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[00:00:00] This recording was made at the second the Asia Pacific Outgames human rights conference held in Wellington, New Zealand in March 2011. [00:00:09] Killer our coo and co worker green connected Dinah Tucker happen, which is in the Waikato. I'm here because I was invited through the Human Rights Commission. And it was to ensure that there was a foreigner Hawa or disability perspective, so group of us decided that the GL BTR community needed to also understand that it's not just about sexual identity it's also about other identities and disabled don't generally get included. So we decided it was time to start presenting our ideas and who we are in sort of let people know a little bit more about the fact that we are here that even though they don't see us we exist and we are in bigger number than many realize. [00:00:54] So what were some of the ideas you've presented at the conference? [00:00:57] Well, yesterday that was more around access to to access to health and well being and it was what also ran transgendered identity. So I was the token real female, I guess the man who pants if it's if there's any such thing as a real thing these days, but I was in the others were identifying from their own sexual identity, but it was around the access to being able to access health what they need in regardless of our identity, and we were all at the same conclusion that discriminated existed, discrimination existed based on the fact that disabilities meet were often discriminated so our sexuality regardless of what that was, would be a discriminate or effect a new one would be medicalized it pathology existed and if you were transgendered, it existed twice over. So once you were identified as disabled, the interviewer transgendered and disable that was another two part discrimination so you know, you had all those issues, and then the issues around sexuality were huge as well. And how the medical for Tuesday want to medicalized sexualities, so, you know, when does it stop? It was with your gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, intersex meet that, you know, and and to have a disability on top of that you were so used to medicalization that it becomes a part and parcel of your life. And yet we were talking about the pathology, which is probably time to now start challenging for that. [00:02:25] And how did the delegates respond to that? [00:02:27] Very well, it was a very lively debate. And I think the discussion really came out with cushioning. I know that Philip pet, some will probably have had his own discussion on that, but he has a concept of being uniquely different or uniquely diverse and being uniquely functioning in our own bodies. And the fact that to be common as so well as the old to normal was so uncommon, and that we are uniquely and every single secret tomb, so no two people are alike. So you know, even if you don't have a disability, they still going something about your identity standing out as being unique, and that we need to celebrate that not so much our diversity that should be a given. But our our uniqueness as a part of it, pay them and we need to make room and accommodations for some uniqueness we accommodation is not easy, around disability around trains identity. If it is that you want to have your meetings above stairs, you've got to make sure there's a Lyft available. If it is that it's a forum for woman mainly, and a trans female to male was forming to come along then they should have their accommodation May, instead of creating the barriers, we should open the doors. [00:03:39] It's interesting, one of the comments are in the Philip making was that in the space of five minutes, he can go from able to to disabled, depending on the environment. [00:03:48] Absolutely. I mean, you know, I can be in one minute, I can be in a courtroom completely and utterly in an environment of complete, complete Exodus, and then I might just go down into the district court, I can't access toilets. So all of a sudden, I've become a disabled citizen, not one of the lawyers, you know, I'm trying to do my job. And it's, you know, we can be in one place, even here, you know, I can be here, but there's no obvious signs about where the axes will lose out or where you can go, Texas Lyft to get to the different levels. It's, it's, you can go into an environment but at least that accommodates your diverse needs, such as sign language at the conference. I mean, with there's a big diff community that identifies govt, ti, and then are here in the silence. And I mean that that's putting that term silence because that community does not have any sign language interpreters here. So why would they come? So we don't, we can't help it. Even in our own quest for inclusion we exclude, and we do it no matter who we are. For Molly, we often do it if we're, if we're Packers, we often do it. If we are woman, we do it for me, and we do it. If we're disabled, we do it non disabled with whatever it is, we tend to exclude somebody, and how do we bring about a fully inclusive society? And we've really got to start looking at that how we make spaces fully inclusive for everyone and not for some. [00:05:14] It's interesting in passing right at the start, you mentioned token, is it something that you feel that you're your token? [00:05:22] Oh, yeah, I mean, you know, it was a joke, because I was the only woman on that panel that was obviously female. And probably because one of the other speakers couldn't make it. And her name was Allison, and she would have been fantastic as a trans female with a disability, she would have been fantastic speaker. But that's the difficulty sometimes is how do we stop the tokenism? I mean, I notice up in their lives being stories, it's wonderful having them they but we have a disabled lyst been speaking as it is a noisy is a kiwi or Jewish American Kiwi leaves me and there's a moldy, but there's no aborigine there's no disabled. And, you know, it just strikes me that we still inadvertently exclude and we died. I know we only have a certain amount of time. But we also need to talk about how we bring all the community together, not just some. [00:06:12] I'm just wondering how many disabled people are actually participating in the conference, and have there been things that they could have possibly done better to actually be a more inclusive? [00:06:24] Well, there's only two wheelies, I noticed is one on sticks. Others will have a head and then payment, which was mental health, they're not always going to be out. So we're minority within a minority within a minority. So I mean, more could attend. If maybe it was made more available. It's very difficult for disabled to travel. Because public transport isn't always the best taxis. If you've got to come by ear, or by train, or whatever way, you've got to hit the fans. And so financial is huge, because if you're living on the IB, or the invalid benefit, then us financially him and it could be scholarships know possibly as a way forward for different groups that are particularly marginalized. I don't see a lot of youth here, very young, you know, and that community is huge. And you know, I'm not seeing a big deal of them here. I'm seeing a lot of older people, but maybe I'm at the wrong conference, because you know, we got to see some of the youth corridor, because they think differently, and it would have been really good to see some of the youth on the panels, because I think we would have gotten an entirely different perspective. Whereas I'm getting old, in, you know, the young ones, like my son, who's a young man has a different perspective to what I have, he's more inclusive on things, his friends, he doesn't give a shit, what race they are, what they are able, able nurses what the sexual orientation is, he cares about the friendships and who they are as a person. That's the kind of thinking we need to be learning from. And maybe we [00:07:51] need to [00:07:52] focus a little more, I mean, often we were to youth oriented. We do have, you know, elders now that fight for the rights, we're the youth, we've got a balance, and we haven't found that balance you. [00:08:05] So what do you want to take away from this conference? [00:08:09] Well, [00:08:11] it's a hard one, I come in as a minority, I'd like to take away that people are listening, like to take away that people are going to learn and I'm kind of hoping that if I managed to make it to another one, that I will go, I will come along, and I won't need to be the token, or I won't need to participate other than to be the to participate, that maybe I can come along as a spectator rather than with a speaker. Or, you know, and it's fully accessible without it being an issue. [00:08:39] It's very interesting. I think one of the things in your session was about, it's very easy to label your organization, or what you're doing LGBT II, without actually practicing it. [00:08:52] Yeah. I mean, it is easy. I mean, do we really turn around and embrace our brothers and sisters, I try. I've got a lot of friends from sexual orientations, genders, identities, and I try and embrace it myself my own life, because it can only live by example. But if all of us did that, we probably have a better example in life. But we don't all do it. Because sometimes we get afraid that older might out us. So you know, let's not get too close. I don't give a shit. You know, and I think it's about time people realize that. And the same way that people, some people here Actually, I've noticed, I'm as invisible here as I am out in the street. And that's incredible. Some people don't really see you until they're right on top of you. And you're almost reeling in that's because they don't want to see you because sometimes within disability, there's something that frightens them about you. It's not me, it's what's within themselves. And they don't like to face up to that fact that they might be something near that they need to address. And so I'd like them to stop keeping us invisible, make us alive, make us the and present us as a people that they can call us friends rather than more than seeing us as an irritant, or a skin rash. Really. Hmm. [00:10:09] Now, looking at his 30 years, if somebody is listening to this in 30 years time, what would you like to say to them? [00:10:15] Well, I'd like to say I hope that it's making you laugh and go My God, those old people, they were really, it was back that, you know, I would like because I came out of well over on. Well, I'm old now. But I mean, I came out well I see 50 odd years ago. So I guess I'd be looking back to forwards back then it wasn't hiding. We will get right we get beaten. You know, we were too scared. And sometimes even though even if we were brave enough to come out, we would receive the beatings, you know, and that because we would want to be who we are. And you'd have to pass as a straight person, whether you win or get married. I'm hoping in 30 years time at my grandchildren if my son will bother to get me some. You know, I only asked for that I don't care that he's gay, but I want grandchildren. Okay. My grandchildren, if any of them are gay or transgender or transitioning, [00:11:05] they can turn around say thanks, name. [00:11:08] At least you are brave enough to say that it was okay. [00:11:10] And at least you're brave enough to say that I'm okay for who I am and that you accepted me and that have passed by the which I probably have that they can look back and have a laugh. Because there's a lot about the memories of the people that means something to them. And you know, I'm hoping that it's antiquated by the time they get there, that they have moved forward. I'd be said that if they are listening to this and going My god, it's still happening. I'd really be sad to hear that because that tells me that we're not that when we're too apathetic in this community. [00:11:43] So move it, shake it in China. [00:11:47] That's simple.
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