Julian Cook - Auckland Pride Festival 2013

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[00:00:00] This program is brought to you by pride in zero.com. [00:00:05] We're in mantova Road and Auckland. And we're at the sort of pseudo pride HQ, which is my home and home office. And this is kind of the sort of marketing and festival hub, where it all sort of comes out of basically. So this time around, what's your role with pride. I'm the pride festival coordinator. So I'm pretty much responsible for everything except for the big parade, which Jonathan Smith is doing, which I'm really grateful for, because he's incredibly organized and incredibly onto it. And it means that that particular event with the exception of perhaps the marketing aspects of it, I don't have to worry about at all which is wonderful. So this pride festival in 2013 this is kind of like the first major kind of pride event with head New Zealand swap hero and legally 2000 years. [00:01:00] I would say probably since 2001, which was the last full scale hero. That was the year that I did the big party at the Oakland Town Hall. And then subsequent to that, there was all of the financial crises. And by 2002, the hero and the feeling around hero had changed completely and it it had become quite dark. I actually ended up during the 2002 party as well in the St. James theatre, and it's often called the dark hero party. And actually it was very dark and very intellectual. And the reason for that was because the artists that I was working with, that was how they were feeling and how they were expressing themselves through their art on that night, and it did wind up being quite and I found it fascinating. I had DJs and stuff coming up to me around some of the shows going, Oh my god, that is the most conceptual crazy show i think i've ever seen at a gay dance party. [00:02:00] I love that. But for some people, it was a bit heavy. [00:02:04] What is the community reaction being to to do something like a pride thing that because I'm in here, I did kind of burn out a wee bit in the 2000s. What kind of response Have you had from the kind of rainbow community it did, and they needed to be a they needed to be space, they needed to be some time for the community to get over hero to figure out what it wanted moving forward and to [00:02:31] get that energy store moving forward and that desire to move forward. And it really has. I mean, there's 60, quite 60 completely different events within the Theater Festival. That's not including season runs and exhibition runs and things like that. So that in itself speaks for the community's real need and desire to express itself and to explore who it is in truth. [00:03:00] 13 [00:03:01] So yeah, I think there is I think that demonstrates the need for it. So are you seriously saying that you've put together 60 events to a large degree. There's, there's those that are out there, that wouldn't be happening anyway, like, obviously, they get it on the gay out. [00:03:19] Heroes out west, these things have the heroic gardens, I'm really sort of happy to have them back within a pride or gay festival for the first time and over a decade, I think they were originally part of hero and then became really distanced from the guy of incentive come back under the umbrella this year for the first time in a long time. So there are those things that are out there already. But then this, when I first was given the position, the very first thing I did was realize how short the timelines were, and went out and started hustling with event organizers and possible promoters and people who do stuff and just [00:04:00] Getting them infused and in some cases, elbowing them into action. [00:04:06] So when were you given the role? When was it? I think it was in October, September, October, which actually when you think about it is not, you know, that's a little long time ago. Yeah. So that was the very first thing I did was starting engage with people before I got into any of the paperwork aspects or the administrative side of things. The first thing I wanted to ensure was that we had a program and we do in quite a extensive program. I mean, it goes for about two and a half weeks, two weeks, three weekends. Yeah, yeah. So 60 different individual events. within that time. It's there's a lot on and the interesting thing for me about doing a large pride style festival is that you don't just focus on music, you don't just focus on art, you've it's really broad. So you've got everything from sporting events to lifestyle events, like the gardens [00:05:00] Or the dog event that Stephen Oates is doing and right through to sexuality style events, and big outdoor film nights, and it's the variety is mammoth. And that's what I personally really enjoy about it is actually being able to engage that diversity and make it tangible. Were you involved in any way in picking the theme of the pride Festival this year, which was I think, was one community and that's the theme for the parade. Right? And basically, it's quite interesting. That was Jonathan's that was his, his working and his doing. [00:05:40] And I have to say, I had to I came in and said, Okay, great. Like there's a theme for the parade. It works really, really well because actually, what the parade is about is taking the different strands of all the different communities and tying them together into one big right perfect goes down Ponsonby road. So in many ways, one [00:06:00] community does express what it sort of physically does. The festival is the exact opposite of that. The festival is about picking apart the strengths, and actually exploring all of the real differences. within all of the different communities that make up the rainbow community. There are a few events within the festival in which is there's a coming together, for example, the yorkin pride gala, or the big closing proud party. Those are again events where you want the communities to come together. And but for the most part, the festival is actually about exploring differences. How easy or hard was it finding participants for the festival? I'm not that hard, really. I mean, I've Like I said, I think there was a real a real desire and a real need to for the community to express itself and to have a platform to do that from also I've been doing this for a long, long time. [00:07:00] I've got a lot of [00:07:02] a lot of connections with an event organizers and artists and producers within the queer communities. And also in LA a lot of these are some of my best friends. So, for me engaging with them is actually a very easy process. Have you found that many people will actually practically come to you and saying we want to be part of this? Or have you been having to kind of hunt people down? A bit of both? Yeah, no, but a bit of both. [00:07:30] The interesting one for me, as sort of my key learning in that area this year would have to be youth. And the realization that young people, there's been a whole generation of not to who haven't had the opportunity to engage in a pride festival or a gay festival of this nature. And so for them, it's a steeper learning curve about how they go about engaging and hopefully, you know, they've they've [00:08:00] picked up some skills this year, and that will increase next year and and the year after. I mean, for example, I just had emails from a young lesbian woman, just last week asking if she could get into the program. And it's like, well, you're a month and a half too late. So you try to engage them in other ways. But it's just even knowing how a festival works and the timelines involved and how you go about engaging and what's required and organizing your own event. Well, these are all skills that they will hopefully be learning and picking up this year. What has it been like trying to get established events that have been going on for years and like a big gala or others into the festival, and it's, sometimes it's really easy, sometimes it's really challenging. [00:08:51] And it takes a while. I mean, this is the first year of the gay festival coming back. And so you're faced with a lot of sort of first [00:09:00] festival Christians? Sort of Okay, is this something that I want to engage with? Is it going to be of a quality that I'm happy to engage with? is will it allow me the autonomy to still have my own event within that? [00:09:18] And hopefully the answer to all those questions is yes. [00:09:22] But you know, sometimes you will also come up against [00:09:26] I think sometimes the the New Zealand gay community can be [00:09:32] very insular and very sort of internally focused and focused on because it's made up of so many niche communities. Sometimes they focus so much on their own small group, that it's hard to get them to see the big picture. And so you are occasionally faced with [00:09:52] Well, I mean, sometimes you just and this is true of other cities around New Zealand as well. You're actually faced with small minded small town. [00:10:00] who run aspects of their community and who really aren't prepared to share that or to engage with other aspects of the broader community. And dealing with them, it's actually really, really difficult. And they've, a lot of them have been around for a long time and they've become really, [00:10:23] they've become really sort of stuck in their mindset. And it's really challenging them, it's really challenging for them to actually have to step back and go, okay, by engaging with this, I can actually help a broader community, I can bring what I do into a broader sort of, I can widen it. [00:10:43] And I can, I can make the community stronger as a whole. And it's not always easy getting them to see that [00:10:51] a lot of them are stuck in their ways. And so that is, for me, that's a really really, really challenging aspect of it and [00:11:00] I think it's worth putting that challenge out there. And just saying, Okay, you guys who've been around for a while, sometimes you actually have to take your heads out of the sand and actually look around a little bit and go, Okay, what I do is really great for my part of the community. But I can also use that strength and use that use that use what I've developed over time to help abroad the broader community and to show that we, you know, that we can all work together. And so that's a challenge that I'm quite happy to put out there. I guess one of the issues for a person that had has run a successful event over many years and then coming into pride would be there, you know, is probably going to be around next year. Is it sustainable? Yeah. Well, it's it's a good question. [00:11:51] A lot of it depends on on council support and council funding and that the council is prepared to acknowledge that we are [00:12:00] A large we are significant community within the within the mainstream community, and that we deserve to have our own festival and to have that supported by our civic leaders. And it seems that they are finally realizing this. And I do hope that continues. I think that for an inaugural festival, we've proven that there is a real need and a real desire for this community, to engage with itself, but also to provide color and fun and vibrancy and quality and cultural, cultural realness to the broader community, that community can participate in experience as well. So [00:12:47] is it sustainable? Well, hopefully, we'll see. I mean, I'm certainly not I wouldn't have engaged in this if I thought it was a shot in the dark once off. I'm really not interested in that. I'm interested in particularly this year, creating [00:13:00] a template that can be used as that will help to future pride festival organizers to do what I'm doing this year. I think that's really important. I mean, I've had to create everything from scratch this year. And that makes the job really, really, really hard. So if I leave anything as a result of this year's festival, I hope that is some templates and some systems and some sort of process that will help future pride festival organizers. Are you aware of kind of up and coming organized retired people that do this kind of thing? [00:13:42] Yes, and knows the answer that question. [00:13:45] I've worked with a lot of a lot of young gay and lesbian people who have an interest and organizing events over the years. The sad reality for me around that is that the very best of them have left New Zealand and for [00:14:00] Part of living in Australia now And so [00:14:08] yeah, it's it's a that's a big That's a big question is okay [00:14:14] I need to create a system whereby I can actually engage young people [00:14:21] in a formal way to train them to get them experienced in putting this kind of event together so that when I am well and truly rinsed out and exhausted, [00:14:33] which shouldn't take too long [00:14:36] that they can take take that over and run with it and I will always be there to support them but it's really really important that that those those people are coming through and and challenging me for the role and [00:14:52] maybe perhaps making the up my game a little bit. pushing me a little bit further would be really really, really cool. But yeah, [00:15:00] There is a vacuum there at the moment. And it's a vacuum that I'm particularly keen to see filled. [00:15:08] Can we just go through [00:15:11] some of the events now in the in the in the preface all because I mean, there's so many things happening. And I'm guessing the first thing would be the gamma. The first thing is the gala. [00:15:22] And I've been working with Verity George and Lisa Prager on this event. They were actually the producers of the first hero gala many, many years ago at Sky city, which they did a fantastic job of. So I thought, Okay, well, let's bring in some old hands the first year back, so I think they would be an excellent choice to work with. And this particular event is also the interesting thing for me is that it's hosted by Sam Johnson, who's an absolutely remarkable young man. He was the leader of the Christchurch student, volunteer army. He's the current young New Zealander of the year and he's an active [00:16:00] Proud young gay man and I'm really honored to have him opening the festival. [00:16:07] Just nice to put a very youthful face out front and face of the future I think in the gallery itself as a smorgasbord of stuff we can expect in the future. It's a really good description it says it's the best of the fittest. Absolutely. It's, it's a tasting and a sampling of all of the best stuff. So yeah, it's called event and the kind of ratio between like a staple of shakes and maybe some newer performance. What was that one because you've got my maker here from yesterday, so Nico will be doing the big Maria evening. This is very much a Kumar to a status these days and he will [00:16:42] smack me in the head for saying that. [00:16:46] But he'll do the big opening and then the mayor hopefully will be doing his official opening of the festival as well. And then it goes into a broad range of acts everything from the sort of really established and select from overseas as well from Australia. [00:17:00] right through to the more more community style things, segments that represent the parade, which involve people that aren't necessarily used to being on a stage. But Lisa and Verity are really, really good at [00:17:15] directing and organizing these these, these smaller pieces within the smorgasbord. And yeah, so it's it's a, it's right across the board. Really? What about some of the theater works that I haven't? Well, for me, one of the ones that's most exciting is black fagot, [00:17:34] which is Victor Rogers piece. And [00:17:38] I first heard about this, I thought, God, God, this has to be in the festival. It's really, really exciting. He started writing this piece, way back when Disney church was doing the enough is enough matches. And he started writing a series of monologues as a response to that. And then when the marriage equality bill came up, it was kind of an impetus for him to finish the piece off and [00:18:00] So it kind of it's a series of monologues that spans that kind of decade, but particularly focused as a response to the Pacific Island church and the Pacific Island community and how they deal with with gay and queer queer issues, which is often really fraught. So it's a very hard hitting piece, and I think it's a very culturally important piece. Very and I'm really proud to have it within the festival. Another performance in here is polyfill a [00:18:32] year or so ago, which is a really fantastic show. Well, Polly's [00:18:38] Polly's one of our most interesting drag performers she obviously a Wellington and New Zealand icon and then she's traveled over to Australia and she's become quite established and Melbourne in particular. And the interesting thing with Polly is how that she can she extend to drag outside of the sort of the norm of lip synching [00:19:00] Well nightclubs shows and she's able to do fully fledged cabaret shows and fully fledged theater shows and really take her art form to another level. And I've always sort of relished working with her and that from that perspective, so really, really, really happy to have Polly in the festival [00:19:21] there's a whole range of venues that these things run it and that's quite nice. It's kind of people right way around the kind of Central Auckland area. Yeah, there's actually a map at the back of the program that shows you how far the festival travels and travels everywhere from that's obviously Well, it centers a lot on Ponsonby and on k road, which is I think a natural place for [00:19:45] the quick communities to center on but then it spreads right the way out to Henderson out west. out into mount Elbert and then all the way sort of out into the whole Jackie Gulf and over to Waikiki Island. So [00:20:01] The it just kind of shows you that gay people are everywhere and that they're, they want to engage and express themselves in their own local areas. And for me, that's fantastic. It really speaks volumes about the strength of our communities within Oakland. So was that a conscious decision to have been using very diverse areas, rather than kind of trying to pull it all together, it kind of just kind of worked out that way. That's the natural way that it happened. But for me, it's a real bonus. Because, [00:20:32] you know, out west Henderson, sometimes those places they have a bit of a reputation has been, you know, one of the more unique areas of Auckland and it's just not the case. It's there is embracing of parts of our community out there as we are in the inner city. And will come is very much a cosmopolitan place these days. So it's a reflection of that really. [00:20:54] One of the other things that strikes me just looking through the program is that the ticket prices are actually quite low. [00:21:00] Reasonable when it comes to like, if you're going to a mainstream theater production, you're talking maybe 35 $40. And we're here we're looking at about 20 $25. It's I think it's sensible and important in this day and age. I think that the reality of the economy at the moment is that people are financially stretched. And [00:21:20] we want to make it as easy as possible for them to engage in the festival. So yeah, that's an important aspect of it. The other thing is, out of those 60 different events within the festival 20 of them are free. [00:21:34] And I think that that's a really interesting statistic as well, not some of the Freeman's Gosh, everything from the big guy out through to a range of art exhibitions. And this movie nights Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. It's been done in silo cinema down in the winter quarter. There's a whole range of lesbian walks and Gosh, this [00:21:59] dog shows [00:22:00] is a huge range of stuff that that's free and that people can engage in at no cost. What is the doctrine because you mentioned that a couple of times Yeah, that's something that Stephen nights and I started talking about and working on I'm, I'm a bit of a cat freak myself. So the dog things a bit sort of alien to me. But Stephen is, as his his, I mean, his dog Ruby is that sort of surrogate partner in his life. And so he's really big on on dogs and wanted to do something in that way. So we developed that and we got a sponsor on board for it. And it's looking like it'll be a really real it's actually on the last day of the festival and it's looking like it's a hell of a fun way to finish things up very camp. What has it been like trying to get sponsorship for for the various events. It's the most difficult aspect of festival production at this stage, just in this particular year. The as I said, the economy is [00:23:00] tight and that's tight for companies in terms of their ability to invest in sponsorship and in partnerships and engaging with communities in ways that are a little bit, you know, less tangible. So, yeah, it's been difficult but with you know, with we've got some really staunch supporters out there who have come on board companies like all con 28, black, the New Energy Drink have been absolutely fantastic and they support and have put their hands into their pockets to support our community. And that's been that's been really amazing. highlights in the cabaret performance. Do you have any highlights that you want to and what's always a highlight working with Mika, he's got sell on Mika at switch bar which is Wayne Clark's new venue on cutting happy road. And that's the sort of typical, a typical maker Milan of 16 [00:24:01] Then there's also gobsmacked which is coming over from Australia. That's Jamie Burgess who's an expat Kiwi who's moved to Australia and his cabaret partner Nikki can and they bringing this show back to back to New Zealand so really happy to have that. Within the festival. There's also one night only which is buckwheat and testicle, which is actually a piece that I developed with them about maybe 12 to 18 months ago and we did it as part of late at the Oakland Museum. And it's a behind the scenes kind of wigs off kind of exploration of their particular Pacific and moldy House of Dragon Auckland which has been a very iconic cast of Dragon Oakland. It's included everybody from the great birther to the late great Bestop and Ben be slept [00:24:57] and it's been really a hot [00:25:00] of Dragon Auckland for you know 20 years and so it's a look back a candid look back at how how that came about and and what that entails. So it's a really interesting piece and just a short jump from kabri to music. [00:25:17] selection of musical performance is going on. Tell me about some of them. Gosh, well it's great to have gals in the mix. They're performing at the Auckland Art Gallery. The Gay and Lesbian singers and they're actually celebrating a celebrating a big birthday of the gallery itself so that's quite cool and it's free as well. So yes, that's free. Here is out west it's lovely to have sissy and the ladies involved in the festival. Marie Sheehan is back on the scene and releasing a new album great to have her the Johnny's doing two gigs and they also performing at here is that with their a all girl all Johnny Cash grip from Nelson so [00:26:01] That's kind of quirky and really, really, really cold. So really into having them and then one piece that I helped develop quite early on with Samuel Holloway is after Lilburn, which is an exploration of New Zealand classical composers, right the way from Douglas little boy lowborn. right the way through jack body, Gareth far, and Samuel Holloway himself and then into an even younger generation insanely well. So it's a bit of a timeline of gay composers. [00:26:35] From Douglas little bit crucial today, and I think it might I think it's probably the only the first time that that has been explored phonetically. And I think it's important that it is I think that's a really important piece within the festival. It's an important acknowledgement of the impact that gay composers have had on New Zealand music. [00:26:57] I'm just wondering how you get your [00:27:00] Here around organizing all of these different types of events, you know, going from music to theater to cabaret, they all got very specific needs and wants, how do you do it? And I kind of do it naturally, I, [00:27:15] I guess I have a broad range of interest. And [00:27:21] like I said, I really liked the diversity. I think that that I think that the diversity is what makes our community really interesting rather than homogenization. So, for me being able to shed light on the really different nations and nooks and crannies of our communities. That's the joy for me. [00:27:44] Really looking forward to some of these group exhibitions, visual exhibitions you've got here. Yeah, that's one of the that's a programming aspect that I'm quite proud of, because I've managed to pull those exhibitions all into one particular area down there. [00:28:00] Crying a happy road end of constantly road. And so there's I think four exhibitions and, and one large projection installation. And they're all within walking distance of each other. So people who have an interest in visual arts can actually get around and spend an afternoon or a morning exploring all these different exhibitions without having to get into the car and go anywhere, which I think is a real positive. [00:28:27] When you were approaching these artists, what was the response in terms of being part of pride festival? [00:28:33] Well, some of some of these ones have come to me and others I've approached [00:28:38] generally just really positive really happy to be involved and really eager to have been approached and that somebody is actually offering them a format that they can plug into. [00:28:51] Because you know, you often you need to accept the artists and often event organizers that the it's a very rare [00:29:00] artist who is really good at the production management side of things as well. So to provide them with a platform and with been in the exhibitions case of space that they can work within, they're only too happy to get stuck in and, and express themselves. [00:29:20] You also have [00:29:23] quite a number of events in the kind of dialogue and debate area. Tell me about some of those. Well, a couple of them are the New Zealand Society of authors coming forward with a couple of events, exploring gay and lesbian writers, and one which is a debate in which they're exploring the relevance of [00:29:46] relevance of All Blacks as New Zealand cultural icons to our communities and specific so that's no doubt going to be an interesting one. On the debate front, there's also the great orcam pride debate which [00:30:00] Stephen lights and Paul rose have put together and that is putting the two sort of [00:30:07] grand dame's of I shouldn't say that, that a bit young for that. [00:30:13] Maybe on phone to repla of New Zealand politics together, just Nicki K and just Syndra doing her both representatives for Auckland City and they both sort of do battle on election front, putting them together to debate queer issues in a fun way [00:30:30] with their own panels as well. So that that'll be an interesting event. And one that's just caught my eyes, the lesbian heritage whole bunch Art Museum. Yes, it's something that Miriam sefirot came forward with, and it's something that she has done previously as part of the all conspirators festival. So she was only too happy to bring that into a sort of pride context. So that'll be Yeah, that's a really, really cool and unique event as well. And then moving on to sport and recreation and there are a number of things that are kind of [00:31:00] Talking about to me so about some of those. At one stage I didn't put a call out saying it would be nice if we had some gay men who wanted to engage in some sporting events good fit all women at the moment that we've ended up with a variety that incorporates women's softball, a tennis tournament. [00:31:18] There's open cycle pride is something that I've developed with water matter board member, Christopher Dempsey. And that is a very sort of positive healthy cycling parade in a way that will travel on the day of the big guy out from the Oakland Museum and along Ponsonby road and Jim boys road and all the way up to coil pack and wind up at the big guy out. So that's a really cool event and one that I hope will grow over time. And then there's also the theory flotilla, which is a group of gay and lesbian bowties who are getting together to fail Well, the stir them gay cruise that's departing from [00:32:00] departing from down and Prince's Wharf on the 20th of February as it hits off to Mardi Gras. So they're actually going to go out on this and all of their boats and farewell them and then meet up for a bit of a bit of a party around the corner. So that's a really cool event to speaking of parties are one of your big things is organizing the last dance party. And how's that going? Amazingly, that it's something that personally excites me because I've you know, I've got a bit of a history with regards to producing sort of epic gay dance buddies, I guess. And this one is certainly poised to be epic as well. It's the interesting thing with this one is the venue, which is the the beautiful and historic Victoria Park market and the courtyard has just been fully renovated. So it's looking absolutely stunning. Now as part of those renovations peckin company have created two large bars sort of at the top end of the markets, like zipper, which is a big New York loft style. [00:33:00] bar with a huge dick off the back of it sort of comes out over the courtyard. And then there's libertine, which is a really, really, gosh, beautiful and quirky and alternative space. And they just they have, they've spent a lot of money on these spaces. They're absolutely stunning. So being able to combine those with the big Victoria Park courtyard through internal staircases, for the first time, is like a new opportunity I was not going to break away from the other thing that Victoria Park has come forward with is because it's still being renovated. There's a whole floor of the building in there that is kind of gutted, and it's all sort of concrete and rough and roar like a bunker with pillars everywhere. It's huge. And let's see that I can use that as well. So that's going to put a big, hard, fast and heavy dance floor in there. And that will be sort of going back to the sort of early kind of really rough gurashi rave type. [00:34:00] Feeling. So it's great to be able to bring something like that into the party as well as well as the kind of sort of high end glamour that's going on in the, let's say, upper libertine bars. And then you've got the courtyard with the huge chimney which is going to be lit up in rainbow colors and a large stage at the bottom of it with community performances by everybody from testicle and the South Auckland vogon. girls who are amazing through to Christopher college, who was a semifinalist in New Zealand's Got Talent this year. And the amazing Miss floss who from queerly sc, who is a fantastic performer and all of her [00:34:41] sort of revenue of girly burlesque artists. That's the big girlie show that one that'll be really cool. [00:34:47] So, we're like a week in and out from when pride starts. Listen, there we are. We're about six days away from the gala right now. [00:34:58] So if this interview is a little incoherent [00:35:00] Y'all just apologize. How are you feeling? [00:35:05] mentally, okay, physically a little bit exhausted. Getting the sort of physical reality of getting 30,000 programs out around the city and around the country [00:35:17] is an exhausting actuality. But we've done it and [00:35:24] you know, so you're trying to do that you're trying to market the other shows you're trying to deal with the huge sort of online need for marketing these days. [00:35:34] And all of the other sort of requirements and requests so it's physically quite exhausting that we're getting we're getting there. [00:35:42] For you, how do you judge whether the sister was a success or not? Hmm. [00:35:51] Keep asking that after the fiscal [00:35:56] I guess to a degree for me [00:36:00] Already is and and in the way that people have engaged with it. And just in getting that program onto the streets and looking at the diversity that's within it, and the quality that's within it. [00:36:13] Yeah, that mean that is a an early sign of the festival success. Obviously the other side will be how many people actually engage and actively participate through the festival. While it's on that we won't know that until afterwards. The parade is one of the most interesting aspects of it in terms of the numbers that actually show up for that and and how it goes. So [00:36:39] we'll have to wait and see. Why do you think things like pride are important? And I just think that it's, you know, we're a grown up community now and we deserve a sort of grown up festival that reflects and explores who we are like any other part of the community does and I think that pride is [00:37:01] is a way of doing that. And, you know, there's also this all the important aspects around [00:37:08] dealing with issues around the around homophobia around sort of youth suicide and [00:37:16] helping young people with self esteem around the gay and lesbian ness. [00:37:23] I think that those issues remain and they really, really important to address. It's a really good way for organizations like the New Zealand AIDS Foundation to [00:37:34] engage with the community off the back of these kinds of things as well. And if we, if we all work together and [00:37:41] you know, examples are the fact that you know, the end today if it's been really successful with the get it on big guy out for, I think 14 years now. And so to bring that and under the umbrella to bring her out gardens and under the umbrella to bring new zealand beer week under the umbrella. By working together we actually create [00:38:00] A stronger and more cohesive and more healthy community for everybody.

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