the city loses a little bit of fabric. And it is up to us to remain to keep it fair. And the only thing I would say in passing in, in the one as I mentioned right at the start of libraries is very very dear to me. She wasn't my mother. She was just a person who had an immense, immense influence on me. Connie Sierra, you know, without Connie Shira Cameron might conceivably could not have existed. So when you're having a drink later on? Yeah, grab it. And think, Commissioner. [00:45:16] District. All right. Very much. Ladies, Gentlemen, [00:45:48] friends and fine, I would like you to invite would like you to invite you now tell the story that you remember karma got lots of hands offerings down tomorrow, yourself up there and some beautiful friends of Commons here. Please take the time and Parvati, he has stories with us. And please just introduce yourself when you do do this and everybody else in the room who may not know you doesn't know anyone. So please, open mic, please going to join us on the floor. [00:46:33] This is a celebration of calm. [00:46:38] To 22. [00:46:41] When she was like this, she was so beautiful. I was working at Lego Lego set. With Calvin came up for an audition. They've never learned a work covered everything. [00:46:58] You're looking back at 50 years. [00:47:01] And after that, they are the memories. And I've had she's been such a good friend. We've been friends for all these years. I'm 7070 years old Carter was 20 years younger than I am. But she played we came to Wellington, aka have my eldest son was born in Sydney. And I decided to come home come back to manager and I came to Wellington around 60 something 6465 and I opened up a brand new afterparty that was famous for Sin City, which which is the perfect idea cheers to you. I hope you're looking down. And we've never sort of we've always been friends of all these fields. She used to come down to the first off with the new shoes be help. But we used to you started off the con having an old band with you which was a burlesque show with all the drag queens [00:47:59] and people radical things like of my walls outside of the funny little place [00:48:07] I'm sure everyone here has heard around my age they've all been to and they've come come they all wanted a big made up some big district companies as well as graduates painting with vinyl is from the purple it so I was facing away with with common first came over here. She didn't have those concept those days didn't have anything. But she was working through my coffees over them they talk all the time. She was she was such a wonderful person candidate is she was she was just a friend You don't have to be any competition between me and Carmen and no things for the club. Exotica was the first one that opened in Wellington in those days. And, and all this time to where she was to get back to city and all that she had so much, so much so many people to talk stories about common that common with this bag, but they all know common and respected her. Because she was the first one that sort of stand out and come out as as the Queen as a transvestite. It was very well known and well not swear or anything like that she was such a lady, in so many ways, makes me proud of her to be to be just as a friend. But anyway, that's why we're here to talk about. But I'm so glad that you asked me to come Thank you very much. Just to say something about her because I remember her when she was young, I left the country when I went to America when in 78. And I was there for 30 ideas, most of the young queens that around now and all the transmitters that in those days, there were only little kids in those days before I left. And I didn't have much to do with it because I left the club with the data. And, and my son, my oldest son mark, and they were reading it. And when I left I took my two younger kids and went to the state. But I've always come back to Sydney. And I always have to call to have a cup of tea with her and talk of all these years and all I could believe it. There's so many people that just respected her because she's she's been that kind of person who says funny. And she's just a great person. She said, everybody laughed at this so it's all about grades and all the sex changes one to two of the day my daughter because she stand up for what she believes and she's always been like that right from the beginning. And I lost it to can really do and I'm so pleased that they got somebody friends that Remember to fall back to her. And I love you and I remember you have all is this is to laugh makes me laugh because I travel to work like so always have a list, just like a list of everybody that we know. But she has a list kind of everyone is done. [00:51:07] drop off. [00:51:16] Everybody down. [00:51:19] You can find it at her place in Sydney. In case class. It was just a small place I think not that didn't have this business. But she has all the pictures that she had a bind that is so clear of everything else that goes on. She's never had any bad will be done by so many people with her life here as well both. She was going to be the mayor of Wellington. She was the first one she was famous she will actually stick out for people she sticks out for the market will be shot. I'm politician to agree that I sort of sticking up with this you know, as far as that's concerned. But I know that everybody in the room [00:52:03] Thank you. [00:52:20] But I will now because the story [00:52:23] goes back to [00:52:26] Victoria University in a group of young law students celebrating after the last exam. [00:52:39] And we became over refresh [00:52:46] glass ashtray was that one of the dancers. Anyway, the police were summons and we all ended up down in the police station. Welcome to this very intelligent and one of the law students was employed by Mike bank, I was employed by john Tannahill. And we will lock up [00:53:16] the charges being indecent, [00:53:19] rather violent behavior, threatening [00:53:24] disorderly behavior certainly. [00:53:28] So when when we went into the cells [00:53:34] as the police a process [00:53:38] and we were rubbing out our fingerprints, and aware that they were watching us doing that. We also didn't know that my gay and lesbian called down by the police to watch ended up in court and serious business for us big we were young law student face of these pretty awful charges and 70 students came down to watch, they shifted the whole proceedings and the arbitration court which used to be just behind what was then the Supreme Court. And now ironically, is once again there's a painful [00:54:18] anyway. There we were. [00:54:21] And we were triumphantly acquitted for one reason, one reason being that Percy Daniels [00:54:29] the complainant [00:54:33] did not realize that I was employed by his lawyer john No, did he realize that my film was employed by my phone? Anyway, it was all sorted out as a sort of reasonable way but it was reported in the truth and I was terrified [00:54:59] but it's simply nobody would ever read the truth [00:55:03] but to law students acquitted names oppressed bad behavior strip club [00:55:13] now [00:55:15] Well, that's leaving me too is that as a young boys of them [00:55:26] I met [00:55:28] and, and [00:55:31] she had this ability to comprehend everything and anyway [00:55:40] I haven't seen Oh, yes. [00:55:44] Subsequently, but she has a house up in the street and [00:55:51] I was trying to [00:55:54] identify what happened to the glass ashtray allegation [00:56:00] I have [00:56:00] set for him. [00:56:03] And I haven't seen him. But [00:56:10] the [00:56:12] upshot of the whole thing was that we all might come in as young students in those days and she was an extraordinary person. intimidating as a straight fellow. [00:56:28] overpowering us. And drag queen, little bit unusual and [00:56:34] fast forward. [00:56:37] Maybe dead and I was walking up Williams street in Sydney. Staying at the cross, and I was aiming for my hotel. And I had this unmistakable voice [00:56:50] after 2014 [00:56:53] been doing [00:56:57] want to have some fun. You got it was like [00:57:18] another level. Okay. [00:57:55] Canon, beautiful. [00:57:58] Not a good Hi, lady. But even me, I used to go and see her in Sydney, you know, and she was on a pension and I never had man. [00:58:11] But she always found $20 she would always be time over $20 into my pocket, say, you know, go buy you a cup of coffee in the same way. I know. People don't know of her generosity and love that she gave you know, she gave so much love. And when anybody came into town, Carmen always made sure that she was there to help them and make sure that they were looked at as the rain cam and she'd say on me g7 turn will go phalanges will make you pay. [00:58:47] I think that people forget about [00:58:48] that kind of thing how [00:58:52] she gave all of us girls have a chance to jobs and use a strategy got ripped off, you know, by. [00:59:01] But she knew that. I mean, she said to show me honestly you wouldn't have my money will be going [00:59:17] for this exchange deal. [00:59:21] She wasn't stupid, but she still didn't care. She loved our community, our people, and she knew what our people were like she grew up and ended up I saw when I was 14 1314. I'd rather my 18 to be me and was a door I come from Oakland originally. And was a Dora and she walked in and this beautiful being walked in a chance the amateur figure that figure he was absolutely stunning and a young guys, and lovely long black hair of her face and just hanging down. And I was so intrigued by I ran up to the counter, you know, I hadn't sprung up the and I ran up here by McAfee. And when she left I said oh, new visa is it? Is it a Is it a is it headed you know I said I don't know it was just something about her and she went I followed it up a Queen Street where she was working for right and it was just the early days of strip clubs. And she'd come back from Sydney to work in the strip club for right and hasty as a favor and I spotted her all the way there. And I was standing at the door all the time looking every time the door I look to see if she was on stage. And she clicked after a while but I was there. And she said to the guy on the door just laser in me to come in and sit at the bathroom. She's not gonna do any, she just wants to watch. And so they used to let me go in and watch the shows and I got into watch shows but nothing. And then she went back to Australia and I came to Wellington. But I just wanted to finish with saying that [01:00:54] don't forget [01:00:56] that common was a beautiful, loving giving this and that's about all things and always a lady you can if you know I tell you a funny story maybe your parents way or or [01:01:12] raise your voice or [01:01:13] say 30 things you never do the job but she had a wonderful dry winter it took her out for lunch at Fox city. Films up and up in Sydney when I was living in Australia. And we're sitting there and we had this young nephew and my friend Natalie's with me very young and we're talking about she was talking about being in prison and what and the boys [01:01:38] put the earliest through the people [01:01:40] when I was in jail and I wake up with my with my knife and she said oh I used to say oh I wouldn't care disgusting and we're all taking a sip of coffee wait and there was this long go [01:02:16] this gentleman I met elevation [01:02:21] now all the way from Sydney for [01:02:23] this fabulous little gather we've got tonight. You know could you pop down inside us please right? And I feel very privileged but I gotta say this I've just been given a [01:02:32] having.com and 72 cJ of his 75th birthday Patricia Hello everybody [01:02:46] and we weren't given a speech prepared or anything like that. But because we weren't 100% sure whether we would be coming but my name is yoga Hoffman and this is rubbing my partner 30 plus G's and wrong area and listen to see and we so kind of comments life at the later stage it's been 11 years we knew common philosophy 11 years of your life and we have a great time with Carmen and what they have just stayed in relation to common never have never say a bad word never having to say anything negative about anyone there was just common as you will know. And Ron will share a story with you a little bit later on that particular point. But come never saw your right Shannon have anything to say and you never cried. Once. Put your hands up if you ever if you ever saw common cry. Okay, 123 hands up here. All right. But in the 11 years that we knew common. We only ever saw her cry once. And that was when her sister walked in the room from tomorrow Louis DC. Jesse walked in the room when she was in the hospital rumbled arena. She saw keys [01:03:54] that that was the first time and only time [01:03:57] she was very proud when [01:03:59] and and we love the daily and a lady a lady at all times. Okay, she never she never complained. She did not complain. Okay. She loved attention. Okay, you foster the comments. You really want to really love that. Right? Right to the last day in fact, and so Robin Robin was coming Commons mine Kara for the last 12 months. And there were four guardians that were appointed. Robin was one of those comments and financial manager Guardian as well. So we did that. And it was a great, great journey that we went on. And for me, it all sort of happened. It all came to an end far too quickly. too quickly. Because we were in Perth there for a few days, we came back and we went up to see Carmen in the nursing home and she was in a beautiful nursing, the best nursing home I've ever been into. I want to put myself into that nursing home. Okay, in about 25 years time. It was actually that good. Alright, so we got some great some great photos of common in that in that place. The issue was common at looking a little bit unwell. And, and I said to common What do we need to do common? Common says to me, keep me alive. Those were last words to me keep me alive. And it was only this morning when it dawned on me what she I think what she was actually saying to me keep memory alive. Okay, that's, I guess what we're here for tonight. And that's what we really trying to do. So friend of ours Kelly back in Sydney and Robin and my and myself and Chanel. Nice. I'm in Brisbane, we actually you may have heard about it but putting together this common rupee Memorial Trust with that one view in mind to further her legacy and all those wonderful things that she stood for. Okay, so that's what we're hoping to do in that way comments and memory will leave on and on and on. Thanks very much later. [01:06:19] never actually income. This is the first time I've actually spoken about a house. [01:06:26] I'd say [01:06:28] two months [01:06:30] of my apartment, Carmen. So I'm going to keep it very brief. [01:06:35] All I can say to the lovely people hear [01:06:37] that [01:06:40] term and had a very peaceful passing. [01:06:44] It was absolutely beautiful. I was literally with her [01:06:48] from her last hour. [01:06:50] And if I can say you will be [01:06:53] pleased [01:06:54] that her passing was absolutely [01:06:57] beautiful. very peaceful. [01:07:01] Thank you very much for being here. Thank you. Thank you [01:07:19] Okay, it's anybody else [01:07:20] said it would like to serve your wisdom [01:07:23] everybody's okay. [01:07:26] Okay, fantastic. All right, then I think we're going to be looking at the unfolding for like five years [01:07:34] I hope to come back on camera Dr. Late 60s. I have not come very well but not to the knowledge of some of you here but my I'm not here to professional capacity on broadcasting my first introduction to here I was in the closet quite horribly that you just hate to be in my generation is plain toxic aboard It was difficult to be a boy on Friday night and playback man podcast well cinema shelves are quite interesting fact. Some people asked me and we're going to get all excited to share and I said you played a few minutes you've actually gone to a shower you don't feel like doing anything. So here we are in the old days so TV production office the studio's tirelessly the production offices of the toy industry, were the main library that was right next door to the international Commons international balcony. And as of heaven the mind is because we can make this and come back in Christmas what some of us had to work the night shift. So I used to work late at night sometimes just in a seam of shorting it's quite hot and when we need to get him away we will leave the urinal was right next to the folks that look straight down into the back of the balcony and squat over there be outside it's not the end of the world to the going on. And somebody saw me having a pee one night because it windows it is dad and half of us down and looking Hello. So we got a minute this last week and we've got a pot of coffee and became a regular currents will be upstairs behind the stage with all the things happening. This time I didn't really strange experience. I've never seen people fix this top and bottom before but I saw him and Kevin say chairman and booking it recently because then we went to a copy of the ambition and had to be able to cake and look under the carpet. And I must have morning came and made it a second. [01:09:40] But anyway, and getting [01:09:41] that confidence up with Cameron we waited to do a telethon in 1976 which men would remember very well because Melchior Levin applied or at least some guy got on the silver What was the name of silver star in Denver going up halfway up the line with the pockets came back about five o'clock Sunday afternoon and I was at the shy building which is now the gods and we put them on stage but that that was a bit sort of was quite funny, but it wasn't as funny as earlier on because I've ministered to Cameron coming on TV. And absolutely he never really appeared on TV or in the media as camera in a formal sense. And I said to him and like that I thought we must put them in context at TV two and one instant TV I began to see that the channels so we have TV one which is running one of the leading and TV TV anything walking and mustard those of us who are a little shell and wanting to producing the news and like some of the advertising we we will live with try to organize this thing called teller telethon which none of us have ever seen a lot of people and we also had open we've been wanting to train yes if we can do better than Okay, so how can we do it? So I said Well, look, we try to think of the name but not in the door we did not know what was going to happen. And all I can say is telephone just took off that night. And between midnight and all we had to do and I said well why don't we have some strippers on Sunday? And as it will what do we get Chairman on she seems to be a bit well known around him as it is an option one we're willing to let's get on with it. So being positively wanting to nearly pick up kind of Angus copy now there's no answer. Certainly and on top of the unknown Neil's cams Hello I haven't seen you for a long while Yeah, man. I want to do me a favor. Would you like to be on top on like having a good cause? Was it Yeah, but I think it was children's something. So you think the charity the charity day? Can you imagine what the cause was? It was really cool. Everyone so now I've got to put it on producing a studio presentation of the whole thing not the oval cover and so I hit this little sheet to help people like best children and your family members good nice nice. Okay, so when he was running around the studio and we have people coming in and going going out the other and some of your telephones over here so what you did is I personal panel you got on the panel without privileges then when you're done yes then you can pick up the backup go down the audience thing it can mean the phones will try and explain that the challenge so she said I'll come along and I said what time you finish thinking more like two o'clock in the morning. Oh I can look at one o'clock of your life. And I said what about some of the girls said we can't really put them on lady or she should know that she's gonna have things to do a test wasn't making dinner she said I said I can't get because it's gonna be embarrassing Leave it to me so anyway we have actually kills it come down about three o'clock because beer modernizations 14 o'clock closing so let's move this place about to be Yeah, so anyway, Cameron said watching this thing hybrid eight o'clock at night and got carried quite away by logic so when he says she'll watch them to text you What do we got to do? So I've got this thing what some people described as theater election was sort of put on the makeup fondling, matching the handbag. And there's divination as well I've had walking in the door because all the hits and when you're watching TV and you like him what he's looking [01:13:44] for this rain Michael a cabin on [01:13:49] here watching [01:13:55] this bill my TV, not in the public eye like she was going into this is just me. Deccan Herald also in the audience, and pushing not many kids, but it's not working up here. And anyway, so we decided the best thing to do is put on the table. So put the cannibalism of in the villages. Why should we let people walk up to a standard region? Would you get [01:14:21] 30 pitches we couldn't get it off the panel. [01:14:26] The best shape of the sort of biggest move but hoping very [01:14:32] much against what we [01:14:34] were going to do now. [01:14:37] Okay, shut up have a cup of coffee at the end of us tuna want to do is make me to be here till three o'clock in the morning. [01:14:44] But there was nothing that you wanted to everybody was glued to this bloody telethon. And he was taking your money on the train. So anyway, that is yours with long. set them up the back of the audience. And they did the number, the open people watching our show, and they decided that this was quite fun. So we went nationwide. So Canada week nationwide. We got this. And then what happened was developing on at three o'clock and I look around I still see kids coming up. [01:15:20] And so what the hell the kids have it here today? o'clock in the morning? It's just a [01:15:27] couple years. [01:15:29] So nobody [01:15:31] sitting on stage naked doing [01:15:48] this one turns out, and [01:15:52] what do you get up, man? What's your name today? [01:15:58] Boom. I know you lost my job. I google this because his famous paper core truth. [01:16:05] published on a Tuesday, I had Monday Oh, thank God, I came in to find it my boss was that agitated? That is it come and see me and I thought God something's gone wrong here. We've done what we've had millions of dollars, this thing and people still talking about children. And this one him and he flew me down a tree and it was on his way not to meet some words about how the hell did you let that go on TV. There's some things a man not a woman [01:16:45] on a show so this is a lot can be competitive stage. So [01:16:50] don't get stuck on a buddy stage in the donkey along [01:16:57] the donkey had backpacks on coming down. [01:17:01] Welcome into the studio. When you produce telethon you have the panel. That is your sex shop women in their chat better that you can only get them to open your mouth and talk. Well, we have seen the scene a third of his dad was at the back of his donkey and white black love you move [01:17:22] places. And we've got the journalist behind the donkey doing this. [01:17:30] And Kevin looking [01:17:33] at this anyway. [01:17:38] That was the first time Cameron was able to go out to every Tom, Dick and Harry and Marian all that money and people would look at him not as a curiosity. But as a person who genuinely cared about teachers at the top and things like that. And 66 which you [01:17:58] can see here, not leaving the sample packet go close up a nice [01:18:05] dinner. But it was a very moving program. But just to care for all the wonderful people in all the support people really i think i think that you might have been up as much as sure but but when an interview ago was a chap called PAUL VAN, so and I was able to perform here in the back of a coffee lounge or do your benefit and whatnot. And we did an interview, she was as humble as ever fascinated by the lights around China tell us at this time in which doesn't really put as much makeup on she had to and we got to send it to you. And you should have seen a cry as it to pay your cycle partners. So we need to interview some some. So we put a camera back. And she looked in the mirror and she took away took out the eyelashes and everything down. And that's what we're going to find him on language and see what she said book on his own. So that programs plus up again, what he would do was then recently has Linda any now talk about and she came back to New Zealand about a year ago it was and those of you who may have seen on his name is Patrick as a titan and Vivian straight outside of La which roughly with evergreen is up in the Rainbow Room square footage. But the most important thing is we took a custom National Archive Elton at symbol, Natalie, she has time nighters here in New Zealand mid mobility. And she did that some years ago, but she didn't. She didn't get paid was in so we gotta pay money to give it to the second. So she she gave it live was to give it to the data that she did. So I sit up here, let's go up to the archive. [01:20:00] This passage is fascinated by the picture of a woman. [01:20:05] And she sat down with the curator. He could not choose everybody so humble and so stand that someone could be everybody and label with the names of the people then she just hope that which were possible, as other parent, see someone I could actually do this for him. So all I'm saying is that as you were talking about the room, I think it is easy to leave something, what they do that they like a thing, day, the thing that would have taken away here play and the like bring the whole Eva. And I could do that. Now the thing I'm working on at the moment. And so as a Christian as a half a completed icon, you've got to trust going up, which is a future that we do have a Facebook page. And we want to preserve that. And I'm just trying to work out now and took a few expensive mind as to how we can get that to National Archive. And it's all that can be added as information against what's already there. So on that note, I made a comment that a lot of laughs and she may be coming out of the closet. But it's been quite an interesting ride. And I think as everybody said she has led the way, my view on a loyal I'd love to have a statue or something outside the architectural college, because I remember her walking up there. And lady. That's Monday was actually I don't know. Anyway, I'll hit on it. And anybody see me later on in [01:21:47] the archives now, Miss yet. [01:21:56] I think we're getting close to about the end of this official engagement for Canada's Memorial. I just like to say a couple more words and I'll never [01:22:07] forget the many times I've enjoyed your venue. I never forget the amount [01:22:11] of time you sit down Lola all the way down to Tori Street to which the warehouse which used to be the old station, two o'clock in the morning. [01:22:22] Cotton the same Lola down there. Oh, I [01:22:24] gotta get them. Okay. [01:22:27] old ladies came baskets on wheels down there two o'clock in the morning and load the way for like three calls. And then to be an hour. When she got back she got along the way me. I'll [01:22:48] never forget the time common when I stood at your balcony, [01:22:50] which was down where the library is now. And the famous Gypsy absolutely gorgeous, the most daring transgender you've ever seen here on comes to common with [01:23:04] cable boys gorgeous, fantastic ladies [01:23:08] out there doing the dance routines and then a couple of rubbing elbows in the front row over the [01:23:15] Gypsy stand [01:23:19] to the side. Gypsy wanted each hand to the balcony was like she created [01:23:35] a lot of fun, a lot of experiences [01:23:36] and a lot of memories to all of us. [01:23:40] Some of us ago spoken about some of the wickedness was the common for all of us here in this room, you will never be forgotten [01:23:47] either. [01:23:50] You are now archives of our minds and our history. Thank you. [01:24:20] Thank you guys for the cultural era music downstairs. [01:24:25] You did a fantastic job. [01:24:38] We appreciate it. [01:24:41] Thank you very, very much. [01:24:44] Nice, casual crazy [01:24:46] music of the era. [01:24:49] Down here. Give me a chance to mingle [01:24:52] thanks

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