Hesti Armiwulan

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[00:00:00] This recording was made at the second Asia Pacific Outgames human rights conference held in Wellington, New Zealand in March 2011. [00:00:09] I working with Indonesian National Commission on Human Rights, I am one of Commissioner in my institution, and in I have responsible to take education and awareness of human rights. So one of our concern about issue of human rights in Indonesia is LGBT rights. So in my program in this year, I would like to implement and come campaign human rights, particularly for LGBT rights and implement the chip Jakarta principle in Indonesia. [00:01:00] What are the states of LGBT rights in Indonesia at the moment? [00:01:05] Actually, in Indonesia, we have a number of organization dealing with the issue of LGBT. But we still find difficulties because we have culture and religion fairy fairy streak. So we still still struggle to get to a to have a not really a knowledge of what human rights for the LGBT [00:01:39] is the much discrimination that goes on in Indonesia. [00:01:43] Yeah, I think yes. Because a majority in Indonesia is a Muslim. They are have a conservative value. They didn't recognize the push existence, existences of LGBT people. So this is a Vi Vi, vi, vi still found discrimination, stigmatization, and also violence for them for In fact, my institution receive complain for the community of LGBT couple number of the campaign for them. [00:02:29] Can you expand on what those complaints were? [00:02:33] Yeah. [00:02:37] For sure, first, complain about local local regulation, because in Indonesia, we have more than 400 local government, they have obligation and they have duty to they have my that to create their regulation, a local regulation, sometimes the regulation stipulated about the discrimination based on the gender identity and sexual orientation. So they complain about the regulation to calmness, and then we also have received complain, they, sometimes they they form like, attack attack from the police officer. Attack for the society. Attack for the for from from the apparatus or apparatus. Officer. So many, many. Yeah, I think a number of the discrimination and violation, the decoded and also we will receive complaint from the domestic domestic area. Lesbian. God. vape. from the, from the from the family. The which mean, I don't know, by their parents to do. Yeah. From from the another case. And then, about the rap. So many, many, many, many cases in Indonesia. [00:04:33] Do you receive many complaints at the institution from lesbian and gay and transgender people? [00:04:37] Yes, yes. So personal and from the institution, they got they bring their cases to my institution. So Indonesian National Commission of human rights we have we have one that to investigate you human rights violation and Indonesia. So Yep. Yeah, as well as human rights violation piece on the gender identity and sexual orientation. [00:05:14] And what can your institution do if someone is found guilty of discovering discrimination or committing a crime? What What can you do? [00:05:24] Yeah, in my country, issue of the LGBT, still a sensitive issue in Indonesia. So we do something with L follows you're not a process, one by one step by step, but make sure that the they will, someday they will get their rights. So the first my institution, coordinator, training course, training course for, for the LGBT member, LGBT community, how to aware their rights, because I know that some of them are not educated. So we should have program to give human dedication for them. The second one, we conduct training costs for the government officer, because many times they don't know about human rights for the all people as well as LGBT person. And this, the third one, we conduct also a training course for the law enforcement officer. So this is the first step from Nigeria for my institution. The second second step, maybe we will, we will campaign, we will campaign to community about the rights, we will produce, like leave flat book Handbook, to understanding about the existence of LGBT. [00:07:18] Is there any opposition to your institution campaigning for gay and lesbian rights in Indonesia? [00:07:27] Yeah, of course. [00:07:30] We have a we have a mandate for that. So bad. Yeah. One problem may be the problem of my institution, we have a limited budget. In one hand, we have limited budget. And another hand scope of Indonesia is to do lots, we have 230 million popular in Indonesia is too is too big. So we have a limited budget. limited resource. So we would like to have Yeah, network and funding from another station. [00:08:18] From from this conference, what are the main things that you will take away? [00:08:24] Yeah, this is a I [00:08:29] got some listen, learn from this conference. And my challenge challenges, how to how to promote LGBT rights in my country. So I got it in this conference. And I, I saw this power four of the of the, of the movement, movement of LGBT in many region. So I think this is important to make people in Indonesia understand about this effect dollar fact in in in the region [00:09:17] was through a strong support network for this being gay and transgender people in Indonesia. [00:09:22] Yeah, I have a network, yet good relation, and good network with organization, dealing with the issue of LGBT in Indonesia, in the national level, also in the regional and local level. [00:09:42] Has anything that being said at this conference that's really challenged some of your thoughts and ideas? [00:09:50] Yeah, because I already mentioned that I one of the commissioner have, have a duty to educate and how to make people awareness about human rights for all as well as to LGBT. So the conference give me Yeah, gentlemen, for me to do making my idea to be reality. [00:10:25] If someone was listening to this tape and 50 years time, what would you say to them? [00:10:33] Yeah, I think, as a human being, we should nurse, promote, and protect and fulfill human rights for all without discrimination, as well as discrimination based on gender identity and sexual invitation.

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